Should we trade Watson?

[TheMatrix31]

I'll stop watching for good if these guys start mainstreaming this NBA-style hostage-taking bullshit.

Bad enough that the NFC Championship game was decided on a player flopping like a little *****.

 

[wasntme]

Yes, he deserves better than to be a part of this clusterf*** of an organization!

 

[steelbtexan]

Unfortunately if they do trade Watson, I don’t think it’ll happen for a few weeks. I’d love for them to be able to repair the relationship, but I fear that Cal has done irreparable damage.
Watson’s value will get bigger the closer we get to the draft, so it’s just a wait and see.
I think JJ will be the first traded.

Watt may be released.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'll stop watching for good if these guys start mainstreaming this NBA-style hostage-taking bullshit.

Bad enough that the NFC Championship game was decided on a player flopping like a little *****.

Are you talking about King holding Johnson keeping Johnson from catching a perfectly thrown ball?

I thought you only hated the Pats.

I didn't realize you hated excellence.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think it's insane to think that religion and maybe politics are playing a major role in this current sh!t show.

Time to trade his azz

Good riddance

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think it's insane to think that religion and maybe politics are playing a major role in this current sh!t show.

Time to trade his azz

He knew this when he signed that 160 mil contract.

Good riddance

 

[steelbtexan]

Guys, understand he has veto power, he is not going anywhere he doesn’t want to go.

Someone said we can ban him from team facilities & not pay him... if that's true, I can see a path forward.

But if he can do the bare minimum & be a cancer, the Texans are screwed.

Remember when Hopkins was going to hold out? Somebody must have told him there's a better way. He ended his hold out after one day & followed with an All-Pro season.

If someone can convince Watson to do the same, the future may not be so bleak. But I don't know how the Texans would handle him next offseason.

Unless it gives his chosen team time to raise the assets the Texans are looking for.

Then he can sit his azz in Houston and be a cancer until they get what they perceive as fair value.

Cancer, as opposed to not being a cancer on a 4 win team. LMAO

 

[whiteboy]

People saying not to trade Watson are fools.

He is already gone.

Why would you want to keep someone who doesn't want to be here?

Based on the Stafford/Goff deal, we should now easily be able to get three 1st rounders, multiple lower rounders, and a good player.

Or four 1st rounders, a couple other lower rounds, and a good player.

Trade him, and do it fast so we can rebuild and be in contention again in two or three years.

 

[jets0517]

Hello, jets fan here. Wanted to come over and see what you guys were talking about as far as the potential trade of watson goes. there have been wild speculations all over the place, and i fogured the same would be true here and it didn't disappoint. that said, i picked 2 posts to comment on:

I have heard this too. The Jets are toying with giving us Sam Darnold as well. I hear 1.2 and 1.23, a future 1st, Darnold and maybe a 2nd or 3rd this year or next. If the report is fact. That is a good deal for us. Giving us good draft capital, and I would trade 1.2 to the highest bidder. Get 3 1sts and a few 2nd and thirds this year. Fill in the holes and do NOT draft a QB. Try Darnold for 2021-2022, and then if we need to, draft a QB in 2022-2023 draft. In the meantime you have something like the following this year.

1.10
1.23
1.29
2.5
2.19
3.6

So, in 2 days we have enough picks (before our own) to fill multiple needs that we have no way to right now. And if Darnold is good...we could contend for an AFC Central title this year. I like the idea...

this was one of the more reasonable ones, even though its still not realistic imo. the most i see happening is:

3 firsts plus darnold. the 1sts might be spread out so that you get the 2nd pick this year, our first next year and in 2023. or possibly our 2 firsts this year plus the seattle pick next year, or the 2nd pick this year plus our 2 picks next year. darnold included with any of those packages is the realistic limit. if the trade happens with the dolphins expects something similar but with tua instead. obviously the 2nd pick is better for you than the 3rd pick because you will likely lose out on whichever qb they like best since the jets will likely either take a qb or trade down.

If this is what the starting point is. What is going to land a team Watson

Redirect Notice

i quoted this one as an example of delusional thinking. no way you get all those picks and quinnen williams. frankly, no way you get quinnen williams at all, imo. he is worth a top 5 1st rounder at the least



anyway, i joined up to have some friendly discussion about the topic......

