Lol you’re delusional. When is the last time your team had a QB even remotely capable of leading the league in passing yards? When’s the last time you had a decent QB? Young quarterbacks like the Sean Watson don’t come around very often you’d be very very lucky to gett him. It’s going to cost way more that what Stafford pulled. That’s just common sense.
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Should we trade Watson?
- Thread starter theCATALYST
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
So your ready to throw in the towel?
CstatTexan
Waterboy
No I just want the Texans organization to seem organized. I’ve made it clear I want to give Nick time to earn his stripes.
Right now the Lions are teaching a clinic on how to move on from your franchise QB, Nick should be taking notes.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Stafford had a bonus clause paying a f'ton of money 5 days into the new nfl year. Watson doesn't have that and nick should play the market.
wildroot
Veteran
So technically if he failed to report, we could nix the new deal? Not that we'd want to, but we could?
CstatTexan
Waterboy
The Lions don’t have the Texans PR nightmare and they still acted fast and got a solid haul for Matt. It’s not in the Texans best interest to drag this out. If Deshaun is set on being traded then move him. The market is there and much larger than Stafford’s. Make a decision and do it quick. Next week will be a month on the job for Nick and the situation with Watson is seemingly getting worse.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
You want the new gm to take action in less then a week because the "dynasty" Detroit lions did? Are you reading the words you write?
The timeline is pre-draft- not the Lions schedule.
CstatTexan
Waterboy
I already told you I want the Texans to seem organized. Out of the many ways you could describe them right now, organized is not one of them. I don’t want the Texans to be the Lions, but it is not good that the Lions seem to have a better plan currently. I want the Texans to act quick and decisive.
I’m trying to make my stance clear for you.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I dont want them doing anything impulsive. I want them to get the best deal possible.
wildroot
Veteran
You can't dog the compensation they got for a 32 yr old QB. 2 ones, a three and Geoff....Wow! They jumped on the trade while the fire was hot.
That has to reflect on what we should be able to get for Watson.
Mariotexan
Noob
I’m confused about when trading can begin. I thought it was March 17th, then the Goff trade happened...so are we able to trade Watson now or do we have to wait till the 17th?
I don't believe it would nix the deal but you could potentially remove the guarantee's on any $$$ for "conduct detrimental to the team" but he'd still be under contract and still be able to earn those dollars .... without guarantee.
That's a HUGE risk for Watson , particularly should he have a significant injury .... That insurance policy is canceled.
CstatTexan
Waterboy
Watson wants a trade and the Texans can’t seem to convince him otherwise. I personally don’t want them to trade Watson. He’s my QB. But I see a broken relationship right now. Just like any other relationship, when one party tries to force the other party to stay, things do not go well. And I say that knowing Watson is a stand up professional, this season proved it. But if he wants out, he wants out.
Now they still have time to impress Watson but again they need to act quick and aggressive. They’re clearly not convincing him right now.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Certainly you are closer to the scene than am I yet there are more than a couple references saying Q Williams is a goner if Caserio will accept 1.2 + 1.23 plus round one 2022 and Sam Darnold. If you remain around here for a minute you might discover that fans often don't get what they want. Watson is better than any QB in 2021 draft. BTW welcome to the board.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Trades do not become official until the start the new league year, March 17.
He's under contract , he has no leverage .... Just because he wants doesn't mean he gets it.
He's got everything to lose here .... he just doesn't realize it and his agent is giving him poor advice.
Trying to equate this to an intimate relationship is just silly .... this guy has not been harmed by the team in any way shape or form.
As for this "trust or wasted careers aspect" .... trust them to do what ? Only thing he needs to trust is that he can cash his check. They owe him nothing else. I'm absolutely certain there's no clause in his contract that say's they have to put a superbowl contender around him or he can whine his way out.
This is all about not getting a minority GM .... thing is , the Texans are one of the few NFL teams that have had a minority GM and have been well ahead of the curve in minority hiring.
He may well find out that the grass isn't greener elsewhere in the good ole boy network.
badboy
Hall of Fame
And Jets will have cap to sign free agents attracted by Watson. I wonder if JJ Watt would spend his next 3-4 seasons with Watson on an extended contract friendly to Jets? JJ would partially mollify fans losing Q.
badboy
Hall of Fame
no disrespect to you but have you researched any comments concerning Watson being traded to any team? most say whatever the Texans get will not equate his value. If you don't know what you have in Darnold PFF suggests 58.4. I agree 1.2 is an incredibly valuable pick and almost all I've seen not only say it is a must but include with another round one plus a second plus your QB AND DT Quinnen Williams a possible future HOF.
A QB like Deshaun is incredibly way more valuable.
CstatTexan
Waterboy
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Actually he has quite a bit of leverage. People on this forum have this weird attitude where they acknowledge Watson is the face of the franchise but he should also “know his place”. You can’t have it both ways.
He’s either the most important asset or he’s not. He’s got nothing to lose, he’s the talent. And in the court of public opinion and in the media Watson is lapping circles around the Texans.
