So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

[TexansSeminole]

Based on your expectations for what we receive for our 1.1, I have to tell you you aren't being realistic here Corrosion because there's no one in this Draft remotely comparable in value to RGIII. So those charts that say you can get this or that for your 1.1 based upon assigning various arbitrary point totals to the different picks are irrevalent this year, even with the changes to the CBA which makes the compensation scale less progressive and therefor the top pick less expensive in terms of cap than under the old CBA.
So you said you'd want Clevelands 1.4, 1.26, & 2.4 for our 1.1, right ? You need to tone down your demands/expectations and look at something more along the lines of getting just their 1.4 & 2.4.

I think you should probably reread his post, then read your response.

 

[Blake]

I think there is one sales pitch they might sell him on. Tell him they will be taking one of the top 3 QBs at 1.1 but they do not want him to start the season. Tell Schaub he will get 6-8 games starting which will be his opportunity to audition for the league and show he is better than his off year and up his market value and chance for a starting job. Get him to reduce to an amount akin to Henne/Cassel which is what he could currently hope for and increase his odds to get more next year.

Not saying that is what they should do but I think there is leverage/incentive to work with.

And the earth shakes as we agree on the sales pitch. Though the same could be told to Keenum with a much lesser hit on the cap and no need to renegotiate.

Good luck with that. His other option is to stand firm, get his guaranteed money as a starter or backup for the Texans. Or be cut, get his guaranteed money and test free agency where he will most likely find a starting role with a good size signing bonus from a QB hungry team.

 

[dream_team]

I think a trade is entirely possible.



Say you trade back to 4 or even 6 , you are going to have one or more of the following to choose from -



Jadeveon Clowney

Greg Robinson

Jake Matthews

Blake Bortles

Teddy Bridgewater

Johnny Manziel

Sammy Watkins

Khalil Mack

Anthony Barr

Zack Martin



With all the need for QB's at the top even at 4/6 its quite possible you get the best prospect at his position .... and compensation for moving down. (I use QB#1-3 rather than actually rank them to avoid argument on that subject).



Scenario 1 - Trade w/ Cleveland



Cle - QB#1

Stl - Greg Robinson

Jaq's - QB#2



You are sitting @ #4 with Clowney , Mack , Barr , Watkins & one of the top 3 QB's.



Scenario 2 - Trade w/ Atlanta



Atl - Clowney

Stl - Robinson

Jaq's - QB1

Cleveland - QB#2

Oakland - QB#3



You are in good shape here too , tho you don't get a shot at a first round QB , there is loads of talent available , with the best player @ OLB , WR , CB & ILB still on the board along with multiple top tier OT prospects.





Earlier in the process , I would have wanted a kings ransom for the #1 overall , something like 4 , 26 , 68 + a future pick.



Now , after realizing what would be available to me , I'd still like that huge haul , but would settle for a bit less , maybe 4 & 26 or 4 , 35 & a future pick from Cleveland or something like 6 , 37 , 101 and a future pick from Atlanta.



None of those deals come close to what the Redskins gave to move up to #2 which was two #1's , a #2 and a future #1. to move 4(?) spots.

The only way someone will trade up with us is if a team absolutely falls in love with a player that they aren't sure will fall to them. But like everyone has been saying, there's no clear cut #1 in this draft. Is there a player in this draft that a team could possibly fall in love with? I don't know? Maybe Clowney if anyone.

What's Cleveland's incentive to move up? If they want a QB, they are already guaranteed one of the top 3 QB's (unless the Rams trade their pick to a QB needy team).


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[_King_]

Good luck with that. His other option is to stand firm, get his guaranteed money as a starter or backup for the Texans. Or be cut, get his guaranteed money and test free agency where he will most likely find a starting role with a good size signing bonus from a QB hungry team.

Travis Johnson was on the Radio yesterday and he was saying that all guaranteed money is sometimes not all actually guaranteed. He said it can be guaranteed against injury or performance or both.

Not sure how that pertains to Schaub, or if that's even entirely accurate.

 

[IDEXAN]

I think you should probably reread his post, then read your response.

Now , after realizing what would be available to me , I'd still like that huge haul , but would settle for a bit less , maybe 4 & 26 or 4 , 35 & a future pick from Cleveland or something like 6 , 37 , 101 and a future pick from Atlanta.
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Nope, that's his expectations for our 1.1 which as I previously stated is too high in this Draft.