 

[banned1976]

This makes the most sense to me; and if true, the Texans pretty much are in a position of starting completely over with all new players because it's not just about Watson. Most (all?) the players distrust this organization. It's a team in disarray, and perhaps the reason some of the players mailed it in for the 2020 season.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1356125022839042050

It's one thing to exclude your star quarterback from the decision-making process of hiring a new GM. It's another thing when you get him involved early, disregard his input and he finds out via social media you went in a completely different direction.

 

[Maverick]

Listening to Sean Salsbury this morning, he made a great point. If we do indeed trade Watson, the team we trade with is gonna feel it, as in, it's gonna hurt.

He's about to interview Rick Smith. Should be interesting.

 

[JB]

Hello, jets fan here. Wanted to come over and see what you guys were talking about as far as the potential trade of watson goes. there have been wild speculations all over the place, and i fogured the same would be true here and it didn't disappoint. that said, i picked 2 posts to comment on:



this was one of the more reasonable ones, even though its still not realistic imo. the most i see happening is:

3 firsts plus darnold. the 1sts might be spread out so that you get the 2nd pick this year, our first next year and in 2023. or possibly our 2 firsts this year plus the seattle pick next year, or the 2nd pick this year plus our 2 picks next year. darnold included with any of those packages is the realistic limit. if the trade happens with the dolphins expects something similar but with tua instead. obviously the 2nd pick is better for you than the 3rd pick because you will likely lose out on whichever qb they like best since the jets will likely either take a qb or trade down.




i quoted this one as an example of delusional thinking. no way you get all those picks and quinnen williams. frankly, no way you get quinnen williams at all, imo. he is worth a top 5 1st rounder at the least



anyway, i joined up to have some friendly discussion about the topic......

I think you quoted the wrong post for your second quote

 

[SnakeEyes]

I really hope the Texans doesn't cave to his outlandish demands. And if they do I surely hope Roger steps in and say heck no, that's not how we do business. Corrosion I told you last year these players will start trying to fo things like the NBA. Didn't think Watson would be the one pulling this crap. Like you said if he's successful, more players will do this for sure.

No question, if Watson gets traded, you will see players picking GMs and HCs. And then the CBA will get involved with it. Making it possible to be traded in the event of not getting your way.

This makes the most sense to me; and if true, the Texans pretty much are in a position of starting completely over with all new players because it's not just about Watson. Most (all?) the players distrust this organization. It's a team in disarray, and perhaps the reason some of the players mailed it in for the 2020 season.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1356125022839042050

It's one thing to exclude your star quarterback from the decision-making process of hiring a new GM. It's another thing when you get him involved early, disregard his input and he finds out via social media you went in a completely different direction.

From all reports, it has not been said he didn't know who our target was. It has only been said that he was supposed to know if we hired someone before seeing it online. Meaning he very well probably knew Nick was a big target, perhaps even main target. However, he left for vacation and Cal hired him with no call or text to Watson. Making him feel out of the loop.

 

[DBCooper]

Listening to Sean Salsbury this morning, he made a great point. If we do indeed trade Watson, the team we trade with is gonna feel it, as in, it's gonna hurt.

He's about to interview Rick Smith. Should be interesting.

You think O’Brien has had enough time to take over Bama yet?

 

[jets0517]

I think you quoted the wrong post for your second quote

yeah i fixed it, thnx. basically it was referencing a report from john mcclain saying the price was going to be our 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 2 defensive starters including quinnen williams. no way that happens

 

[banned1976]

No question, if Watson gets traded, you will see players picking GMs and HCs. And then the CBA will get involved with it. Making it possible to be traded in the event of not getting your way.


From all reports, it has not been said he didn't know who our target was. It has only been said that he was supposed to know if we hired someone before seeing it online. Meaning he very well probably knew Nick was a big target, perhaps even main target. However, he left for vacation and Cal hired him with no call or text to Watson. Making him feel out of the loop.

I'm just surprised they went the Korn Ferry route, interviewing people like Khan and Louis Riddick when in hindsight it looks like they had no intention on hiring anyone but Caserio. After all of that, why would Watson feel like Caserio was a target? Oh yeah, Jack Easterby. A guy no more qualified to make that decision than Watson.

They would have been much better off had they just told Watson they intended on hiring Caserio. Watson could have aired his grievances then and none of this would be happening now.

The only control we as fans have over the situation is how we view these things. My own view is, neither party looks particularly good right now. I do not think this is going to be worked out soon. McNair's look like complete buffoons and Watson looks kind of childish.

