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So the Broncos didn't feel Osweiler was worth it?

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Brock Osweiler Stopped Taking Phone Calls From The Broncos
July 26, 2016 4:37 PM By Garret Heinrich

Houston (CBS HOUSTON) – The Houston Texans acquired their starting quarterback in free agency this offseason signing former Denver Broncos quarterback Brock Osweiler to a 4-year deal worth around $18 million a year with $35M guaranteed. Since that time the narrative out of Denver has mostly been that the Broncos did not want the quarterback that was drafted by the team before the 2012 season.

On Tuesday, Benjamin Allbright from 104.7 FM in Denver that the Broncos were ready to match the Texans offer and that Brock just didn’t want to return to Denver.

“I know Denver was willing to go $18.5 per (year) and at least put a $35 million guaranteed offer in front of him,” Allbright told Mike Meltser and Seth Payne on Mad Radio on SportsRadio 610 Tuesday morning.

“The plan was to keep Brock Osweiler,” Allbright said of the Broncos plan going into the off-season. “The Broncos came with an offer they thought was fair, you know how the Broncos like to low ball people a bit, Brock just wasn’t having it. After a while, he stopped taking phone calls from the Denver Broncos.

“The Broncos weren’t just folding up shop. They wanted Brock. They just couldn’t through on the phone to make that $18.5 million offer they were going to make.”

The Broncos were mildly shocked by the development of Osweiler’s angst, partially because Osweiler roomed with General Manager John Elway’s son in college and had lived with the Elway family for a little while after he was drafted. But one moment on the field changed any good feelings for Osweiler.

“Brock Osweiler[…]was unhappy with the situation with the Broncos after he got yanked after CJ Anderson fumbled the football. He felt like it wasn’t his fault. Like he was progressing the football well.”

“It was the impetuous to see what else was out there,” Allbright said of the moment when Osweiler was benched in week 17 against the San Diego Chargers. “The Texans certainly had their eye on Osweiler for a while. [Osweiler felt] like [the Texans] are a team that wants him, wants him to be the man and he wants that. He wants a team that wants to invest in him and make him the guy and the Texans certainly did that.”

Allbright also pointed out that the lengthy process of Peyton Manning retiring or not, did not help the Broncos to retain Osweiller.

Osweiler did not attend the visit to the White House with the other Denver Broncos players who won a Super Bowl in 2015.

The Texans will face the Broncos in week 7 on Monday night in Denver.
 
You can dance with my wife, have sex with my girlfriend, take the spinner hubcaps from my 1959 Plymouth and make fun of my dog; just don't make me feel unwanted.
 
I didn't know about rooming with Elway's son and living in his house. Those are small but valid reasons to feel at least a little slighted.

Truthfully, Kubiak made the right decision putting Manning in and trusting their fate to the veteran. But I wouldn't try convincing Osweiler of that if he turns out to be a stud.
 
Texian said:
From this article Osweiler appears to be a bit thin skinned and temperamental.
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How so? The Broncos were not going to make him an offer until they knew if Fivehead was going to retire or not. It was clear to him that staying in Denver meant potentially getting Favre'd by Manning, while Houston was practically begging him to be The Man. He made a decision. He didn't look back. As far as I know he has made absolutely zero disparaging remarks about the Broncos organization or Elway/Kubiak/Manning specifically. Just because he is a family friend of the Elways doesn't make his decision to come to Houston thin-skinned and temperamental.
 
I'm glad the benching pissed him off. What would it say about his competitive spirit if he didn't care about being benched and just went and sat on his hands like a good little backup?

What this article does confirm is that both Elway and Kubiak highly valued Brock as a QB that they had developed for four years. I have absolutely no doubt that they never had a plan B for the potential of Brock leaving. They assumed what most folks assume: Brock would be happy to take over a Super Bowl champion team, so they never planned for the alternative. The fact that Butt Fumble is their no. 1 QB right now says it all.
 
Texian said:
From this article Osweiler appears to be a bit thin skinned and temperamental.
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I came off thinking he was a man of conviction. Thin skinned would be if Osweiler were lashing out at the Broncos. We haven't heard anything but praise for that organization from him.

I'm really confused by temperamental. Do you have any reports of him being pouty, questioning Kubiak's decision making publicly, or criticizing Manning?
 