 

[Corrosion]

Now , after realizing what would be available to me , I'd still like that huge haul , but would settle for a bit less , maybe 4 & 26 or 4 , 35 & a future pick from Cleveland or something like 6 , 37 , 101 and a future pick from Atlanta.
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Nope, that's his expectations for our 1.1 which as I previously stated is too high in this Draft.

Not enough smilefailpalms to describe this post ..... so we'll go with

which I hope to see become :titansfan: eventually.

Earlier in the process , I would have wanted a kings ransom for the #1 overall , something like 4 , 26 , 68 + a future pick.

Now , after realizing what would be available to me , I'd still like that huge haul , but would settle for a bit less , maybe 4 & 26 or 4 , 35 & a future pick from Cleveland or something like 6 , 37 , 101 and a future pick from Atlanta.

None of those deals come close to what the Redskins gave to move up to #2 which was two #1's , a #2 and a future #1. to move 4(?) spots.

You need to tone down your demands/expectations and look at something more along the lines of getting just their 1.4 & 2.4.

You do realize that 1:4 is #4 and 2:4 is #35 right ..... Its right there in the post above you that I could be convinced to take that deal , among others.

So you are telling me I'm wrong but said I should expect the exact same deal you propose ?! ....

 

[TexansSeminole]

Jacksonville trading away Gabbert makes it clear that they are looking for a QB at #3. That's great for us because it lets people know that if they have one of the top three QBs rated much lower than the other two, they will need to trade up above the Jags to get one of them. You just hope that those teams also don't want to take the chance of another club trading into #2 and missing out on their chance.

 

[Blake]

Jacksonville trading away Gabbert makes it clear that they are looking for a QB at #3. That's great for us because it lets people know that if they have one of the top three QBs rated much lower than the other two, they will need to trade up above the Jags to get one of them. You just hope that those teams also don't want to take the chance of another club trading into #2 and missing out on their chance.

Maybe. Although I would argue that Gus Bradley is a Seattle guy (2009-2012). They built their team with speed and power.

2009 4 Aaron Curry
2010 6 Russell Okung
2010 14 Earl Thomas
2011 25 James Carpenter
2012 15 Bruce Irvin

I feel like Robinson, Clowney, Mack and Watson are their targets with a later round QB.

 

[Corrosion]

Jacksonville trading away Gabbert makes it clear that they are looking for a QB at #3. That's great for us because it lets people know that if they have one of the top three QBs rated much lower than the other two, they will need to trade up above the Jags to get one of them. You just hope that those teams also don't want to take the chance of another club trading into #2 and missing out on their chance.

Someone asked what incentive Cleveland would have in moving to #1 .... well , you just nailed it.

Jax moving Gabbert , crap for QB's in FA .... Jax is taking one of the top 3 QB's @ #3.
Its highly likely that Houston takes one of those @ #1 as well , that leaves Cleveland with the leftovers (which might not be a bad thing as its conceivable they move down to a QB needy team) @ #4. If they want their guy , the odds are that they have to move up to get him.

To be honest , Cleveland could be in the catbirds seat @ #4 if the right players are still on the board , they will have a lot of options and possibly get a huge haul for a move back. #4 could be as valuable as #1 on draft day.

 

[infantrycak]

Good luck with that. His other option is to stand firm, get his guaranteed money as a starter or backup for the Texans. Or be cut, get his guaranteed money and test free agency where he will most likely find a starting role with a good size signing bonus from a QB hungry team.

There is no guaranteed money remaining for Schaub from the Texans. If he is cut his wallet does not get fatter from them. And the main point which you overlooked was that his contract & signing bonus from a new team would be a lot bigger if his last 6 games were with a 2:1 TD:INT ratio and a 92 QB rating instead of 1:2 TD:INT ratio and a 73 QB rating.

 

[WolverineFan]

Jacksonville trading away Gabbert makes it clear that they are looking for a QB at #3. That's great for us because it lets people know that if they have one of the top three QBs rated much lower than the other two, they will need to trade up above the Jags to get one of them. You just hope that those teams also don't want to take the chance of another club trading into #2 and missing out on their chance.

