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steelbtexan said:
LOL

Nope, but there has to be a reason teams like the Pats do business one way and teams like the Texans do business another. You would think BOB would've seen how BB operates and tried to get Gaine to operate in the same manner.
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I am very encouraged from what I have seen from Gaine.... based primarily on last off-season, I thought he did a lot with very little. In addition to a strong draft (considering the picks he had to work with), I thought his work in the free agent market was aggressive and prudent (financially responsible). Despite the fact that some of those moves didn't work out, at least they demonstrated that he recognizes the team's weaknesses and will actively work to improve them... With a full slate of draft picks and a ton of room under the salary cap, I am excited to see what he does the next two months.
 
JB said:
I always thought he was a below par swing tackle that played a bit above his draft status once he got in a scheme that suited him in his contract year
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Even hurt I thought he was better than Winston in pass pro. Nowhere near the run blocker, but the better all around tackle imo.
 
thunderkyss said:
Even hurt I thought he was better than Winston in pass pro. Nowhere near the run blocker, but the better all around tackle imo.
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I don't know what you were seeing, Winston was actually quite good for his first two or three years in the league. Newton sucked expect for his contract year.

Shockingly
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm saying the GM/HC have to be on the same page if the team is going to be successful. This hasn't happened in the past and that's why the Texans are where they are today.
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Couldn't 90% of NFL teams make the same excuse? With all of those high draft picks, HCs and GMs, don't you think at some point, the Dolphins, Lions and Browns would have some period of "alignment" and success? You cannot be more aligned than Jason Garret and the Cowboys front office. what have they won? What about Marvin Lewis and the Bengals?

When Marty Shottenheimer was with the Chargers, he and the GM AJ Smith absolutely hated each other. They wouldn't even speak to each other in the hallways. That hatred didn't prevent Marty from going 80-47.
Jeff Fisher had the majority of his success with Floyd Reese as his GM. He won a power struggle with Reese, got him fired, hired a yes man GM, got additional personnel power and never had the same success he had with Reese as his GM.

IMHO, this idea of O'Brien and the GM being on the same page is just a very thin and poor excuse for O'Brien. I'm not buying it.
 
Earl34 said:
Couldn't 90% of NFL teams make the same excuse? With all of those high draft picks, HCs and GMs, don't you think at some point, the Dolphins, Lions and Browns would have some period of "alignment" and success? You cannot be more aligned than Jason Garret and the Cowboys front office. what have they won? What about Marvin Lewis and the Bengals?

When Marty Shottenheimer was with the Chargers, he and the GM AJ Smith absolutely hated each other. They wouldn't even speak to each other in the hallways. That hatred didn't prevent Marty from going 80-47.
Jeff Fisher had the majority of his success with Floyd Reese as his GM. He won a power struggle with Reese, got him fired, hired a yes man GM, got additional personnel power and never had the same success he had with Reese as his GM.

IMHO, this idea of O'Brien and the GM being on the same page is just a very thin and poor excuse for O'Brien. I'm not buying it.
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Spot on Earl.
 
Earl34 said:
Couldn't 90% of NFL teams make the same excuse? With all of those high draft picks, HCs and GMs, don't you think at some point, the Dolphins, Lions and Browns would have some period of "alignment" and success? You cannot be more aligned than Jason Garret and the Cowboys front office. what have they won? What about Marvin Lewis and the Bengals?

When Marty Shottenheimer was with the Chargers, he and the GM AJ Smith absolutely hated each other. They wouldn't even speak to each other in the hallways. That hatred didn't prevent Marty from going 80-47.
Jeff Fisher had the majority of his success with Floyd Reese as his GM. He won a power struggle with Reese, got him fired, hired a yes man GM, got additional personnel power and never had the same success he had with Reese as his GM.

IMHO, this idea of O'Brien and the GM being on the same page is just a very thin and poor excuse for O'Brien. I'm not buying it.
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You're correct they don't have to get along, but the GM has to get the talent and know what the HC needs to be successful. That wasn't the case on Kirby which is why one is still here and the other isn't being brought back.
 