Benjamin Allbright from 104.7 FM in Denver
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Meh. Not sure I'm buying local radio guy version. (no more than I trust SR610 to get a story straight)

It doesn't mesh with the story coming out of PFT and I'm wondering how much of this is Denver spin / sour grapes over the way it went down. They sure didn't help themselves starting out with a lowball offer. I have a hard time believing they could go to 18.5 mil.
 
disaacks3 said:
Meh. Not sure I'm buying local radio guy version. (no more than I trust SR610 to get a story straight)

It doesn't mesh with the story coming out of PFT and I'm wondering how much of this is Denver spin / sour grapes over the way it went down. They sure didn't help themselves starting out with a lowball offer. I have a hard time believing they could go to 18.5 mil.
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I don't buy what PFT is selling much more than a local that covers the Bronco's every day.
If they could go $15, they could go $18.5
 
noxiousdog said:
I came off thinking he was a man of conviction. Thin skinned would be if Osweiler were lashing out at the Broncos. We haven't heard anything but praise for that organization from him.

I'm really confused by temperamental. Do you have any reports of him being pouty, questioning Kubiak's decision making publicly, or criticizing Manning?
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Right. It's clearly the Broncos or atleast their fans and some members of thier media who are the thin skinned and temperamental party not Brock because he has acted like a gentleman and been and a class act in every way. Now Kubiak has been cool but Elway has gotten a little pizzed about Brocks departure with all of his huffing and puffing about we only want players who want to be here.
 
disaacks3 said:
Meh. Not sure I'm buying local radio guy version. (no more than I trust SR610 to get a story straight)

It doesn't mesh with the story coming out of PFT and I'm wondering how much of this is Denver spin / sour grapes over the way it went down. They sure didn't help themselves starting out with a lowball offer. I have a hard time believing they could go to 18.5 mil.
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First, while I generally think the idea that the media is unfair to us is a pile of garbage, I do take anything Texan-related that's reported by PFT in general and Mike Florio specifically with a giant grain of salt. Maybe the local guy's got an axe to grind, or is just downright unreliable, but I don't have an already existing reason to be skeptical of anything he says.

I'm also having trouble with how your Denver spin/sour grapes comments. If this is an example of the Broncos trying to spin things, well...
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disaacks3 said:
Meh. Not sure I'm buying local radio guy version. (no more than I trust SR610 to get a story straight)

It doesn't mesh with the story coming out of PFT and I'm wondering how much of this is Denver spin / sour grapes over the way it went down. They sure didn't help themselves starting out with a lowball offer. I have a hard time believing they could go to 18.5 mil.
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They had to wait for Peyton to retire before they could sign Osweiler to anything. As soon as Manning retired, they had $19M.

Maybe they decided not to use it all on QB & stopped where they did. But as soon as things broke apart with Osweiler they spent pretty close to $19M to keep Cj Anderson & two other players.

I think if the Broncos would have kept Manning one more year, at $19M, I don't find it hard to believe they wouldn't spend that money on Osweiler
 
ChampionTexan said:
First, while I generally think the idea that the media is unfair to us is a pile of garbage, I do take anything Texan-related that's reported by PFT in general and Mike Florio specifically with a giant grain of salt. Maybe the local guy's got an axe to grind, or is just downright unreliable, but I don't have an already existing reason to be skeptical of anything he says.

I'm also having trouble with how your Denver spin/sour grapes comments. If this is an example of the Broncos trying to spin things, well...
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I see it as a by-product of the hometown team rah-rah variety. Our team knows what it's doing and negativity has no place here. (Lord knows I've heard the Texans spin machine spew out the same sort of stuff over the years.

Granted that anyone is a better local source than McLame, but this story coming out this late sounds like a late PR move by the Broncos org.
The Broncos are making the case they were jilted.
"We loved and wanted Osweiler, but he shunned us."
"Oh no, we easily matched the Texans offer."

Relevant quotes from PFT:
Troy Renck of the Denver Post reports that the Broncos’ offer was $16 million a year, with more than $30 million guaranteed.
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Hmm, I think Troy IS a "local".

Yes, the Broncos unnecessarily delayed the process by giving quarterback Peyton Manning time to consider his future before making an offer to Osweiler. When the first offer came from the Broncos (without, per a league source, an opener from Osweiler’s camp), the numbers were much lower than the three-year, $45 million figure that was leaked to the media.
Only the Texans were interested, but like most teams now do the Texans didn’t articulate a position until the legal tampering period opened. (The relationship between the Broncos and Texans G.M. Rick Smith, who previously worked in Denver, made shenanigans less likely.) So the Texans waited until the window opened, and they made a significantly better offer than the Broncos did.