Actually I'm convinced they will take a pass rusher #3 and a QB #39. They have bolstered the D-Line in FA, but they still have a huge need at SLB in the new scheme and Mack would be a perfect fit. Could also see them taking Clowney despite signing Chris Clemons and re-signing Babin. In the 2nd round they will be able to get one of the second-tier QB's.

 

[IDEXAN]

You do realize that 1:4 is #4 and 2:4 is #35 right ..... Its right there in the post above you that I could be convinced to take that deal , among others.

My mistake, guess I thought your "or" was an "and" and/or I just can't read.
But even with this discounted price, I still think it will be very difficult to make a trade unless we would actually be prepared to accept less for our 1.1 than another team would accept for their lower pick.

 

[Corrosion]

My mistake, guess I thought your "or" was an "and" and/or I just can't read.
But even with this discounted price, I still think it will be very difficult to make a trade unless we would actually be prepared to accept less for our 1.1 than another team would accept for their lower pick.

To be honest , Cleveland could be in the catbirds seat @ #4 if the right players are still on the board , they will have a lot of options and possibly get a huge haul for a move back. #4 could be as valuable as #1 on draft day.

 

[Blake]

There is no guaranteed money remaining for Schaub from the Texans. If he is cut his wallet does not get fatter from them. And the main point which you overlooked was that his contract & signing bonus from a new team would be a lot bigger if his last 6 games were with a 2:1 TD:INT ratio and a 92 QB rating instead of 1:2 TD:INT ratio and a 73 QB rating.

My mistake. I still think he has it made either way. Unless he cant stand not being a starting QB for 1 year. Sit back. Collect his 10-11 million and get released after the 2014 season. No way the Texans consider keeping him with a 17 million cap hit in 2015. Their hand is forced.

 

[paycheck71]

So, by all accounts on twitter, Bortles had a stellar pro day today.

 

[stingray]

So, by all accounts on twitter, Bortles had a stellar pro day today.

I saw the whole thing. I wouldnt say stellar. Above average. I would give him a solid B.

 

[Norg]

I think there going with the sure fire bet the safe pick Blake Bortles #1 pick get the best QB off the board

 

[DX-TEX]

Some twitter comments:

@TonyPauline: I'm told 3/4's through Blake Bortles workout #Texans coach Bill O'Brien let it be known "I've seen all I need to see."

Three-quarters through the workout, most had seen enough including Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien as Bortles had answered the call. Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator Norv Turner openly said something to the effect, "great - this means he (Bortles) won't be available for us."

Welp...

 

[DocBar]

Some twitter comments:



Welp...

I'd bet a paycheck that Bortles is 1.1
I just don't think OB wants to deal with the media circus that will be Johnny Foozball and I don't think Bridgewater was ever in serious contention, unless he nailed his Combine interviews and pro day. He blew his pro day.

 

[Norg]

Mr harrvarddd !!!!!

 

[_King_]

Arian at the rockets game with manziel. LoL

 

[thunderkyss]

The only way someone will trade up with us is if a team absolutely falls in love with a player that they aren't sure will fall to them.

The only way someone will trade up with us is if they believe St. Louis wants the player they've got to have.... or if they think someone will trade with St. Louis to get said player.

The only thing we "know" is that St. Louis is not interested in a QB at that spot. Watkins would make sense to me, but this is a deep WR draft & don't see anyone giving up multiple picks to get him.

Too many OTs at the top of this draft, but with Lewan's recent issues... who knows?

Clowney... why would St. Louis want Clowney?

As long as St. Louis doesn't fall in love with anyone... as long as they're mums about who they want, & they're open for business, our pick isn't going anywhere.

 

[brg88tx]

O'Brien signs fellow ivy leager from Harvard (Fitzpatrick).....could this mean he might try to draft that big qb from cornell Mathews? he does like smart qbs.

 

[Corrosion]

Someone should un-edit the edit in the title of this thread .... or at least edit ti to reflect the signing of .... Fitzpatrick

 

[LikeMike]

The only way someone will trade up with us is if they believe St. Louis wants the player they've got to have.... or if they think someone will trade with St. Louis to get said player.

The only thing we "know" is that St. Louis is not interested in a QB at that spot. Watkins would make sense to me, but this is a deep WR draft & don't see anyone giving up multiple picks to get him.

Too many OTs at the top of this draft, but with Lewan's recent issues... who knows?

Clowney... why would St. Louis want Clowney?

