There is zero reason to believe that the longer you hold on the less you will get... even if he sits out a year, his value doesn't drop one bit. Still under contract... still young, still elite.... and he may even open up to more teams in his "trade" list.
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Should we trade Watson?
- Thread starter theCATALYST
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There is zero reason to believe that the longer you hold on the less you will get... even if he sits out a year, his value doesn't drop one bit. Still under contract... still young, still elite.... and he may even open up to more teams in his "trade" list.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Oh but there are many....If you hold on past the draft then you've screwed the pooch....the longer you hold potential traders will find other avenues. The longer you hold it doesn't fix your cap problem and you still have no draft capital.
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You’re crazy.
Except it's the offseason. I don't think he's getting paid anything right now. All we have is speculation and innuendo
.... and new trade partners can arise... and Watson can accept more teams... so nope... there wasn't going to be draft capital this season... draft capital can be added to next seasons full draft... and the year after... but no... it doesn't weaken his value.... you and no one else can predict who or what are going to solve their issues now or next season... thinking you can is silly.
... right..ha. His value will not be down.. period... it might mean different teams will be looking for him to be their QB but his value could even go up depending on possible trade partners come up next season. It doesn't mean you don't trade before this draft if a great deal comes up, but only the stupid would take something thinking they have to.... that would be crazy...
Now do we trust this Texans admin to make the right choice... no reason to expect that as of now.
The Jets can give us two 1s & two 2s this year & next.
Can’t do it after the draft.
& that’s only if DW wants to go to NYJets.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bump where he wants to go. The Texans better not let him dictate where he wants to go.
Nailed it. I don't think Watson is thinking clearly. If he wanted out, signing an extension to 2025 was the dumbest way to do it.
The Texans are rebuilding, so they know they have at least a couple of sucky seasons ahead. Watson is just an asset at this point, and like any asset, the franchise has the power to choose what will happen next, not the player.
I really, really hope Nick Caserio is thinking like you right now. Well said, man.
banned1976
sleeper mode
If he does get traded I hope he goes to Denver, the more I think about it. Mahomes and Watson twice a year for 10+ years. I'd probably just watch those two games and maybe a Super Bowl once in awhile.
banned1976
sleeper mode
The NFL should force the McNair's to trade Watson for a 3rd round pick or they have to surrender the team over to Texansballer74 so he can then in turn trade Watson to the Montreal Alouettes for a 6 pack of Moosehead Lager, eh.
John McClain said Caserio was not on the Korn Ferry list because he was specifically excluded since he was already high on the Texans wish-list since 2018.
Why pay a firm so much money to tell you what you already know? They were looking for backup plans in case they were unable to hire Caserio.
It's not my money, so why should I care how much they spend.
this trade is never happening. no other team can pay this much so why would the jets do it? the jets would basically be bidding against themselves since no team can match this. it's silly to think this is what the texans have any chance in hell at getting for watson
First, I’m the one saying Watson doesn’t want to go to the Jets
Second, I’m just saying this is why the Texans should feel a sense of urgency
Third, y’all paid butt fumbler a ton of cash to butt fumble. Ain’t no telling what the Jets will/will not do
Fourth, the Texans definitely won’t get it if they don’t ask.
badboy
Hall of Fame
There are four to five round ones and three to four round two and two to three veteran players reasons to trade Watson as soon as possible. Why wait until after 2021 to set up your 2022 draft? We know now that the Jets, and Dolphins all presently have two round one now and two round ones in 2022. We have no idea who will have what a year from now. We also know there is talk about team such as Washington and the Las Vegas Raiders Gathering draft picks to get into the spin the bottle games for our number four.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Miami can come really close and then the Jets get to play Watson in their division. That’s why the Jets would do it.
badboy
Hall of Fame
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Jets 1.2 Dolphins 1.3
Dolphins 1.18 Jets 1.23
Jets 2.34. Dolphins 2.35 and 2.50
Jets Q. Williams DT should become Superstar
Dolphins X Howard CB is a superstar.
banned1976
sleeper mode
How much (draft value) is it worth to keep Watson out of the AFC if the Texans are to trade him?
we should be calling Watson right now and tell him to either wave his no trade clause or expand it or rot his career away at home. Then we should call the Jets and tell them to make their best offer right now or this is going auction style. If they really want him it better be a doozy.
