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TexansTrueFan said:
i think its embarrassing people dont support him, as long as he is our starter and is wearing a texans jersey i think he should get our support ! i remember watching the game against the colts where we won, and i saw people with bags on their heads at the beginning of the game, i didnt see them anymore after and right before we won. Funny how peoples feeling change with a lil success !
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Just because I love and support my team doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on what needs to be done to improve it.

If David is our QB next year, then I'm going to be rooting and cheering for him when he steps on that field. But I can't lie and say I don't think someone else could perform better with the same supporting cast. And I can't lie and say that every time he drops back, I don't have butterflies in my stomach singing "don't screw up" in chorus.
 
TexansTrueFan said:
i think its embarrassing people dont support him, as long as he is our starter and is wearing a texans jersey i think he should get our support ! i remember watching the game against the colts where we won, and i saw people with bags on their heads at the beginning of the game, i didnt see them anymore after and right before we won. Funny how peoples feeling change with a lil success !
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My feelings about this guy NEVER change. He wasn't the reason we beat Indy 27-24. We ran the ball down their throats all game long. It's time we get a QB capable of more than 10-28, 141 yds, 1 TD, 2 INTs / game. That's pathetic. And don't tell me how he led the NFL in completion percentage. Over half of those throws were 4 and 5 yard dump offs to RBs. PFT! This guy was done a disservice in 2002 by being thrown directly into the fire and that is unfortunate. However, we need to move on as a team and start winning some more games. WITHOUT David Carr.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Just because I love and support my team doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on what needs to be done to improve it.

If David is our QB next year, then I'm going to be rooting and cheering for him when he steps on that field. But I can't lie and say I don't think someone else could perform better with the same supporting cast. And I can't lie and say that every time he drops back, I don't have butterflies in my stomach singing "don't screw up" in chorus.
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i was replying to HoustonFrog or whatever his name is, about him beign embarrased, not all fans. It was directed soley to him and noone else !
 
TexansTrueFan said:
i was replying to HoustonFrog or whatever his name is, about him beign embarrased, not all fans. It was directed soley to him and noone else !
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Eric Moulds had single coverage ALL DAY in the Tennessee game. David NEVER looked at him. Chris Taylor was lined up at fullback for ONE play the entire game. He was wide open, with just a MLB to beat. David NEVER looked at him. I see a pattern here....
 
Come on peeps! I'm no carr fan but there is no need for a thread like this. BTW, the definition of disdain is: lack of respect accompanied by a feeling of intense dislike.
 
TexansTrueFan said:
i was replying to HoustonFrog or whatever his name is, about him beign embarrased, not all fans. It was directed soley to him and noone else !
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I'm not embarrassed about the team or the people I support. I'm embarrassed at times that people think that sports or a team hits a point where they are infallible. There are QBs, RBs, and many top draft picks that fail. A minute percentage make it in the NFL. I'm just stunned that people who follow the game think that you can actually just wait and give someone the "bubble" perfect scenario before they can judge a guy. If that was the M.O. then the Ryan Leafs of the world..guys with strong arms and a good college career would be standing in line waiting for a line, RB and perfect situation.
 
kbourda said:
Come on peeps! I'm no carr fan but there is no need for a thread like this. BTW, the definition of disdain is: lack of respect accompanied by a feeling of intense dislike.
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i don't know about everyone else, but that's how i feel about David Carr. I have a lack of respect for the guy because he shows no heart, no intesnse desire to get to the next level. I VERY intensely dislike this guy being our QB. Is there any way we can still draft Vince Young? Just checking.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm not embarrassed about the team or the people I support. I'm embarrassed at times that people think that sports or a team hits a point where they are infallible. There are QBs, RBs, and many top draft picks that fail. A minute percentage make it in the NFL. I'm just stunned that people who follow the game think that you can actually just wait and give someone the "bubble" perfect scenario before they can judge a guy. If that was the M.O. then the Ryan Leafs of the world..guys with strong arms and a good college career would be standing in line waiting for a line, RB and perfect situation.
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maybe next year we can go 7-9!! YES!! a whole game difference. break out the confetti for the big party. woohoo.