As long as St. Louis doesn't fall in love with anyone... as long as they're mums about who they want, & they're open for business, our pick isn't going anywhere.

If Clowney deserves the hype he is getting, every team including St. Louis would want him. I truly think that only a team that wants Clowney would trade with us. No QB has seperated himself enough, there are 2 top OTs, Watkins might be intriguing but I think the prize would be too high to trade up for him.

I´d love to trade with Cleveland for their 2 first rounders, but I also believe we won`t find a partner. If we don`t, I think my pick changed to Robinson...

 

[ObsiWan]

Someone should un-edit the edit in the title of this thread .... or at least edit ti to reflect the signing of .... Fitzpatrick

Yeah... I was thinking that too.

Another random thought, I guess the Fitz signing means the 2-1 to N.E. for Mallett rumor is totally debunked.

 

[thunderkyss]

Another random thought, I guess the Fitz signing means the 2-1 to N.E. for Mallett rumor is totally debunked.

I think so.

 

[infantrycak]

Yeah... I was thinking that too.

Another random thought, I guess the Fitz signing means the 2-1 to N.E. for Mallett rumor is totally debunked.

How does signing a backup/temporary starter debunk any theory on future starter? Until someone who is expected to start 2015 is on the roster the field is wide open because he ain't here yet.

 

[ObsiWan]

How does signing a backup/temporary starter debunk any theory on future starter? Until someone who is expected to start 2015 is on the roster the field is wide open because he ain't here yet.

So you don't think we'll draft our future starter in the upcoming draft?

 

[ziggy29]

So you don't think we'll draft our future starter in the upcoming draft?

I thought what he was saying is that any QB drafted likely won't start until 2015.

Though I wouldn't go that far personally; as things are now I would expect Fitz to start in 2014 -- at least at first -- unless a hypothetical 1.1 drafted at QB absolutely tears it up in camp.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I thought what he was saying is that any QB drafted likely won't start until 2015.

Though I wouldn't go that far personally; as things are now I would expect Fitz to start in 2014 -- at least at first -- unless a hypothetical 1.1 drafted at QB absolutely tears it up in camp.

Exactly.

Fitz goes into camp the starter but he may not get out of camp the starter. He's just keeping the seat warm until OB feels comfortable that the rookie can handle it. Which could be 8 games in, could be first game.

 

[infantrycak]

So you don't think we'll draft our future starter in the upcoming draft?

I mean Fitz is a stopgap and our intended starter for 2015 and/or an unknown portion of 2014 is not currently on the roster. Therefore IMO none of the possible draft picks or a trade for Mallett are off the table.

 

[ObsiWan]

I thought what he was saying is that any QB drafted likely won't start until 2015.

Though I wouldn't go that far personally; as things are now I would expect Fitz to start in 2014 -- at least at first -- unless a hypothetical 1.1 drafted at QB absolutely tears it up in camp.

Exactly.

Fitz goes into camp the starter but he may not get out of camp the starter. He's just keeping the seat warm until OB feels comfortable that the rookie can handle it. Which could be 8 games in, could be first game.

Okay. So Mallett could still be under consideration as a future starter. I guess I had put Mallett in the "seat warmer" category, thinking that we'd pick a 2015 starter out of this year's QB crop.

So that says that TK's scenario where we turn our 3rd plus the 6th/7th we get for Schaub into Mallett into something plausible. Personally, I'm still thinking Belichick wants that #33 pick and not the 65th pick.

I mean Fitz is a stopgap and our intended starter for 2015 and/or an unknown portion of 2014 is not currently on the roster. Therefore IMO none of the possible draft picks or a trade for Mallett are off the table.

Yeah, I'm with you now. Lot's of options still available.

No wonder Thorn woke up.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Okay. So Mallett could still be under consideration as a future starter. I guess I had put Mallett in the "seat warmer" category, thinking that we'd pick a 2015 starter out of this year's QB crop.

So that says that TK's scenario where we turn our 3rd plus the 6th/7th we get for Schaub into Mallett into something plausible. Personally, I'm still thinking Belichick wants that #33 pick and not the 65th pick.

Personally, I think that since we made the moves we have, we won't be pursuing Mallett. To me, it was either Mallett as the guy going forward or a rookie. If we traded for Mallett, we wouldn't be drafting a rookie QB; if we didn't trade for a QB (including Mallett), then we would.

