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Sign Vonta Leach now
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The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
wildroot
Veteran
Dosen't look like it's going to happen.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/21/report-texans-unlikely-to-re-sign-fb-leach/
It dosen't pay to excel on this team.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/21/report-texans-unlikely-to-re-sign-fb-leach/
It dosen't pay to excel on this team.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And what source does ProFootballWeekly have within the Texans?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
who knows, but the Texans are stupid if they don't resign Vonta. How much does the highest paid FB make now anyways? 2-3 mil per?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
His last contract made him the highest paid FB in the league and that was prior to his proving himself as he has the last couple years but shows the Texans aren't averse to that concept. Don't know what the highest would be right now but somewhere around there.
The writer covers the Jags, not the Texans and graduated Hotel and Restaurant management school just a few years ago. Looks like speculation to me.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Hell, that reporter sounds like me!!! Except I took EE in college. LOL
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm just now tuning into this. Did we let Vonta go?
No we just didn't get him signed before the lockout so can't talk to him until there is a new CBA.
Leach:
First I want to address my contract situation I would love to staysl with the Texans, but front office wants to go in a different (continued)
Me nor my agent have spoke with them since my agent met with Chris Olsen at combine (they talk to all agents at combine) (continued)
I played in the league long enough to know when writing is on the wall If i played my last game as a Texan I enjoyed my 5 years
To my teammates keep working hard y'all will get things turned around, to the fans the best fans and deserve a winning franchise
@RobertMathis98 I'm not in the future plans
@Elmer_A_Quint i want my market value
@Smitty74allday(Wade Smith) thanks big dog I enjoyed playing with u
http://twitter.com/vleach44
First I want to address my contract situation I would love to staysl with the Texans, but front office wants to go in a different (continued)
Me nor my agent have spoke with them since my agent met with Chris Olsen at combine (they talk to all agents at combine) (continued)
I played in the league long enough to know when writing is on the wall If i played my last game as a Texan I enjoyed my 5 years
To my teammates keep working hard y'all will get things turned around, to the fans the best fans and deserve a winning franchise
@RobertMathis98 I'm not in the future plans
@Elmer_A_Quint i want my market value
@Smitty74allday(Wade Smith) thanks big dog I enjoyed playing with u
http://twitter.com/vleach44
wildroot
Veteran
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
What's sad is that Vonta is in a class of a handfull of long tenured Texans, second only to AJ IIRC. It's not like the Texans have too many true lead veterans.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sad note.
ArianFoster
RT @vleach44 thanks man keep grinding undrafted guys like u and myself is what this league about, proving people wrong and showing u belong
13 hours ago »
ArianFoster
@vleach44 you've been my mentor in this league. I wish you all the best bro. You deserve what your looking for. You got a teammate fir life!
15 hours ago
ArianFoster
RT @vleach44 thanks man keep grinding undrafted guys like u and myself is what this league about, proving people wrong and showing u belong
13 hours ago »
ArianFoster
@vleach44 you've been my mentor in this league. I wish you all the best bro. You deserve what your looking for. You got a teammate fir life!
15 hours ago
PapaL
Loose Screw
I've been following @vleach44 He's obviously broken up about it. It's some BS. Pay the man!
I agree. This is ridiculous....I couldn't understand the OD signing considering we have a stable of tight ends...but we need Vonta...guy not only was a run and pass blocker, but the dude also had somewhat good hands to take the pass out of the backfield.
I will be extremely dissapointed with this organization again if this happens.
Leach on 610:
Heard these stories. Do you expect to play for Houston again?
I want to play for them again but Houston has to want me. Keep it like that.
McClain: Why do you think that? They told me they'll talk to your agent after lockout.
Got holes on D. They want to throw more. They didnt contact me. Tell tale sign.
Had great year and Pro Bowl year. You feel you need to be paid as top FB?
Not necessarily. I want market value for FBs. [Reeled off the money and years of about 4 other FBs, Vonta clearly did his homework, ha] Look at FBs in PHI, and ATL. I feel I should be up there.
Someone has done their homework.
Oh yeah.
What are you doing to stay in shape?
Wake up early, doing cardio, working out, and playing basketball. Doing my same training program as every year.
You said you dont think they want you is because they're throwing or want to throw the ball more. They did have the leading rusher.
Thats what we said also but I dont know. I want to be a Texan but Texans have to want me.
