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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

Vinny said:
He threw for around 7000 yards and 52 TD's his last two years at the Bolts...I know my football and I'm fairly positive they would have resigned him based on commentary and scuttlebutt. The shoulder problem and being at the end of his first contract just made them go to Rivers instead of gamble with a big contract going for possibly damaged goods.
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Besides, they already had one big money QB (6 yrs, $40 Mil) on the roster in Rivers. So when Brees got hurt AND was at the end of his contract - they franchised him the previous year - that made letting him walk that much easier.

Had Brees not gotten hurt, it would have been interesting to see if they really would have re-signed Brees and, therefore, kept two high-dollar QBs on the roster.
 
Vinny said:
He threw for around 7000 yards and 52 TD's his last two years at the Bolts...I know my football and I'm fairly positive they would have resigned him based on commentary and scuttlebutt. The shoulder problem and being at the end of his first contract just made them go to Rivers instead of gamble with a big contract going for possibly damaged goods.
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Yup. People are forgetting how serious the shoulder concerns were. To put it in perspective, Miami took Culpepper over Brees because of the injury concern and Culpepper himself was coming off a brutal knee injury from which he never recovered.

ObsiWan said:
Besides, they already had one big money QB (6 yrs, $40 Mil) on the roster in Rivers. So when Brees got hurt AND was at the end of his contract - they franchised him the previous year - that made letting him walk that much easier.

Had Brees not gotten hurt, it would have been interesting to see if they really would have re-signed Brees and, therefore, kept two high-dollar QBs on the roster.
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Someone would have gotten traded and for serious compensation.
 
Vinny said:
Brees played well in San Diego but it was his shoulder surgery that expedited his exit if I'm remembering correctly. The Bolts were in position to take Rivers (The Charger coaching staff coached the Sr bowl that year) and Schotty's crew was in love with him so they took him and let go of the guy with the injury question mark.
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The way I remember it, there were actually TWO pinch points.

Mike Riley drafted Brees in 2001 and he didn't play at all. Then he was the starter in 2002 and 2003 and he wasn't living up to expectations. He went 2-9 as a starter in 2003 and only threw for 2000ish yards. So then Schottenheimer drafted Rivers. But Brees came out in 2004 killing it-- two straight 3000+ yard seasons, 11-4 one year, but only 9-7 the next.

That's when he hurt his shoulder. Rivers had sat on the bench for two years at that point and was champing at the bit and Brees' shoulder injury made their decision a lot easier. If Brees' last two games with the Chargers had been better than 150-160 yards passing and if they had won those two games and made it into the playoffs instead of fading at the end and missing out, he might still have been a Charger.

But that shoulder injury gave them the perfect excuse to get rid of him. They weren't tied to him like they were to Rivers.
 
ObsiWan said:
My point was - and is - you don't know what the hell you're gonna end up with until they get out on the field, in your system, playing against NFL defenses, at NFL speed. So this "just go get a franchise QB" attitude is misguided and fueled by the goofy-a$$ed talking heads. They throw that word around way too much for my tastes.

Let's look at 1st round QBs drafted starting with 2004 and see what the success rate looks like.... How many actual "franchise QBs" are in this group? Twenty-seven first rounders, I see maybe 6 - 7 franchise guys. How many do you guys see?
2004
Eli Manning (#1)
Phillip Rivers (#4)
Ben Roethlisberger (#11)
J. P. Losman (#22)
2005
Alex Smith (#1)
Aaron Rodgers (#24)
Jason Campbell (#25)
2006
Vince Young (#3)
Matt Leinart (#10)
Jay Cutler (#11)
2007
JaMarcus Russell (#1)
Brady Quinn (#22)
2008
Matt Ryan (#3)
Joe Flacco (#11)
2009
Matthew Stafford (#1)
Mark Sanchez (#5)
Josh Freeman (#17)
2010
Sam Bradford (#1)
Tim Tebow (#25)
2011
Cam Newton (#1)
Jake Locker (#8)
Blaine Gabbert (#10)
Christian Ponder (#12)
2012
Andrew Luck (#1)
Robert Griffin (#2)
Ryan Tannehill (#8)
Brandon Weeden (#22)
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Franchise QB