Its basic football the foundation of offense & defense is the OL and DL. Yet the Texans seem to ignore this. Finally find a franchise QB try to be cute and cheap with OL. I am also concern that DL needs help as well. Covington may be gone. Watt needs DL help that opposing teams cant ignore or double team off of. Get either a pocket pusher or a behemoth block eating force.
 
srrono said:
Its basic football the foundation of offense & defense is the OL and DL. Yet the Texans seem to ignore this. Finally find a franchise QB try to be cute and cheap with OL. I am also concern that DL needs help as well. Covington may be gone. Watt needs DL help that opposing teams cant ignore or double team off of. Get either a pocket pusher or a behemoth block eating force.
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Last thing BO'b said suggests they're looking to the draft to address the core of the team. FA is just for filler & short term solutions.
 
thunderkyss said:
Last thing BO'b said suggests they're looking to the draft to address the core of the team. FA is just for filler & short term solutions.
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yet several sources indicate Texans in market for OT Trenton Brown--long term. Depending on health of his knee and crazy offers, Houston expected in discussion for CB Darby also. I just don't think we or many others have much of a clue in what Gaines is going to do and I like that.
 
thunderkyss said:
Last thing BO'b said suggests they're looking to the draft to address the core of the team. FA is just for filler & short term solutions.
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I understand trying to build thru the draft but this team has too many needs plus the batting avg. Of picking impactful players is not impressive. OL have been available by trade for late picks which have a very small chance of being a starter. In order to be a good team with a chance to win a superbowl the Texans need to use all facets of the offseason.
FA team/outside
Trade
Draft
Release players that do not perform.
Dont over value own players
NE does this every year.

There is a problem in the Texans org. Coaching? Scouting? Front Office? Or all the above.

We let good players go and resign avg or below avg guys.
 
steelbtexan said:
Looks like I'm wrong, not much has changed down on Kirby.
I will change my tune if they pony up for Brown.
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According to reports, the Texans were competing with the Titans to sign the Rams' Rodger Saffold and he ended up signing with the Titans for four years, $44 million and $22.5 million guaranteed. Looking at the guaranteed money, it doesn't appear to be a bad deal.

It's interesting that the Colts and Titans GMs are also from the Patriots organization and they have invested heavily in their OL. I hope Gaine and O'Brien are taking notes. When you have a known weakness on your team and you continue to fail to invest to upgrade it, the line between arrogance and incompetence gets very, very thin.
 
Earl34 said:
According to reports, the Texans were competing with the Titans to sign the Rams' Rodger Saffold and he ended up signing with the Titans for four years, $44 million and $22.5 million guaranteed. Looking at the guaranteed money, it doesn't appear to be a bad deal.

It's interesting that the Colts and Titans GMs are also from the Patriots organization and they have invested heavily in their OL. I hope Gaine and O'Brien are taking notes. When you have a known weakness on your team and you continue to fail to invest to upgrade it, the line between arrogance and incompetence gets very, very thin.
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The Colts improvement came from picking up a guy of waivers and hitting a bunch of draft picks, fwiw..,
 
Earl34 said:
According to reports, the Texans were competing with the Titans to sign the Rams' Rodger Saffold and he ended up signing with the Titans for four years, $44 million and $22.5 million guaranteed. Looking at the guaranteed money, it doesn't appear to be a bad deal.

It's interesting that the Colts and Titans GMs are also from the Patriots organization and they have invested heavily in their OL. I hope Gaine and O'Brien are taking notes. When you have a known weakness on your team and you continue to fail to invest to upgrade it, the line between arrogance and incompetence gets very, very thin.
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Always the bridesmaid never the bride.

Hopefully they learned

Very thin indeed and if they dont get it fixed this offseason, I'm going with incompetence.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The Colts improvement came from picking up a guy of waivers and hitting a bunch of draft picks, fwiw..,
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The Titans approach seems to sign FA, Jones (C) and Saffold (LG) and high draft picks Lewan (LT) and Conklin (RT).

