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Slaton May Not Be in the Big Picture for 2010

Mailman said:
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.
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Uh, how about prior to this most recent interiew with the player the basic info we had was part of the spine in the neck was removed and reputable posters saying could be up to two years before a football player could return to the field if at all? Doesn't mean anyone was jumping off the band wagon but just considering options. An example is your car will not start and people you trust say the cracked engine block may lead to you having to get another vehicle. You will probably wait for a diagnosis from an expert but you just may check the auto classifieds just in case.
 
Jeff West - Dallas, TX, US: Who's got the better body: Duane Brown or Eric Winston?

Steve Slaton (12:41:49 PM): That's not up to me to decide.
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WTF!!? Why would any dude ask this?
 
badboy said:
Uh, how about prior to this most recent interiew with the player the basic info we had was part of the spine in the neck was removed and reputable posters saying could be up to two years before a football player could return to the field if at all? Doesn't mean anyone was jumping off the band wagon but just considering options. An example is your car will not start and people you trust say the cracked engine block may lead to you having to get another vehicle. You will probably wait for a diagnosis from an expert but you just may check the auto classifieds just in case.
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Uh, and how about the the fact that prior to this interview the team has said the surgery went well and he is expected to make a full recovery? Or how about the fact that the player has said likewise?

Instead of taking these reported "facts" into account, everyone here is treating the word of one board regular as gospel despite the fact that he is not the treating physician and has no access to Slaton's medical chart. No disrespect intended to said poster, I'm simply reminding you all that there are quite a few unknowns to consider so it might be prudent to back away from the pronouncements some of you are making about Slaton. In a matter of a months this boards has gone from "Slaton out for the year" to "Slaton is done, we need a RB."

Exactly none of you know that.
 
Mailman said:
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.
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signed,

Domanic Davis

:jk:
 
BIG TORO said:
I will give you one guess!! lol, What did you think about my question? hope I didnt offend him?
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It was good. There were several good questions as well as some stupid ones. Like the cat that kept asking about his music and crap
 
Texan_Bill said:
signed,

Domanic Davis

:jk:
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Proves my point.

Domanick Davis' injury is not remotely similar to Slaton's, but because the team was guardedly optimistic about his return, this is offered as proof that Slaton is finished.

They are two different players with two different injuries. The Slaton talk is pure conjecture right now.
 
Mailman said:
Proves my point.

Domanick Davis' injury is not remotely similar to Slaton's, but because the team was guardedly optimistic about his return, this is offered as proof that Slaton is finished.

They are two different players with two different injuries. The Slaton talk is pure conjecture right now.
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That's exactly where I was going with that.
 
Mailman said:
Uh, and how about the the fact that prior to this interview the team has said the surgery went well and he is expected to make a full recovery? Or how about the fact that the player has said likewise?

Instead of taking these reported "facts" into account, everyone here is treating the word of one board regular as gospel despite the fact that he is not the treating physician and has no access to Slaton's medical chart. No disrespect intended to said poster, I'm simply reminding you all that there are quite a few unknowns to consider so it might be prudent to back away from the pronouncements some of you are making about Slaton. In a matter of a months this boards has gone from "Slaton out for the year" to "Slaton is done, we need a RB."

Exactly none of you know that.
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Historically the Texans comments on the health of their players have been vague at best. Any injury as significant as cervical surgery, will always wave a red flag for me. Also the "fact" that a player tells me anything about his injury goes in one ear and out the other. Most of them would crawl onto the game field. Research the comments made by the Texans on the health of one Tony Boselli who was cleared by Texans doctors. Here is a link
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/tony-boselli/
http://cjonline.com/stories/101602/spo_boselli.shtml

If Slaton can return with no risk to his health, great. He is a very good player when healthy.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I can't answer that as it may relate to a football player. Many don't make it back to find out. What I can tell you is that half will have some element of degeneration of disc space above and/or below the repaired level. Worsening of these areas can be expected in well over half due to the stresses now being transfered to the "good" levels. Furthermore, it is not uncommon for new areas to degenerated within a few years. Reoperation for cervical discectomy/fusion at one point in time for one reason or another is around 10%, and operation for new level degeneration 10-15." Most of the athlete recommendations to return to sports activities relate to sports such as tennis, weight lifting, golf, maybe basketball. Violent contact sports such as football and rugby don't present much data since, evidently, there are not enough numbers that return.............not only due to fear of reinjury, but also due to continued pain and/or numbness, or failure of return of strength to original level of competition (not unusual).
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Thanks for the info

This sounds like a difficult injury for a golfer,much less a RB.
 
Mailman said:
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.
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First: With the Texans history of being less than forthcoming about injuries and Domanick Davis in our rear view mirror I think people have every right to be concerned to the point of expecting the worst. It's not like there isn't plenty of precedent for it.

