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Spiller or Matthews?
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stingray
Hall of Fame
I have listened to a lot of Sirius NFL Radio lately and they have been saying that CJ stock has been dropping some and Ryan's stock has been rising. Not saying that CJ will be available for sure but don't be surprised if he is. Also, I heard that the Singletary wants Iuapti, which looks like now Mike is calling the shots in 49er land. The niners were one of the teams that most mocks had taking CJ. If the Seahawks or niners don't take CJ, I really don't see another team taking him before twenty.
The Niners also have two picks in the first. Grab your Rb and your OG, that O is set.
Spiller's stock is not dropping. He will be the first back drafted without a doubt.
stingray
Hall of Fame
I know that, but they are also set on a corner, probably Haden or Wilson. That's what I have been hearing on Sirius. Yes, he probably will be the first back taken but doesn't mean he won't be there at twenty. Many good backs have fallen into the twenties. Remember Steven Jackson? Especially in a draft that is so deep with OT's and DT's
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
For the Texans.... Mathews
Neither. Go with the BPA @ one of the far more important positions at CB, DT, or OT and get your back in a later round. I would even take a OT if he's the most highly rated and the figure out if you want to make a guard out of your top draft pick, Duane brown, or Eric Winston. The best back in the world isn't effective without effective blocking in the OLine, that's where football games are won or lost.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
LOL at OT being a bigger need than RB both in reality and in the minds of the Texans' staff. Unless Joe Thomas reenters the draft and falls to 20 they ain't considering an OT.
If we can draft an offensive lineman which gives us a better five-some, a better starting Oline than what we now have on the roster, just do it.
A first-rate offensive line with a second-rate running back is always a more effective combination than a first-rate running back with a second-rate Oline. Even the best backs are totally ing ineffective without open lanes at the los.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I didn't comment on OL, I commented on OT. We aren't changing our OT's. Sure people can think that is dumb but it ain't happening this off-season.
I would rather draft a RB (Hardesty) in the 2nd rd and draft a DB or OL in the 1st rd.
If the DB or OL is the BPA.
If the DB or OL is the BPA.
Is not OT a position in the OLine, therefor how can we discuss one without involving the other ?
And unless you're Gary Kubiak or Rick Smith posting on this Board under an alias, how do you know what their thinking process is ?
Duane Brown is an average OLT who could be an excellent LG. If somebody like Trent Williams or Anthony Davis slips (not expecting it to happen, but it
could), I'd move Brown to guard in a heart-beat to elevate the whole OLine
as a group while upgrading 2 OL positions.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You made a specific OT assertion and I responded to it. Bringing in the rest of the OL is non-responsive.
This isn't rocket science. Nobody on the Texans has expressed any displeasure whatsoever with the tackles and it was pretty obvious the weakest part of the OL last season was the interior. I don't claim any inside knowledge but when you hear fan ideas like let's move DeMeco to Will it isn't hard to say it ain't happening. This is similar. The OTs aren't probowlers but they also are not the weakest links on the OL.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
first you gotta get the spelling right, it's Mathews (not just you its spread across the interent). Then you must realize different teams draft boards rate prospects for their systems only, so one may grade out higher than the next. So Spiller is higher on some teams boards & lower on others, same with Mathews. Question is, how well does a team draft to address need with BPA not just BPA, this is what really seperates the men from the boyz, Texans seem to be on the come in this area which is good, I think for them Mathews is higher on their board.
San Franciso has Gore as feature/power inside back (when healthy, which is why is stock dropped when he came out) & Coffee a slashing, lean one-cut guy (supposed to be Gore's back-up). But they lack the homerun threat like Spiller, makes more sense for them over Mathews than a team like the Texans who have no feature back.
However, and heres the rub which could impact Spillers draft more than Mathews is there are a couple interesting speed options in the 2nd rd. someone San Francisco is very familar with Californias Jahvid Best just to name one, affording them to address needs in first & take bpa like a FS/CB or OT. This is just one factor in Mathews favor because he is a legit #1 feature back. People are now catching on & once the draft begins several teams draft boards will have Mathews rated #1 just a question if RB is priority need or not, when its all said & done Ryan Mathews could easily grade out in Top 15, so if he's on the board @ #20 worthy from both a BPA, team need & system fit making him a slam dunk for Texans.
San Franciso has Gore as feature/power inside back (when healthy, which is why is stock dropped when he came out) & Coffee a slashing, lean one-cut guy (supposed to be Gore's back-up). But they lack the homerun threat like Spiller, makes more sense for them over Mathews than a team like the Texans who have no feature back.
However, and heres the rub which could impact Spillers draft more than Mathews is there are a couple interesting speed options in the 2nd rd. someone San Francisco is very familar with Californias Jahvid Best just to name one, affording them to address needs in first & take bpa like a FS/CB or OT. This is just one factor in Mathews favor because he is a legit #1 feature back. People are now catching on & once the draft begins several teams draft boards will have Mathews rated #1 just a question if RB is priority need or not, when its all said & done Ryan Mathews could easily grade out in Top 15, so if he's on the board @ #20 worthy from both a BPA, team need & system fit making him a slam dunk for Texans.