 

[badboy]

I will soon be presenting my offseason mock and trade(s) that some may be interesting. There are many ways for them to go. Everyone assumes if DW leaves no matter the return, we will be lost for 3 or more seasons; not necessarily true.

This has now been posted in college draft forum. I'd like to see your feedback.

 

[Texian]

I'm just surprised they went the Korn Ferry route, interviewing people like Khan and Louis Riddick when in hindsight it looks like they had no intention on hiring anyone but Caserio.

This is a character flaw, Texans are irresponsible, they show no prudence when it comes to finances. Cal being a spoiled Trust Fund Baby is anything but wise or frugal when it comes to spending money. He does it on a whim, live for today attitude. Never does he plan for tomorrow. The Texans will always be a lesser team because of it.

 

[badboy]

Didn't say that .... Just that this kinda precedent isn't good for the league.

We aren't talking about a guy with a year left on a long term deal , we're talking about a guy who won't start the deal he signed until After next season.

Worst part is how this affects the cap , about 1/6th of Watsons new money was up front in the form of a signing bonus and all of that will immediately impact the Texans cap should he be traded AND the receiving team is getting their star QB for a bargain price with that $5.5m per year reduction in his cap hit .... That's a significant advantage over the life of that contract.


And lets top it off with the fact that he's doing all this because he didn't get the unprecedented power he wanted within the franchise.

I Definitely agree Yet the fact That the receiving team will get such a great break on a franchise quarterbacks cap Is worth More than just chicken fried steak with cream gravy . That of course Should be figured into the trade And getting Veteran players like Xavier and Howard from the Dolphins or Two players from the Jets such as q and becton.

 

[badboy]

The more I think about it the more I don’t want draft picks unless it’s from the jets. I mean yeah I would want one high one this year but instead of future first round picks we should be asking for young proven studs on rookie contracts. the dolphins or the 49ers with Watson would be pretty dam good next year so those first next year most likely will be late first. Why not eliminate the gamble you take when you draft a player.



49ers get Watson, Cobb, JJ Watt and Mercilous.



Texans get

Their first and third round pick This year, Nick Bosa, George Kittle and next years first and third.





Or trade with the Jets.



NY Jets get Tunsil and Watson, Cobb and Martin and Mercilous.



We get Mekhi Becton, Quinnen Williams all their picks in the top 100.

2 -23-34-66-87



Just example. Not saying these exact trades but you get the idea. Dump off sone bad contracts ( corrosion ) eliminate taking risk by getting young highly rated and talented players on cheap contracts. If Watsons gone we should get at least two foundational players out of the deal.

Yes that's what I've said; even Jets sites like ganggreen are mentioning Q in trade scenarios plus 1.2 + 1.23 and second round As a starting point. The article I read stated that would not be enough and they would definitely be willing to increase the offer . Comments out of Florida often mention X Howard as part of a trade to include their two 1st and two seconds This year and a first-round 2022. All of those comments state that might not be enough. Agree or disagree with John McClain, I think his proposal of two first + 2 seconds + 2 young vet starters Aligns with my Trade value for Deshaun Watson . Only the Jets and Miami can come close to this offer. However if we land 1.2 or 1.3 I think there are other teams that would give us A U-Haul full of Pics In a separate trade Such as the New York Giants .

 

[whiteboy]

Yes that's what I've said; even Jets sites like ganggreen are mentioning Q in trade scenarios plus 1.2 + 1.23 and second round As a starting point. The article I read stated that would not be enough and they would definitely be willing to increase the offer . Comments out of Florida often mention X Howard as part of a trade to include their two 1st and two seconds This year and a first-round 2022. All of those comments state that might not be enough. Agree or disagree with John McClain, I think his proposal of two first + 2 seconds + 2 young vet starters Aligns with my Trade value for Deshaun Watson . Only the Jets and Miami can come close to this offer. However if we land 1.2 or 1.3 I think there are other teams that would give us A U-Haul full of Pics In a separate trade Such as the New York Giants .

Problem with all these scenarios is if they think they can talk Watson into staying, and dont go ahead and pull the trigger, they will never get as much for Watson as they can get RIGHT NOW. Nick saying they have no intention of trading "the player" hopefully was meant to drive the price up.

They have to trade him this year ... before the draft.

No other options.