Second Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to put the rock on the ground every time he touches the football. That's absolutely as true as what you just said. He had a brilliant rookie season but damn man, he was a fumbling machine last season. I was worried almost every time he touched the football. If you don't understand how that can knock a bunch of folks off of your bandwagon then I don't know any other way to explain it to you. Add to that the slow start he got where he absolutely looked slow and chubby and it's a no brainer to me. He's got to prove it all over again and that's not just fair, it's tremendously common in the NFL. Until he can and does he's just another flash in the pan.
 
badboy said:
Historically the Texans comments on the health of their players have been vague at best. Any injury as significant as cervical surgery, will always wave a red flag for me. Also the "fact" that a player tells me anything about his injury goes in one ear and out the other. Most of them would crawl onto the game field. Research the comments made by the Texans on the health of one Tony Boselli who was cleared by Texans doctors. Here is a link
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/tony-boselli/
http://cjonline.com/stories/101602/spo_boselli.shtml

If Slaton can return with no risk to his health, great. He is a very good player when healthy.
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See, that's a reasonable response and I don't disagree with any of it. However, he just had the surgery and we are still two months away from the draft and five months from the start of training camp. Until we have more information about his medical situation, it's all guesswork right now, even if it is educated.
 
Mailman said:
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.
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I thik everybody on this MB hopes Slaton makes it back. Is it wrong to plan for the future as if SS wont be back this year? This appears to be a serious injury. Slaton doesn't know for sure that he'll be back. Neither does anybody else. This situation is currently fluid. IMHO

It would be poor planning if Smithiak didn't have an alternative plan.
 
With my medical knowledge my common sense tells me he wouldnt be back this year and he will probably injure himself again if he does! But the man says he is good and full speed ahead! Time will tell!
 
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/LiveChat.asp

Above is the link for the live chat. I tried my best asking questions I thought people here would want to know.:whip:

After the 2006 season, and the stuff that went on with Domanick Davis (Williams), Kubiak made a big point that they will never assume that a player will be back from injury.

I hope Slaton is all good. But I'm sure they are going to get some help. Fix the running game has become a broken record.
 
It was nice seeing his comment about Pitts. Now I guess we wait and see what we decide to do about him. I want to keep him.

Jon - Tomball, TX, US: How do you feel about the depth on the OL now that alot of people got some much needed playing time and have you talked with Chester Pitt's, just wondering how his injury is doing? Thanks

Steve Slaton (12:57:55 PM): I feel positive going into the season with our O-line. I've worked with both groups and I feel they're both capable of opening up big running lanes. As far as Chester Pitts, he's ready to go right now.
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HOU-TEX said:
It was nice seeing his comment about Pitts. Now I guess we wait and see what we decide to do about him. I want to keep him.
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Great info HOUTEX and thanks for sharing this. A thread I created a couple weeks ago asking about injury updates was merged and I have nothing since. I have changed my opinion and think Pitts will be re-signed at a reasonable deal. We know what we have in this very steady, solid LG. He is a big strong dude, familiar with ZBS and the players. He has had Kubes support and is always on the field. He will help Duane Brown and Myers and the running game. I will be surprised if we used a draft pick above 4 on a OG. I will now post my most recent mock.
 
badboy said:
Great info HOUTEX and thanks for sharing this. A thread I created a couple weeks ago asking about injury updates was merged and I have nothing since. I have changed my opinion and think Pitts will be re-signed at a reasonable deal. We know what we have in this very steady, solid LG. He is a big strong dude, familiar with ZBS and the players. He has had Kubes support and is always on the field. He will help Duane Brown and Myers and the running game. I will be surprised if we used a draft pick above 4 on a OG. I will now post my most recent mock.
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If we do decide to keep Pitts, I still want Myers replaced. I was watching some of the Phins game at lunch and he was pushed backwards on running plays a couple times in the short time I was able to watch. I think it was McDaniel (everage, at best) that beat him pretty bad. Personally, he'd be the first I'd replace and RG would be 2nd. Somebody (Caldwell!!) needs to step up and take the position or we need to find somebody that will.

We've got like 6-7 games against 3-4 teams this season. If we don't improve the interior we will be in the same predicament as this past season with our running game
 
For all the "Boselli/Domanick Davis/can't trust the Texans" talk, here's a name in rebuttal:

Andre Johnson

I had him on my fantasy team that season, so I remember how many of us thought his 2007 season was over because he didn't return from the knee sprain within 2-3 weeks, especially right after the team released more information detailing the nature of the injury. AJ came back with a vengeance the very same year (too late for my fantasy team, however).

At the time, CND posted about the potential for reinjury in the future, and many here took that in the most negative light possible. Then, when AJ had the knee scoped in the offseason, many an eyebrow raised in TT land, even though CND was positive about it.

Perhaps we should stop assuming the worst about the coaching/medical staff just because of what happened with Double D?
 
