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State of the O-line
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Shishkabob
All Pro
from what is being said it was more to accommodate Rankins. Rankins played LT during college, he missed most of the off season when he came back they worked primarily with him at LT than RT so they felt he would do better there, and Davenport could do both.
Possibly so, but strikes me as odd. Isn't LT more important? I would think they'd put their best guy there and hope Rankin can handle RT. But I guess it's possible Rankin is that much worse or inexperienced at RT with so little training camp.
Next week Lamm comes back possibly so hopefully we don't see him replace Davenport at RT.
texanhead08
All Pro
The odds of Watson lasting the season behind this shitshow are slim and none.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Slim is higher odds than I'd give, none is more like it.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I felt strongly that Davenport's main problem last year besides inexperience was his poor strength. He supposedly worked hard on trying to build himself up this offseason. Yet I still see the same anemic weakness that held him back last year. He hasn't looked good at LT and now would one really believe at RT where strength is seen as a premium trait, he will do better?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Now that really gets my confidence back up there!
Yeah .... Lamm coming back and I believe Chis Clark is available ! UHH ! Seriously, I have focused on Davenport and Rankin more than the ball. My early take on Rankin, was that he was not athletic enough to play left tackle, and not powerful enough to play on the right. I'm pretty sure I was wrong. Those two young men, I believe, are strong, athletic, and smart enough to become our future bookends. If you occasionally focus on them for a series or two, I think you'll see that when they get beat, their jocks are on the field, but the remedy for that is experience and conversely .... when they don't get faked, their good !
badboy
Hall of Fame
I agree that Rankin was backup plan if D didn't do it. I was impressed with the switch when Henderson injured (out for season BTW). It would be amazing if these two could hold their positions all season. I wasn't impressed with our guards in passing snaps. Anyone have info on Manzc; don't recall seeing him.
badboy
Hall of Fame
To be fair Watson should make our WR, OL and RBs better also....TEs also.
If Martin can plan, he will play. Martin was a 2nd round, Mancz was just a talented but injured FA. O'Bien's ego is as fragile as Fuller's thing-a-ma-jig !
Max
Veteran
Davenport clips. To be fair, there were a lot of good clips I could have uploaded but realistically, you're going to get judged by your poor plays/pressures allowed when you're on the Oline. Re-watching the game, he did a much better job run blocking IMO than pass blocking -- I wasn't expecting that. Some of these are worse than others.
We lose Henderson on this play and are lucky to not lose Watson also.
Can't give up this much ground.
Footwork/balance
This is mostly on Watson holding the ball too long, but D gets his shoulders turned and can't hold the block long enough and allows the pressure (gets called for holding also)
I can live with this, but D struggles against the bull rush.
Watson's lower legs are taking a beating.
Gets caught lunging (and holding again).
Rankin takes a mental vacation but D not standing his ground on bull rush again.
3 man rush so he has help, but misses his punch and lunges again.
We lose Henderson on this play and are lucky to not lose Watson also.
Can't give up this much ground.
Footwork/balance
This is mostly on Watson holding the ball too long, but D gets his shoulders turned and can't hold the block long enough and allows the pressure (gets called for holding also)
I can live with this, but D struggles against the bull rush.
Watson's lower legs are taking a beating.
Gets caught lunging (and holding again).
Rankin takes a mental vacation but D not standing his ground on bull rush again.
3 man rush so he has help, but misses his punch and lunges again.
Max
Veteran
Legs are a part of it but he doesn't do a good job of staying balanced -- most of those plays he's either lunging forward or he's too upright. Personally, I think that he knows he doesn't have the upper body strength to keep any separation so he's compensating.
Max
Veteran
For me, I think the bigger issue than either upper or lower body strength is instincts. To me, Rankin has it but Davenport doesn't. The 4th clip with the interception says a lot to me -- just keep your body between Watson and the defender and you avoid that pressure. When I posted clips of Rankin a while back -- he seemed to always know where to be to anticipate where the defender is going. It's the Olineman's equivalent of Cole having a nose for the ball -- anticipation. I don't see that w/ big D and don't think it's coachable.
