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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

Scooter said:
value. there has become an established "big 3", but from all i've seen and heard, there's not much of dropoff from 1 to 8(ish). if you're getting similar potential with similar questions, it goes from "face of the franchise" to "acceptable risk" in the 2nd or even 3rd round.
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I understand the concept, I just disagree with it. To me giving up on a player who will almost certainly start and may be a star is too high a price for an "acceptable risk" QB whose greatest redeeming quality is that the QBs who will be taken in front of him (which by the way means there still is a drop off) aren't much better. The reasons for drafting a player should be about that player more than the lack of talent at his position.

One player who might be an exception is Murray who would probably rank significantly higher but for his height and knee injury. If you think he is a 1st round talent who is slipping to the 4th and are not as concerned about his height then that's the kind of thing that makes for an acceptable risk to me. That's a value move IMO.

* One of the reasons I liked Mallett when he was being discussed was he was a similar value pick - a 1st round talent who fell because of off field conduct concerns.
 
I can't shake off this terrible feeling we will draft clowney and a crappy QB.
I don't know if I can stand a season watching two DE with this expression on their face after Yet Another QB Fail


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Sigma said:
I can't shake off this terrible feeling we will draft clowney and a crappy QB.

I don't know if I can stand a season watching two DE with this expression on their face after Yet Another QB Fail





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You have that feeling because you're used to Kubiak's Texans. We have a new coach. I'm willing to sit back and give O'Brien some leeway for a while.


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infantrycak said:
I understand the concept, I just disagree with it. To me giving up on a player who will almost certainly start and may be a star is too high a price for an "acceptable risk" QB whose greatest redeeming quality is that the QBs who will be taken in front of him (which by the way means there still is a drop off) aren't much better. The reasons for drafting a player should be about that player more than the lack of talent at his position.

One player who might be an exception is Murray who would probably rank significantly higher but for his height and knee injury. If you think he is a 1st round talent who is slipping to the 4th and are not as concerned about his height then that's the kind of thing that makes for an acceptable risk to me. That's a value move IMO.

* One of the reasons I liked Mallett when he was being discussed was he was a similar value pick - a 1st round talent who fell because of off field conduct concerns.
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I agree with this. I also wouldn't be surprised if the 32 teams don't all have the same three guys at the top of the QB rankings. Someone out there has Murray at #1, some of them have Mettenberger at #1. It's no secret that I have McCarron as the #1 QB in this draft.

You mentioned Mallet, Belichick said they thought he was the #1 QB in that draft... may have been coach speak, may have been that he made his list knowing full well which QBs would be available to him.

There's too many ways to look at it. But bottom line, just because the internet says Bridgewater, Manziel, & Bortles are the best QB prospects in this draft, doesn't mean the 32 teams that will be picking QBs agree. If I thought Tom Savage was the best QB in this draft, I'd be excited that no one is even talking about him & I may be able to get him as late as the 5th round.
 
Sigma said:
I can't shake off this terrible feeling we will draft clowney and a crappy QB.
I don't know if I can stand a season watching two DE with this expression on their face after Yet Another QB Fail
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I wouldn't worry too much about that. There are a lot of good prospects available in this draft. Write yourself a list of all the best qualities that you'd like to see in a QB prospect & look at the mix of those qualities that you get with the top three; Bortles, Manziel, & Bridgewater.

You'll find a very comparable mix in QBs that will be available later in this draft; Metenberger, Murray, Garoppolo, Fales, Shaw, Matthews.

Murray, for instance, has been a better QB than Matthew Stafford at Georgia & he's being viewed in the third round or later. You'd think that 1st & 2nd round QBs would then be better prospects than Stafford, but they're not. I can't think of one QB in this draft that I would take hands down over Stafford.
 
Interest in Aaron Murray

A dozen NFL clubs have shown more interest in Georgia quarterback Aaron Murray than others, and not surprisingly, the Cincinnati Bengals are among them. The club's reported interest in Murray as a potential successor to starter Andy Dalton, however, is just one of many possible destinations for one of college football's most prolific passers.

According to ajc.com, other clubs eyeing the projected second- or third-day draft prospect include the Jacksonville Jaguars, Arizona Cardinals, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, St. Louis Rams, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texans, Dallas Cowboys, Oakland Raiders, Tennessee Titans and Kansas City Chiefs. That doesn't exactly narrow the field too much, but it does represent a collection of clubs that either have an immediate need for a quarterback, or in most other cases, could use a young understudy.
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thunderkyss said:
I agree with this. I also wouldn't be surprised if the 32 teams don't all have the same three guys at the top of the QB rankings. Someone out there has Murray at #1, some of them have Mettenberger at #1. It's no secret that I have McCarron as the #1 QB in this draft.

