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State of the O-line

steelbtexan said:
I saw those clips and let me say, Henderson, while not an all pro is much better than he was portrayed in those limited clips. He's been out of football for a while and that helped contribute to what you saw on those clips. He actually played pretty well as a rookie. The fact that he's played for Devlin and knows what Devlin wants has to be a plus. This should proclude Gaine from making the OL priority #1 in the draft.

Dont want Flowers.
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Awright ! I'll take that as an implied endorsement of the new GMs acquisition of Henderson. Pretty soon SteelB might be the most insufferable Texans fans around here
as he's in constant praise of GM Gaine & HC O'Brien.
 
steelbtexan said:
I saw those clips and let me say, Henderson, while not an all pro is much better than he was portrayed in those limited clips. He's been out of football for a while and that helped contribute to what you saw on those clips. He actually played pretty well as a rookie. The fact that he's played for Devlin and knows what Devlin wants has to be a plus. This should proclude Gaine from making the OL priority #1 in the draft.

Dont want Flowers.
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Fair enough but still need depth right?
 
IDEXAN said:
Awright ! I'll take that as an implied endorsement of the new GMs acquisition of Henderson. Pretty soon SteelB might be the most insufferable Texans fans around here
as he's in constant praise of GM Gaine & HC O'Brien.
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LOL
 
steelbtexan said:
So you dont think Noteboom/Richardson/Harrison or Jones could start as rookies? Most likely 2 or 3 of these guys will be available in the 3rd.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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No, of those you list I think Noteboom could be a solid RT eventually but not a starter now. I think he is similar to Tyrell Crosby in that regard. I was interested in Jamarco Jones early season but he seemed inconsistent and often overwhelmed. I think he will be better at LT than RT and IMO Davenport has that locked up. There are better candidates for RT than these guys and I realize that is personal opinion. If I were picking an OT in round three I would hope that O'Neill or Martinas Rankin slides. I like Senat more than Noteboom but he would be unlikely to start 2018 also. I think Jamil Demby is under radar but ranks as well as any outside of first 50 picks. I can get in 6th what some want in rounds above him.

Late add, I think Cappa would be a choice for me over Noteboom or Jones.[/QUOTE]
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Gossett and his teammate Beau Nunn quite a bit as interior OL.

Thanks for turning me onto Nunn, BB.
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Welcome. I was focusing on Nunn and his partner to his left for years was simply too good to disregard. It was fun to watch other folks become aware of Gossett and he is really good. Some have him going in 5th but I'm hoping he will be there for us. Another possibility is Mancz starts at center allowing Martin to play RG. IMO, Gossett if drafted will be our RG for long time although starting might not happen until 2019.
 
badboy said:
Welcome. I was focusing on Nunn and his partner to his left for years was simply too good to disregard. It was fun to watch other folks become aware of Gossett and he is really good. Some have him going in 5th but I'm hoping he will be there for us. Another possibility is Mancz starts at center allowing Martin to play RG. IMO, Gossett if drafted will be our RG for long time although starting might not happen until 2019.
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I've had Gossett (Appalachian St) from the get-go. I would really like to see the Texans land this guy. I'm also holding out hope that 2- Year starter at LT, Bentley Spain (NC) continues on the path of being overlooked among the bigger names. I think he could be every bit as solid as Gossett.
 