Some have Spiller as the second coming of one Chris Johnson, who is both
a homerun threat and his teams feature back.
Mathews had (7) 50+ yard TD runs this season. So it's not like he's a plodder.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
saw the poll and was about to vote mathews (thanks BL!) as a compliment to slaton but then the more i think about it, we already have a decent mathews-lite on the roster in arian foster- he showed in those 2 games last year (and in college) that he can pass protect, catch and run pretty well. imo theres alot more ?? about slaton than foster this year and imo theres as much chance of foster being our complementary back to someone like spiller/best etc than a mathews/slaton combo
or the short version of ^^: i voted spiller
or the short version of ^^: i voted spiller
saw the poll and was about to vote mathews (thanks BL!) as a compliment to slaton but then the more i think about it, we already have a decent mathews-lite on the roster in arian foster- he showed in those 2 games last year (and in college) that he can pass protect, catch and run pretty well. imo theres alot more ?? about slaton than foster this year and imo theres as much chance of foster being our complementary back to someone like spiller/best etc than a mathews/slaton combo
or the short version of ^^: i voted spiller
Not saying I want Mathews because my favorite RB's are Tate and Hardesty. But Foster couldn't carry Mathews jock. IMHO
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Best chance of beating the Colts is doing what the Jags did to us in our 2nd meeting last year late in the 4th quarter with a lead.
Mathews gives us the best chance of executing that gameplan. We need a back who will get the tough yards, we have plenty of weapons for Schaub to throw to and if Slaton can return at least to the level they projected when he was drafted that we aren't in as much of a need for a homerun threat.
Although Mathews can be a fine homerun threat himself in addition to a grinder.
PS: Nothing Arian Foster did at the end of last season cemented him a spot on the roster and more importantly, a spot in the team's gameplans for next season. He's gotta come out improved this season and prove that the last 2 games weren't flukes.
I'm sorry, but I can't put much faith in an undrafted player who couldn't get Chris Brown off the field before we dropped 4 division games in a row. RB is a huge need for us, no matter what the typical Texans late-season surge showed you.
Mathews gives us the best chance of executing that gameplan. We need a back who will get the tough yards, we have plenty of weapons for Schaub to throw to and if Slaton can return at least to the level they projected when he was drafted that we aren't in as much of a need for a homerun threat.
Although Mathews can be a fine homerun threat himself in addition to a grinder.
PS: Nothing Arian Foster did at the end of last season cemented him a spot on the roster and more importantly, a spot in the team's gameplans for next season. He's gotta come out improved this season and prove that the last 2 games weren't flukes.
I'm sorry, but I can't put much faith in an undrafted player who couldn't get Chris Brown off the field before we dropped 4 division games in a row. RB is a huge need for us, no matter what the typical Texans late-season surge showed you.
If that's the case (and I tend to agree), why are you so high on Hardesty? Hardesty couldn't start in Knoxville until Foster turned pro.
More importantly, how much faith does Gary Kubiak have in a guy who couldn't get Chris Brown off the field before the Texans dropped 4 division games in a row?
That had more to do with Fulmer than how Hardesty. Decisions like this (Foster over Hardesty) are what got Fullmer fired.
Playing in a pro offense and being the focal point of the defense every week (Crompton stunk) and still producing the way he did impressed me. His pass pro and catching the ball out of the backfield also impressed me.
I didn't realize that he had been injured ealier in his career at Tenn. That is why I moved Tate over Hardesty on my board.
How serious were his injuries?
Very difficult to judge individual numbers with a franchise back who fits Kubiaks/Dennison zbs but 30th in the league is both underachieving & unacceptable, RB needs improvement
Agreed
I think Kiffin runs a form of the ZBS. I know that he ran the ZBS with Oakland.
I dont know what blocking scheme Auburn ran. But whatever it was it wasn't very successful.
Neither, give me Kyle Wilson in the 1st and Ben Tate in the 2nd round. With some good/decent blocking Ben Tate will be a stud horse to ride into the playoffs for years to come.
stingray
Hall of Fame
I know how to spell his name, I only misspelled his name once due to habit.... But thanks grammar police.
And I think I did mention the the reason why Spiller would drop.
e.g. Niners take Trent Williams first round, Kareem Jackson second, and Dexter McCluster third. Instead of Spiller, Kareem Jackson, John Jerry in the third. They get much more bang for their buck with the former.
And yeah, the Texans don't have the #1 feature back, but a backfield of Foster, Slaton and Spiller would be pretty deadly in my opinion. You would have your Small (Spiller), Medium (Slaton) and Large (Foster) triple threat. You could use all the backs in different situations.
Yeah, except Alex Smith and David Carr are fighting for your QB position...That O is not set, IMO.
I dunno, I like R. Mathews, but I have a feeling the pick will be a FS- Taylor Mays, & a RB in the 2nd rd., & CB in the 3rd. They are probably asking Cush about him! Plus, USC is a big time college Football program. This is just a gut feel!