The Broncos then increased their offer to north of $16 million per year, but with guaranteed money well below the $37 million offered by Houston. Still, the Broncos made a compelling argument for taking less, arguing that despite the length of the current contract this was potentially a 10-year decision, if things work out.
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Brock Osweiler on Bill O'Brien, Peyton Manning, hopes for 2016
By John McClain
Published 2:01 pm, Friday, July 29, 201

New Texans quarterback Brock Osweiler talked about a number of subjects during a lengthy interview with the Houston Chronicle.


Here are some of his most interesting comments:

Osweiler on working with coach Bill O'Brien and offensive coordinator George Godsey: "They refer to Tom Brady a lot. With all due respect to Coach O'Brien and Coach Godsey, I've told them I'm going to be me. I'm not here to be a puppet, if you will. I'm going to be who I am and believe in what I bring to the table every day."

Of the upcoming season, new Texans quarterback Brock Osweiler said "If I can do my job at a high level, protect the ball and play my role in this system, I think we'll look back and be happy with how things went."

Click through the gallery to see photos of Osweiler through the years.

How important leadership is to him: "I believe in my leadership style. As the leader, there's a time and place to be the rah-rah guy – grab the defibrillators and light the fire, so to speak. At times, that'll mean standing up and directing the (quarterbacks) meeting and making sure everyone's on the same page. I've always been a leader. If someone was getting picked on in school, I'd try to deflate that situation by inviting that kid to eat lunch with me. I've always tried to be a uniter."

His hopes for this season: "When I look back at this season, I want to know that I had no regrets, that I didn't leave any bullet in the chamber. I want to know that I was a great teammate to every guy in the locker room and a great player for every coach on this staff. I want to do my job to the best of my ability and give this team a chance to win every week. If I can do my job at a high level, protect the ball and play my role in this system, I think we'll look back and be happy with how things went."

What he learned from Peyton Manning: "Probably the biggest thing I learned from Peyton was how to approach this job as a pro every day. By watching Peyton every day for four years, he showed me how to do the job the right way. This job is your life. It consumes you."

Being under the microscope: "I'm not worried about that. I have a mentality of not worrying about what people say about me, good or bad. That's not what I'm putting my energy into. There are too many positive things I can focus on. My mentality is that no matter how good or bad the previous play was, move on to the next one. I'm always going to try to win with a positive mindset."

In a private moment, hugging his wife and parents after his introductory news conference: "There were so many things I'd done that culminated in that moment. There was so much hard work that went into me coming to Houston and having this amazing opportunity. For it to come together and sign the paperwork right before the press conference and have that press conference as the starting quarterback for the Houston Texans – it was special when we walked out, to say the least. People saw the seven starts I had last year. They saw how I handled the situation when I was benched, Peyton taking back the starting role, and how supportive I was. But people didn't see 3 ½ years of basically going home every night, studying my plays and watching film just like I was the starter. Nobody saw me getting to the facility before any other player, getting in that extra tape and trying to be prepared in case something happened to Peyton."

Getting his Super Bowl ring: "Obviously, that Super Bowl ring means so much to me that it's beyond special. That's a culmination of years and years of hard work. That was such a special team (Denver) last year. Now that camp starting, though, the ring's in a safe place, and it's time to go to work as a Texan."
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Osweiler on working with coach Bill O'Brien and offensive coordinator George Godsey: "They refer to Tom Brady a lot. With all due respect to Coach O'Brien and Coach Godsey, I've told them I'm going to be me. I'm not here to be a puppet, if you will. I'm going to be who I am and believe in what I bring to the table every day."
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The above is from the Chron interview that C&D posted and I find it maybe the most interesting and candid comment made by Osweiler. Maybe almost too candid for
O'Briens liking ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Osweiler on working with coach Bill O'Brien and offensive coordinator George Godsey: "They refer to Tom Brady a lot. With all due respect to Coach O'Brien and Coach Godsey, I've told them I'm going to be me. I'm not here to be a puppet, if you will. I'm going to be who I am and believe in what I bring to the table every day."
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The above is from the Chron interview that C&D posted and I find it maybe the most interesting and candid comment made by Osweiler. Maybe almost too candid for
O'Briens liking ?
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I was thinking the same thing and read it a few times. I'm not sure what to think about it, to be honest. There are so many facets of the statement to contemplate. :hmmm:
 