This team has been poorly run since its inception in 2002. If this team REFUSES to acknowledge the need to move David Carr out of Houston, it will just be the icing on the cake. In all fairness, Gary should've gotten rid of him when he got here. It makes perfect sense....struggling QB, new coach, NEW QB. It's not rocket science.
 
Navy_Chris said:
maybe next year we can go 7-9!! YES!! a whole game difference. break out the confetti for the big party. woohoo.

This team has been poorly run since its inception in 2002. If this team REFUSES to acknowledge the need to move David Carr out of Houston, it will just be the icing on the cake. In all fairness, Gary should've gotten rid of him when he got here. It makes perfect sense....struggling QB, new coach, NEW QB. It's not rocket science.
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You know my post was was not it support of Carr but was commenting on the blind support, right?
 
Disdain is the proper word to describe my feelings towards Carr threads, pro or con...

It's like the movie "Groundhog's Day", except merely re-living every day would be preferable at this point to re-living every day and being forced to listen to a broken record every waking hour...

I acknowledge the inherent right of the people to criticize, or praise David Carr as they so choose, but good Lord, it's like a continuous painful ringing in my ear...

The "detainees" in Guantanamo should thank Allah they aren't Texans fans... if they were, these threads would be much more effective than any torture the government could dream up...
 
TexansTrueFan said:
beating the Cowboys in 02 while throwing 2 TDs, well thats a pretty good reason, sure i know it was 5 years ago but come on its still one of my best memories. Where were you guys at in 04 when we went 7-9, i didnt see all you anti carr posters then !
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I agree, beating the Cowboys was one of, if not the best moments in franchise history. But you have to admit that was a long time ago and Carr is regressing, not getting better.
 
michaelm said:
Disdain is the proper word to describe my feelings towards Carr threads, pro or con...

It's like the movie "Groundhog's Day", except merely re-living every day would be preferable at this point to re-living every day and being forced to listen to a broken record every waking hour...

I acknowledge the inherent right of the people to criticize, or praise David Carr as they so choose, but good Lord, it's like a continuous painful ringing in my ear...

The "detainees" in Guantanamo should thank Allah they aren't Texans fans... if they were, these threads would be much more effective than any torture the government could dream up...
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Great post!

It's the reason why I want Carr gone. I'm just sick of the whole Carr issue, period.
 
Porky said:
Carr needs to go.

That's all.

Discuss your disdain here. No positive posts please. I didn't post in your lovefest, so stay away from my hatefest.


(equal time is fair) :ok:
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So Porky how does it feel that this is your year? This is the year of the :pigfly: as Double Barrel said it. :joker:

i say its time for a change that way we can stop with all the DC threads! I hope he succeeds someplace else.
 
michaelm said:
Disdain is the proper word to describe my feelings towards Carr threads, pro or con...

It's like the movie "Groundhog's Day", except merely re-living every day would be preferable at this point to re-living every day and being forced to listen to a broken record every waking hour...

I acknowledge the inherent right of the people to criticize, or praise David Carr as they so choose, but good Lord, it's like a continuous painful ringing in my ear...

The "detainees" in Guantanamo should thank Allah they aren't Texans fans... if they were, these threads would be much more effective than any torture the government could dream up...
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it does seem like it is neverending. i dont have many great things to say about DC, but i dont start threads just to bash him that just rehash things we have already seen. it's like those on both sides are trying to outdo each other with these "praise carr/diss carr" dueling threads. this needs to be over with soon--whether they move him or not.
 
kbourda said:
Come on peeps! I'm no carr fan but there is no need for a thread like this. BTW, the definition of disdain is: lack of respect accompanied by a feeling of intense dislike.
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i cant believe...i am actually agreeing with you. all this is like beating your head against the wall, over and over again.
 
Heath Shuler said:
Chicken and the egg, lol.
The O-line has gone through many changes, what has been the one constant from day 1?
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Let me guess. How about the constant changing O-line that you mentioned? :lightbulb:

Good job Heath!..:highfive:

Seems to me that you recognized the problem without realizing it.. :secret:



:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
Let me guess. How about the constant changing O-line that you mentioned? :lightbulb:
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Pitts, Weary and McKinney started the first game for the Texans in '02 and the last game in '06.

