Lady.Gaga.3000
Waterboy
Just heard on my local sports talk that Texans acquired Mallett....
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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?
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bOODRO87
Time Consumer
Here we go..
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Where is local?
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
There no way you can say that with a straight poker face.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Mike Lombardi must not have left Cleveland yet.
Because everybody thinks Stevie m$%^$^%*&g Smith = 2-1 in 2014.
Not buying it until Schefter tweets it.
Mike Lombardi must not have left Cleveland yet.
Because everybody thinks Stevie m$%^$^%*&g Smith = 2-1 in 2014.
Not buying it until Schefter tweets it.
Yeah I might be buying it if it weren't of that...who the hell would give up a #33 for old man Smith...certainly not a stupid move the Pat and Bill would make.
Eh... it's hard to say, Schaub didn't get to play it out. Either way, none of them were able to put the team on their backs & carry them past 8 wins. Goofy way to judge QB play, I know... but everyone else does it.
True... true.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
If we give up 2-33, then I want Mallet and their 3rd at the minimum.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I disagree. The Patriots have no leverage unless another team is bidding him up. They lose Mallet for nothing next year. I understand them trying to act like they have the leverage, but it's all bluff.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
If it's true it must mean the Texans have decided not to take a QB at 1.1 and I am saddened. Better to take a top prospect at 1.1 than a backup at 2.1, which is the gist of what we have heard. Couldn't we have arranged a 3-way trade to get Mallett for Daniels, instead of juist releasing him?
281
Veteran
Don't entertain the troll, it's not true.
Lady.Gaga.3000
Waterboy
Honestly not trying to troll. I was listening and I did a double take. Looked up on ESPN/NFL.com and didn't see anything. They then started talking about Brotles stock and how it relates to the Mallett supposed acquisition
281
Veteran
Okay then, where do you live where you heard this? You just gotta know that you gotta back up bold stuff if you're gonna post it in a forum full of die-hards, lol.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Did they drop him to the 2nd round?
bah007
Hall of Fame
Who needs a guy like Mallett more? The team with Tom Brady or the team with Matt Schaub and Case Keenum?
We have more to gain from acquiring him than they stand to lose from letting him walk, which they know. Plus they likely get a comp pick if he leaves as a FA next year, because on the open market he will get a pretty decent deal, whether he deserves it or not. So yes, they have the leverage. And any trade would likely cost us at least our #33.
psshh... hadn't you heard? Josh McCown is coming for a visit & you forgot, we got Yates...... The Patriots can keep their lousy back up.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
If you're guessing and the other teams are guessing, then Rick and the other FO folk are doing their job right.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Thanks for the response. I forgot about the comp pick, but I'm not sure it would be much without playing time or salary. It's still bluster to say NE has all the leverage though. No one gets more than a one year wonder from NE.
By the numbers (which have been thoroughly discredited, but not replaced with a better substitute despite failed attempts).
2011 #74 220 points
2014 #33 580 points
Now deduct for a one year vs four year stint and very little playing time in three years. I just don't see the value.
2014 #65 (265 points) which is essentially a 2nd round pick in many other years should be more than enough. Otherwise, I'd pass.
If we do it, then it's because OB thinks Mallet can be a starting QB in this league. That's the value. We don't do this trade at all if OB doesn't think he's a starter.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
He'd better be more than JUST a starter. Who really wants the 32nd best starter in the league?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The chart (a) was always a guideline and (b) has been questioned but hasn't been discredited one bit. In fact trades, including Griffin's, appear to be closely in line.
What the chart is however is valuation for draft picks not players.
At least #33? I´d say NE would do that trade in a heartbeat. Mallet has potential - yes. And he has been sitting and learning behind Brady, yes. But there is a reason he fell to the 3d round. And unlike a draft pick, Mallet won`t be a cheap QB for long.
I am not against us trading for him - especially because Bob knows him. But I am against overpaying for him. I don`t think his marketvalue is that high, at least I haven`t seen any other team having any interest in getting him. We can still draft a QB with our first pick or the 33d. That QB will be cheap on the book for a couple of years and also have potential.
So I´d say, give the #33 at most - even then I´d like to get a 5th rounder back. And I am not so sure if our 3d rounder shouldn`t be able to do the trick as well. Mallet hasn`t had the ability to show anything so far...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Off field drug/maturity issues which haven't recurred in 3 years.
There are reports the Patriots have turned down a couple previous 2nd round pick offers.
I wonder if Rick offered to swap 2014 2nds and offered up a conditional 2015 3rd if that would get the deal done.