Double Barrel said:
I was thinking the same thing and read it a few times. I'm not sure what to think about it, to be honest. There are so many facets of the statement to contemplate. :hmmm:
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I know some folks will not take kindly to this thinking but this was kind of red flag about his attitude leaving Denver. I mean c'mon now, HOF Elway as your GM, Kubiak as your QB guru, Manning as your tutor and he couldn't get out fast enough. However that jives with I don't want hear about or have nothing to do with Tom Brady. Above my pay grade to know how this personality will turnout. Should be interesting to watch and my guess is he will turnout to be great and his own man or he will crash and burn and even be sitting on the bench in favor of Savage or Weeden.
 
IDEXAN said:
Osweiler on working with coach Bill O'Brien and offensive coordinator George Godsey: "They refer to Tom Brady a lot. With all due respect to Coach O'Brien and Coach Godsey, I've told them I'm going to be me. I'm not here to be a puppet, if you will. I'm going to be who I am and believe in what I bring to the table every day."
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The above is from the Chron interview that C&D posted and I find it maybe the most interesting and candid comment made by Osweiler. Maybe almost too candid for
O'Briens liking ?
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I think it's classic little brother syndrome. Got tired if always being compared to big bro Manning, probably a little to Elway, and OB/Godsey started the "this is how Brady does it" and he just is tired of being in put in the corner/shadow and wants to be his own man with his own impact.
 
Texian said:
I know some folks will not take kindly to this thinking but this was kind of red flag about his attitude leaving Denver. I mean c'mon now, HOF Elway as your GM, Kubiak as your QB guru, Manning as your tutor and he couldn't get out fast enough. However that jives with I don't want hear about or have nothing to do with Tom Brady. Above my pay grade to know how this personality will turnout. Should be interesting to watch and my guess is he will turnout to be great and his own man or he will crash and burn and even be sitting on the bench in favor of Savage or Weeden.
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Fred Fowler shared my perplexing attitude about the statement last night on The Blitz. While we do not want to assume or read anything of our own perceptions into it, you cannot help but be curious about it. For instance, and these are just questions, do the coaches talk about Brady too much? Does Brock think Brady is a puppet? Is Brock saying he doesn't wan to be like Brady, one of the greatest QBs in NFL history? Perhaps "I'm going to be me" means to lower expectations from Brady to a more reasonable level?

It's just a weird statement without the context of maybe the question being asked or even an on-going conversation before he said it.

fwiw, and it is earl in training camp, Ted Johnson said Savage is the best QB in camp right now.
 
Double Barrel said:
Fred Fowler shared my perplexing attitude about the statement last night on The Blitz. While we do not want to assume or read anything of our own perceptions into it, you cannot help but be curious about it. For instance, and these are just questions, do the coaches talk about Brady too much? Does Brock think Brady is a puppet? Is Brock saying he doesn't wan to be like Brady, one of the greatest QBs in NFL history? Perhaps "I'm going to be me" means to lower expectations from Brady to a more reasonable level?

It's just a weird statement without the context of maybe the question being asked or even an on-going conversation before he said it.

fwiw, and it is earl in training camp, Ted Johnson said Savage is the best QB in camp right now.
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I'm not worried about everyone saying Savage is better than Oz at this point, it makes sense if Savage is a halfway competent QB.

Happens in my job all the time.

You change airplanes or companies and everything is different. All the calls, all the controls, all the systems.

Takes time to get in the groove and stop thinking and just fly.

Until that happens just about anyone with years in an airplane is going to look like a better pilot.
 
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DBCooper said:
I'm not worried about everyone saying Savage is better than Oz at this point, it makes sense if Savage is a halfway competent QB.

Happens in my job all the time.

You change airplanes or companies and everything is different. All the calls, all the controls, all the systems.

Takes time to get in the groove and stop thinking and just fly.

Until that happens just about anyone with years in an airplane are going to look like a better pilot.
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Yep, I'm not reading too much into early training camp information.