I do believe that we can’t trade Watson until after June first without having a ton of dead money but I’m no cap guru like some here. Can anyone verify this?
I do believe that we can’t trade Watson until after June first without having a ton of dead money but I’m no cap guru like some here. Can anyone verify this?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Mussop does not appear to be questioning Watsons value. You on the other hand seem to be misunderstanding for lack of a better word what others will be able to pay for him. We know there are three teams today that have two round ones and players that would fit our dire need positions. Yes other teams in the future could make unexpected trades like the teams did for Ramsey and Jamal Adams but those trades were almost as rare as possible trade for Deshaun are now.
most of us here agree with you that a great trade should be made if offer is made. None of us know how Caserio will do with any picks that we gain; However I am certain all of us thinks he will do better than his predecessor.
Not gonna' lie, I want a GM that is not scared of maximizing value regardless of trade partner. They shouldn't even be scared to trade him within the AFC South if Caserio is confident in his abilities to field a good team.
Besides, the AFC is Pat Mahomes' conference for the next decade+, so Deshaun should want to be in the NFC just for that fact alone.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
If he's truly butt hurt and doesn't want to be here, and this gets to the point he's really going to sit out, then I don't trade him. At least not this year, although I do have one exception, and that's being the Texans getting a ridiculous offer. Otherwise this sets a bad precedence if players can just move around at will while under contract. I mean, when does Tunsil start demanding a trade?
whodknee
Working Class Hero
The Agent is trying to get new clients (obviously). He has convinced DW4 that he can do wonders for him and get him into a better situation. The NFL does not like to be told what to do. As of Feb 1st I was told there was no trade for DW4..Things may have changed since then. Right now mums the word...
Norg
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if a team thinks there a Deshon watson away from a dynasty for 10+ years if a team and ownership values him that much then nothing is off the table anyteam can do it ATL Carolina pittsburg becasue they can just shed there future ones over the next 5 year
Texansballer74
The Marine
Theismann EXCLUSIVE: WFT Legend Rips Trade-Minded Deshaun
Joe Theismann visits with us to lower the boom on Deshaun Watson and his trade demands
www.si.com
Texansballer74
The Marine
Washington Football Team legend Joe Theismann says he does not believe WFT should "go for broke'' in a trade for Deshaun Watson, noting that he's troubled by the way the unhappy QB is trying to escape the Houston Texans.
"No, no, I would not (go for broke)," Theismann said Monday when he joined me on my afternoon talk show on The Team 980, Radio.com and TheTeam980.com. "This is what bothers me about Deshaun's situation ... Four months into a new (contract) and now you're not happy?"
Why sign the deal?
"No, no, I would not (go for broke)," Theismann said Monday when he joined me on my afternoon talk show on The Team 980, Radio.com and TheTeam980.com. "This is what bothers me about Deshaun's situation ... Four months into a new (contract) and now you're not happy?"
Why sign the deal?
Texansballer74
The Marine
"What are you going to offer? How many general managers have you interviewed? How many head coaches have you interviewed," Theismann said, questioning Watson's qualifications for having a voice in franchise decision-making.
"The Watson (situation), I scratch my head over,'' Theismann told me, clearly not a fan of disruptive NFL movement. "This isn't the NBA.''
Both statements are from the link posted above
"The Watson (situation), I scratch my head over,'' Theismann told me, clearly not a fan of disruptive NFL movement. "This isn't the NBA.''
Both statements are from the link posted above
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Texansballer74
The Marine
He’s not answering the phone calls from the Texans brass.
I didn't think about that. I'd hate to give up the equivalent of 4 first round pick then have "the player" demand a trade after a 4-12 season.
Especially if I'm the Jets or Dolphins where 4-10 seasons are common.
Well, this is because he doesn't like the influence the EVP of football operations has on team decisions... what if he doesn't like the way my EVP of football operations parks his car?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Now we’re thinking. And guess what these big time players in the game will wonder or ask those same questions.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
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YES!!! This is classic!!