The thing is in my mind Mallett is worth a mid 2nd rder. Wonder if Rick could trade 3-1 and a 5th to move up to the mid 2nd and trade for Mallett. This trade is going to probably have to wait because of these kinds of scenarios. A trade down to pick up a mid 2nd and a 4th to get Mallett is also a possibility. However all of this will go down on the night between day 1 and day 2 of the draft.
The thing is in my mind Mallett is worth a mid 2nd rder. Wonder if Rick could trade 3-1 and a 5th to move up to the mid 2nd and trade for Mallett. This trade is going to probably have to wait because of these kinds of scenarios. A trade down to pick up a mid 2nd and a 4th to get Mallett is also a possibility. However all of this will go down on the night between day 1 and day 2 of the draft.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
There is a report something along the lines of the Pats saying 2.1 and us saying 3.1 + something was the current stage.
I see no reason to connect this to draft day trades. I don't think many GMs would risk losing a trade for a QB they wanted waiting on making a 1.1 trade happen. That sounds pure fan to me. I certainly hope Smith is haggling for the best deal he can get but getting caught up in 2.1 v. 2.15 for a guy you hope will lead your team for the next decade would be foolishness IMO. That's a general comment, not a Mallett comment.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Mark "the sanchize" Sanchez
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Honestly, it's looking like a very strong possibility Schaub will remain a Texan this year.
With a horrible FA crop and a draft without a QB that can step in right away it's hard to determine what other route there is to take
I haven't much of a desire to see Schaub back, but our options don't look very appealing
With a horrible FA crop and a draft without a QB that can step in right away it's hard to determine what other route there is to take
I haven't much of a desire to see Schaub back, but our options don't look very appealing
What's the point of keeping Schaub? What can he do that Case, Tj, & some rookie can't do? Win football games?
How many games do you think we're going to win with Matt Schaub?
Is that worth paying the man another $10M??
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Scooter
Funky
i'm having issues with our 2014 quarterback. i dont like the free agent options. i dont like the draft options - at least within the first couple of rounds. i dont like the trade options.
i'm cautiously optimistic about seeing if keenum can be our guy, but that's not a great option either.
so ... i dont like our options this year and am agreement with (steelb?) that next year is the time to strike. i'd go into this year basically "as is". i'd see if keenum or yates has something that o'brien likes, and draft a middle/late round project as well as a UDFA since this year's class is untalented but exceptionally deep. maybe we'll hit gold, but we probably wont. instead i'd flesh out our options and establish the direction of o'brien's team - and attack the missing piece (qb) next year when we have a more definitive view of what we want and a better pool to choose from.
i'm cautiously optimistic about seeing if keenum can be our guy, but that's not a great option either.
so ... i dont like our options this year and am agreement with (steelb?) that next year is the time to strike. i'd go into this year basically "as is". i'd see if keenum or yates has something that o'brien likes, and draft a middle/late round project as well as a UDFA since this year's class is untalented but exceptionally deep. maybe we'll hit gold, but we probably wont. instead i'd flesh out our options and establish the direction of o'brien's team - and attack the missing piece (qb) next year when we have a more definitive view of what we want and a better pool to choose from.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Why do you care about the $10 mil? It ain't your money and only $3.625 is the impact on the cap which is all that should matter to fans.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
First off, I don't have much faith in any of our QBs, much less a rookie. So we're kinda screwed either way.
Which would be spent on his replacement, and then some
He said he's starting to believe more & more that Schaub will be here iin 2014. I'm just trying to help him think it through. Bob, Bill, & Rick are going to have to decide what they are going to get from Matt Schaub in return for $10M of new money, & if it's worth it.
So I asked the question.... what can Schaub do that Tj & Case cannot.
I can't think of anything other than wins so I jumped there with the second question. If you can think of another reason to give Schaub $10M, by all means do so.
Then the final question.... is it worth it to them?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He can mentor a hell of a lot better than either of them. That is something McNair mentioned when talking QBs - that they wanted a vet even if they drafted a QB 1.1.
Look, I don't want them to keep Schaub but it isn't unreasonable from the Texans' perspective (other than fan considerations).
Sigma
Veteran
Aren't the $10M guaranteed anyways?
so it's the difference between paying him 10$ for not occupy a spot on the 53 roster or giving him $13.625 for staying on the roster
unless I got it wrong
Scooter
Funky
who can schaub mentor is my first question. he's done his time with keenum and yates. a "new vet" wont need a lot of schaub. a rookie i'd assume o'brien would want to be tutored without the previous school introducing any contrary style/opinions. to that i ask, why would o'brien want schaub as a mentor?
i would absolutely love schaub as a backup. he's still a very very good quarterback. top 15 if healthy, but the foot is degenerative and as a starter would be ugly in the back half of the season, if the individual/team pressure as well as fan pressure allowed him that far. i want to keep him, but i dont see it as a mentor, it would be as a very expensive late season backup.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
No.