However, I would have to chuckle a bit if Savage actually does turn out to be the better QB. ;)

I just want one of these guys to be good enough not to produce a 30-0 playoff game but rather take this city to a Super Bowl within my lifetime.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep, I'm not reading too much into early training camp information.

However, I would have to chuckle a bit if Savage actually does turn out to be the better QB. ;)

I just want one of these guys to be good enough not to produce a 30-0 playoff game but rather take this city to a Super Bowl within my lifetime.
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30-0 is only acceptable if it's in our favor
 
Double Barrel said:
Fred Fowler shared my perplexing attitude about the statement last night on The Blitz. While we do not want to assume or read anything of our own perceptions into it, you cannot help but be curious about it. For instance, and these are just questions, do the coaches talk about Brady too much? Does Brock think Brady is a puppet? Is Brock saying he doesn't wan to be like Brady, one of the greatest QBs in NFL history? Perhaps "I'm going to be me" means to lower expectations from Brady to a more reasonable level?

It's just a weird statement without the context of maybe the question being asked or even an on-going conversation before he said it.

fwiw, and it is earl in training camp, Ted Johnson said Savage is the best QB in camp right now.
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Based on his past and recent behavior, at this point I perceive Brock Osweiler to be a bit ornery and hardheaded. The initial question that comes to my mind, is the kid coachable or does he want to be argumentative?
 
Beer and Metal said:
Meh, I kinda took it as "I don't want to be the next Tom Brady, I want to be the first (or only) Brock Osweiler".
That's not necessarily a bad thing.
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It's like forcing your child to be someone else instead of themselves.


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IDEXAN said:
Osweiler on working with coach Bill O'Brien and offensive coordinator George Godsey: "They refer to Tom Brady a lot. With all due respect to Coach O'Brien and Coach Godsey, I've told them I'm going to be me. I'm not here to be a puppet, if you will. I'm going to be who I am and believe in what I bring to the table every day."
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The above is from the Chron interview that C&D posted and I find it maybe the most interesting and candid comment made by Osweiler. Maybe almost too candid for
O'Briens liking ?
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I actually like that outlook. Why limit or pigeon hole yourself? I don't think JJ Watt or Jordan or Dream ever said, I want to be just like that player. It's always, "I am going to be me and years later you guys can argue about who can be me!" You can't be the best if you aspire to be someone.
 
chenjy9 said:
I actually like that outlook. Why limit or pigeon hole yourself? I don't think JJ Watt or Jordan or Dream ever said, I want to be just like that player. It's always, "I am going to be me and years later you guys can argue about who can be me!" You can't be the best if you aspire to be someone.
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Bob: Y'know... Tom Brady was usually here before I was here.
Oz: F'ck Brady. I'm not as slow as Brady. I don't need to get here at 3 am to figure out Y is on my left.


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Beer and Metal said:
Meh, I kinda took it as "I don't want to be the next Tom Brady, I want to be the first (or only) Brock Osweiler".
That's not necessarily a bad thing.
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That's an optimistic way to perceive it. Hopefully, that's exactly what he meant!

I guess I think about J.J.'s attitude when Wade Phillips would tell him about coaching Bruce Smith and Reggie White. J.J. never took it as a slight and while I wish I could find the exact quite, he basically said that it is an honor to be coached by Wade and even be compared to those guys, that he wanted to gain as much insight into what those HoF players did to be great so he could use that knowledge to become the best that he could be.
 
IDEXAN said:
Osweiler on working with coach Bill O'Brien and offensive coordinator George Godsey: "They refer to Tom Brady a lot. With all due respect to Coach O'Brien and Coach Godsey, I've told them I'm going to be me. I'm not here to be a puppet, if you will. I'm going to be who I am and believe in what I bring to the table every day."
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The above is from the Chron interview that C&D posted and I find it maybe the most interesting and candid comment made by Osweiler. Maybe almost too candid for
O'Briens liking ?
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O'Brien DOES have a weird obsession with Tom Brady. FORGET ABOUT HIM BILLY-O.
 
He's been behind Manning for his entire career, he gets here and all he hears about is Brady... To a point I understand why he feels that way. I mean we did pay him 18.5M to be here and he things he's ready to take the reigns. I don't know that I would say it out in public but what he expressed is EXACTLY how I want anybody to feel if it is their turn to step into the spotlight and be the man.