 

[austins23]

Listening to Sean Salsbury this morning, he made a great point. If we do indeed trade Watson, the team we trade with is gonna feel it, as in, it's gonna hurt.

He's about to interview Rick Smith. Should be interesting.

I''d like to hear some of what was asked of Smith. Do you think you could post some of the Q and A's here for us?

 

[Maverick]

The just of it was basically what Jimmy Johnson said. "You go to the young man's house, and talk to him..Ask him what would it take to make this right"..He talked about how special Deshaun was, nothing to earth shattering.

I thought it was a live interview, but it was clips from a recorded interview somewhere else. My apologies.

 

[maverick512000]

I believe its $40,000 per day for training camp $ game checks are something like $960k for preseason games.

Then there's the $27m in bonus money that they could go after him for.



You are probably right , this one's likely to get ugly.

Problem for Watson is he has no legal leg to stand on. He hasn't even begun to fulfill his new contract as technically next season is the 5th year option , the final year of his rookie contract.

As for the ownership / management , you have to hope that they don't blink in this staring contest as this would be completely and totally terrible for the league , particularly smaller market teams. The 31 other owners are probably telling McNair he has to draw a line in the sand on this. (well 30 of the 31 other owners).

If Watson shows up and refuses to play or half asses it , he's hurting himself too .... marketability drops and what about your legacy ?
The team can suspend him for up to 4 weeks without pay but they can also deactivate the player for "non performance related issues" and withhold game checks.
The team also gets salary cap credit in the current season for the amount of the suspensions

Teams can recoup the same proportion of the prorated amount of a player's signing bonus for the suspension - prorated amount of a player's signing bonus as he's losing in base salary but signing bonus recovered doesn't affect the immediate cap - it goes to the following seasons cap.
Roster, reporting and option bonuses can also be recouped.

Something interesting is that almost every contract under the new CBA has language that allows the team to void the contract guarantees for various things - PED usage, substance abuse, conduct detrimental and personal conduct suspensions - yet he'd still be under contract to the team.


The more I think about it , if the team wants to play hardball .... Watson is the one who has the most to lose.

That raises a question and forgive me if this sounds stupid but does that mean the no trade clause isn't in affect yet? If he is still on his rookie contract and his new one hasn't activated does that apply to all parts or is the NTC retroactive?

This may sound naïve or make me a homer but I actually feel pretty good about Caserio as the GM while this is going down. Say what you want about the Pats but they have always played hardball with their players and players are just a means to an end for BB. If Caserio picked that up, and he hasn't been in Houston long enough to develop relationships with the players, then he may see Watson as just a means to improve the team either through him as QB or draft picks whichever he thinks is better. If it was OB running this we would be screwed, if I thought Cal was running this we would be screwed, Easterby I have no clue one way or another but Caserio has not struck me as the type to allow a power behind the throne, he could have stayed in NE for that. People says Caserio's first job as GM is to mend fences with Watson, I disagree, his first job is to put us in position to be better than 4-12. However, he does that is fine by me.

 

[whiteboy]

That raises a question and forgive me if this sounds stupid but does that mean the no trade clause isn't in affect yet? If he is still on his rookie contract and his new one hasn't activated does that apply to all parts or is the NTC retroactive?

This may sound naïve or make me a homer but I actually feel pretty good about Caserio as the GM while this is going down. Say what you want about the Pats but they have always played hardball with their players and players are just a means to an end for BB. If Caserio picked that up, and he hasn't been in Houston long enough to develop relationships with the players, then he may see Watson as just a means to improve the team either through him as QB or draft picks whichever he thinks is better. If it was OB running this we would be screwed, if I thought Cal was running this we would be screwed, Easterby I have no clue one way or another but Caserio has not struck me as the type to allow a power behind the throne, he could have stayed in NE for that. People says Caserio's first job as GM is to mend fences with Watson, I disagree, his first job is to put us in position to be better than 4-12. However, he does that is fine by me.

Don't think it matters.

He wants to go to the Jets, and it seems they can make us the best offer.

We should do a deal, and finalize it ... now.

 

[maverick512000]

Watson is his agent's puppet. His agent is orchestrating all of this, thats why we haven't heard from him. Mulugheta is the puppet master that's leaking info, is the source when Rappaport and others say "sources close to...." , he's in it for the $$$, get him to NY and Watson can do 300 million plus in appearances, commercials etc...and 10% goes to him.
I can't think of any other reason, doesn't make sense that Watson would do this on his own. Mulugheta's been whispering in his ear for awhile and now he's starting to believe.
That's what I'm starting to think.