badboy said:
Welcome. I was focusing on Nunn and his partner to his left for years was simply too good to disregard. It was fun to watch other folks become aware of Gossett and he is really good. Some have him going in 5th but I'm hoping he will be there for us. Another possibility is Mancz starts at center allowing Martin to play RG. IMO, Gossett if drafted will be our RG for long time although starting might not happen until 2019.
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Mancz at Center over Fulton??
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Mancz at Center over Fulton??
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Fulton IMO will be the left guard starter with center being either Martin or Manz. I think it depends on Mancz health. He had shoulder injury in Shrine game 2015 & went undrafted. He was rated that senior year by College Football Focus prior to injury as best center in college. He has been good in pass protection and not so good in run. Knee injury since 2015 and chest in 2017 were troublesome and he had the good season when Martin went out. The 2016 season he was ranked by PFF as best Texans olineman..I know how much is that worth but who wasn't happy with his performance? He replaced X and seemed better but again hard to judge. When moved to RG, Mancz just did not cut it. I think O'Brien showed his faith in what he had this off season (Slade, Will Fuller (I like him) & Martin) by going after someone else to play RG. Allen is still listed as starting right guard but what is going to make him better than 2017? Lord knows I am hoping Allen high ankle sprain was his major malfunction. Just to clarify, I want to see Allen get work in OTAs and preseason at left guard but seems like he is going to battle for RG.
 
badboy said:
Fulton IMO will be the left guard starter with center being either Martin or Manz. I think it depends on Mancz health. He had shoulder injury in Shrine game 2015 & went undrafted. He was rated that senior year by College Football Focus prior to injury as best center in college. He has been good in pass protection and not so good in run. Knee injury since 2015 and chest in 2017 were troublesome and he had the good season when Martin went out. The 2016 season he was ranked by PFF as best Texans olineman..I know how much is that worth but who wasn't happy with his performance? He replaced X and seemed better but again hard to judge. When moved to RG, Mancz just did not cut it. I think O'Brien showed his faith in what he had this off season (Slade, Will Fuller (I like him) & Martin) by going after someone else to play RG. Allen is still listed as starting right guard but what is going to make him better than 2017? Lord knows I am hoping Allen high ankle sprain was his major malfunction. Just to clarify, I want to see Allen get work in OTAs and preseason at left guard but seems like he is going to battle for RG.
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Well, if they want Allen to succeed they’d put him at LG, where he originally made his bread and butter. That’s just me though
 
badboy said:
No, of those you list I think Noteboom could be a solid RT eventually but not a starter now. I think he is similar to Tyrell Crosby in that regard. I was interested in Jamarco Jones early season but he seemed inconsistent and often overwhelmed. I think he will be better at LT than RT and IMO Davenport has that locked up. There are better candidates for RT than these guys and I realize that is personal opinion. If I were picking an OT in round three I would hope that O'Neill or Martinas Rankin slides. I like Senat more than Noteboom but he would be unlikely to start 2018 also. I think Jamil Demby is under radar but ranks as well as any outside of first 50 picks. I can get in 6th what some want in rounds above him.

Late add, I think Cappa would be a choice for me over Noteboom or Jones.
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I can see we value this OL class very differently. Noteboom looks alot like Marshall Newhouse to me (Which would be an upgrade over what they put out there last yr at LT.) with potential to be even better.

Cappa has a chance to be a serviceable RT or a really good OG. I think Cappa has the perfect skillset/temperment for a starting OG as a rookie. If I was a team like the 49ers I would be looking at him in the 3rd rd. (Joe Thuney)
 

I can see we value this OL class very differently. Noteboom looks alot like Marshall Newhouse to me (Which would be an upgrade over what they put out there last yr at LT.) with potential to be even better.

Cappa has a chance to be a serviceable RT or a really good OG. I think Cappa has the perfect skillset/temperment for a starting OG as a rookie. If I was a team like the 49ers I would be looking at him in the 3rd rd. (Joe Thuney)[/QUOTE]

Notebook first started off as a RT, then moved to LT. To his credit, he never missed a game in college to injury. He has a great many questions in technique for a transition to the NFL. He's going to have to really work on his strength, and probably needs to put on some significant muscle weight to help him against a power D. Despite this, it looks like he may be gone by Day 2.

I'm not sure about Cappa. One performance at the Senior Bowl does not make an NFL player. It bothers me that he comes from a very small school with very low-ranking competition. I see him as a possible bust. just as likely as turning out to be an average lineman, as opposed to becoming an elite player. With all the hype since the Senior Bowl, someone may just take a chance and roll the dice to take him high.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I can see we value this OL class very differently. Noteboom looks alot like Marshall Newhouse to me (Which would be an upgrade over what they put out there last yr at LT.) with potential to be even better.

