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Slowik and the offense
- Thread starter powda
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This isn’t Pop Warner.
The plays called, @CloakNNNdagger mentioned Stroud had ability to trash the play. The excuses are ridiculous and at the same time deserving of this situation.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
No ****, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still young, still learning how to be a professional (you ever worked with anyone straight out of college...newsflash it isn't the easiest transition) and was in the midst of a season where he was getting physically pounded on and his least successful season since, maybe ever. This is a learning experience, despite what you think no one is perfect at this immediately.
And to demand perfection right out of the gate is weird
Excuses. I don’t expect the second overall pick in the draft to be slouching and pouting on the bench when things don’t go his way. We JUST got rid of a QB who did the same damn thing.
Didn't say Lance was lying. Making stuff up, again. Just that his access isn't what it once was. And whatever happened during Stroud's predraft visit didn't stop the Texans selecting Stroud. Right?
It's not optimal when you're the operations manager of a billion dollar company. You would hope your guy is mature enough to get along with people trying to help him.
Nope, CJ is smarter than everybody else he's worked for besides Ryan Day.
You’re saying he is lying.
And they are pretending like this information won’t be confirmed by other sources.
Either LZ is lying/making stuff up or he's not. I'm telling you he's not.
Yes, CJ was luckily forced on Ryans/by ownership. Unfortunately they've been left to deal with the immaturity issues, which were the biggest issues during the pre draft process. The talent is real and you have to deal with the other crap if you want the talent. Hopefully CJ grows up and puts in the work.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
So CJ is now Deshawn Watson...ok you can draw that parallel if you want; I will not be.
Despite what you may think there is a difference from things not going your way to having the first real setback of your professional career (not to mention the physical aspect this season took on him).
Don't disagree that he needs to respond well this offseason but to write him off after last season seems harsh.
And the fascination with his agent seems weird
Either you're lying about what I said, or your reading comprehension ability is severely lacking. I'm not questioning what Zierlein said he heard. I'm questioning the veracity of the information he received.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Ok, been out of the loop for a bit but I'm going to need some sources for this
Seems to be very consistent and on message for them, actually.
Deshaun pouted on the bench with the towel over his head. CJ pouted all season long and let his emotions dictate his body language which both are a sign of a bad leader. This really isn’t that complicated.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Yeah, I've not even seen this level of vitriol directed at Boras
I’m not apologizing for not wanting this franchise to be associated with an agent who laughed a racial smear campaign against the owner. I don’t give a damn if you don’t appreciate that.
Are you saying you thought he would be fired this year? I did too
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I can find clips of damn near every QB doing that, **** the internet is littered with images/memes of Brady doing the exact same thing
Brady was accomplished. Not a second year QB. Stroud lets ANY miscue affect his mental.
He/she knows that. He just hates on Stroud mostly because of who his agent is. No reasonable rational involved
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Hate to break it to you, but this is kind of the hallmark of all second-year professionals. It's a behavior that is learned not instantly granted upon a player when they are drafted
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I chalk CJ's pouting up to frustration with his OC and OL. I would be pissed if Slowik was my coach too. Need I remind you that Slowik started out as a defensive assistant. Then he became an assistant and then eventually a passing coordinator, whatever the hell that means. Kyle Shanahan was the brains behind anything they did. Guy had literally zero play calling experience in the NFL and it showed every week with his inability to adapt or change. He was promoted way too quickly. He has no business being an OC at this level, at this time.
I just hope they do not repeat this mistake with the next hire. I am still on the Darrell Bevell bandwagon. The guy has a great track record as an OC and experience. I don't see any insight to him being a serious candidate at this time, though. Plus he is linked to Pete Carroll in LV now.
I just hope they do not repeat this mistake with the next hire. I am still on the Darrell Bevell bandwagon. The guy has a great track record as an OC and experience. I don't see any insight to him being a serious candidate at this time, though. Plus he is linked to Pete Carroll in LV now.
Can’t say Bobby didn’t have any business being an OC with Stroud having the rookie year he did. Maybe it is Stroud who didn’t adjust.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
No, I can confidently say that. Teams figure out other teams all the time, you have to be able to adjust and coach. Slowik showed he wasn't able to do that.
Stroud has plenty to work on, but he is still an Elite QB. But when the lights came on he found another gear. He needs innovation and a better scheme to help him be more consistent. Your LG and RG letting free runners up the gut will kill your offense every time.
This
To be elite you must be consistent. Stroud has not yet shown that he is elite.
LMAO. Similar to expecting heat during the summer in Houston, I was expecting this narrative of the lazy, uncoachable CJ Stroud with the know-it-all attitude and his nefarious puppet master Mulugheta.
How many of us have gone into an interview and in our eagerness to impress our potential employer brought up past situations or scenarios that we experienced? So, Stroud and Slowik are discussing coverages and Stroud would mention he knew about this coverage and that's how he handled it in college. As the employer, don't you want the candidate to talk so you can observe their processing? Don't you want detailed answers? Instead, Slowik got tired of the past experience references and blew up? If that happened to any of us, I don't think we would bark back at the potential employer. However, I'm certain many of us would consider that a red flag and not accept the job offer from this employer.