I have always tried to post "background" on medical issues solely to afford MB members a basic understanding of injuries in question.........at the same time qualifying that indeed none of us have access to exact details of specific medical histories. These backgrounders are presented from a neutral standpoint. They are based on fact and logic. There may be "superhealers" out there that fall out of the realistic recovery to full performance period. But, there are many more that follow the longer conservative interval for return.................or fall out altogether. "Simple" is a lay term. "Cervical fusion," virtually always accompanied by discectomy, may be a relatively "simple" operation to perform. But it is a "major" surgery, which carries with it not only significant risks of the bone graft procedure anatomically, but also the unknowns as to the ultimate functional recovery.........more importantly, not of a couch potato, but of a full-contact football "warrior."

I remain hopeful, but guarded as to the time span and extent of Slaton's recovery.
 
Mailman said:
Sounds to me like some posters here need to back off the "Slaton is finished" stuff.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why everyone has completely jumped off his bandwagon. Steve Slaton is a very good running back who is a legitimate threat to house it every time he touches the football.
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I don't think people jumped off the bandwagon, they were concerned with the injury. Now Steve Slaton claimed he was fine and would be 100% by camp. But what else is he going to say? He has to remain positive in order to complete his rehab and recovery.

Plus, CloakNNNdagger has shown over the years to be quite knowledgeable when it comes to medical situations. When CND speaks, I listen. I trust CND who has a strong medical background over a player who knows nothing about medicine.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have always tried to post "background" on medical issues solely to afford MB members a basic understanding of injuries in question.........at the same time qualifying that indeed none of us have access to exact details of specific medical histories. These backgrounders are presented from a neutral standpoint. They are based on fact and logic. There may be "superhealers" out there that fall out of the realistic recovery to full performance period. But, there are many more that follow the longer conservative interval for return.................or fall out altogether. "Simple" is a lay term. "Cervical fusion," virtually always accompanied by discectomy, may be a relatively "simple" operation to perform. But it is a "major" surgery, which carries with it not only significant risks of the bone graft procedure anatomically, but also the unknowns as to the ultimate functional recovery.........more importantly, not of a couch potato, but of a full-contact football "warrior."

I remain hopeful, but guarded as to the time span and extent of Slaton's recovery.
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Thank you as always for explaining the situation to the rest of us!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have always tried to post "background" on medical issues solely to afford MB members a basic understanding of injuries in question.........at the same time qualifying that indeed none of us have access to exact details of specific medical histories. These backgrounders are presented from a neutral standpoint. They are based on fact and logic. There may be "superhealers" out there that fall out of the realistic recovery to full performance period. But, there are many more that follow the longer conservative interval for return.................or fall out altogether. "Simple" is a lay term. "Cervical fusion," virtually always accompanied by discectomy, may be a relatively "simple" operation to perform. But it is a "major" surgery, which carries with it not only significant risks of the bone graft procedure anatomically, but also the unknowns as to the ultimate functional recovery.........more importantly, not of a couch potato, but of a full-contact football "warrior."

I remain hopeful, but guarded as to the time span and extent of Slaton's recovery.
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Everything I posted about this is true to the best of my knowledge. I still say i won't absolutely believe it until I see the guy suited up and absorbing a blow from a linebacker. I hope the guy comes back and gets paid. But I also know what I know. This isn't just a broken arm.
 
awtysst said:
I don't think people jumped off the bandwagon, they were concerned with the injury. Now Steve Slaton claimed he was fine and would be 100% by camp. But what else is he going to say? He has to remain positive in order to complete his rehab and recovery.

Plus, CloakNNNdagger has shown over the years to be quite knowledgeable when it comes to medical situations. When CND speaks, I listen. I trust CND who has a strong medical background over a player who knows nothing about medicine.
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This MB is very lucky to have someone of C-N-D's knowledge trying to explain the intracies of injuries/surgeries. He usually lays out best/wosrt case senarios.

I just want to say thanks for taking the time to explain things to a layman like me. In a way that's easy to understand.

C-N-D

I would rep you if I could.

Thanks
 
Mailman said:
Here's a thread to remind everyone about not jumping to conclusions without the benefit of all the facts.
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Knnes are one thing, necks are another.

Ask M.Irvin,F.Bush,Alstott or Moose Johnston about playing football and neck injuries.

Not many players make it back from neck injuries that require sugery and continue their NFL careers.

I hope Slaton beats the odds. It's sad to see a guy with his talent go down.
 
steelbtexan said:
This MB is very lucky to have someone of C-N-D's knowledge trying to explain the intracies of injuries/surgeries. He usually lays out best/wosrt case senarios.

I just want to say thanks for taking the time to explain things to a layman like me. In a way that's easy to understand.

C-N-D

I would rep you if I could.

Thanks
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Explaining diagnoses and whatnot is great. I appreciate it, too. However, giving conclusions based on media reports is speculative and not based on the actual medical reports. And y'all eat it up and go crazy with paranoia under the supposition that every injury-related piece of news that comes from the Texans is not credible.
 
Mailman said:
Here's a thread to remind everyone about not jumping to conclusions without the benefit of all the facts.
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Shortly after the last post of the above thread, Merriman, after just one game, changed his mind about his ability to play on his injured knee, and smartly underwent his needed reconstruction.
 
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