Cappa has a chance to be a serviceable RT or a really good OG. I think Cappa has the perfect skillset/temperment for a starting OG as a rookie. If I was a team like the 49ers I would be looking at him in the 3rd rd. (Joe Thuney)
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Notebook first started off as a RT, then moved to LT. To his credit, he never missed a game in college to injury. He has a great many questions in technique for a transition to the NFL. He's going to really work on his strength, and probably needs to put on some significant muscle weight to help him against a power D. Despite this, it looks like he may be gone by Day 2.

I'm not sure about Cappa. One performance at the Senior Bowl does not make an NFL player. It bothers me that he comes from a very small school with very low-ranking competition. I see him as a possible bust. just as likely as turning out to be an average lineman, as opposed to becoming an elite player. With all the hype since the Senior Bowl, someone may just take a chance and roll the dice to take him high.[/QUOTE]

Cappa has his flaws just like everyone else when we start drafting. The one thing he has in spades is that he’s a finisher. And he’s a solid athlete. His issues are teachable. You can’t necessarily teach someone to be a mean nasty sob with the want-to like you can hand placement,etc.
 
If you hit, Cappa has the skillset of another small school guy that came out after playing LT in college. Iupati.

Good thing is with the Texans staff coaching at the Sr. Bowl they should have the best feel of any team for what they're drafting on the OL.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you hit, Cappa has the skillset of another small school guy that came out after playing LT in college. Iupati.

Good thing is with the Texans staff coaching at the Sr. Bowl they should have the best feel of any team for what they're drafting on the OL.
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Pretty much all the people projected to be available when Texans go on the clock played in that game. Save Orlando Brown and Will Richardson.
 
Only two OTs taken in last night first round, and forget about Georgia Olineman Isaiah Wynn being a tackle even though they called him one when the Pats took him but he will almost surely be moved to guard very soon though he may temporarily fill in at LT for the Pats in the wake of Nate Soldiers departure.
Wynn did play some OT in college but yikes he's under 6' 3", so no not an NFL tackle ! So this just illustrates how slim the pickings are @ OT in this years Draft.
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I'd say the leading OT prospects left this morning are Tyrell Crosby, Brian O'Neill, & Connor Williams. Anybody there worth moving up into the second round for ?
Oh yea Orlando Brown is still there, depending on what you think of him after the first round ?
 
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IDEXAN said:
Only two OTs taken in last night first round, and forget about Georgia Olineman Isaiah Wynn being a tackle even though they called him one when the Pats took him but he will almost surely be moved to guard very soon though he may temporarily fill in at LT for the Pats in the wake of Nate Soldiers departure.
Wynn did play some OT in college but yikes he's under 6' 3", so no not an NFL tackle ! So this just illustrates how slim the pickings are @ OT in this years Draft.
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I'd say the leading OT prospects left this morning are Tyrell Crosby, Brian O'Neill, & Connor Williams. Anybody there worth moving up into the second round for ?
Oh yea Orlando Brown is still there, depending on what you think of him after the first round ?
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Let the draft fall to us. Depending on who comes off the board in the second I’d consider moving down, but not up. There is solid talent going to be there in the third and I prefer not giving away any selections.
 
Been gone hi all. Good luck Texans on the draft. 2-3 round(3 picks). I'm all for OT TE and LB. imo do not trade up. If in fact that there is only a few OTs left now and maybe those taken then by rd3 ..then...TE can be part of the OL as in good blocking TE and catch and or also BPA OT. I'm not familiar with the college OTs TEs or LBs so my opinion is weak but positions strong. The rest of rounds get the best BPA position needs.
 