Potential Franchise QB

I know some people will disagree with Stafford and Cutler, but they would be the unquestioned starter on any of the teams that didn't have one of the other guys in green. My definition of franchise QB may also be different from the consensus idea. I think a franchise QB is a guy who is good enough that you can build a consistent championship contending team around him.
 
Vinny said:
Brees played well in San Diego but it was his shoulder surgery that expedited his exit if I'm remembering correctly. The Bolts were in position to take Rivers (The Charger coaching staff coached the Sr bowl that year) and Schotty's crew was in love with him so they took him and let go of the guy with the injury question mark.
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That was probably the "luckiest" fumble ever to ever happen. You may not remember, but on the play that he injured his shoulder, he fumbled.......tried to stretch out and reach for the lost ball........then, with his arm outstretched, about 3 or 4 of the D's players landed right on that shoulder, dislocating it ...........he went on to surgery.............then on to greatness.
 
bah007 said:
Franchise QB

Potential Franchise QB

I know some people will disagree with Stafford and Cutler, but they would be the unquestioned starter on any of the teams that didn't have one of the other guys in green. My definition of franchise QB may also be different from the consensus idea. I think a franchise QB is a guy who is good enough that you can build a consistent championship contending team around him.
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True dat !
 
bah007 said:
Franchise QB

Potential Franchise QB

I know some people will disagree with Stafford and Cutler, but they would be the unquestioned starter on any of the teams that didn't have one of the other guys in green. My definition of franchise QB may also be different from the consensus idea. I think a franchise QB is a guy who is good enough that you can build a consistent championship contending team around him.
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No respect for Alex Smith .... All he's done is put up 10+win seasons the last three , even after changing teams.
 
Originally Posted by bah007
My definition of franchise QB may also be different from the consensus idea. I think a franchise QB is a guy who is good enough that you can build a consistent championship contending team around him.
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Corrosion said:
No respect for Alex Smith .... All he's done is put up 10+win seasons the last three , even after changing teams.
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thunderkyss said:
I agree. All he does is win.


:kitten:
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If consistent, solid, "don't blow the damned game", play is your definition of "franchise" then the Alex Smith of the past 3-4 years fits that definition.
and I'm not playin' :)
 
ObsiWan said:
If consistent, solid, "don't blow the damned game", play is your definition of "franchise" then the Alex Smith of the past 3-4 years fits that definition.
and I'm not playin' :)
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He was money in the play-offs 3 years ago. More than just a "don't screw it up game manager"
 
thunderkyss said:
He was money in the play-offs 3 years ago. More than just a "don't screw it up game manager"
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Oh I agree. He was good enough that the Walrus installed him as the starter of a 2-14 team and, by so doing, made them a playoff team. He has to be a bit better than a "don't screw it up" QB to pull that off.
 
ObsiWan said:
If consistent, solid, "don't blow the damned game", play is your definition of "franchise" then the Alex Smith of the past 3-4 years fits that definition.
and I'm not playin' :)
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That fits my definition much better than inconsistent, undecisive and "blows the damned game" does. :kitten:
 
DocBar said:
That fits my definition much better than inconsistent, undecisive and "blows the damned game" does. :kitten:
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Funny. I think of Romo as a franchise QB, though he isn't elite. The traits you mention fit Romo to a T. So I don't know how I define "franchise QB" to be honest.

When I think of the Dallas Cowboys, I think Romo. They've been a mediocre franchise because Tony Romo can't get to that next step. Tony is the franchise.

