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Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

silvrhand said:
Schaub has always been injury prone, are you trying to talk yourself out of that? He never even played a full 3-4 years in college, and hurt his shoulder even then. I admit the last two years have been better and his ankle kind of a freak accident in some way, but Matt Schaub doesn't seem to be the most durable QB's we've seen.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/...le=Matt+Schaub%2C+QB%2C+Texans&photo=29827485
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Schaub is not the most durable, but much of the time he has missed is due to defenders intentionally taking him out. People forget about Drayton Florence of the Chargers getting fined for landing a vicious late hit to Schaub's lower back, causing missed games. Or Richard Seymour getting fined a couple of years ago for going for Schaub's knees. And when Allen went for his knees, he did it twice in the same game just to make sure he got the job done. I think defensive coordinators know about Schaub's durability issues, and instruct their guys to exploit it. It's the only way Albert Haynesworth knows how to beat him.

I also think that Rick Smith's reluctance to sign Schaub has less to do with durability than it does with Schaub proving he's the same player post-recovery. I have my own concerns about that, considering that the injury is on his planting foot.
 
Brisco_County said:
Schaub is not the most durable, but much of the time he has missed is due to defenders intentionally taking him out. People forget about Drayton Florence of the Chargers getting fined for landing a vicious late hit to Schaub's lower back, causing missed games. Or Richard Seymour getting fined a couple of years ago for going for Schaub's knees. And when Allen went for his knees, he did it twice in the same game just to make sure he got the job done. I think defensive coordinators know about Schaub's durability issues, and instruct their guys to exploit it. It's the only way Albert Haynesworth knows how to beat him.

I also think that Rick Smith's reluctance to sign Schaub has less to do with durability than it does with Schaub proving he's the same player post-recovery. I have my own concerns about that, considering that the injury is on his planting foot.
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Kind of has me thinking about the whole Saints Bountygate scandal. You know these other Defenses talk about hitting Schaub hard and trying to "take him out" or "rattle him". :foottap:
 
silvrhand said:
Schaub has always been injury prone, are you trying to talk yourself out of that? He never even played a full 3-4 years in college, and hurt his shoulder even then. I admit the last two years have been better and his ankle kind of a freak accident in some way, but Matt Schaub doesn't seem to be the most durable QB's we've seen.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/...le=Matt+Schaub%2C+QB%2C+Texans&photo=29827485
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If you are not looking at what caused injury, should you not use same criteria when identifying a player as injury prone? AJ and Schaub have missed almost same amount of games. If either is "prone" so is the other. FWIW, imo neither are prone.
 
BSPN>Kamerion Wimbley, on July 27 he’ll report to Titans training camp with a singular football mission that will require display of the same traits: boost Tennessee's pass rush.
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Yes This story belongs in Texans talk... for 2 reasons.

  1. This two time Loser just inked a $35M contract; $13.5 Guaranteed
    After he was a cap casualty in Oakland, the Titans pounced to add Wimbley, signing him to a five-year, $35 million contract with $13.5 million guaranteed.
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    So, maybe two time loser is a little strong. But, my point is what's Barwin going to command next offseason?
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  2. Why didn't they mention Schaub when Wimbley will be chasing him twice a year.
    Can Wimbley, a healthy Derrick Morgan opposite him on the line, and the coaching of Millard make the Titans’ defense more threatening to passers they’ll face such as Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers?
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    I know it's BSPN & I'm not the most ardent Schaub fan; but I'm offended.​
 
Without a solid secondary, the d-line and even linebackers while talented, will have a hard time getting to the QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yes This story belongs in Texans talk... for 2 reasons.

  1. This two time Loser just inked a $35M contract; $13.5 Guaranteed
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    So, maybe two time loser is a little strong. But, my point is what's Barwin going to command next offseason?
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If we signed Barwin to the same contract, I think that would be flat out highway robbery. Barwin is going to command much more, and deserves it.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
If we signed Barwin to the same contract, I think that would be flat out highway robbery. Barwin is going to command much more, and deserves it.
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Get Barwin the most blinged out electric car...
Get him a "really nice loft" near Downtown....with all the latest bells and whistles......especially anything to do with the internet....
Maybe get him tickets to Paris to watch parts of the Tour de France......
Vip access for him and a guest and access to meet some of the riders.....