I can see that, at the end of the day Watson is still a 25 year old that has been a winner at pretty much everything he has done. Sure he lost games in college but Clemson was still elite and its like losing in the SB. You lost but you are still one of the best to play the game. Fast forward to Houston and for the first time he's at a place where no matter how hard he plays or how well he plays he can't get the team over the hump because no one person of any talent can do that. He signs a new deal then plays his best year ever and they one of their worst seasons ever. Next thing he knows his agent is telling him about how Cal lied to him and Texans don't care about him or his opinions and how he would be so much better on another team and hey look at that X team over there will give you the respect you deserve.

It kind of reminds me of when Osweiler told the story of how he came to Houston. At the end when he felt disrespected his agent told him to stop even taking Elway's calls and to only speak through him to them.

 

[badboy]

Problem with all these scenarios is if they think they can talk Watson into staying, and dont go ahead and pull the trigger, they will never get as much for Watson as they can get RIGHT NOW. Nick saying they have no intention of trading "the player" hopefully was meant to drive the price up.

They have to trade him this year ... before the draft.

No other options.

Well I do agree and have stated that this is the perfect time to trade him . I thought that before the 20/20 draft also. I offered several scenarios to trade Deshaun to Washington, Raiders, and the Miami Dolphins Then. Not knowing that the Jaguars Would trade For an extra round 1 And so would the Jet's in the trade of Jamal Adams. If the trade of Watson does go through offering tremendous value to the receiving team, I could see Other teams following suit Perhaps as early as this offseason. This would open up even more possibilities to where we could fulfill dire need positions At bargain rates.

I am not certain if there has ever been a draft where the top three teams picking have at least two first-rounders With the dolphins having two and two round twos. That's a lot of tu tu.

I have often thought that nothing Goes down that will benefit the Texans. But if a trade Has to happen This is a very good Time in history for that too be resolved.

 

[badboy]

Don't think it matters.

He wants to go to the Jets, and it seems they can make us the best offer.

We should do a deal, and finalize it ... now.

Do a deal and then immediately start doing other deals .

 

[maverick512000]

I agree. But 31 teams are looking out for numero uno. Precedent or not they're going to do what they think is best for their club now & finagle the next CBA later

Yes and no, when the owners start to think there is a real problem with a player they will take short term hits to keep them in check. Look at the Kap situation, there were lots of team he would have been an upgrade at QB for particularly after some of the big names like Brees and big Ben all went down but the league. Stood firm on keeping him blackballed. I'm not saying Watson and Kap are the doing the same thing or the situations are the same but it does show that when they set their minds to it the owners can play real hardball. There are only 32 of them and they all think alike, not hard to get that small a group with similar thinking to agree on something.

 

[wildroot]

People saying not to trade Watson are fools.

He is already gone.

Why would you want to keep someone who doesn't want to be here?

Based on the Stafford/Goff deal, we should now easily be able to get three 1st rounders, multiple lower rounders, and a good player.

Or four 1st rounders, a couple other lower rounds, and a good player.

Trade him, and do it fast so we can rebuild and be in contention again in two or three years.

It's not good business to set a precedent of trading anyone under contract who decides they want out. He agreed to extend for 4 more years, he can leave after he fulfils that commitment.

 

[badboy]

I can see that, at the end of the day Watson is still a 25 year old that has been a winner at pretty much everything he has done. Sure he lost games in college but Clemson was still elite and its like losing in the SB. You lost but you are still one of the best to play the game. Fast forward to Houston and for the first time he's at a place where no matter how hard he plays or how well he plays he can't get the team over the hump because no one person of any talent can do that. He signs a new deal then plays his best year ever and they one of their worst seasons ever. Next thing he knows his agent is telling him about how Cal lied to him and Texans don't care about him or his opinions and how he would be so much better on another team and hey look at that X team over there will give you the respect you deserve.

It kind of reminds me of when Osweiler told the story of how he came to Houston. At the end when he felt disrespected his agent told him to stop even taking Elway's calls and to only speak through him to them.

His agent should also be telling DeShaun hey JJ Watt is set for life After football. No matter where he goes to set up house He will continue to Bring in big Advertising bucks.