Shishkabob
All Pro
The kid has started what 3 or 4 games now? Think it's a little premature for the he is who he is tag.
but he does need serious improvement
SteelB tagged him with that the day he was drafted. His mind is made up. Don't try to confuse him with facts.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Davenport played at a small school. Against inferior competition he was the big man on campus. When he is put across the line from the cream of the crop you can see his inexperience and overall low football IQ .. He's just a really big dude that can move around OK for his size. Maybe he can get better, but RT is the only position he would play for me. I dont trust his mistakes on the inside and would never put him on the QBs blindside again. Its RT or bust for him.
Rankin on the other hand was an All SEC LT for his team. Was facing NFL talent every week, and still excelled. Its no surprise that he came in and played well to me. His tape was good in college and he has all the measurables PLUS he has the instinct and smarts to play out there on an island. Yes he's going to get beat. Yes he'll make dumb rookie mistakes, but I think he'll learn fast and soon solidify that position.
Armageddon scenario for me would be to put Kelemete at RT If Davenport continues to be a liability and move Mancz into the starting lineup. Rankin-Mancz-Martin-Fulton-Kelemete
Rankin on the other hand was an All SEC LT for his team. Was facing NFL talent every week, and still excelled. Its no surprise that he came in and played well to me. His tape was good in college and he has all the measurables PLUS he has the instinct and smarts to play out there on an island. Yes he's going to get beat. Yes he'll make dumb rookie mistakes, but I think he'll learn fast and soon solidify that position.
Armageddon scenario for me would be to put Kelemete at RT If Davenport continues to be a liability and move Mancz into the starting lineup. Rankin-Mancz-Martin-Fulton-Kelemete
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
austins23
Hall of Fame
Go back and look at the throw to Griffin in the end zone. Griffin was wide ass open and Watson airmailed it. Look at his footwork on that play. That's rust. Not enough live action in the preseason. It's easy at TC, no one is trying to knock you out.
Same thing was said about #30 too.
Max
Veteran
I'm assuming that you're talking about the hit to Watson? To me, he hits him just as he's releasing the ball -- I'm not seeing a late hit. Either way, I want to see Watson rolling out more and on the move to avoid these types of hits.
Shishkabob
All Pro
austins23
Hall of Fame
Correct, it was a hit below the waist. I know he was being blocked, but Watt got called on that same exact play how many times in the past!? Maybe just sour grapes, but if that was Brady???
Shishkabob
All Pro
Donald got called on it last night. Its a discretion call. I personally think it is a good no call, and I don't think Donald should have been flagged for it last night. You have a 300lber going at a QB, he starts getting pushed down, his momentum is still going to carry him into the QBs legs.
IIRC, that was the Carson Palmer rule when he was hit low in a playoff game and tore his ACL.
SteelB tagged him with that the day he was drafted. His mind is made up. Don't try to confuse him with facts.
Nope, I dont do this with any prospect. I just equated him to his cousin NBA player Micheal Kidd Gilchrist. Kidd Gilchrist is a really talented guy who still needs to work on his shot after 4 or 5 yrs. I hope Big D improved and has a better work ethic than his cousin. So far after his first offseason it looks like he's the same guy he was last yr. Kinda like his cousin.
Confused with the facts? LOL
Facts are he wasn't avg last yr and needed to improve. This yr after the 1st game it appears that that improvement hasn't taken place.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Just like that BS "weight of the defender on the QB"....
banned1976
sleeper mode
Defense will just have to sling them to the ground. Watt is pretty good at that.