You got to think out of the box ........
 
out of of our 3 Divison foes i still think the titans pose the most threat on paper there team is ......the most complete

them going to 9-7 last year i think was pretty good IMO even tho there last game was a gimmie
 
Kuharsky is a pretty mouthy guy. I can barely stomach his chat sessions because he comes across as a guy who would get his clock cleaned if he spoke that way to people in real life.

I get it: He doesn't want to answer stoopid questions, so he gets a bit mouthy and arrogant about it. But hey, Paul, maybe you shouldn't broadcast that ignorant person's question at all??? Ever think of that? Seems simple enough. But I think he loves being a bit of a jerk to people.

His answer to the question of "How long do you think the Texans' reign in the AFCS will last, is it tied to how long Wade Phillips stays in Houston?" was "Let's wait and see if the Texans win it the second year--when they're expected to win it--before we go predicting how long of a reign they will have." I sort of recoiled at that.

He was all sorts of a jerk last year when he said he would never pick them to win the AFCS until they actually DID win the AFCS...and now he's still being a bit petulant about the very same topic. Sour grapes much, IMO.

He should stick to doing blog entries and leave chats to the pros, IMO.
 
And btw, Thunderkyss...this 100% shouldn't be in the Texans Talk forum. Nice rationalizing and justifying, but it doesn't fit.

There was a chat session of Kuharsky's that had many Texans-related items we could have discussed (like I mentioned in my post just before this one) rather than this topic you've chosen. But oh well. It got people talkin' so mission accomplished.
 
Lucky said:
Um, no it belongs the NFL forum. Just like every other thread discussing a NFL team not named the Texans. Same as it ever was.
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well, I intended to further the discussion about locking up Barwin this year. I was pointing to Wimbley's contract as an example of what Barwin will be offered.

Then I was dissappointed that Schaub wasn't mentioned.

Most of this conversation has been about Texans. With a little about a beat writer.
 
thunderkyss said:
well, I intended to further the discussion about locking up Barwin this year. I was pointing to Wimbley's contract as an example of what Barwin will be offered.

Then I was dissappointed that Schaub wasn't mentioned.

Most of this conversation has been about Texans. With a little about a beat writer.
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I don't think Barwin gets resigned. Texans will give big money to LT Brown to keep him here and will probably give Schaub a nice check to stick around. There simply won't be enough money left over to keep Barwin unless he is willing to take a paycut. If barwin has another good season he may jump to the top of the DE/OLB FA class and someone else will likely overpay him.
 
Doppelganger said:
I don't think Barwin gets resigned. Texans will give big money to LT Brown to keep him here and will probably give Schaub a nice check to stick around. There simply won't be enough money left over to keep Barwin unless he is willing to take a paycut. If barwin has another good season he may jump to the top of the DE/OLB FA class and someone else will likely overpay him.
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Can we move this back to the Texans Talk forum?
 
thunderkyss said:
Can we move this back to the Texans Talk forum?
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Why are you doing this?

There is a thread about "Re-Signing Brown, Barwin, etc." and all you had to do was post the snippet about Wimbley into that thread and then comment on it with all your discussion about Barwin's connection to it.

It's like packing. Would you stack little items first, then pile on huge items on top of the tiny items that sit at the bottom of the pickup bed? Or would you put the larger, broader items on the bottom and then gradually add smaller items as layers on top? There is a logical order to packing. There is a logical order to creating threads and placing them in the right forum. It's. Simple.

You created a thread, in the Texans Talk forum, that was an article about another team's player...then you tried to stack on conversation about a Texans player to validate your idea of creating the new thread in the wrong forum.