Number19 said:
Let the draft fall to us. Depending on who comes off the board in the second I’d consider moving down, but not up. There is solid talent going to be there in the third and I prefer not giving away any selections.
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I agree with your take #19 because I dunno what significant difference there is between tfhe remaing OTs, or atleast a gob of them.
Stay pat and/or maybe acquire another pick or two and maximize At Bats as GM Gaine has said he likes to do.
 
I’d be happy if we went BPA and got us a WR, TE, and RB in the third round. I just don’t see any must haves at OT to package all of our third round picks to trade back into the 2nd round for.
 
IDEXAN said:
Only two OTs taken in last night first round, and forget about Georgia Olineman Isaiah Wynn being a tackle even though they called him one when the Pats took him but he will almost surely be moved to guard very soon though he may temporarily fill in at LT for the Pats in the wake of Nate Soldiers departure.
Wynn did play some OT in college but yikes he's under 6' 3", so no not an NFL tackle ! So this just illustrates how slim the pickings are @ OT in this years Draft.
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I'd say the leading OT prospects left this morning are Tyrell Crosby, Brian O'Neill, & Connor Williams. Anybody there worth moving up into the second round for ?
Oh yea Orlando Brown is still there, depending on what you think of him after the first round ?
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I'd say if Crosby or O'Neill fell to the bottom of the 2nd it would be worth going up maybe 8 or 10 spots to go get whichever one dropped, but that's only if you are sure they are going to be taken before they get to you're pick in the 3rd. Otherwise, I'd say, stay put. I think the odds of either of them falling that far are probably small. If it comes down to picking between Brown, Rankin, or Noteboom, I'd go with Noteboom. I just hope they don't pick Brown.
 
IDEXAN said:
I agree with your take #19 because I dunno what significant difference there is between tfhe remaing OTs, or atleast a gob of them.
Stay pat and/or maybe acquire another pick or two and maximize At Bats as GM Gaine has said he likes to do.
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There's a significant difference.
 
steelbtexan said:
There's a significant difference.
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Yes you are probably right and I imagine you have a handle or atleast a pretty solid opinion on the peking order talent wise of those remaining OT prospects.
As for me all I have is a sense that Crosby, O'Neill, & Williams are the best of the rest, and I could for sure be wrong about that.
 
powda said:
I told you I'd see you after the draft.

I guess they're not hanging their hat exclusively on dav. Martinas Rankin was our 3rd round pick and announced as a tackle.

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Don't think Rankin will play LT. He doesn't really have the length and I'm not sure if his feet are quick enough. I think his best fit would be RT or OG. But, Gaine did announce him as an OT when asked where he would play and said something about just having the 5 best O-linemen out there on the field. We'll see soon enough!
 
Insideop said:
Don't think Rankin will play LT. He doesn't really have the length and I'm not sure if his feet are quick enough. I think his best fit would be RT or OG. But, Gaine did announce him as an OT when asked where he would play and said something about just having the 5 best O-linemen out there on the field. We'll see soon enough!
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He did say he hopes he sticks at LT in an interview but the he can play anywhere
 
Would like to see Malone and Jones-Smith to push for playing time at G or T.

It's a weak class so we probably shouldn't expect much but Jones-Smith has freakishly long arms and enough quickness to make it in this league while Malone needs to get into the weight room.

Both have enough quickness off the line to make it while both need to get stronger.

Malone with 33 inch arms but only 15 reps if 225. He can afford to lose quite a bit of bad weight while replacing it with muscle. He also needs to prove that he's all in on football.
 
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Insideop said:
Don't think Rankin will play LT. He doesn't really have the length and I'm not sure if his feet are quick enough. I think his best fit would be RT or OG. But, Gaine did announce him as an OT when asked where he would play and said something about just having the 5 best O-linemen out there on the field. We'll see soon enough!
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Rankins has very quick feet it’s his best attribute. Weaknesses are inconsistent hand placement (lets guys get into his chest) and needs to get stronger.
 
