I dont know,
Rodgers/Brees/Ryan/Ben/Wentz/Goff/Cousins/Wilson etc...
Many more will be making the jump within the next couple of yrs depending on how their contracts are structured. Mahomes/DW4/Mayfield/Allen/Dak.
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Should we trade Watson?
- Thread starter theCATALYST
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I dont know,
Rodgers/Brees/Ryan/Ben/Wentz/Goff/Cousins/Wilson etc...
Many more will be making the jump within the next couple of yrs depending on how their contracts are structured. Mahomes/DW4/Mayfield/Allen/Dak.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Another way to look at it is how much better numbers will a new QB have than Watson?
If you believe a new QB will win a SB with DC with no evidence, then by the same logic, you must consider that it could happen with Watson.
I dont believe the Texans will win a SB with Culley (He's a bridge HC.) or DW4. Regardless of whether DW4 stays or not.
In another post, you mentioned trading Watson, getting a QB on a rookie contract and then hoping for a championship. If Culley is not winning a Super Bowl and is here for four years, don't you have to extend the rookie QB or pick up his 5th year option with another HC? So, based on your 27 year theory, doesn't that mean in 4 years, you will be looking for another rookie QB?
I'm not sure if you're just trying to be pedantic or not.
What do they spend time trying to negotiate for in their cba?
And frankly what he makes is a poor argument. Sure 99.9% of people would take sh*t for his income. And 99.9% of people can't do what he can and so they'd have to put up with whatever for that money. There are 20+ companies that would pay him that money. He wants to work for one that he feels is more in line with how he sees things. And why shouldn't anyone who doesn't get along with their employer and can find opportunity elsewhere seek to do so, irrespective of their income?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Good point - a superstar QB is indeed an attractive incentive.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
“Acceptable working condition” is a poor choice of words. NRG isn’t a 3rd world facility where you need a hepatitis or tetanus shot to work at.
Especially because working conditions met his standards enough to sign a contract for the next four years less than six months ago.
Agent got paid on that deal. And now could get paid more on the trade if that plays through.
Coincidence?
Agreed. but the Texans just gave him $27M in good faith that he would be here for some time. The contract says 5 years though I'm sure in practice it doesn't "mean" five years.
But I know no one understood it to mean one. There's a built in out after three years. It would make more sense if he was doing this then.
That $27M dead cap hit the Texans will incur must be taken into account when considering compensation for the player. If the Texans are asking for the equivalent of four 2021 1st round draft picks Deshaun's camp has to understand most teams can't afford it & the rest won't.
And I agree. He should absolutely waive the no-trade clause if he's adamant about leaving.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You had enough forethought to answer your question before you asked it.
Why do they spend time negotiating in their CBA if “anyone” who doesn’t “get along” with they employer and can fin “opportunity“ elsewhere seek to do so?
Those words in apostrophes can mean anything.
Not just “anyone” can do what Watson is doing. If a kicker was doing it they would be cut.
“Getting along” can mean anything. We still don’t know what Cal or anyone else actually did. It isn’t weird that Watson hasn’t gone public with specifics.
“Opportunity?” Should everyone go work at the preceding Super Bowl winner for the best opportunity?
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I don't think the question is about the team winning with or without Watson. I believe they stand a better chance to win with him, the problem is their ability to put a good team around him. Ultimately as a player that "should" be their concern but other agendas are definitely possible. Looking at the Texans scenario, I'm not confident in their ability to overcome that. Watson or no Watson, the current roster is not winning anything. It's not all doom and gloom though, if they can address 3 priorities I believe the team is right back in the playoff hunt. Those priorities are huge though: perform some wizardry in the salary cap, infuse talent into the defense, and get better coaching of the OL. As soon as the media hype settles, I think we'll see common sense start to prevail.
A kicker can do what Watson's doing. And he would be cut, and laughed at, but he can do it.
I don't think it's weird to want to keep things between you and your employer. And maybe he's just yet to go public. Idk.
Who said he wants to go work for KC?
Historically in any given year there are a handful at most that exceed 13.2%.
Covid wrecked the cap while QB money continued its upward trajectory .... So in the next couple years I expect there to be a higher number above the magic number.
Just about all the top QB's exceed that figure in one year or another.
Not even close to the same situation ....