I just don't get it. I'm all about divergent thinking, but dude....
 
thunderkyss said:
Can we move this back to the Texans Talk forum?
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If you want to talk about Texans stuff and include this article, why not post this in one of the 37 "re-sign Barwin/Brown/Schaub" threads? If you want to discuss the impact Wimbley's contract will have on Barwin, do some homework and find other LB contracts that were recently signed and list them all of comparison. It should be much easier to see where Barwin falls in line, rather than taking one deal and trying to peg his value based upon that.
 
GP said:
Why are you doing this?

There is a thread about "Re-Signing Brown, Barwin, etc." and all you had to do was post the snippet about Wimbley into that thread and then comment on it with all your discussion about Barwin's connection to it.
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Can we merge this one into that thread?
 
Posey's back in H-town per his tweet. I reckon he should be signing soon?

The players before and after Brooks was picked have signed, so I'd expect him to sign soon too
 
This topic is suddenly relevant again

Matt Schaub*- QB -*HOU*- Aug. 27 - 8:18 pm etCBS' Jason La Canfora reports it's "very unlikely" the Texans re-sign free-agent-to-be Matt Schaub before the offseason.The 31-year-old Schaub is making $7.15 million in his walk year. Schaub has had an outstanding preseason, but it's still in the Texans' best interest to make him prove his health and effectiveness during the regular season after a Lisfranc fracture limited him to 10 games in 2011. Schaub will be a strong candidate for the franchise tag.
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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...ngnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=16&line=239224&spln=1

At this point, the uncertainty of Schaub's rehab is nullified. On Saturday against the Saints, he was more confident and sharp since I can remember. From what we've seen of his preseason, we have enough evidence to accurately evaluate the benefits of re-signing him now, and those benefits make an extension a risk worth taking.

If Schaub has even a decent season, his market value will be high. If he continues to play like he has in preseason, it will jump even higher, and retaining him would be cap consuming at a time that Smith will be preparing an extension for Cushing. And what is the contingency plan if Schaub leaves? Yates did not demonstrate enough progress this year, and there are no practical options left. It's foolish to risk burning cap space competing with market offers if there will be no forseeable alternatives to Schaub anyway.
 
Brisco_County said:
This topic is suddenly relevant again



http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...ngnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=16&line=239224&spln=1

At this point, the uncertainty of Schaub's rehab is nullified. On Saturday against the Saints, he was more confident and sharp since I can remember. From what we've seen of his preseason, we have enough evidence to accurately evaluate the benefits of re-signing him now, and those benefits make an extension a risk worth taking.

If Schaub has even a decent season, his market value will be high. If he continues to play like he has in preseason, it will jump even higher, and retaining him would be cap consuming at a time that Smith will be preparing an extension for Cushing. And what is the contingency plan if Schaub leaves? Yates did not demonstrate enough progress this year, and there are no practical options left. It's foolish to risk burning cap space competing with market offers if there will be no forseeable alternatives to Schaub anyway.
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This is a huge concern of mine. I have a feeling Schaub is going to have a big year. I didn't envision that at the end of last year with the injury that he had. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't in this situation.
 
Brisco_County said:
This topic is suddenly relevant again



http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...ngnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=16&line=239224&spln=1

At this point, the uncertainty of Schaub's rehab is nullified. On Saturday against the Saints, he was more confident and sharp since I can remember. From what we've seen of his preseason, we have enough evidence to accurately evaluate the benefits of re-signing him now, and those benefits make an extension a risk worth taking.

If Schaub has even a decent season, his market value will be high. If he continues to play like he has in preseason, it will jump even higher, and retaining him would be cap consuming at a time that Smith will be preparing an extension for Cushing. And what is the contingency plan if Schaub leaves? Yates did not demonstrate enough progress this year, and there are no practical options left. It's foolish to risk burning cap space competing with market offers if there will be no forseeable alternatives to Schaub anyway.
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There is always the franchise tag. Let Schaub prove he can be healthy again for another season and then talk.
 
Brisco_County said:
This topic is suddenly relevant again



http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...ngnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=16&line=239224&spln=1

At this point, the uncertainty of Schaub's rehab is nullified. On Saturday against the Saints, he was more confident and sharp since I can remember. From what we've seen of his preseason, we have enough evidence to accurately evaluate the benefits of re-signing him now, and those benefits make an extension a risk worth taking.