Since we picked a FA QB instead of trading for one, the Mallett deal is off the table and we're probably drafting a QB at some point.

 

[thunderkyss]

Personally, I'm still thinking Belichick wants that #33 pick and not the 65th pick.

I'm sure that's what he wants... if we were willing to do it, it would be done by now.

 

[_King_]

Honestly, I don't see us trading for Mallett anymore either. They could, but I don't think it's likely.

I think if your plan is to trade for Mallett you don't need to sign Fitz. To me it's seeming that the QB OB chooses to be the guy comes from somewhere in the draft.

 

[thunderkyss]

Honestly, I don't see us trading for Mallett anymore either. They could, but I don't think it's likely.

I think if your plan is to trade for Mallett you don't need to sign Fitz. To me it's seeming that the QB OB chooses to be the guy comes from somewhere in the draft.

That's what I think.

 

[Hottoddie]

Okay. So Mallett could still be under consideration as a future starter. I guess I had put Mallett in the "seat warmer" category, thinking that we'd pick a 2015 starter out of this year's QB crop.

So that says that TK's scenario where we turn our 3rd plus the 6th/7th we get for Schaub into Mallett into something plausible. Personally, I'm still thinking Belichick wants that #33 pick and not the 65th pick.

I'm shifting to the "We're taking Bortles at 1.1" camp, but it's possible that we wait until just before the 65th pick & make the offer at that time. If someone NE wants is on the board, they just might blink & take it. Who knows?

 

[Sigma]

So, during this offseason my opinion changed a lot.

I never liked the idea of drafting clowney, and I still don't. So at least that didn't change.

Talking QB it started as "TB is considered the best", so I thought he was the most likely 1-1 pick (if we were to go QB)

I didn't like JM, I thought he was some kind of Tebow.

And I was just "meh" on BB (I thought he was brought up just because he had a good game against BO'B)

With time I started to develop a strange feeling about TB, and after his combine+proday reviews I still have a bad feeling about him.

BB grew on me with time, he did it all at the combine and had good pro day reviews, so I wouldn't mind at all taking him.

JM never really convinced me, even when I got past the initial Tebow thing I wasn't really for (nor against) him, I just hoped they didn't take him just cause he's from texas.
But now, with all those good reviews from his pro day, I have to say I would be happy if they took him.

So I guess right now I'm torn between JM and BB

I guess the best thing would be trading down a few spots so we can get the QB and some more picks in the trade. But I don't know how likely that is.

Also I have seen at least one mock draft in which no QBs are taken in round one. It goes without saying that I would be REALLY happy to get one of them at 2-1. (I really don't think that's gonna happen tho)

 

[santo]

So after seeing all three quarterbacks, I have warmed up to idea of drafting a quarterback in the 2nd. Too many question marks on all three top qb's.

I wouldn't be upset with Mettenberger, Garoppolo, or Murray. Heck I even like McCarron.

I think those quarterbacks would likely sit for a year without having to worry to start day 1.

Since there is no Peyton, Elway, Luck or (insert sure thing qb) then I don't see why the Texans can wait till the second. Some of the best qbs have come from later rounds, such as Montana, Brees, Rodgers, Favre.

But if the Texans decide to take Manziel, I just hope he lives up to the hype.

 

[infantrycak]

So after seeing all three quarterbacks, I have warmed up to idea of drafting a quarterback in the 2nd. Too many question marks on all three top qb's.

I wouldn't be upset with Mettenberger, Garoppolo, or Murray. Heck I even like McCarron.

I think those quarterbacks would likely sit for a year without having to worry to start day 1.

Since there is no Peyton, Elway, Luck or (insert sure thing qb) then I don't see why the Texans can wait till the second. Some of the best qbs have come from later rounds, such as Montana, Brees, Rodgers, Favre.

But if the Texans decide to take Manziel, I just hope he lives up to the hype.

Rodgers was a 1st round pick. Brees and Favre were at the very top of the 2nd.

But more to the point, then why not just wait until next year's draft and go ahead and get a starter at some other position in the 2nd? I mean fine if the coaches really think they are onto something everyone else is missing, go for it but I don't see the point in picking a QB just to pick a QB.

 

[santo]

Rodgers was a 1st round pick. Brees and Favre were at the very top of the 2nd.

But more to the point, then why not just wait until next year's draft and go ahead and get a starter at some other position in the 2nd?