Doesn't make sense, I know it. But Romo is a franchise QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Funny. I think of Romo as a franchise QB, though he isn't elite. The traits you mention fit Romo to a T. So I don't know how I define "franchise QB" to be honest.

When I think of the Dallas Cowboys, I think Romo. They've been a mediocre franchise because Tony Romo can't get to that next step. Tony is the franchise.

Doesn't make sense, I know it. But Romo is a franchise QB.
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Personally, I don't like the term "franchise QB." To me, it just means a starter that could take you all the way with a less than stellar team, a guy that you wouldn't trade for anyone other than a few elite QBs, if anyone. But to other people, it means different things and who you would trade for Drew Brees and who I would trade for Drew Brees would be different groups of people.

So it's just a beauty contest type of term depending on the eye of the beholder and not anything objective.
 
thunderkyss said:
Funny. I think of Romo as a franchise QB, though he isn't elite. The traits you mention fit Romo to a T. So I don't know how I define "franchise QB" to be honest.

When I think of the Dallas Cowboys, I think Romo. They've been a mediocre franchise because Tony Romo can't get to that next step. Tony is the franchise.

Doesn't make sense, I know it. But Romo is a franchise QB.
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I think Romo would be elite if he was on a less dysfunctional team. IMHO, the Cowboy's are mediocre and will continue to be mediocre because of Jerrah Jones. That man is a train wreck of an owner and has absolutely no business playing GM of a Pop Warner team, much less an NFL franchise.

It doesn't help that Jones went out and paid Romo a ridiculous amount of money. Adds even more pressure to Romo and screws up the slary cap.
 
Let's not get those terms twisted up.

Franchise is not equivalent to Elite,

For example Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, and even Tony Romo are all franchise QBs. None of them are what I'd consider elite.

Elite, for me, means you're a Hall of Fame candidate. Today's elite QBs are P. Manning, T. Brady, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers. For me that's the list.
 
ObsiWan said:
Let's not get those terms twisted up.

Franchise is not equivalent to Elite,

For example Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, and even Tony Romo are all franchise QBs. None of them are what I'd consider elite.

Elite, for me, means you're a Hall of Fame candidate. Today's elite QBs are P. Manning, T. Brady, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers. For me that's the list.
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Best explaination I've seen from anyone.:thumbup
 
A writer for the Baltimore Sun says that the Ravens are keeping their eye on Yates. He states this as fact without citing sources. Keenum is mentioned, but we know who Gary would prefer in his system.

The Ravens also are keeping an eye on the Houston Texans’ quarterback situation with either T.J. Yates or Case Keenum, who both have familiarity with Gary Kubiak’s offense, possibly getting their release after the draft. The Ravens would be intrigued, especially by Yates.
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Link
 
The Ravens can have Yates. But I would still like to see Keenum playing for the Texans in 2014. We will have to wait and see what O'Brien thinks. It will be interesting to see how the 2014 season unfolds under this new regime.
 
Tampa Bay - Adam Caplan of ESPN thinks QB Mike Glennon is "as good as gone" and that the Buccaneers are going to try to move him.

Why It Matters - Glennon was actually very efficient for a rookie, with a 19-9 TD-INT ratio in 13 starts, and one of the ten best rookie passer ratings of first-year quarterbacks who started at least five games. He is probably worth at least the third round pick Tampa used to draft him last year, but with the league knowing they are done with him in the event of an early quarterback pick, they might have to settle for a third-day pick. Glennon could be a steal with his arrow pointing in the right direction despite a new regime that seems lack confidence in his future.
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Anyone like Glennon any less than Mettenberger / Savage / Garoppolo / etc?

He fits what we are led to believe O'Brien's prototype is. I'd love to bring him in.
 
I would take him over Savage but not Mettenberger or Garoppolo unless the draft pick we give up is a 4th or later. Our 3rd this year is too high to give up.
 
Brisco_County said:
A writer for the Baltimore Sun says that the Ravens are keeping their eye on Yates. He states this as fact without citing sources. Keenum is mentioned, but we know who Gary would prefer in his system.