There are two different $10 mils getting confused here and one is a $10.5 mil.
There is $10.5 for money which has already been paid to Schaub which has not yet appeared on the cap. It must appear at some point. So if he is cut (non-June 1st) it will appear on the 2014 cap as $10.5 dead money.
If he stays, he is owed payment of $10 mil for this year which he hasn't been paid yet, but only one third of the dead money would go on the cap this year - $3.5 mil.
Well I would assume if the Texans choose to keep him they do not agree with your assumption and believe he would be a good mentor and would help a rookie pick up the new pro system faster.
I think it would be more early season starter so they do not feel forced to start a rookie just like the deals the Jags just made with Henne and the Vikings with Cassel.
Scooter
Funky
also a possibility. either way i was gearing towards schaub being a competent starter for a portion of the season. i'm not in the camp that schaub is damaged goods. i think in short bursts or as a backup he can be the 2011 matt schaub, and worth more than anyone else we could bring in to fill the role. he just doesnt have the longevity to be the starter (with or without fan hell), and wouldnt be much of a "locker room guru" considering the likely future of the franchise. i assume that o'brien would take that authority away, unlike wade/kubiak/mcnair allowing ed reed to crap on everything in the guise of experience and leadership.
Norg
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has of now if Matt schaub hit the F/A market I think he would be the hottest F/a QB on the market deff over VIck that's why no teams have signed a QB yet other then cassell I think there waiting 2 see what the Texans do
so with that being said I don't even matt would want to stay here knowing he coul get payed either way
so with that being said I don't even matt would want to stay here knowing he coul get payed either way
Hottoddie
Veteran
All right! I believe we dodged a bullet there. Thank you Tampa Bay. You just saved us from "Ed Reed part 2".
In my opinion, our #1 priority should be to sign a starting RT in free agency. No matter who we trot out as our starting QB next year we have to be able to keep them up right to do their job. The sad part is I haven't seen the Texans being listed as interested in any of them. Instead, we were bringing in a one year wonder to look at. As a fan, I do not understand this front office's thinking.
As for acquiring Mallett, I liked the guy coming out of college & now that he seems to have gotten his life in order the last 3 years, I really like the idea of trading for him. But, we have to get a starting RT in free agency. That will open up so many opportunities for us in the draft to load up on defense.
The way I see it, all we have to do is trade down with Atlanta (assuming they still want Clowney). I read somewhere that Atlanta might offer their 1st (#6), 2nd (#37) & a 2015 2nd to move up to #2 if Clowney is still on the board. Why can't the Texans take the same deal? I know it's less than the alleged "fair value", but it would fill our needs better than just sitting at #1 & taking Clowney.
The deal could be done prior to the draft & if it went down something like that, we could take Kalil Mack at #6 & send pick #37 to New England for Mallett. The net result is we still get a starting OLB, a starting QB, keep all of our current draft picks & pick up an extra 2nd round pick for next year. What would be wrong with that deal?
In my opinion, our #1 priority should be to sign a starting RT in free agency. No matter who we trot out as our starting QB next year we have to be able to keep them up right to do their job. The sad part is I haven't seen the Texans being listed as interested in any of them. Instead, we were bringing in a one year wonder to look at. As a fan, I do not understand this front office's thinking.
As for acquiring Mallett, I liked the guy coming out of college & now that he seems to have gotten his life in order the last 3 years, I really like the idea of trading for him. But, we have to get a starting RT in free agency. That will open up so many opportunities for us in the draft to load up on defense.
The way I see it, all we have to do is trade down with Atlanta (assuming they still want Clowney). I read somewhere that Atlanta might offer their 1st (#6), 2nd (#37) & a 2015 2nd to move up to #2 if Clowney is still on the board. Why can't the Texans take the same deal? I know it's less than the alleged "fair value", but it would fill our needs better than just sitting at #1 & taking Clowney.
The deal could be done prior to the draft & if it went down something like that, we could take Kalil Mack at #6 & send pick #37 to New England for Mallett. The net result is we still get a starting OLB, a starting QB, keep all of our current draft picks & pick up an extra 2nd round pick for next year. What would be wrong with that deal?