Maybe they'll have to throw more if they dont re-sign you.
Vonta (laughing)
Many characterize you as a guy who doesnt get much touches. Clearly your role is as blocking back invaluable. Do you feel that works against you?
Reason I dont catch a lot is #1,2 options are always open. When ball does come my way, I always catch it.
...
Do you feel your teammates, FO dont feel you are a necessity in the offense? Do they understand?
They text me and stuff. A lot of people that know football know how important I am to the team. They know I open the holes or sell the run on PA.
You feel like you play important role off the field?
Im a vocal guy in the lockerroom. Can talk to anyone.
Discussing a few minutes ago, a possible fracture in the players that there might be spliture group forming. Thoughts on the unity of the players in this work stoppage? Optimistic?
I feel there are no guys will be breaking off. Standing strong as one voice, one team. No names have surfaced in those reports.
With Wade coming in and with his track record, you see that they hired proven DC, and of course you know the O, what are you expecting?
Capable of winning the whole thing. Couple pieces away from playoffs and winning the whole thing. That was Kubiak's goal when he came here.
If I had to ask you, will you be a Houston Texan, answer?
I want to be.
We hope you are. Good luck.
Appreciate it. Thanks
McClain: They'll make him an offer though dont know what it'll be.
Heard these stories. Do you expect to play for Houston again?
I want to play for them again but Houston has to want me. Keep it like that.
McClain: Why do you think that? They told me they'll talk to your agent after lockout.
Got holes on D. They want to throw more. They didnt contact me. Tell tale sign.
Had great year and Pro Bowl year. You feel you need to be paid as top FB?
Not necessarily. I want market value for FBs. [Reeled off the money and years of about 4 other FBs, Vonta clearly did his homework, ha] Look at FBs in PHI, and ATL. I feel I should be up there.
Someone has done their homework.
Oh yeah.
What are you doing to stay in shape?
Wake up early, doing cardio, working out, and playing basketball. Doing my same training program as every year.
You said you dont think they want you is because they're throwing or want to throw the ball more. They did have the leading rusher.
Thats what we said also but I dont know. I want to be a Texan but Texans have to want me.
Maybe they'll have to throw more if they dont re-sign you.
Vonta (laughing)
Many characterize you as a guy who doesnt get much touches. Clearly your role is as blocking back invaluable. Do you feel that works against you?
Reason I dont catch a lot is #1,2 options are always open. When ball does come my way, I always catch it.
...
Do you feel your teammates, FO dont feel you are a necessity in the offense? Do they understand?
They text me and stuff. A lot of people that know football know how important I am to the team. They know I open the holes or sell the run on PA.
You feel like you play important role off the field?
Im a vocal guy in the lockerroom. Can talk to anyone.
Discussing a few minutes ago, a possible fracture in the players that there might be spliture group forming. Thoughts on the unity of the players in this work stoppage? Optimistic?
I feel there are no guys will be breaking off. Standing strong as one voice, one team. No names have surfaced in those reports.
With Wade coming in and with his track record, you see that they hired proven DC, and of course you know the O, what are you expecting?
Capable of winning the whole thing. Couple pieces away from playoffs and winning the whole thing. That was Kubiak's goal when he came here.
If I had to ask you, will you be a Houston Texan, answer?
I want to be.
We hope you are. Good luck.
Appreciate it. Thanks
McClain: They'll make him an offer though dont know what it'll be.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Rep!
I'm not following the Texan's logic. As I see it, even their passing game will suffer.
I'm not following the Texan's logic. As I see it, even their passing game will suffer.
drs23
Veteran
Thanks HSF09.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Relax people!! It'll happen when they are permitted to sign players (especially Pro-Bowlers!!!
That said,
That said,
I really like Vonta, but I guess I am one of the few that would not be upset if we didn't retain him if he is wanting a boatload of money...
He's not on the field as much as a lot of other starters, and I think our offense played better when we opened the game up/spread the defense out...Hopefully in the upcoming season we see more of that type of offense....Vonta was and is a tremendous asset to our running game but I don't think Arian will fall off the map because he's not running behind Vonta...I think Casey or some other FB could get the job done...And I think Casey would bring more versatility to the table...
Obviously it will hurt us some not having Vonta clearing out holes on running plays, but I really think that his potential loss could be accounted for...JMO...but I would prefer to bring him back.