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Dear, Lord!!!! This board would explode if we could get a draft pick out of the Ravens for Yates!!! Then I would lobby the NFL to have the Ravens put in the AFC South. LOL

I keep going back and forth on the 1.1 pick if we don't trade. Part of me says take the sure money and get Robertson and part of me says to hell with it. Roll the dice on JFF. Boom or bust, it'll be one helluva ride!! Just go into knowing the risk.
 
I am of the opinion that only three QB's will go in the first round of the draft. So either Bridgewater or Carr will be there at 33. If DC is there I take him and he starts at some point in the season. If TB is there I take a QB later and let him be a back-up for a year.

Either way Fitz is the starter day one ...
 
kingtexan said:
I am of the opinion that only three QB's will go in the first round of the draft. So either Bridgewater or Carr will be there at 33. If DC is there I take him and he starts at some point in the season. If TB is there I take a QB later and let him be a back-up for a year.

Either way Fitz is the starter day one ...
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Yeah Clowney and Carr would be ideal what a haul
 
texanskan said:
Some dude on twitter said the Texans just traded for him? Can someone confirm who has time to look it up?
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Tom Curran, a Boston head, tweeted that a deal is almost done for him. He is the only person saying this so far. Grain of salt needed, I reckon
 
Now he's saying this. lol, dude, just shutup

Tom E. Curran ‏@tomecurran · 5m
Second source says nothing doing at the moment on Mallett to Houston. We'll watch how it plays out. Makes sense if Clowney is No. 1.
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Jason La Canfora
@ JasonLaCanfora

From what I am gathering, Pats don't have
anything going with the Texans on Mallett
right now. We shall see
 
Yep. Just heard that we are supposedly really close on a deal for Mallett...Which I'm fine with but kind of wanted to move up in the draft for TB late in first.

But I do like Mallett
 
What are the Texans giving up? 3rd round pick?

Clowney has to be the pick now.
 
gwallaia said:
What are the Texans giving up? 3rd round pick?

Clowney has to be the pick now.
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It was BS. Nothing is presently going on between the Texans and Pats

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora · 16m
From what I am gathering, Pats don't have anything going with the Texans on Mallett right now. We shall see
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Question. Why give up anything higher than a 3rd for Mallet? What has he done to prove he's worth higher than where he was originally picked? All we know for sure is he's older and his rookie contract is about to expire. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd for him, I'll be disappointed.


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HOU-TEX said:
It was BS. Nothing is presently going on between the Texans and Pats
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I doubt it is BS... It is a local, Boston reporter saying he has a source... Particularly with New England, the local guys are going to hear things before the national guys... And, if the guy is trying to simply stir up something, why would he choose to start a rumor about a backup QB on draft day... Not saying it is happening, but it makes sense there are ongoing talks.
 
Playoffs said:
Might not be completely dead this year. Something contingent on prospect availability at 3-1 or 4-1 could still be possible...

If not this year, Mallett could certainly be OB's fallback plan for 2015 as a free agent if whatever we do now doesn't pan out.
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Mentioned this as a possibility a while back. I think 4-1 at best, and only if NE drafts a QB beforehand--they only have the two.

The source of the rumor has backed off a bit...


Tom E Curran @tomecurran
Second source says nothing doing at the moment on Mallett to Houston. We'll watch how it plays out. Makes sense if Clowney is No. 1.
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dalemurphy said:
I doubt it is BS... It is a local, Boston reporter saying he has a source... Particularly with New England, the local guys are going to hear things before the national guys... And, if the guy is trying to simply stir up something, why would he choose to start a rumor about a backup QB on draft day... Not saying it is happening, but it makes sense there are ongoing talks.
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It may eventually happen, but currently, talks of there being a trade in place is BS. The Boston guy, Curran, has already stated as much.
 
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