I wonder how many other teams in the league had at least 3 of 5 of the same OL starters at the beginning and end of that 5 year/80 game period.
 
aj. said:
Pitts, Weary and McKinney started the first game for the Texans in '02 and the last game in '06.

I wonder how many other teams in the league had at least 3 of 5 of the same OL starters at the beginning and end of that 5 year/80 game period.
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...watch out AJ! The :homer: 's depend upon blaming the OL for Carr's 'play,' or lack there of...and, even worse, logic is a foregn word to them.
 
...watch out AJ! The 's depend upon blaming the OL for Carr's 'play,' or lack there of...and, even worse, logic is a foregn word to them.
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I'm not saying the OL personnel and coaching situation was never a factor, far from it, it's been a big issue. But people tend to use it too much as an excuse and I don't think it's as bad as what's being portrayed.
 
aj. said:
Pitts, Weary and McKinney started the first game for the Texans in '02 and the last game in '06.

I wonder how many other teams in the league had at least 3 of 5 of the same OL starters at the beginning and end of that 5 year/80 game period.
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AJ..one of the posters I respect more that most ...but kinda misleading don't you think?

They hardly played every game at the same position.

Lots of position changes and different players along side of them. Not real conducive to the much talked about O line chemistry.

I don't think you are one of the posters that I would need to point out the different positions the players you named have played in that 80 game period.

Or need to name the inept players that have played along side them.

Who, of the three you named, could have started for another team in the NFL?

Maybe this one constant could be one of our problems?

Just saying ... Carr isn't the only problem, or the most glaring.

I hope, like you apparently do, that Carr gets another chance somewhere else.

I just can't sit idly by while the haters blame him for everything from the war in Iraq to global warming.

I suspect that you will be as pleased as I will when these Carr threads end.


:coffee:
 
"Just saying ... Carr isn't the only problem, or the most glaring."

OK, I'll bite. Who is most glaring and-remember-we're talking about an individual and please back-up your opinion with facts...thanks.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Who, of the three you named, could have started for another team in the NFL?
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McKinney was a starter when we signed him. He's not great but he could start for more than one NFL team. That's one.

Pitts is a good o-lineman and could start for many teams. That's two.

Weary didn't break out until last season, getting Sherman in here may have saved his career. He could start for many teams now. That's three.

The line situation has been an issue, of course, but it isn't as bad as it's made out to be.

"Carr is part of the problem" are six words that are just as difficult for some people to say as "My name is so and so and I'm an alcoholic." .

The OL is part of the problem too, but stop making Carr out to be something he's not. He's an average QB who obviously needs a lot of high quality help around him, and he will continue to have similar problems as he's having here wherever he goes. Since you bring up the OL talent, it's obvious to me now that Carr was drafted way too early and with that came franchise QB type expectations. He's another Kyle Boller to me and it's not like he could walk in and start for every NFL team either.
 
Bye bye baby bye bye
It's your turn to cry
That's why we have to say goodbye
So say goodbye

Bye bye baby bye bye
It's your turn to cry
This time we have to say goodbye
So say goodbye
 
cuppacoffee said:
Let me guess. How about the constant changing O-line that you mentioned? :lightbulb:

Good job Heath!..:highfive:

Seems to me that you recognized the problem without realizing it.. :secret:



:coffee:
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Of the 43 (41 against Carr) sacks given up last year; what percentage would you assign responsibility to the O-line?
 
cuppacoffee said:
AJ..one of the posters I respect more that most ...but kinda misleading don't you think?

They hardly played every game at the same position.

Lots of position changes and different players along side of them. Not real conducive to the much talked about O line chemistry.

I don't think you are one of the posters that I would need to point out the different positions the players you named have played in that 80 game period.

Or need to name the inept players that have played along side them.

Who, of the three you named, could have started for another team in the NFL?

Maybe this one constant could be one of our problems?

Just saying ... Carr isn't the only problem, or the most glaring.

I hope, like you apparently do, that Carr gets another chance somewhere else.