I hope not, but it is a possibility. Maybe...
Mays
Tate
Spievey
That would not be so bad.
I wondered why Hardesty was not rated higher based on 2009 production and blowing out the combine for big backs and I found a source indicating the answer. I can't remember the source now (some scout source), but basically he has had some serious injuries in his earlier years and there is conjecture that it has slowed his lateral movement. They described him as a 1st round talent with 3rd round health issues. Other than that he is an ideal (one cut and explosive first steps) back for the Texans, but he is a risk.
painekiller
All Pro
They have not expressed any displeasure publicly. But Alex Gibbs is now gone and anything is possible, though unlikely.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Agreed.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Agreed.
bckey
All Pro
Or Kubiak was just hard headed and kept trotting Chris Brown out every game because....well I don't know why. Remember that Chris Brown was Kubiak's secret weapon after the bye week against the Titans on monday night. The secret weapon that gave us stagger lee II in the Jaguars game. This is one of the complaints against Kubiak. It doesn't always look like Kubiak puts the best players on the field and/or sticks with some for way too long before making a change.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Yep a round peg for the round hole. I think a lot of us believes that there is no one on the board at CB who will make a difference as far as Manning is concerned. Unless we split with the colts, better sweep them, we're just play off fodder. So unless Manning gets hurt, the one out of seven isn't just a trend. Take the back who fits Kubiak's scheme perfectly and keep Manning on the bench. All we need is one stop. We win. Rather it was Iupati...but I believe Mathews will work.
Lengthens Slaton's career and creates competition at Rb. we should be set at running back for a while.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Kubiak doesn't throw his veterans under the bus. They play themselves out of town. I think it's foolish to believe he will start a rookie corner out of camp. He babied Casey all year also. Another thing I found interesting last year was every time Jacoby fouled up, Kubiak piled it on top of his shoulders to make a play. I really feel last year was Jones' fish or cut bait year. After the deflection off his hands in the patriots game, he returned a punt for thirty yards and set them up. Then Schaub made a major league throw and Jones made a catch on the end line that Joe Montana and Dwight Clark would of been proud of. J.J. isn't going anywhere until Kubiak goes. And I wasn't surprised at Kubiak working both Browns the way he did. He doesn't throw his veterans under the bus. He gives them every opportunity to make it. No ones fault but theirs if they don't.
I've been watching Mike Mayoc on "Path to Draft" on the NFL Network this morning and it's troubling to hear about the extensive injury history of both Spiller & Mathews. Just one more reason, but a really very important, not to use that top pick on a back. Big time red flags on both of these guys in the durability department IMO.
Give me a healthy Tate in the 2nd rd.
If you want to take a chance on a RB with an injury history pick Hardesty in the 3rd and spend another late rd pick on Miller,Bell or Stefon Johnson inthe 5/6th rd.
If you want to take a chance on a RB with an injury history pick Hardesty in the 3rd and spend another late rd pick on Miller,Bell or Stefon Johnson inthe 5/6th rd.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Mayock had Tate as a potential 3rd round target for the Texans on Path to the Draft.
phantom17
Rookie
I think the Texans sit back and wait for one of these guysto fall to the 3rd.
1.Tate
2.Hardesty
3.Gerhart
4.Dixon
beerlover
Hall of Fame
thats what the Texans did last draft, wait for one of their RB's (Greene/Coffee) to fall to the 3rd. guess what it didn't happen. Texans must be more proactive, of course this transfers to the field as well
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
thats what the Texans did last draft, wait for one of their RB's (Greene/Coffee) to fall to the 3rd. guess what it didn't happen. Texans must be more proactive, of course this transfers to the field as well
Exactly.
If we want to have a great running game, we need to make a decision on who our future back is going to be and then we need to get him.
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
id rather take a cb/fs/dt in the first, but if it came down to spiller or matthews, id take spiller in a heartbeat.
thats what the Texans did last draft, wait for one of their RB's (Greene/Coffee) to fall to the 3rd. guess what it didn't happen. Texans must be more proactive, of course this transfers to the field as well
I agree with you.
History says the Texans will wait until atleast the 3rd to pick a RB
I hope history is proven wrong.
Is it just me or did anybody else find it curious that the Texans placed a
3rd-round tender on Moats, who essentially was the Texans 3rd string back ? It almost sounds to me like a signal that the Texans are gonna hang on to a "corps of running backs", and take that approach instead of drafting a single back real high and feature him in their offense ?
3rd-round tender on Moats, who essentially was the Texans 3rd string back ? It almost sounds to me like a signal that the Texans are gonna hang on to a "corps of running backs", and take that approach instead of drafting a single back real high and feature him in their offense ?
I hope we are both reading the tea leaves wrong.
Kubes said fixing the running game was job one. Wether that means taking a RB high remains to be seen.
If Asamoah falls to late in the 2nd rd I would trade up. Using a 2009 3rd and a 2010 3rd. That way the they could draft a CB,RB,OG and fill 3 of their needs with immediate starters.