James Harden whispering in his ear Look what I'm doing. You and I are both the best Player on Our respective Houston teams. We both make millions of dollars and can make even more. I have moved on to the New York area and so can you .

 

[badboy]

It's not good business to set a precedent of trading anyone under contract who decides they want out. He agreed to extend for 4 more years, he can leave after he fulfils that commitment.

It is extremely good business to trade 1 player for 6-8 Starters. Even more better good if that one Doesn't want to be there

 

[thunderkyss]

Based on the Stafford/Goff deal, we should now easily be able to get three 1st rounders, multiple lower rounders, and a good player.

Stafford was traded for plain nuts. Not even salted.

2022 1st is equal value to 2021 2nd
2023 1st is equal value to 2021 3rd

basically they got Goff (arguably 1st round value) a 2nd and two 3rds.

We should be expecting a lot more in return for Watson.

two 2021 1st round picks
two 2021 2nd round picks
two 2022 1st round picks
two 2022 2nd round picks

 

[thunderkyss]

He wants to go to the Jets, and it seems they can make us the best offer.

He does not want to go to the Jets.

 

[Mr teX]

Don't think it matters.

He wants to go to the Jets, and it seems they can make us the best offer.

We should do a deal, and finalize it ... now.

the only reason The jets and dolphins have “emerged” as the front runners is b/c they are 2 of like only 3 total teams in the league who can put a deal together good enough to land him and not be completely decimated. Its not that that’s where he’s said he “prefers” to go...that’s just speculation put out there by the media.

The only other team is the Jags and they’re in the catbird seat to land Lawrence so they wouldn’t be interested in giving up a kings ransom for him.

He’s basically screwed himself b/c he’s too good.

 

[badboy]

He does not want to go to the Jets.

Can you give me your opinion on that ?

 

[jets0517]

Yes that's what I've said; even Jets sites like ganggreen are mentioning Q in trade scenarios plus 1.2 + 1.23 and second round As a starting point. The article I read stated that would not be enough and they would definitely be willing to increase the offer . Comments out of Florida often mention X Howard as part of a trade to include their two 1st and two seconds This year and a first-round 2022. All of those comments state that might not be enough. Agree or disagree with John McClain, I think his proposal of two first + 2 seconds + 2 young vet starters Aligns with my Trade value for Deshaun Watson . Only the Jets and Miami can come close to this offer. However if we land 1.2 or 1.3 I think there are other teams that would give us A U-Haul full of Pics In a separate trade Such as the New York Giants .

most jets fans would be pissed if we gave up that much for watson. also, most of us believe there's no way douglas does it. if you get 1.2 ans 1.23 you can expect nothing more than seattle's first rounder in 2022 added to that with darnold possibly thrown in. douglas isn't going to gut the team and/or our draft capital on one player. doubtful that the dolphins do it either, and most fins fans don't want them to.

 

[whiteboy]

He does not want to go to the Jets.

It was reported that he did, because of Salah.

 

[wildroot]

Is Watson still playing under his rookie contract? Or has this new contract replaced his rookie deal when he signed it?

 

[thunderkyss]

It was reported that he did, because of Salah.

It was reported that he did, then that he didn’t, then it was insinuated he did because of Saleh. But I think his camp tweeted NYJets was not on his list.

 

[whiteboy]

It was reported that he did, then that he didn’t, then it was insinuated he did because of Saleh. But I think his camp tweeted NYJets was not on his list.

Interesting.

Not sure who besides Miami and Jets would even have enough to offer, unless we get a shitload of picks for several years.

 

[wildroot]

most jets fans would be pissed if we gave up that much for watson. also, most of us believe there's no way douglas does it. if you get 1.2 ans 1.23 you can expect nothing more than seattle's first rounder in 2022 added to that with darnold possibly thrown in. douglas isn't going to gut the team and/or our draft capital on one player. doubtful that the dolphins do it either, and most fins fans don't want them to.