I just can't sit idly by while the haters blame him for everything from the war in Iraq to global warming.

I suspect that you will be as pleased as I will when these Carr threads end.


:coffee:
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Wow, hyperbole and name calling all in the same sentence; that’s impressive.
 
Heath Shuler said:
Of the 43 (41 against Carr) sacks given up last year; what percentage would you assign responsibility to the O-line?
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of looking at Domanick and David up top on the banner.

I mean, it's a cute little touch...but, can we get some 'real' football players on there instead of a guy that gets paid to rehab and an overrated excuse for a quarterback?
 
Okay, I thought about it for a day. Yep, disdain still works for me.

Thanks to the mods for fixing my title.

And yes, can we please get like Democo and AJ on the top banner please. :ok:
 
Plain and simple, Carr is atrocious. HE NEEDS TO GO. At this point last year, I was defending him, but he let me, the city of Houston, and the Texans down. 5 years is enough. Carr lovers need to wake up and smell the fumes from the busted Carr because the rest of us are suffocating at this point...
 
NATHANHALE said:
...yeah, but I asked it 6 hrs ago, but that's typical. Carr's supporters seldom back up what they 'spout' off about and rarely-if ever-answer a question.
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when the season started, I think our biggest problem was Mike Flanagan. I'd call you a flat out liar if you told me he was a 300lb man. Linebackers were manhandling him like he was a 185lb WR trying to block. & he didn't stand a chance against a DT. Somehow, he started 9 games for us.

Hogdon played a little better. Didn't look like the sharpest tool in the shed though... I thought he'd catch on, but after 5 starts he didn't make the plays I thought should have been made... & I understand that I could be wrong about what his responsibilities should be. I do think he was an improvement over Flanagan in pass-pro, but that's not saying a lot. on running plays, he looked very adequate when he was in on a double team, but one on one with a DT, he couldn't get any push, and was shed very easily.

When McKinney came in, at center, I had to eat a lot of crow. I don't recall him playing very well as a Center in '05, but my high opinion of him now, may be due to crap we saw for 13 games.

Next to Flanagan & Hogdon, Weigart was the biggest liability in pass-pro. I think age has caught up with him, I can't think of one game he did not get outworked, either inside or out. He was however our best lineman in the run game, bar none. So I do understand him starting for so long. He could get out in space, and he could move the biggest DLman, and woe be unto any LB that got in his way.

Winston was a big drop off in the run game, which is why we started to pull Pitts to that side. Pass-pro was about the same when he first started, but I think he made good progress as the year went on. I'm not saying he could start for another team right now, & it might be wishful thinking that he'd be ready come September. But it doesn't make sense to start Weigart..... we've found a way to compensate for Winston's run blocking.. but not for Weigart's pass blocking.

McKinney as a guard was another problem... Weary was a huge improvement in both aspects of the game. For some reason McKinney couldn't clear a whole for our Running backs... he's bigger than Weary, and you'd think he'd run folks over. Weary didn't run anybody over, but if it was a run off the right guard, the DT wouldn't be there... or the DE, he did a much better job of rolling him onto the Center or RT, then getting to the second level. I think he needs to be more aggressive when getting to the second level, and punching the LBs instead of just putting his hands up and getting in the LBs way.

Again, McKinney is a bigger man, & he did well, staying in front of the DLman, but he'd get pushed back a lot quicker than Weary.

Edit: I just looked, and they are the same size... I thought McKinney looked bigger.....

Those were our biggest problems on the OL this year..... three guys who shouldn't have been starting. McKinney was still recovering from an injury as late as our third preseason game..... that may have had something to do with the way he performed early in the year, as opposed to the strength he showed at the end of the year. & I don't know what issues Flannagan had to deal with, but he didn't look worth a damn from day one.

Salaam & Pitts also had problems, but nothing like what I saw on the right side of the line. I find myself arguing in favor of Salaam, because he plays that important Left Tackle position. He played a lot better than I expected, especially against the "big name" DEs that he faced....... Darren Howard, Jason Taylor, Dwight Freeney, Demarcus Ware... I still think we can do better, and should... I think he's the best LT that we've had play that position, with the possible exception of Pitts back in the day. I'd love him to stay on this team, but I wouldn't expect him to play more than 5 games straight.