What we don't know is what kind of attitude he follows that up with. If his attitude is "I know it all back off..." that's a problem but if it is "Let me show them its time to stop talking about Brady by busting my ass..." I'm good with that. I always wanted people to have a little bit of a chip on their shoulder... not so much that it is off putting to others around them but enough that they are hungry... "eating soup with a fork" to use a basketball term.
 
"They refer to Tom Brady a lot. With all due respect to Coach O'Brien and Coach Godsey, I've told them I'm going to be me. I'm not here to be a puppet, if you will. I'm going to be who I am and believe in what I bring to the table every day."
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aw..go ahead and be Tom Brady, I won't be mad at ya. I Promise!! :throwball:
 
Think it'd be different if the comparison where to someone like Unitas/Montana/Marino instead of a contemporary. To hear about being like a particular guy over and over that is supposed to be a guy you want to currently defeat, I actually like that his wiring wouldn't want to accept that.
 
Double Barrel said:
Fred Fowler shared my perplexing attitude about the statement last night on The Blitz. While we do not want to assume or read anything of our own perceptions into it, you cannot help but be curious about it. For instance, and these are just questions, do the coaches talk about Brady too much? Does Brock think Brady is a puppet? Is Brock saying he doesn't wan to be like Brady, one of the greatest QBs in NFL history? Perhaps "I'm going to be me" means to lower expectations from Brady to a more reasonable level?

It's just a weird statement without the context of maybe the question being asked or even an on-going conversation before he said it.

fwiw, and it is early in training camp, Ted Johnson said Savage is the best QB in camp right now.
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What I'm thinking is that sometimes guys say stuff that they mean one way and it comes out wrong or when it's quoted in print looks totally different than how they meant it. For all we know he pulled the Ricky Bobby card and added a few "with all due disrespect's" right after it so he could have a get-out-of-jail-free waiver card on the whole darn conversation.

It could have been like "You know, nobody can hang with my stuff. I'm just a--just a big, hairy, American winning machine. Peyton is a piece of **** as a human being and a teammate.... with all due respect, and Elway doesn't (and I'm saying this with all due respect) know anything about the way I play the QB position so he needs to shut up and mind his own business. Kubiak's like one bad day away from having a seizure, with all due respect and I'm just tired of hearing about other QB's because I'm gonna be way better than this Tom Brady fool that O'Brien and Godsey managed to coach up to some kind of "adequate level" in New England. I mean, he's done OK (all due respect) If you ain't first, you're last! You know? You know what I mean?"

See, no problem! If the boy can set an alarm clock and catch a plane when he's supposed to we're already way ahead of last year!

Seriously though I kind of like it. What kind of "starting QB" wants to spend his career in the shadows of legends and not be his own man? We always hear about how NFL players have to possess unwavering confidence in their own abilities but sometimes when one of them tries to show that he has that but does it in the wrong way we all cringe (myself included) and read more into it than there really is to see. I don't doubt that he doesn't want to be regarded as a guy that was taught to watch film on Brady all day and do his best to copy every move. He's probably aware of Kubiak's reputation in Denver and doesn't want to be thought of as another Matt Schaub (or Jake Plummer) who nobody really regarded as much more than a guy Gary turned into a reasonable facsimile of a franchise QB.

Now if we start hearing that he won't take the coaching that's a warning sign. I can't imagine they would have gone out and got another tall man-child, ego-machine like Mallett so soon after he face-planted his career wearing Texans colors.
 
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Double Barrel said:
Yep, I'm not reading too much into early training camp information.

However, I would have to chuckle a bit if Savage actually does turn out to be the better QB. ;)

I just want one of these guys to be good enough not to produce a 30-0 playoff game but rather take this city to a Super Bowl within my lifetime.
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Hey, one thing Brian Hoyer did for us in that loss to Kansas City to end the season was set that "Most Playoff Interceptions by a Texans QB" record way, way out of reach of any halfway decent QB. It should be some time before we endure another day like that out of just about anyone.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep, I'm not reading too much into early training camp information.

However, I would have to chuckle a bit if Savage actually does turn out to be the better QB. ;)

I just want one of these guys to be good enough not to produce a 30-0 playoff game but rather take this city to a Super Bowl within my lifetime.
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Last year in Denver, Brock was the better QB but Manning got something out of that offense that hadn't shown up earlier in that game. The "right decision" is a complicated little bugger.
 
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