Well, the flip side to that is you know what you have in Watson, you also now know what you have in Darnold. And drafting a QB is always a crap shoot. For every Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and Watson there's a Trubisky or Darnold or Daniel Jones or Dwayne Haskins or Josh Rosen or Jared Goff or Paxton Lynch or Winston or Johnny Football or Mariota and it goes on and on...How many 1st round picks did Cleveland go thru before finally before finally semi-hitting on Mayfield? And that's still up in the air. Manziel, Quinn, Weeden, Couch?
And that's only since they re-established the team in '99. Doesn't count for all the ones they've traded for.
To be able to trade for an elite top 4 or 5 QB with 4 years in and with a potential of 7-12 years still in front of him, how do you put a price on that? What would Montana or Brady be worth with 7-12 prime years ahead of them? You get Watson and the hard work is over, now all you have to do is surround him with a handful of solid player to fill the team out. Watson can make a solid player look elite just as Mahomes has done. Our problem was our idiot coach let a couple of key players walk (K. Jackson, DJ Reader, Hyde) traded away our All Pro Left Tackle and Hopkins, Will Fuller got suspended and our defense went brain dead.
You may laugh but I say with Miami or Jets, I want their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks for the next 3 years. That's the starting point. We can substitute players for picks or whatever they negotiate. But that's our opening shot.

 

[wildroot]

It was reported that he did, then that he didn’t, then it was insinuated he did because of Saleh. But I think his camp tweeted NYJets was not on his list.

He needs to give us his list and let us get this this process started if that's the direction we're going in.

 

[jets0517]

Well, the flip side to that is you know what you have in Watson, you also now know what you have in Darnold. And drafting a QB is always a crap shoot. For every Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and Watson there's a Trubisky or Darnold or Daniel Jones or Dwayne Haskins or Josh Rosen or Jared Goff or Paxton Lynch or Winston or Johnny Football or Mariota and it goes on and on...How many 1st round picks did Cleveland go thru before finally before finally semi-hitting on Mayfield? And that's still up in the air. Manziel, Quinn, Weeden, Couch?
And that's only since they re-established the team in '99. Doesn't count for all the ones they've traded for.
To be able to trade for an elite top 4 or 5 QB with 4 years in and with a potential of 7-12 years still in front of him, how do you put a price on that? What would Montana or Brady be worth with 7-12 prime years ahead of them? You get Watson and the hard work is over, now all you have to do is surround him with a handful of solid player to fill the team out. Watson can make a solid player look elite just as Mahomes has done. Our problem was our idiot coach let a couple of key players walk (K. Jackson, DJ Reader, Hyde) traded away our All Pro Left Tackle and Hopkins, Will Fuller got suspended and our defense went brain dead.
You may laugh but I say with Miami or Jets, I want their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks for the next 3 years. That's the starting point. We can substitute players for picks or whatever they negotiate. But that's our opening shot.

I dont think we really know what we have in darnold. Obviously watson is an elite player but I just dont see either team giving anything close to that. 1st round picks aren't all created equally. 1.2 is an incredibly valuable pick. Either way, what you are suggesting hamstrings each team too badly to be realistic. No disrespect, but watson on a crappy team just showed us the results. It would be insane, imo, to spend all the draft capital and money to build another 4-6 win team

 

[austins23]

I dont think we really know what we have in darnold. Obviously watson is an elite player but I just dont see either team giving anything close to that. 1st round picks aren't all created equally. 1.2 is an incredibly valuable pick. Either way, what you are suggesting hamstrings each team too badly to be realistic. No disrespect, but watson on a crappy team just showed us the results. It would be insane, imo, to spend all the draft capital and money to build another 4-6 win team

I agree with this, but....
With Saleh and Watson, there will be lots more free agents that would want to go there and play for those two. I don't see many free agents beating down the Texans door to play with Darnold and Culley.

My opinion is that if he is traded the Texans will get at least 3 first rounders and a couple of 2nd's and/or 3rd's. And a player.

 

[Corrosion]

Is Watson still playing under his rookie contract? Or has this new contract replaced his rookie deal when he signed it?

Technically he's still on the 5th year of the rookie deal .... the extension begins after next season.

They did add some new money to the 4th & 5th years of the rookie contract but that was in the form of a signing bonus.

 

[powda]

Team building should not revolve around free agency right now. No one will come here after this. It should be draft intensive.

 

[CstatTexan]

Well so far, the Lions new GM seems much more prepared and ready to attack. Idk wtf Nick Caserio is doing but it doesn’t seem to be solving problems.

 

[powda]

Well so far, the Lions new GM seems much more prepared and ready to attack. Idk wtf Nick Caserio is doing but it doesn’t seem to be solving problems.

Dudes been on the job less then a week. Chill.

 

[CstatTexan]

Dudes been on the job less then a week. Chill.

Yeah same for Lions new GM.