Now of course there’s intimate relationships. Where do you think the term player’s coach comes from? People make careers on how they interact with their players. These people love the sport, those are intimate relationships. Have you never played sports?
Now what’s truly silly is implying Watson is doing all this because he didn’t get a black GM as if this organization doesn’t have glaring problems. Buttchin royally screwed up the Texans in Watson’s prime and he has JJ and AJ in his ear about wasted careers.
Actually he has quite a bit of leverage. People on this forum have this weird attitude where they acknowledge Watson is the face of the franchise but he should also “know his place”. You can’t have it both ways.
He’s either the most important asset or he’s not. He’s got nothing to lose, he’s the talent. And in the court of public opinion and in the media Watson is lapping circles around the Texans.
Now of course there’s intimate relationships. Where do you think the term player’s coach comes from? People make careers on how they interact with their players. These people love the sport, those are intimate relationships. Have you never played sports?
Now what’s truly silly is implying Watson is doing all this because he didn’t get a black GM as if this organization doesn’t have glaring problems. Buttchin royally screwed up the Texans in Watson’s prime and he has JJ and AJ in his ear about wasted careers.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Allowing the price for Watson to only increase after the Stafford trade was brilliant. All three major sports radio talk shows today were talking about the Stafford trade setting new market for Watson. Caserio so far is impressing me with the football player stuff.
CstatTexan
Waterboy
I highly doubt Caserio was waiting on the Stafford trade to set a market but it definitely works out in the Texans favor.
badboy
Hall of Fame
who was the defensive DE I think whom we traded for then cancelled last year. On tip of my tongue.
badboy
Hall of Fame
No way you have a clue on that. You are just grumbling due to all that has happened. I get that but let's be fair. Even if Caserio got offered the deal he wanted before Culley was signed, the Texans would probably be better served to at least look like they tried to keep DW.
banned1976
sleeper mode
If Watson is as valuable as you seem to imply in your post above, why are you so hot to trot for the Texans to trade him?
Jets fan is right. The Jets are much better off standing pat than trading everything that you're suggesting. Watson with very little around him would equal exactly what Jets fan suggested - 4 to 6 wins a season. We just witnessed that first hand. Didn't we?
The Texans and Deshaun deserve each other. And I think they're stuck with each other for at least a few more years.
badboy
Hall of Fame
hope this helps; his new money does not begin until 2022 as he is technically in his 5th year of rookie deal. The $27 million signing bonus can be recovered and as most are paid in stages both team and player agree to, much may not have been received yet by DW.
spotrac and overthecap. The $21.6 million we hear of as "dead money" is what is left of his signing bonus and probably not paid to him yet.
Side note, his 2022 base salary is $35 million GTD and on 5th day of NFL year 2022 his a $17 million roster bonus+ his 2023 base salary of $20 m become GTD.
Very, very few players will ever have the stroke to do that, Watson is the exception, not the rule.
You want to bet? Watson will be gone, probably before the draft. I am thinking 4 number 1s plus other draft picks or players.
badboy
Hall of Fame
because he is G O N E. You have seen my posts that we went 4-12 with DW and have a third round to hit on one starter. Whoopie. A trade offers H O P E that we can do better in 2021 with 4 to eight starters.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I think he was aware of who they were going to hire. He would have to be stupid to not have some idea. Bob McNair was interested in him when he hired OB. We got tampering charges last year going after him. For Watson to say that he was unaware is just acting dumb. I said that I was pretty sure Nick was interested and we were going to go after him. I didn't say 100% hire him, but I knew that he was a top target. Nobody on this board can say that they didn't know he was a target if they are being honest.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
BO’b is gone. Fired. Out of here.
Now they’re trying to fix it. Watson is throwing another log on the fire on top of what BO’b did.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Do you? If so, why?
I am not laughing, I think that is totally reasonable compensation for an elite young quarterback!
If we're assuming he wants to get paid to play football then what's his actual leverage?
Well stafford was 2 future fi
I think a lot of you are going to disappointed in what the texans end up getting for watson
Unless neither are on Watson’s approval list.
badboy
Hall of Fame
they both ate tons of dead money but IIRC Detroit can dump Goff after this season. I would not take Goff.
I’d turn him into the next Tannehill
michaelm
vox nihili
Well the Lions GM Holmes was with the Rams last year. I'm sure he had some inside information, plus an established relationship with the Rams as a jump off point
There's enough blame to go around. Cal should've never put DW4 on the search committee and the odds of all of this happening. Cal has no business being in the position he's in and DW4's being a straight up diva. I'm hoping Caserio can do a decent job in the draft with the extra picks. He's certainly qualified to do the job.
However, just like the the Stros and Click, until Caserio proves he can do the job the jury is still out.
Texian
Hall of Fame
DW4 is a better QB and Stafford may've 5 years left, Watson has 13 years left. That's twice the value.
badboy
Hall of Fame
yes that is why we have been talking about it for days.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I don't have a doubt about Nick...if Cal and Easterby let him do his job. But... that's asking for a lot
badboy
Hall of Fame
not with his contract you won't.