I think a common theme to both approaches has also been bringing in quality veteran and draft picks to compete. The ideas that a below average center like Martin or Henderson coming off an injury or a nagging injury prone Kelemete or inconsistent Davenport might not have any competition for their spots appears ridiculous.
 
steelbtexan said:
Always the bridesmaid never the bride.

Hopefully they learned

Very thin indeed and if they dont get it fixed this offseason, I'm going with incompetence.
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Hopefully they've learned. Bwhahaha 5 years under Obrien and they have gotten worse every year. I don't see them learning any time soon.
 
steelbtexan said:
This philosophy comes directly from Cletus just as it did with his daddy before him. You could put another HC/GM on Kirby and you would have the same thing.
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So you think McNair is telling gain and OB not to spend resources on OL? How is that a philosophy?
 
mussop said:
So you think McNair is telling gain and OB not to spend resources on OL? How is that a philosophy?
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I think the philosophy is to go cheap in FA and yes, I believe that philosophy comes/has come from ownership. Casserly ruined this franchise with bad FA spending and ownership has been gunshy ever since.

Do you think Cletus is going to do one thing differently than his daddy did? That's not bold ownership. I was hoping Cletus would know what he didn't know and turn full reigns including the purse stings over to Gaine. I should've known better.
 
JB said:
So you think it comes the coaches not the owner?

Neither has anything to gain from the $$$$
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I'm not talking about money. What I am eluding too is that we can have top level talent on that line and it still wouldn't matter. Their philosophy is flawed. Hasn't worked since Obrien been here.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I think the philosophy is to go cheap in FA and yes, I believe that philosophy comes/has come from ownership. Casserly ruined this franchise with bad FA spending and ownership has been gunshy ever since.

Do you think Cletus is going to do one thing differently than his daddy did? That's not bold ownership. I was hoping Cletus would know what he didn't know and turn full reigns including the purse stings over to Gaine. I should've known better.
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They are trying to mimic the Patriots way of doing things. That way has lead them to how many Superbowls?
 
TJULIE’N DAVENPORT,HOUSTON TEXANS
Key Signature Stat:97.4 pass-blocking efficiency.
Houston’s oft-maligned offensive line actually ended up with the best pass-blocking efficiency of the weekend at 87.7. Trailing the entire game, they were forced to drop back 57 times, and they allowed a relatively low nine total pressures (six hurries, two hits and one sack).

Davenport struggled throughout the year, but he had by far his best game on Saturday. He was Houston’smost effectiverun blocker and only allowed two hurries on the day.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-wild-card-weekend-standouts
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I missed this and maybe it was posted elsewhere ?
In a really tough year for big Dave but these folks felt like he ended it on a high note.
 
Texansballer74 said:
They are trying to mimic the Patriots way of doing things. That way has lead them to how many Superbowls?
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Except they dont.

Did they trade for Trent Brown/Gordon last yr. They signed Jason McCourty in FA and he would've been the best CB on the Texans roster last yr.

Or Cooks/Van Noy or sign Gilmore in FA? Martellus Bennett certainly isn't Texans worthy. BB traded for Micheal Bennett, do you think the Texans org would even consider doing that?

Etc....
 
IDEXAN said:
TJULIE’N DAVENPORT,HOUSTON TEXANS
Key Signature Stat:97.4 pass-blocking efficiency.
Houston’s oft-maligned offensive line actually ended up with the best pass-blocking efficiency of the weekend at 87.7. Trailing the entire game, they were forced to drop back 57 times, and they allowed a relatively low nine total pressures (six hurries, two hits and one sack).

Davenport struggled throughout the year, but he had by far his best game on Saturday. He was Houston’smost effectiverun blocker and only allowed two hurries on the day.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-wild-card-weekend-standouts
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I missed this and maybe it was posted elsewhere ?
In a really tough year for big Dave but these folks felt like he ended it on a high note.
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Didn't help that Obrien moved him to RT at one point
 
TheKDog said:
Now they should try signing an OL who can help blocking on the OL so they can play the two receiving TEs they drafted last year
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There's still plenty of time to unearth a decent upgrade.
I doubt O'Brien told his GM not to bother with OL upgrades in FA.
 
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