Interestingly enough, I read this today
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wildroot
Veteran
They can, but there's a small matter of a recently signed contract that needs to be fulfilled first.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Big dog I’m over it now. The reports/rumors are saying the Texans will play hardball too. They’re telling suitors that they will not trade their superstar player.
When you get a moment, listen to that Deion Sanders interview with Steven A Smith concerning Watson. It start ls at the 3.59 mark.
No , you aren't looking for another QB , you just don't have your current QB hitting the threshold every year ... you push money to future years or to bonus money where you have a very low cap hit and can spend that $$$ elsewhere in that particular season.
You just have to be creative about it .... The Texans weren't very creative but Watson only agreeing to 4 years didn't help that situation.
So screw the team and screw the fans .... just give him a chance anywhere else ?
Bah humbug.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Ticket sales and merc doesn’t help with the cap hit.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Acceptable working condition does not mean championship caliber team. If it did most teams in the NFL aren’t acceptable working condition. As far as blackballing the owners can do it without it being provable that they are doing it. Look at Kapernickle.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
They ignore it because the media wants to create these superstar players because that gets ratings. Highlight reel plays are great for tv clips no matter if the team wins or not. For that reason they don’t mention that teams with those superstar player on mega deal contracts don’t do much better than teams without them.
I heard one talking head once mention about the cap hit history, it’s where I first heard it, and he got shut down so fast it was what caught my attention about it.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Because he signed a contract, a contract he now is saying he wants out of right after signing it. He may have buyers remorse but to bad he should have thought of that before he signed on the dotted line.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Screw him, I only want players to win a championship if A: Texans have already been completely eliminated or B: they are wearing Texan uniforms.
So the team will be crap, so what, our money spends as well as any other team’s. If being a championship team was the most important thing for him he could have signed a contract with KC for the league minimal to be a Mahomes back up. It would pretty much guarantee him a championship.
Out of curiosity, not just to you, but anyone who thinks Watson should not have signed that new contract. IF he did not sign that contract. How would this play out? Keep in mind the Texans can just use the franchise tag on him. What would be the outcome?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
It depends, Bell came out the loser on that deal, he lost millions sitting out and then ended up on the Jets where he was a complete non-factor. Ramsey and Adams were traded for what is considered a kings ransom for their positions. Far more than most teams would pay.
What makes the Watson case unique is that he signed the new deal so recently. This isn’t a player that has been fighting with his team for all season and it finally came to a head, this is a player that was thanking and praising the team not even 6 months ago.
Fulfilled, or traded..
It might mean minus a crip-walking rasputin that calls grown men's mothers..
And sure they can do it, but the question was about a proposed rule that would effectively do so..
Or if at worst he's actually willing to walk away from the game..
The situation has worsened and he wants out, which is his prerogative. He's bound to the contract and that leverage is up to the Texans and fair play to them for that. But he's well within his rights to not want to work for a particular employer anymore that he's at odds with, because of course. And if he's adamant enough to be done all together if they won't acquiesce then fair play to him.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
If he had not signed the contract then yes they could have in theory tagged him for 2 years but the price tag on those tags would have been so high they would have been cap killers for the Texans. In reality he would have most likely played out his 5th year option and MAYBE one year on a tag and then he is a F/A in complete control of his destiny. Teams would have been falling over themselves to sign him and he could have picked almost any team. Yes he could have gotten hurt but that’s an occupational hazard.
badboy
Hall of Fame
you do not think players forcing their way from one team to another had anything to do with David Mulugheta thinking he could do the same? I am not saying it was the only reason.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I’m not sure I buy the whole calling mothers thing but even if so then so what, I know if my employer called my mother about my behavior she would unload both barrels on them and they would never call again.
I agree with you completely if he feels strongly enough about it to walk away or take the money hit of sitting out then more power to him. It’s these high school drama games with the cryptic tweets that I’m sick of.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I did not say Bell was successful in his time with new team(s) but he was successful at moving on. Also what Ramsey and Adams were traded for has nothing to do with what I said. They forced their way off team. Yes Watson's case is different except he wants off his current team.
FireBOB
Waterboy
For this stat to have any relevance, I assume you think the 13.2% is important because it leaves at least 86.8% of the cap available for other players, which is a magic threshold you need to have an adequately strong and balanced team?