You mentioned Mallet, Belichick said they thought he was the #1 QB in that draft... may have been coach speak, may have been that he made his list knowing full well which QBs would be available to him.

There's too many ways to look at it. But bottom line, just because the internet says Bridgewater, Manziel, & Bortles are the best QB prospects in this draft, doesn't mean the 32 teams that will be picking QBs agree. If I thought Tom Savage was the best QB in this draft, I'd be excited that no one is even talking about him & I may be able to get him as late as the 5th round.
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And then this year Jaworski has said that Manziel was not even a QB worthy of the first 3 rounds, but then "moved him up" to the third round based on his widely acclaimed PD. One might think that sounds crazy, but don't we agree that Jaws knows more, probably much more about QBs than people like McShay & Kiper who both have Manziel going high in the first round ?
Last year most had USCs Matt Barkley going in first or second round, right ? Eventually the Eagles took him in the fourth round.
Conventional thinking is often off mark also in the NFL Draft.
 
IDEXAN said:
One might think that sounds crazy, but don't we agree that Jaws knows more, probably much more about QBs than people like McShay & Kiper who both have Manziel going high in the first round ?
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Not at all. I don't think Jaworski has spent any time evaluating college prospects. I don't think he's spent any time talking to teams or scouts to even know what teams are looking for in a QB.

He was a "successful" QB, ask him to read defenses & share how he handled certain aspects of the game, sure. But he's not a coach, not a QB expert, not a scout.

Jaws knows how he did it, that doesn't make him an expert on the way Manning does it, or Brees, or Tarkenton, or Monatana, or Manziel.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not at all. I don't think Jaworski has spent any time evaluating college prospects. I don't think he's spent any time talking to teams or scouts to even know what teams are looking for in a QB.
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You base all this on what?

He was a "successful" QB, ask him to read defenses & share how he handled certain aspects of the game, sure. But he's not a coach, not a QB expert, not a scout.

Jaws knows how he did it, that doesn't make him an expert on the way Manning does it, or Brees, or Tarkenton, or Monatana, or Manziel.
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Jaws spends tons of tape time and very cogently explains a lot of things. Not sure where you get not even a QB expert from or that he has no insight into QBs other than his own play.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not at all. I don't think Jaworski has spent any time evaluating college prospects. I don't think he's spent any time talking to teams or scouts to even know what teams are looking for in a QB.
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I would hope he could draw his own conclusions about the NFL potential of college QB prospects based most of all from studying their game tape, not from visiting with others. In other words, Jaws is an askee, not an askor.
What do you base your criticisms of Jaws on, and if not Jaws, who do you consider a talented QB evaluator ? Grueden ? Mayoc ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I would hope he could draw his own conclusions about the NFL potential of college QB prospects based most of all from studying their game tape, not from visiting with others. In other words, Jaws is an askee, not an askor.
What do you base your criticisms of Jaws on, and if not Jaws, who do you consider a talented QB evaluator ? Grueden ? Mayoc ?
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We can all draw our own conclusions. My point, just because Jaws was a fairly successful QB doesn't make him an expert, or even qualified in evaluating QBs. I'd take a guy like Kubiak over Jaws anyday... but not many of those guys make it to TV.

If Jaws wants to share his experience in the NFL & relate what was going on for him when he was in the huddle, that's great. I think that adds to the production part of an NFL game.

But I think he often oversteps his bounds & tries to pass himself off in capacities he has no reason sticking his nose in. For instance, I remember very vividly a game he & Chucky were broadcasting. Belichick decided to go for it on 4th & short inside the 20. Didn't make it & Jaws was going on & on about how dumb that was. After several minutes, Chucky chimed in.... "we are talking about Bill Belichick, I think he's earned the right to make that call."

I like our draftniks better than the national medias & take their word more so than I do the McShays or the Kipers, or the Mayocks.... but if we're talking Jaws or Kiper on what's actually involved when reading a zone dog, I'm going with Jaws. When I want to know what the scouts & NFL insiders think about college prospects, I'm going with Mayock (or Kiper/McShay, etc...)
 
thunderkyss said:
We can all draw our own conclusions. My point, just because Jaws was a fairly successful QB doesn't make him an expert, or even qualified in evaluating QBs. I'd take a guy like Kubiak over Jaws anyday... but not many of those guys make it to TV.