Along with butthurt they also have been working on the "temper tantrum" rule.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Makes you wonder if they asked themselves these questions before making a point to concern his involvement from the get-go..
well first there's a big difference between trading 4 1sts and 4 seconds in the nest 2 years and 5 firsts spread out over the nest 5 years. second, you can't trade picks that far out so it's a moot point
a couple of things:
you seem to be saying the jets would need to give the texans 8 draft picks 4 1sts and 4 2nds. no other team can do this, so why would the jets bid against themselves. if i have $1000 and everyone else trying to buy the same thing only has $500 why would i pay the $1000 when i could pay $510 and still beat everyone else. you have to remember here that the #2 pick is the best pick the texans can get in any deal, and is very important (yes even over the #3 pick). they either are guaranteed the qb they want to draft or they are guaranteed the most capital in a trade down with a team that covets one particular qb and is willing to pay to guarantee they get him
mark sanchez was 9 years ago, under that moron mike tannenbaum, where they extended him as a sorry because they publicly went after manning and lost
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I see your logic, however I don't think it matters what the other teams have. It is like me having a relic that no one wants but you, if you really want it you will pay whatever it takes to get it. This isn't an auction.....
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
And the Texans may value current players in a trade more then picks 3 drafts away. The Jets don't have the market cornered and aren't dictating the price.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
This is what happens when you have the wrong people communicating. The intentions had merit but the expectations were not clear and it seems as though differing interpretations were the result.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I think the involvement thing is overblown. Nothing I have read said that Cal told Watson he would get to pick the next GM or even really have a say in it. He asked for his input which can be anything from GM hire to what kind of sushi is the best. It seems to me from the little we know Watson, before or after he talked to others, is the one that thought input would mean he would be neck deep in the process and have a large say in it. Cal asked for input from a lot of people, that whole "search committee" thing, and you don't see them crying about how they were ignored or "some things never change". Besides, as @Texansballer74 said, if he really wanted to be on the front lines of it why grab his girlfriend and disappear down to Cabo.
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maverick512000
Hall of Fame
In other words only way Texans lose is if they blink.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
TMZ reports that Kareem Jackson has spoken to Watson. And he has indicated interest.
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Kareem Jackson, who played with Watson in Houston before joining the Broncos, told TMZ Sports that the star quarterback has "interest" in playing for the Broncos.
"I had a couple of conversations with him," Jackson said. "Just with him saying that Denver is a place that's he's interested in landing."
www.google.com
Taken from article:
Kareem Jackson, who played with Watson in Houston before joining the Broncos, told TMZ Sports that the star quarterback has "interest" in playing for the Broncos.
"I had a couple of conversations with him," Jackson said. "Just with him saying that Denver is a place that's he's interested in landing."
Deshaun Watson, Broncos trade rumors heat up amid quarterback's reported discontent with Texans
Deshaun Watson trade rumors ratcheted up again this week, and this time he was linked to the Denver Broncos.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Some team, some GM is going to go bat snitz crazy and turn in to Mike Ditka and trade their entire draft and then some for DW4.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I would say Jets and Dolphins (mainly Dolphins) might be willing. Miami has something good players and they have said they felt "close to contending" last off-season.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
TMZ reports that Kareem Jackson has spoken to Watson. And he has indicated interest.
Taken from article:
Kareem Jackson, who played with Watson in Houston before joining the Broncos, told TMZ Sports that the star quarterback has "interest" in playing for the Broncos.
"I had a couple of conversations with him," Jackson said. "Just with him saying that Denver is a place that's he's interested in landing."
Deshaun Watson, Broncos trade rumors heat up amid quarterback's reported discontent with Texans
Deshaun Watson trade rumors ratcheted up again this week, and this time he was linked to the Denver Broncos.
Assuming he has I'd say that was more just Watson being polite. Kind of like when someone says "We should get lunch sometime" and you agree but have no intention of actually doing it. There is nothing about Denver that should appeal to Watson and nothing draft or player wise that would appeal to the Texans.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Thats what I said before. The Texans own him. Barring injury a QB has about 10yrs maybe 15 if lucky. He has used 4, so by 2028 that's 12yrs roughly. He would have to play
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
10 to 15 years if they play like a Brady, Manning or Brees in that they rarely run and take very few hits. QB that plays like Watson, Mahomes or Wilson tend to have shorter careers unless they have a wall for an Oline.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
It's TMZ so always take with a grain of salt. But if he really wants our that bad Jackson could have painted a very pretty picture of what Denver can give him. As your point out that's IF we assume that he talked to him
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Gibson lays out the culture of the Texans from playing for the team to watching from a far.
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Deshaun Watson trade: Bears' Tashaun Gipson describes 'different' Texans culture
Bears safety Tashaun Gipson played for the Houston Texans in 2019 and still describes Watson as a close friend.