He's not on the field as much as a lot of other starters, and I think our offense played better when we opened the game up/spread the defense out...Hopefully in the upcoming season we see more of that type of offense....Vonta was and is a tremendous asset to our running game but I don't think Arian will fall off the map because he's not running behind Vonta...I think Casey or some other FB could get the job done...And I think Casey would bring more versatility to the table...
Obviously it will hurt us some not having Vonta clearing out holes on running plays, but I really think that his potential loss could be accounted for...JMO...but I would prefer to bring him back.
GP
Go Texans!
I have mixed feelings.
On one hand, I appreciate what he brings to the table. He's a consistent run blocker, linebackers hate seeing him coming their way, and he's decent catching the pass and making a few yards out of nothing.
However, we can't pay everyone what they want. This is how you handcuff your team from making other moves (such as being able to sign a top tier free agent CB). If he wants too much, which is relative to what we want to allocate to the salary pool of the whole roster, then we can't do it and we shouldn't do it.
I hope we can fit him in, but if we can't then I guess we'll see what James Casey can do. And/or we can try and raise up another "Vonta Leach" from scratch somehow.
All in all, I want a freaking competent secondary and that has GOT to mean buying a CB in free agency who isn't the standard Texans "just a guy" CB that we've always had. No offense to Aaron Glenn--You're actually the best CB we've ever had, and we only got you at the end of your career...so, that's not your fault. This team's secondary has been perennially awful for five years now. It has to be upgraded. Get a top tier free agent CB AND throw the whole freaking draft at the CB and Safety position for all I care--Just get 20 guys and let them fight it out for the four positions, please.
/rant
On one hand, I appreciate what he brings to the table. He's a consistent run blocker, linebackers hate seeing him coming their way, and he's decent catching the pass and making a few yards out of nothing.
However, we can't pay everyone what they want. This is how you handcuff your team from making other moves (such as being able to sign a top tier free agent CB). If he wants too much, which is relative to what we want to allocate to the salary pool of the whole roster, then we can't do it and we shouldn't do it.
I hope we can fit him in, but if we can't then I guess we'll see what James Casey can do. And/or we can try and raise up another "Vonta Leach" from scratch somehow.
All in all, I want a freaking competent secondary and that has GOT to mean buying a CB in free agency who isn't the standard Texans "just a guy" CB that we've always had. No offense to Aaron Glenn--You're actually the best CB we've ever had, and we only got you at the end of your career...so, that's not your fault. This team's secondary has been perennially awful for five years now. It has to be upgraded. Get a top tier free agent CB AND throw the whole freaking draft at the CB and Safety position for all I care--Just get 20 guys and let them fight it out for the four positions, please.
/rant
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
GP
Go Texans!
I think I can buy that IF we're talking about the up-the-middle punishment.
On the edges, Casey was a beast blocker. I remember one block around the left side, that sprung Foster for a TD run...Casey obliterated his guy. I jumped off the couch when it happened. I re-ran that play for about 3 minutes, over and over and over.
Technically, "Yes, Leach absorbed a lot of punishment." I just don't know if we can keep him at what he might be asking. Leach to the run game, IMO, is a lot more valuable than a three-times knee injury Owen Daniels is to the passing game. People get all hung up on Owen Daniels and how he MUST be a part of this offense. Which would we rather have: The guy who blocks and springs Foster, or a tight end who is a ticking time bomb with his knees?
I would pick Leach. What if Leach departs and our run game suffers for it? That would be HUGE if it turns out the big guy was more valuable than what any of us could have ever imagined. I just think with how our run game can be so fluid and so dynamic, we need to retain those pieces and ADD to them...not take away from it. I hope it gets done, but I know it's a numbers game if it doesn't.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Hopefully the $$$$ not spent signing Leach will be spent signing a Competent CB.
ASO,Joseph,Taylor,Wilson etc....
History says it wont happen
See Dunta walking and not spending $$$$ on a top Tier FA/Peppers.
ASO,Joseph,Taylor,Wilson etc....
History says it wont happen
See Dunta walking and not spending $$$$ on a top Tier FA/Peppers.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Just sign the guy... We've blown way more money on lesser talent and outright busts. Get it done please.
False Start
On # 69
Exactly! Vonta is a reason that run game was so good last year IMO,he was blowin up people left and right. Hell, hes been wreckin shop every season since hes been playing, and hes good at catching the ball as well. I just don't think the offense will be the same without him.