My hope and expectation moving forward:

LT - Rankin / Davenport
LG - Kelemete / Allen
C - Martin / Mancz
RG - Fulton / Fuller
RT - Henderson / Lamm

I'm not going to pretend that I am totally happy with the OL but that is a massive overhaul in one off-season. Gaine has done a hell of a job there. There's only so much you can do in the short amount of time he has been on the job. And he has gone above and beyond to address the situation.

I think he deserves tremendous applause for the moves he has made here. Now all we can do is hold our collective breath and hope these guys don't get Watson killed. I expect OL to be heavily addressed again next off-season, but we are way better off here than we were at the end of last season.
 
bah007 said:
My hope and expectation moving forward:

LT - Rankin / Davenport
LG - Kelemete / Allen
C - Martin / Mancz
RG - Fulton / Fuller
RT - Henderson / Lamm

I'm not going to pretend that I am totally happy with the OL but that is a massive overhaul in one off-season. Gaine has done a hell of a job there. There's only so much you can do in the short amount of time he has been on the job. And he has gone above and beyond to address the situation.

I think he deserves tremendous applause for the moves he has made here. Now all we can do is hold our collective breath and hope these guys don't get Watson killed. I expect OL to be heavily addressed again next off-season, but we are way better off here than we were at the end of last season.
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I agree. This is a complete revamp of our offensive line and I’m of the opinion that we can go into training camp optimistic that we’ll see improved performance over last season. We may not yet know how much better, but we’ll be better and this will be reflected with an improvement in our run game.
 
At first I was excited about Henderson but that was before I learned about the fact that he hasn't played in a few years. Hoping Jones-Smith can push for the RT job.
 
bah007 said:
My hope and expectation moving forward:

LT - Rankin / Davenport
LG - Kelemete / Allen
C - Martin / Mancz
RG - Fulton / Fuller
RT - Henderson / Lamm

I'm not going to pretend that I am totally happy with the OL but that is a massive overhaul in one off-season. Gaine has done a hell of a job there. There's only so much you can do in the short amount of time he has been on the job. And he has gone above and beyond to address the situation.

I think he deserves tremendous applause for the moves he has made here. Now all we can do is hold our collective breath and hope these guys don't get Watson killed. I expect OL to be heavily addressed again next off-season, but we are way better off here than we were at the end of last season.
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I’d substitute Jones-Smith in place of Lamm and feel like this is an OL that OB can scheme around and Watson can make look a lot better. Lots of guys that can move in space added. Think we’ll finally see Lamar Miller running outside zone on a regular basis.
 
Not sure, too early, way to early to tell but since Davenport has some experience already playing LT he should have the edge as starter. Rankin has experience and is comfortable playing Left or right side I'm betting he will be starting RT. Allen is ahead in system and should showcase much better consistency @ LG. Martin is already proven best Center on this roster leaving Fulton and Fuller to fight it out for starting RG position. Others will get spot duty affording rest to starters, specific match-ups and or injury's, hopefully just the nagging kind not season ending.

LT - Davenport/ Lamm
LG - Allen/ Kelemete
C - Martin/ Mancz
RG - Fulton/ Fuller
RT - Rankin/ Henderson
 
I think the only for sure big upgrade is Fulton.

Can't count on a rookie, and Kelemente is pretty mediocre, probably just a small upgrade over xsf.

Henderson is probably worse than Breno and Clark.

A lot will ride on the guys we already had (Davenport, Martin, Mancz, Allen) improving.
 
Kelemente was avg to a little above avg last yr. An upgrade over XSF.

I think Henderson is going to be much better than what was seen on those clips. He played pretty well as a rookie until the Chron's issues started happening. Hopefully he's fully recovered from that and I'm talking about from a personal health standpoint rather than a professional standpoint.

From what I understand going thru Chron's is like going thru he**. Unbelievably painful
 
I feel similarly about Lamm as I did about Keenum - I think that there's potential there and would like to see more of him before we let him go.
 
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