If Schaub has even a decent season, his market value will be high. If he continues to play like he has in preseason, it will jump even higher, and retaining him would be cap consuming at a time that Smith will be preparing an extension for Cushing. And what is the contingency plan if Schaub leaves? Yates did not demonstrate enough progress this year, and there are no practical options left. It's foolish to risk burning cap space competing with market offers if there will be no forseeable alternatives to Schaub anyway.
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I think Schaub will stay to play for team that he is familiar with and playoff contention team like the Texans. His got a lots of weapon to play with and not to mention a chemistry between Schaub and the other O players. Now if he wants obscene kind of money, this will be a different story. Didn't he negotiated his contract a few years ago to give the Texans for an extra cap room? If I recall correctly on this, he is likely to stay with the Texans.

Yates looked to me more comfortable than last year to me. Of course, this doesn't mean he can be an immediate starter. But, he looks better than last year to me.

Go Texans!!!
 
It's obvious Schaub wants to be a Texan, I agree maybe wait to see how he plays and finish's the whole season before giving him a contract. I would really like to see him or Barwin get a deal so we can focus on Which ever one didn't get the contract plus James Casey and GQ have to resign. If we do have 24mil to work with before cuts and restructuring of contracts we should have the cash for them all right?
 
QB franchise tag this year is around $19MM. With the new Brees and Manning deals it will likely be higher next year, or just around that number. There is zero chance the Texans franchise Schaub. If there are no setbacks healthwise during the season, he'll sign an extension at some point after the season ends and before free agency.
 
Is it just me, or are new replies not showing up in this thread?

Edit: NVM, new page finally showed up. Not sure what happened here....

Anyways, John Clayton projected the 2013 cap space for all 32 teams in an article. The Houston part was before the Duane Brown signing, although we don't know how the money is structured yet.

The interesting part of the 2013 cap is that the AFC has room up top, particularly the AFC South. To keep their offense together during the Peyton Manning years, the Colts were always tight against the cap. Before a Luck deal, they led the NFL in 2013 with $43 million of room. Houston Texans general manager Rick Smith had a tough 2012, deciding to keep Arian Foster and Chris Myers, but it cost the Texans Eric Winston and Mario Williams. The Texans are fifth on the list with $24.8 million of room.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8016480/nfl-salary-cap-carryover-rewards-smart-management

It's from June 7th, so it may have changed a bit since then, but it should give us a ballpark figure to work with. Say 14 million is still available going into 2013, is that enough to re-sign Schaub and sign the new rookies? Do we need to make more cuts to save salary? Can we re-sign Barwin, Quin and/or McCain?
 
Dutchrudder said:
Is it just me, or are new replies not showing up in this thread?
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I had the same problem until just now.

paycheck71 said:
QB franchise tag this year is around $19MM. With the new Brees and Manning deals it will likely be higher next year, or just around that number. There is zero chance the Texans franchise Schaub. If there are no setbacks healthwise during the season, he'll sign an extension at some point after the season ends and before free agency.
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Actually, there are two type of franchise tags - Exclusive (which was what was placed on Drew Brees), and non-exclusive. As the label implies, the exclusive tag prohibits other teams from negotiating with anyone that has it placed on them, and it is more expensive than the non-exclusive tag. The non-exclusive tag (which is what Schaub would likely receive) lets other teams negotiate and make an offer, gives the franchising team the opportunity to match any accepted offer, and to receive two first round picks if they don't match. For 2012, the non-exclusive QB franchise tag amount was $14.4 Million, which was actually down from 2011. I'm guessing it doesn't go up much - if at all - in 2012.
 
paycheck71 said:
Yeah, this thread is malfunctioning. Page 10 just now showed up for me.
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Exactly was wondering what was going on earlier. Anyways back to the discussion Dutch confirmed to me we should have about 14mil before cuts and restructuring after just signing Dbo so looks like we should have the money to resign are key pieces in my opinion
 