Overall, I think the OL looked as bad as it had in the past, until Hogdon had a couple of games under his belt. Then we looked more avg. With McKinney Weary & Winston I think we are avg..... of course the talent we played against when those guys got into the game dropped off quite a bit, so that may have me believing these guys are playing better than they really are.
 
NATHANHALE said:
"Just saying ... Carr isn't the only problem, or the most glaring."

OK, I'll bite. Who is most glaring and-remember-we're talking about an individual and please back-up your opinion with facts...thanks.
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Wrong again. We're not talking about an individual. I'll bold a few items to make it easier for you.

Read the post again.

"Lots of position changes and different players along side of them. Not real conducive to the much talked about O line chemistry.

I don't think you are one of the posters that I would need to point out the different positions the players you named have played in that 80 game period.

Or need to name the inept players that have played along side them.

Who, of the three you named, could have started for another team in the NFL?

Maybe this one constant could be one of our problems?"

Hope this helps.

You are welcome.

:coffee:
 
NATHANHALE said:
...yeah, but I asked it 6 hrs ago, but that's typical. Carr's supporters seldom back up what they 'spout' off about and rarely-if ever-answer a question.
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There are a lot of typicals around here..:shades:

Exactly what was "spouted off about?"..:potkettle:

BTW...I've noticed that some posters tend to ignore answers when they disagree with them.

Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner, didn't know you were on a message board posting schedule. :violin

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
There are a lot of typicals around here..:shades:

Exactly what was "spouted off about?"..:potkettle:

BTW...I've noticed that some posters tend to ignore answers when they disagree with them.

Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner, didn't know you were on a message board posting schedule. :violin

:coffee:
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Let me try to write this so even you can understand what I'm saying. First, you said Carr (an individual) was not the most glaring problem. I asked you to name an individual that was more glaring. As usual your response was to go into one of your 'talk in circle' chants that never answered my question.

Don't despair, however, as this is just the way you are and you can't help it--little 'posties' and all...
 
NATHANHALE said:
Let me try to write this so even you can understand what I'm saying. First, you said Carr (an individual) was not the most glaring problem. I asked you to name an individual that was more glaring. As usual your response was to go into one of your 'talk in circle' chants that never answered my question.

Don't despair, however, as this is just the way you are and you can't help it--little 'posties' and all...
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The problem is that you're the person who limited the label "glaring problem" to an individual.
If I say, "Carr isn't the most glaring problem, the OL is", are you going to say "they don't count... they're not an individual..?"
The OL CAN be the most glaring problem, despite David Carr's individuality...


BTW, I'm just debating semantics here... this is not a statement for or against DC or anyone else being the "glaring problem"...
 
michaelm said:
The problem is that you're the person who limited the label "glaring problem" to an individual.
If I say, "Carr isn't the most glaring problem, the OL is", are you going to say "they don't count... they're not an individual..?"
The OL CAN be the most glaring problem, despite David Carr's individuality...


BTW, I'm just debating semantics here... this is not a statement for or against DC or anyone else being the "glaring problem"...
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"Just saying ... Carr isn't the only problem, or the most glaring."

FYI, this was the post I was responding to--see the 3rd word? For me, he named an individual, so I was taking that as he had someone else in mind. His statement as he wrote it could be taken different ways...

If he had written the way you suggest, there is only 1 interpretation..did he ever answer the question either way?
 
NATHANHALE said:
"Just saying ... Carr isn't the only problem, or the most glaring."

FYI, this was the post I was responding to--see the 3rd word? For me, he named an individual, so I was taking that as he had someone else in mind. His statement as he wrote it could be taken different ways...

If he had written the way you suggest, there is only 1 interpretation..did he ever answer the question either way?
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As he wrote it, I took it to mean there is a more glaring PROBLEM, not necessarily person. For my 2 cents, no, there isn't, and he has no coherent point, but whatever. This is the disdain thread....poo on carr.
 
Count me as one who wants to get him out of here. Having a new QB, regardless who, would be a reason to get excited about Texans football next season.
 
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