If Jaws wants to share his experience in the NFL & relate what was going on for him when he was in the huddle, that's great. I think that adds to the production part of an NFL game.

But I think he often oversteps his bounds & tries to pass himself off in capacities he has no reason sticking his nose in.
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So Jaws' knowledge stops in 1976? He hasn't learned anything being part owner of an AFL team and almost 30 years of broadcast experience and tape analysis? That seems reasonable.
 
Jaworski is eminently qualified to gauge QB prospects. He played the position at the highest level and gets paid to do same with NFL QBs in NFL Match-up, Sunday Countdown, and Monday Night Countdown and can run circles around the likes of Kiper/McShay/Mayock.

If I had any complaint it's I think he holds back on negative comments.
 
Just say you disagree with him TKyss..Don't have to belittle his credentials...

Because he's obviously more 'qualified' than anyone here. Doesn't make him right though.
 
infantrycak said:
So Jaws' knowledge stops in 1976? He hasn't learned anything being part owner of an AFL team and almost 30 years of broadcast experience and tape analysis? That seems reasonable.
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That's not what I said. Not at all. If you believe that makes him qualified to evaluate NFL QB prospects.... fine. I'm not going to argue with you.

I don't think Rich Eisen would try to pass himself off as a QB scout.

I don't think Peyton Manning would pass himself off as a food critic.

& I don't think we'll be seeing John Elway review automobiles for JD Power & associates.

He's no more qualified than John McClain or anyone else who's been watching the NFL for the last 30 years.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's not what I said. Not at all. If you believe that makes him qualified to evaluate NFL QB prospects.... fine. I'm not going to argue with you.

I don't think Rich Eisen would try to pass himself off as a QB scout.

I don't think Peyton Manning would pass himself off as a food critic.

& I don't think we'll be seeing John Elway review automobiles for JD Power & associates.

He's no more qualified than John McClain or anyone else who's been watching the NFL for the last 30 years.
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As King said, just say you disagree with Jaw's take. No need to attempt to discredit him. Your argument - and not just yours but ANY argument - is much, much less strong when you have to fall back on attacking the thinker instead of countering their thought process(es) point for point.
 
ObsiWan said:
As King said, just say you disagree with Jaw's take. No need to attempt to discredit him. Your argument - and not just yours but ANY argument - is much, much less strong when you have to fall back on attacking the thinker instead of countering their thought process(es) point for point.
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How about you post in whatever manner you feel appropriate & I do the same. & FYI, my post was not an attempt to discredit anyone, nor an attack on jaws, but fit within the context of the discussion.

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IDEXAN said:
One might think that sounds crazy, but don't we agree that Jaws knows more, probably much more about QBs than people like McShay & Kiper who both have Manziel going high in the first round ?
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Not at all. I don't think Jaworski has spent any time evaluating college prospects. I don't think he's spent any time talking to teams or scouts to even know what teams are looking for in a QB.

He was a "successful" QB, ask him to read defenses & share how he handled certain aspects of the game, sure. But he's not a coach, not a QB expert, not a scout.

Jaws knows how he did it, that doesn't make him an expert on the way Manning does it, or Brees, or Tarkenton, or Monatana, or Manziel.
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I don't agree that Jaws knows more about QBs than people like McShay & Kipper, no more than I think Tebow, Vick, or Ryan Fitzpatrick does. I'll take beerlover's, rmartin, kiwitexansfan's & many others opinion of Manziel before I take Kipers & I'll take Kiper's opinion before I take Jaws...

that's just the way it is. Sorry you don't feel the same way... actually, I'm not. That's just how it is.
 
thunderkyss said:
How about you post in whatever manner you feel appropriate & I do the same. & FYI, my post was not an attempt to discredit anyone, nor an attack on jaws, but fit within the context of the discussion.
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Fair enough.
thunderkyss said:
I don't agree that Jaws knows more about QBs than people like McShay & Kipper, no more than I think Tebow, Vick, or Ryan Fitzpatrick does. I'll take beerlover's, rmartin, kiwitexansfan's & many others opinion of Manziel before I take Kipers & I'll take Kiper's opinion before I take Jaws...

that's just the way it is. Sorry you don't feel the same way... actually, I'm not. That's just how it is.
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No need to be sorry. We just have different viewpoints on this item; no big whoop. Everyone has their own dataset(s) they take stock in. They've all have their hits and misses. And the truth is that we won't know who was/is closer to being spot on until player X takes the field in the NFL.

sorry to come off so preachy.
 