ChampionTexan said:
Actually, there are two type of franchise tags - Exclusive (which was what was placed on Drew Brees), and non-exclusive. As the label implies, the exclusive tag prohibits other teams from negotiating with anyone that has it placed on them, and it is more expensive than the non-exclusive tag. The non-exclusive tag (which is what Schaub would likely receive) lets other teams negotiate and make an offer, gives the franchising team the opportunity to match any accepted offer, and to receive two first round picks if they don't match. For 2012, the non-exclusive QB franchise tag amount was $14.4 Million, which was actually down from 2011. I'm guessing it doesn't go up much - if at all - in 2012.
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Thanks for the clarification. Didn't know that. $14.4 is obviously more acceptable.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Is it just me, or are new replies not showing up in this thread?

Edit: NVM, new page finally showed up. Not sure what happened here....

Anyways, John Clayton projected the 2013 cap space for all 32 teams in an article. The Houston part was before the Duane Brown signing, although we don't know how the money is structured yet.



http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8016480/nfl-salary-cap-carryover-rewards-smart-management

It's from June 7th, so it may have changed a bit since then, but it should give us a ballpark figure to work with. Say 14 million is still available going into 2013, is that enough to re-sign Schaub and sign the new rookies? Do we need to make more cuts to save salary? Can we re-sign Barwin, Quin and/or McCain?
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More cuts are probably a given. I predict Antonio Smith and Kevin Walter will be cut. I think we will see Crick take over at DE for Smith and Jean will slide in for Walter. If necessary, Wade Smith may also be a cap casualty.

I would resign Barwin and Schaub(if he has a good injury free year) and cut Antonio Smith, Wade Smith, and Kevin Walter. I would resign Quinn and not resign McCain(due to financial reasons).

2014 free agents who may need extensions in 2013 include Ben Tate, Brian Cushing, Earl Mitchell, and Daryl Sharpton.
 
Doppelganger said:
More cuts are probably a given. I predict Antonio Smith and Kevin Walter will be cut. I think we will see Crick take over at DE for Smith and Jean will slide in for Walter. If necessary, Wade Smith may also be a cap casualty.

I would resign Barwin and Schaub(if he has a good injury free year) and cut Antonio Smith, Wade Smith, and Kevin Walter. I would resign Quinn and not resign McCain(due to financial reasons).

2014 free agents who may need extensions in 2013 include Ben Tate, Brian Cushing, Earl Mitchell, and Daryl Sharpton.
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Yeah, I'm not quite ready to say which guys are on their way out next year, but Walter, A Smith, W Smith and OD are the best candidates to be cut. It all depends on how they perform this year.

I expect that Earl Mitchell and Daryl Sharpton will be minimum deal guys. I don't think either will elicit an offer above that around the league, so we can probably keep them if we want to. Sharpton may be out for good though. Ben Tate will probably get at least 5 million a year for 4 years, from a RB needy team. I'm hoping we trade him next year for a 2nd and find another plug-and-play RB in the draft. Cushing won't be going anywhere, he will be franchise tagged at the very least. He should get about 7 million a year, so I hope we have that much available for him.
 
To cut Antonio is ridiculous your under selling him badly.Walter yes can see him getting cut and McCain, we can replace him with Harris if he continues his good play and cut wade Smith that's a no no brooks isn't even ready to be starter he is too raw and can't even keep his weight in check smh
 
Doppelganger said:
More cuts are probably a given. I predict Antonio Smith and Kevin Walter will be cut. I think we will see Crick take over at DE for Smith and Jean will slide in for Walter. If necessary, Wade Smith may also be a cap casualty.

I would resign Barwin and Schaub(if he has a good injury free year) and cut Antonio Smith, Wade Smith, and Kevin Walter. I would resign Quinn and not resign McCain(due to financial reasons).

2014 free agents who may need extensions in 2013 include Ben Tate, Brian Cushing, Earl Mitchell, and Daryl Sharpton.
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No way do we cut Smith this year, too many injuries and we need the veteran up front, still very young in our front 7 and with the lost of Ryans.. We need a bit of experience.
 
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