He also brings some intensity, and attitude to the offense. I love his reaction on this play.
Casey may do well, but hes nowhere near as good a blocker that Leach is.
I agree that Vonta is a A reason...
But Vonta has been here for a few years now. I think that getting a good RB and a consistent approach to the running game has helped more than anything...
False Start
On # 69
Lorenzo Neal is a BIG fan, lol.
He makes some very good points in this interview, he calls him "The Onion."
He makes some very good points in this interview, he calls him "The Onion."
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Even if Vonta is only A reason, can the Texans afford to lose ANY important component to the running (and the passing) game on the bet that a replacement will be undisruptive and nondestructive to its success?
I say, "Don't mess with Texas or the Texans." Let Vonta do the messing........with everyone else.
Even if Vonta is only A reason, can the Texans afford to lose ANY important component to the running (and the passing) game on the bet that a replacement will be undisruptive and nondestructive to its success?
I say, "Don't mess with Texas or the Texans." Let Vonta do the messing........with everyone else.
I think that the lack of having Vonta can be off-set...Spreading the defense out/Opening up the offense...
But besides that, I think that Arian is the main cog in the running game.
As far as Leach's importance in the passing game, I honestly don't think he has any more impact there than a guy like James Casey would. Sure Vonta is the better blocker, but Casey is a legitimate receiving threat...
I love what Vonta brings to the game as much as anyone else, but I would not like to severely overpay for him. I can live with overpaying...but it just depends on how much he wants to be overpaid....
If the Texans are thinking: "do we want to overpay Vonta, or overpay for a legit FA corner?"....I'd much rather they go after that corner...
As people have said...the offense is dominant (
)...If that's the case, then you can afford to lose a guy like Vonta and at the least still be very, very good...JMO...
wildroot
Veteran
I think that the lack of having Vonta can be off-set...Spreading the defense out/Opening up the offense...
But besides that, I think that Arian is the main cog in the running game.
As far as Leach's importance in the passing game, I honestly don't think he has any more impact there than a guy like James Casey would. Sure Vonta is the better blocker, but Casey is a legitimate receiving threat...
I love what Vonta brings to the game as much as anyone else, but I would not like to severely overpay for him. I can live with overpaying...but it just depends on how much he wants to be overpaid....
If the Texans are thinking: "do we want to overpay Vonta, or overpay for a legit FA corner?"....I'd much rather they go after that corner...
As people have said...the offense is dominant (
Don't confuse overpaying and paying market value. Vonta was a Pro-Bowler and had a great season as FBs go. Also, I don't think I remember Vonta dropping a ball thrown to him last season as far a recieving threats go.
I'm not confusing anything...Notice that I have consistently used the word IF when it comes to his contract situation...I have no idea how much he is asking for...And I even said that I would overpay...I just wouldn't overpay to the point that his contract was ridiculous or to where it hurt our ability to acquire talent at other positions...
Maybe you disagree, but I don't see any way that Vonta is more of a receiving threat than Casey....
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I have been somewhat of a Rick Smith apologist from time to time, but if he doesn't get this deal done, I'm through defending him. It's such a no-brainer.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Lorenzo Neal is a BIG fan, lol.
He makes some very good points in this interview, he calls him "The Onion."
It's funny you mention Lorenzo Neal because when I was reading the top of this page the first thing I thought of was what life was like for Eddie George after Lorenzo Neal left Tenn for San Diego. Then I started thinking about what life was like for Tomlinson with and without Lorenzo Neal. Tomlinson was a monster when he had Lorenzo Neal blocking for him. He became a bit more human when Lorenzo Neal left them.
I believe the same thing could happen for Arian Foster. How many times when did we hear the announcer talk about what Vonta did in order to spring Foster to the outside and get some yards?
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I think that losing Vonta Leach will impact this team's run game the same way Fred Taylor leaving San Diego impacted them. A great blocking fullback can greatly improve even the best runningback's production.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
When did Fred Taylor play in San Diego?
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Keeping Vonta is critical. Absolutely critical.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...a-leach-shopping-himself-to-every-team-today/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...a-leach-shopping-himself-to-every-team-today/
It's one thing if they don't resign him because they threw money at Aso and or one of the other good CB's out there, but if they don't resign him and refuse to spend any money, then people will see this for what it is. Sacrificing wins to save a buck. Let's see if they prove Second Honeymoon right once and for all.