If Zierlein's reporting is accurate. Stroud should not have barked back at Slowik. Maybe he thought Slowik was testing his toughness and barked back. However, we should also consider that this was Slowik's first draft. I doubt he had any experience leading the interview process for a QB. I would question why he felt the need to shut the interviewee up when he was trying to demonstrate his knowledge. Was Slowik intimidated by the references to Day? Was he also trying to prove he knew what he was talking about?
How many of us have gone into an interview and in our eagerness to impress our potential employer brought up past situations or scenarios that we experienced? So, Stroud and Slowik are discussing coverages and Stroud would mention he knew about this coverage and that's how he handled it in college. As the employer, don't you want the candidate to talk so you can observe their processing? Don't you want detailed answers? Instead, Slowik got tired of the past experience references and blew up? If that happened to any of us, I don't think we would bark back at the potential employer. However, I'm certain many of us would consider that a red flag and not accept the job offer from this employer.
If Zierlein's reporting is accurate. Stroud should not have barked back at Slowik. Maybe he thought Slowik was testing his toughness and barked back. However, we should also consider that this was Slowik's first draft. I doubt he had any experience leading the interview process for a QB. I would question why he felt the need to shut the interviewee up when he was trying to demonstrate his knowledge. Was Slowik intimidated by the references to Day? Was he also trying to prove he knew what he was talking about?
I wonder how many more Super Bowls Brady would have won if he was not diving off cliffs.
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I got my dates wrong I guess
Mahomes spent last offseason taking care of toddlers and traveling all across Europe. I hope that doesn't prevent him from winning the next Super Bowl.
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
I would say that the Texans line this past season (and before that to honest) looked like one of those groups where you could probably do better with less "talent" but more in the motor and hard work department. a few of them looked downright lazy and I'm not even thinking about the guy we both disagree over. This is the Mason/Howard/Green problem. Nobody in that group is either smart enough or dedicated enough to make the cut IMO.
Now hold on... I'm not looking for dirt, I assume you're including me since you quoted me & he's responding to your response to me.
I'm just trying to put the pieces together.
Just because Cj believes he knows more football than Slowik doesn't mean he didn't respect him. I'm not pushing that. I'm trying to find reasons in favor of Cj bypassing his OC in college, not slamming him for it.
Sounds to me it was the whole offense, not just Cj... don't know what Mulugheta has to do with anything. For all we know, this is what Mixon was talking about.
Whomever, it’s a problem. This is Cal’s franchise.
Before we get carried away, & I'm rooting for Cj to win many Super Bowls for the Houston Texans, but the Chargers have been here, the Jags have been here, the Titans have been here.
1 time in 2024. 1 time.
Once we get the refs in our pocket & Dalton Schultz brings in teenie boppers S2roud can do whatever the hellhe wants. Until then, head down, mouth shut.Mahomes spent last offseason taking care of toddlers and traveling all across Europe. I hope that doesn't prevent him from winning the next Super Bowl.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
I am okay with Jerrod Johnson continuing as Stroud's quarterback but not as the offensive coordinator. This is one position I would allow my quarterback to have a say in who is the coach.
What? No, I was referring to @steelbtexan , @djohn2oo8 and others who have been pushing against Stroud since prior to the draft, due to the agent connection.
badboy
Hall of Fame
That does not make it Stroud's fault. We could also say that you have been one and three getting along with people on this message board. That does not make you wrong either.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Probably a minority here, but I am not going to allow you to interpret CJ Stroud's body language for me.
Lazy, dumb, lack of cohesiveness, lack of athleticism, some combination thereof...it didn't work. Let me be fair to Bobby Slowik. What he drew up was not going to work with this offensive line. He got chicken shiite and could not turn it into chicken salad. Still, Slowick was slow (or stubborn) to make changes that could maximize what he had on hand. That was my frustration with him. Hope he gets another chance with players that can operate his system.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Bobby just got fired after many people did not think he would be. It's not that hard to see that slow's bad offensive scheme and play calling and inability get along with his quarterback who had a record season in 2023 is the problem. Slowik refused to adjust or more likely had nothing to adjust to. It is obvious that common sense led Hannah to make the decision to terminate Slow.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Or maybe just like tens of thousands of fans Stroud could see that what slow was putting on the field was not working and he was upset and angry and not pouting.
It is not optimal when you promote a person without experience to a position that he almost immediately shows he is not capable of. That person may seem briefly to be successful based on how well his departmental employees do their jobs despite their boss's inadequacies.
Sometimes those employees get frustrated and exasperated. Some go to the chain of command but others just shrug and cash the paycheck like Tunsil.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Or a respected, knowledgeable offensive coordinator like Kelly comes in and rights the ship. Stroud and the others will understand that Chip knows how to win and as with such leaders, employees follow willingly.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well yeah.. but....
Texansballer74
The Marine
He does it all of the times.