Surely the argument needs to be restated as a minimum percentage of the cap you need to spend on the non-QB portion of your roster?
The reason this is an important distinction is because there are teams that have won a SB without spending 100% of the cap. If their combined unused cap and QB percentage exceed 13.2% then they cannot hit the magic number of 86.8% spent on non-QB players and therefore the original premise is invalid, right?
Totally fair if you'd think 'so what'. I'd want no part of someone thinking it's even remotely their place to do so. But that's jmo.
The couple of tweets haven't really registered much with me. The fact that he really asked for a trade actually matters and we'll find out more once it's resolved one way or another.
In the meantime I've actually somewhat enjoyed watching the collective fan tantrum..
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texans are one of three teams who have called PHI about Wentz, who has a home in Houston. Wentz is a big Christian, but doesn’t take coaching well.
If CHI gets Wentz then Foles goes to DEN.
If CHI gets Wentz then Foles goes to DEN.
This really depends upon what the beef really is IMO ....
If its being stuck with a poor team for a year or two .... that's a load of BS.
There's no clause in the contract that says the team has to be a winner.
If its the social justice angel .... I don't buy that as legit either , not when the Texans had a minority GM for over a decade , not when they had a minority DC for years and then made that guy interim HC , not when they hired a minority HC ....
If its about Easterby .... fire him , even if it isn't about Easterby .... fire him.
If its about you didn't tell me who the GM was .... that's above your pay grade.
If its the GM isn't a minority .....that's no better , in fact its downright discriminatory and makes him no better than those he's chastising for being discriminatory. How bout we judge a man by his merits ?
Texian
Hall of Fame
Who do you think you are? MLK?
If DW4 is ticked because the GM is not a minority, well that makes him a bigot and a racist.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
God I hope we don’t get Wentz, if we have to take a failed QB can we at least get Trubisky because at least then we wouldn’t have to listen to a A hole diva that just lost talk about how great he is.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I guess it depends on how you define forced their way off. To me something like Clowney is closer because he picked where he wanted to go and the Texans not only got peanuts for him but had to pay him to play there. Bell may have been successful in moving on but it’s kind of like someone hurting their hand punching you in the face, yeah you may call it a victory but you’re the only one that sees it that way. The other examples you gave are, IMO, an example of everyone has a price.
Any team could have Mahomes if they went to KC and said “You can have all our 1st through 4th rounds picks for as many years as the league allows and any of the players on our roster you want plus we’ll take on those players and Mahomes entire contract under our cap.”
Clearly no team would ever do this but it could, in theory at least, be done. Adams and Ramsey wanting off may have triggered their teams to start looking for a trade partner but the price was what caused them to pull the trigger.
For an example of what I’m talking about look at Trent Williams, he said to Washington that they were going to trade him and Washington said no we aren’t until we’re ready to. Sure enough they didn’t trade him until they decided it was time.
I wonder how far back Watson wanted out. I noted a lack of decisiveness & determination to pick up 1st downs with his legs, or keep the ball when the read dictated he keep the ball going back to 2019.
If was already planning his exit then, it makes sense.
If was already planning his exit then, it makes sense.
Culley's the sacrificial lamb to the rebuild. I highly doubt he will be on Kirby in 2024.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
The quote of why he took the job is the most telling. He knows it too.
I think this might be your sense of humor at work again, but if not.........
When it comes to Easterby, you are constantly posting that it's all speculation. You will not consider the SI articles or even what Andre Johnson tweeted about Easterby. Yet, you come up with this speculation? I know you like playing devil's advocate, but it appears you are starting to digest the speculative, agenda driven droppings that are being posted on this forum about Watson's character.
I dont believe this happened way back then.
The trouble started when he broke up with his old GF and started chasing hoes. His mom said as much.
Not the 1st man to be lead around by his pecker, wont be the last.
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I do "consider" the SI article & even what Andre Johnson tweeted about Easterby. I think it is very likely that what they perceive as Easterby is actually coming from above. I believe Watson acknowledged this when he reportedly said, Cal can't fix it unless he fires himself.
I don't know if it's an attack on Watson's character, but I've been questioning that aspect of Watson's game way before "Easterby" was an issue.
I heard that's exactly what happened
banned1976
sleeper mode