Shishkabob
All Pro
ahh yes the Aaron Rodgers rule. The NFL can't live with one of their star QBs getting hurt
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So is the insinuation now that Watson was bad because his knee is not fully healthy? I mean can a guy just overthrow without being accused of poor health? Deshaun said it himself he sucked. He played out of character and it showed in the game. He wasnt gimpy, and his inaccuracy is exactly what is being discussed. RUST .. not some lingering health issue. I mean Duane Brown was balling for Seattle on Sunday and some people here said he'd never play another down in the league. Shrug.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I mean its kind of true, we have seen multiple doctors now say not to expect Watson to jump out and be his old self right away. Its nothing negative, but you still aren't fully recovered within less than a year of an ACL tear. Go back to his Clemson days, and he wasn't his old self after coming off an ACL tear until about 6 games in. Its not saying he can't play well before then, but maybe don't expect 300+ pass yards, 50+ rush yards, and 4 tds every game
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Right, but instead of saying that he was missing his two biggest downfield threats, which greatly reduce the big play ability this team and this player rely on and saying its because of the injury I feel is just a lazy way to look at the game. If you want to tell me that Watson is overthrowing TD passes because his knee is bothering him I will disagree with you PHD or not. His biggest physical ailment came at the end of the game when he was experiencing calf muscle cramps. Is that because of the ACL too?
Shishkabob
All Pro
You can argue with facts all you want, fact is most medical minds would tell you to not expect the world from Watson at first. Yes he had a bad game, yes he missed reads which has nothing to do with his ACL, but his errant throws and sloppy footwork might, as has been suggested by multiple doctors.
It is a given that @deshaunwatson will improve.
No way medically his knee is 100% yet.
His knee and his play will get better later this season. https://t.co/mg9J0yPKED
— David J. Chao, MD (@ProFootballDoc)
If your knee is 100% it can affect your base greatly, which is as big a factor in throwing as anything else. It's lazy of you to just want to shrug it off as a bad game. No one here is blaming 100% of his poor play on his knee, they are just suggesting it is one of many factors going into it.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It would be useless to try to discuss the first part of your post with you, so I'll go to the 2nd part. Brown was owned by Chubb and Von Miller.
Damn I'd sure like to have seen the Broncos & Seahawks instead of Dallas-Caroliina or the KC game where apparently MaHomes had an excellent opening game.
You must have the NFL TV-package or went to a Sports bar C&D ?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
A friend has NFL TV.
Shishkabob
All Pro
yea just find a friend who has sunday ticket and use their info to stream the games. that's what I do
@AaronWilson_NFL
Texans worked out offensive tackles Chris Clark, Austin Howard and Cornelius Lucas, according to sources
Texans worked out offensive tackles Chris Clark, Austin Howard and Cornelius Lucas, according to sources
Texansballer74
The Marine
You call it rust and I call it being indecisive, not trusting his eyes and it was a flat out terrible pass. He also wasn't mentally I'm the game thus the reason why he said, " he didn't have any energy ".
That has nothing to do with rust.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You call it rust and I call it being indecisive, not trusting his eyes and it was a flat out terrible pass. He also wasn't mentally I'm the game thus the reason why he said, " he didn't have any energy ".
That has nothing to do with rust.
austins23
Hall of Fame
You can have mine for a price......I can be bought for beer.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sarah Barshop@sarahbarshop 4m4 minutes ago
After Seantrel Henderson’s injury, both Martinas Rankin and Julién Davenport struggled. According to PFF, Davenport ranked 58th of 69 tackles and Rankin was 61st. Davenport allowed nine pressures and two sacks.
After Seantrel Henderson’s injury, both Martinas Rankin and Julién Davenport struggled. According to PFF, Davenport ranked 58th of 69 tackles and Rankin was 61st. Davenport allowed nine pressures and two sacks.
Not good at all. I wonder how the interior graded
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
No losses here. Austin was an injury burger, Clark followed suit with knee, calf and finally ankle injury that finally knocked him out of the latter part of the season. Lucas was marginal against the pass and a huge liability against the run, despite his size.