The Hammer said:
What do you think of this:

http://www.gotitans.com/threads/obrien-houston-texans-will-draft-a-qb-maybe-two.91373/

It looks like Obrien wants to draft two QBs.
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In the context and how he stated it, it didn't tell us anything about who our quarterback would be, where in the rounds he would be chosen or if there would definitely be two chosen. He's said in the past he intends to take TJ and Case into TC............that's when we find out what his grand plan is. TJ, Case, Ryan, whomever we pick in the Draft........anyone of them could end up our starter, although OB has made comments to make us believe that the Draftee will sit, watch and develop before there is any consideration to put him in.
 
Playoffs said:
I have this feeling we're going to be a bit blindsided by who OB tabs at QB if we go elsewhere at 1-1. I'm not seeing Garopolo.
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You know where I stand on that.

However, with the other talent in this draft that we can get with our 2nd/3rd/4th round picks & plenty of 5th/6th/7th rounders to package & trade up, I don't know if there's enough value to take a QB that would give us the upgrade we need over Tj & Case.

Even my guy. I think he can be a productive starter, but I don't think he'll be a franchise guy, or an Andrew Luck "equalizer" I think Manziel has that kind of potential, but unless he's there at the top of the 2nd, I don't see the risk/reward value I'd like to see to pull the trigger.

Now if we're going to take a QB in this draft as a future starter, for me it's Aj then Murray with our 2-1. If we're going to go BPA those guys would have to be there in the middle of the third for me to say, "I can't pass" on them.

If I had my rathers, I hope they're clearing cap room to offer Mallet a starters contract ~$7 to $9M a year, 1st year's cap around $5M.

Other than that..... I'm warming to the idea of best of Fitzpatrick/Yates/Keenum.


  1. Clowney
  2. Yankey
  3. Best OT

I wouldn't mind something like that.
 
Sigma said:
I can't shake off this terrible feeling we will draft clowney and a crappy QB.
I don't know if I can stand a season watching two DE with this expression on their face after Yet Another QB Fail


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I think you better get used to that look if Ryan Fitzpatrick is the starter.

IDEXAN said:
And then this year Jaworski has said that Manziel was not even a QB worthy of the first 3 rounds, but then "moved him up" to the third round based on his widely acclaimed PD. One might think that sounds crazy, but don't we agree that Jaws knows more, probably much more about QBs than people like McShay & Kiper who both have Manziel going high in the first round ?
Last year most had USCs Matt Barkley going in first or second round, right ? Eventually the Eagles took him in the fourth round.
Conventional thinking is often off mark also in the NFL Draft.
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thunderkyss said:
Not at all. I don't think Jaworski has spent any time evaluating college prospects. I don't think he's spent any time talking to teams or scouts to even know what teams are looking for in a QB.

He was a "successful" QB, ask him to read defenses & share how he handled certain aspects of the game, sure. But he's not a coach, not a QB expert, not a scout.

Jaws knows how he did it, that doesn't make him an expert on the way Manning does it, or Brees, or Tarkenton, or Monatana, or Manziel.
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I would say that if Jaws has watched hundreds of hours of film on the QB's you listed, he may very well be an expert on how they operate, and what it would take to develop a young into one of them.

TV is a funny thing, and what you normally see if a very attractive person hired for obvious reason, even though they may not possess real football knowledge, but they can read a prompter and look good doing it. I think you can tune into NFLN, ESPN, etc and see good examples of that.

In the case of Jaws, he has a face for radio, not TV, so it would be safe to think he remains employed because he is good at what he does, not because the way he looks. If you have ever watched any of his Qb breakdowns, it's clear he puts a great deal of thought into his analysis, and backs up his claims with visual evidence. Anyone can be wrong, regardless of their credentials, but IMO it's a pretty safe bet to listen to a guy like Jaws when he talks about QB's.
 
Nitrofish said:
I think you better get used to that look if Ryan Fitzpatrick is the starter.
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We're already used to it. An NFL record of consecutive pick 6's will do that to ya.
Nitrofish said:
Anyone can be wrong, regardless of their credentials, but IMO it's a pretty safe bet to listen to a guy like Jaws when he talks about QB's.
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Jaworski's been wrong before. He missed on Russell Wilson. I think he has a problem with short QBs. I have a problem with QBs who throw games away.
 