That's my point. We have the first pick in the second. About Rodgers, my mistake. lol

But it's just my opinion. I really don't see anything that stands out from the top three. If the Texans decide to wait for next year, oh well.

By the way, who is your favorite qb in this draft?

Me personally, I'm looking for the next Montana or Brady.

 

[infantrycak]

But it's just my opinion. I really don't see anything that stands out from the top three. If the Texans decide to wait for next year, oh well.

The bold is the wrong perspective IMO as reason for taking a QB in the 2nd. It's grounds for not taking one of the top 3 maybe but the same logic should apply in the 2nd. Is there anything that stands out about any of the guys who will be available at 2.1 that makes them stand out and you be tempted to shake your head they are still available?

By the way, who is your favorite qb in this draft?

Not particularly enamoured of any of them and won't complain about them either other than McCarron & Boyd.

Me personally, I'm looking for the next Montana or Brady.

Everyone is and I don't mind the Texans taking a flyer on some guy they think might be that overlooked gem. I just wouldn't spend the pick on something they saw no particular gem qualities in just to buy a ticket in the lottery though.

 

[thunderkyss]

But it's just my opinion. I really don't see anything that stands out from the top three.

The bold is the wrong perspective IMO as reason for taking a QB in the 2nd. It's grounds for not taking one of the top 3 maybe but the same logic should apply in the 2nd. Is there anything that stands out about any of the guys who will be available at 2.1 that makes them stand out and you be tempted to shake your head they are still available?

I agree with what you're saying.

The way I look at it, I've got 5 QBs that I like. I believe it is very likely they will be productive starters in this league. McCarron, Murray, Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles... that is not to say they all will, just that they all fit what I'm looking for, very different mix of the qualities, but they've all got a good amount of everything I think a successful QB needs.

If we get to 2-1 & they are all still on the board & I think 2 will be left by the time we get to 3-1, I'm not taking a QB at 2-1 either. If I pass & three of them come off the board quick, I'm going to try to move back into the second to try to get one of the remaining two.

If we get to 2-1 & only two are still there, or three... I'm going to take the one I like best.

If there was one guy, who I thought was a much better prospect than the other 4... whether I thought he was a sure thing or not, & I thought he is most likely to go in the first round, I'd probably take him with the #1 overall... even if he's got a mid round grade. So if I felt that way about Bridgewater (& some people here do) I'd take him at 1-1 & I won't be ashamed to say, "Yeah, there's elite talent there that I'm passing on, but I think this is the right way to go."

If I think that one guy, who is way ahead of the pack will be there at 2-1 because he's being underrated by everyone else... I'll take the chance that he'll be there at 2-1 & I'll take him at 2-1 even if all five are still on the board.

 

[Hottoddie]

I haven't heard much chatter about Logan Thomas since the combine, but I have heard O'Brien mention him (along with other 2nd tier QB's) in two seperate interviews. Could he be interested in Thomas in the later rounds? Thomas is definitely a project, but with his size & skill sets, could he be what O'Brien is looking for?

 

[htownfan32]

I haven't heard much chatter about Logan Thomas since the combine, but I have heard O'Brien mention him (along with other 2nd tier QB's) in two seperate interviews. Could he be interested in Thomas in the later rounds? Thomas is definitely a project, but with his size & skill sets, could he be what O'Brien is looking for?

Most of the draftnik community (myself included) on this board think he's going to end up either as a TE or in Canada.

 

[DocBar]

Most of the draftnik community (myself included) on this board think he's going to end up either as a TE or in Canada.

I would concur.

 

[pbthunder]

Bortles.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

Most of the draftnik community (myself included) on this board think he's going to end up either as a TE or in Canada.

I love Thomas as a developmental QB.

But I appear to be the line voice in the TT wilderness.

 

[Scooter]

The bold is the wrong perspective IMO as reason for taking a QB in the 2nd. It's grounds for not taking one of the top 3 maybe but the same logic should apply in the 2nd. Is there anything that stands out about any of the guys who will be available at 2.1 that makes them stand out and you be tempted to shake your head they are still available?

value. there has become an established "big 3", but from all i've seen and heard, there's not much of dropoff from 1 to 8(ish). if you're getting similar potential with similar questions, it goes from "face of the franchise" to "acceptable risk" in the 2nd or even 3rd round.