Nitrofish said:
In the case of Jaws, he has a face for radio, not TV, so it would be safe to think he remains employed because he is good at what he does, not because the way he looks. If you have ever watched any of his Qb breakdowns, it's clear he puts a great deal of thought into his analysis, and backs up his claims with visual evidence. Anyone can be wrong, regardless of their credentials, but IMO it's a pretty safe bet to listen to a guy like Jaws when he talks about QB's.
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That has nothing to do with determining whether a college prospect will or will not develop into a successful NFL QB. Like I said, Kiper, McShay, Mayock... the guys he's being compared to, have done it for a long time & are much respected for their opinions on college prospects.
 
thunderkyss said:
That has nothing to do with determining whether a college prospect will or will not develop into a successful NFL QB. Like I said, Kiper, McShay, Mayock... the guys he's being compared to, have done it for a long time & are much respected for their opinions on college prospects.
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You are confusing rumor mongering and analysis. Mayock and Jaws are respected analysts. It's hard to even type that Kiper and McShay are respected for anything much less analysis.
 
infantrycak said:
You are confusing rumor mongering and analysis. Mayock and Jaws are respected analysts. It's hard to even type that Kiper and McShay are respected for anything much less analysis.
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You certainly beat me to that. Kinda made me gag, and not just a little. Personally can't stand either of those pukes. I've wondered for years how they hold their jobs.
 
Lucky said:
We're already used to it. An NFL record of consecutive pick 6's will do that to ya.

Jaworski's been wrong before. He missed on Russell Wilson. I think he has a problem with short QBs. I have a problem with QBs who throw games away.
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Yeah, I said anyone can be wrong, but I would say he has not missed on Wilson. What has Wilson done that is so spectacular? His success is more related to the running game and elite defense that Seattle has, not that he is a spectacular pocket passer. Look at what Houston was doing to him in the first half of that game. Only when they stopped the tactics that worked in the first half did his legs become a factor. Wilson is a bad example.

You can't honestly be saying you are comparing Ryan Fitzpatrick to Matt Schaub right? I understand you hate the guy, but lets be serious here. Fitzpatrick could not hold Schaub's jock. You want to talk "Factory of Sadness" just wait until Fitz is starting for the Texans.

I'd rather see Keenum or Yates start over Fitz, and that is saying something.
 
Nitrofish said:
Yeah, I said anyone can be wrong, but I would say he has not missed on Wilson. What has Wilson done that is so spectacular? His success is more related to the running game and elite defense that Seattle has, not that he is a spectacular pocket passer. Look at what Houston was doing to him in the first half of that game. Only when they stopped the tactics that worked in the first half did his legs become a factor. Wilson is a bad example.
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I thought it was the other way around. That when Wilson started using his legs, the Texans' tactics stopped working.

Either way, the thing Wilson has done to make him so "spectacular" is that he's incredibly efficient & protects the football. He's averaged 100 passer rating two years in a row. That's amazing.

Even when Matt Schaub had an elite defense & an elite running game, he didn't average 100 passer rating. In 2011, when we should have won the Super Bowl, he averaged 96.8 playing in only 10 games.

For whatever reason, Wilson is very underrated right now. Maybe because he plays on such a good team, I don't know.
 
As of right now, we've got Fitzpatrick, Keenum, & Yates. Hopefully we'll be adding a younger studd to the mix as well, but for now.... who do you think has the inside edge? Who do you think is the strongest candidate? Of the three, who do you think will most likely win the starting job?

For the guy who is #2 on your list, at this time, what do you think he needs to do to move into #1?
 
Considering the fact that it's a new system and staff, I'd say it's about even for Keenum and Fitz. I'd give the edge to Keenum just a tad because of his youth and his athleticism. I think Keenum made a big jump from year 1 to year 2 and was put into a tough situation development-wise being thrown in the mix so early and with a dying team/staff. I think we'll see another big improvement from him this year. Will it be enough to win the spot? We'll have to wait and see.

Fitz can win it if Keenum struggles. I think he was primarily brought in as a tutor/emergency QB for Keenum and the rookie QB. Schaub would have fit that role but we all know that wouldn't have worked out here.

I think Yates would have been traded by now if he had any trade value. OB wants as many picks as he can get, and if that means picking up a QB 2-1 or 3-1 and another in the 6th or 7th he'd do so.

Honestly I think OB drafts a QB 2-1 or 3-1 and let's the guy sit a year. He'll watch the progress of Keenum and Fitz and if he can win with those guys then they will continue to play. If he can't then his rookie QB should be groomed for year 2.

The last thing you want to do is play a young QB when they are not ready. We've seen enough of that in this town with Carr and Keenum. I doubt OB will pick a rookie QB and start him just for the sake of it. He will bring him along and play him when he's ready.

Of course this is all IMHO.
 
At this point, I don't believe the coaches have a clue. Everybody knows Fitz is not the answer ... short or long term.

Unless they fix the oline and running game (we need at least 2, if not 3 starters on the oline and who knows if Foster has his mind in the game or not) it won't much matter who we have at QB. Last year, if we had Montana or Staubach or Peyton or Brady at QB we MIGHT have gone 4-12 or 5-11 .... well whoop-ti-dooo ..... and they probably would have gotten hurt anyway.

Fitz is not the answer.

I really expected Yates to step it up last year, but he disappointed.

I don't see any QB in the draft who will be an impact player in the next 3 years.

I think Keenum will come back greatly improved and will probably win the job. IF the team puts a competent oline and running game together they can go 8-8. Even if they can fix the oline and running game the defense has way too many holes for this team to be a contender this year regardless of who the QB is.

Oh ... I forgot to mention the incompetent coaching we had last year .... so going 8-8 is also dependent on having good coaching.
 
I'm going to give Kubiak the benefit of the doubt, which is to say he was correct when he concluded that Keenum was showing more progress and potential than Yates, and say Keenum is going to be one of the 3 QBs that will be here this Fall along with Fitz and the QB that OB drafts which will leave Yates someplace else not named Houston. As to who is 1, 2, & 3 in September going into the season opener, your guess is as good as mine ?
 
I've been watching Fitzpatrick highlights all morning, which is why I asked the question, & I've got to say I was shocked by how many times he actually tucked the ball & ran. He's not a bad athlete.

He's not a good QB either. I think his arm is similar to the QBs we see in this draft. Aiight, but nothing special. He can throw bullets to the middle of the field, but tends to float them outside the hashes. His ball placement is spotty & will occasionally throw behind his receivers. He can get the ball down field, & has pretty good anticipation. He's fairly accurate on the move.

I don't think he's scared, but he peeks at the pass rush more than he should. He moves well in short space, I don't think he's a rhythm passer by any means.

Like all QBs, he's got his plusses & minuses. Of course, more minuses than plusses. I think his biggest advantage is his experience, most notably his experience with many different systems. He's not so good that a rookie, or our present vets don't have a shot at beating him, he's very beatable in a true competition. But the bar is set high enough that whoever beats him will give us a decent shot at winning football games.

That's really all I wanted from a veteran, someone who's played a lot more games than Tj & Case, winning more than a few of them.
 
Is it time to remove the '[edit] Mallet?' from this thread yet? Still don't know why it was added to begin with.
 
Ryan said:
Is it time to remove the '[edit] Mallet?' from this thread yet? Still don't know why it was added to begin with.
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I'm not sure why people care. It was rumored the Texans were/are interested and were actively negotiating with the Pats. He is still one of the possibilities until the draft passes.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm not sure why people care. It was rumored the Texans were/are interested and were actively negotiating with the Pats. He is still one of the possibilities until the draft passes.
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Yep

That horse isn't dead yet.

Mallett will be a Texan for the price of 3-1 if the Pats/BB blink.
 
IMO most likely the starting QB in 2014 is Fitz. We take Clowney or whoever we feel is BPA, then we take BPA at 2.1 (which means unless Carr is there we don't take a QB), then we take a QB or BPA in the 3rd or 4th depending on who they target. Whoever we take will probably sit behind Fitz to at least start the season.
 
kingtexan said:
IMO most likely the starting QB in 2014 is Fitz. We take Clowney or whoever we feel is BPA, then we take BPA at 2.1 (which means unless Carr is there we don't take a QB), then we take a QB or BPA in the 3rd or 4th depending on who they target. Whoever we take will probably sit behind Fitz to at least start the season.
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Are you saying that Carr is the best possible QB that could be available at 2.1 and that if he is there we will take him?
 
JB said:
Are you saying that Carr is the best possible QB that could be available at 2.1 and that if he is there we will take him?
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Based on the projection that JFF, Bortles and Bridgewater will be gone, yes.

But you just limit it to QB. If Carr is there he is the best "player" on the board.
 
kingtexan said:
Based on the projection that JFF, Bortles and Bridgewater will be gone, yes.

But you just limit it to QB. If Carr is there he is the best "player" on the board.
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Alright, just wanted clarification. Tho I'm not 100% sure that one of the other 3 won't be available or that Carr would be best player available.
 
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