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Should Joppru Play This Preseason?

Should Joppru not play till the season starts?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 24.0%

  • No

    Votes: 26 25.0%

  • Still draft a TE to start right off the bat.

    Votes: 53 51.0%
  • Total voters
    104
  • Poll closed .
bigTEXan8

bigTEXan8

Rookie
I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think this is something the Texans must seriously consider. If I had my way, I'd hire a personal trainer for Joppru, just have Joppru work out and watch game film all day long. Don't let him out of his padded room till the season starts.

I just got to thinking about this when thinking about drafting a TE in the upcoming draft.
 
oops...I meant to pick no. Your topic question and poll question are different :)...kinda confusing.

Yes he should play this preseason.
 
oh... and i see no logic in saying "Joppru is a bust"... that is majorly jumping the gun. He could still come back and never get injured again. He doesnt have a history of injury before coming to Houston. We have no idea what we have in him.. but he isnt a bust yet.. if he gets injured again, we will probably have to cut him and call him a bust.
 
Grid said:
oh... and i see no logic in saying "Joppru is a bust"... that is majorly jumping the gun. He could still come back and never get injured again. He doesnt have a history of injury before coming to Houston. We have no idea what we have in him.. but he isnt a bust yet.. if he gets injured again, we will probably have to cut him and call him a bust.
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dude... 3 years and 0 snaps... and you say calling him a bust is majorly jumping the gun? honestly, I think anyone that expects him to ever see the field in any important situation is just delusional.

A high 2nd round pick, going into his 4th year, and has never taken a snap.

The fact that he didnt have injury concerns at Michigan doesnt mean anything, because he obviously has injury problems here.
 
a bust is a useless player.. duh?

Is he a useless player? no.. he isnt.. he hasnt seen a snap.. he is no more a useless player than every single player in this years draft.

He has no injury history, he has had some incredible bad luck here but his lack of an injury history means that he could still come back from it. I wouldnt say it is incredibly likely.. but it is still possible, and as long as it is possible, and as long as we have absolutely no idea what we have in him.. calling him a bust is jumping the gun.

This seems like simple logic to me.
 
and then maybe during the regular season we'll put a 'dont hurt my little boy' poster on his jersey so defenders wont tackle him....if a player is such a cause for concern he shouldnt be there. plus this isnt peyton manning-we've seen nothing out of joppru and he still has to prove alot
 
If he's got injury problems he's probably going to get hurt either way. I think he needs to get some snaps in preseason, unless the trainers think a few more weeks off will make a significant difference in his recovery. Either way though we need to plan for this season as if he's not going to play.
 
depending on how the coaching staff feels about this. i believe his potential outweighs using another high draft pick on a TE.

let him play like everyone else and IMO he is not a bust unless we get nothing at all out of this. he can still come back to prove his worth...even though some fans have already made up their minds.

heres to a healthy joppru this season :texflag:
 
Grid said:
a bust is a useless player.. duh?

Is he a useless player? no.. he isnt.. he hasnt seen a snap.. he is no more a useless player than every single player in this years draft.

He has no injury history, he has had some incredible bad luck here but his lack of an injury history means that he could still come back from it. I wouldnt say it is incredibly likely.. but it is still possible, and as long as it is possible, and as long as we have absolutely no idea what we have in him.. calling him a bust is jumping the gun.

This seems like simple logic to me.
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he has no injury history? ok, maybe out of college, but guess what.. hes been in the NFL 3 years, and has been injured every single one. Thats a hell of an injury concern to me.

you can get off with 1 season ender, maybe 2 if its a freak injury, but when you get to 3, hes obviously doing something wrong, it just doesnt happen.
 
ccdude730 said:
depending on how the coaching staff feels about this. i believe his potential outweighs using another high draft pick on a TE.

let him play like everyone else and IMO he is not a bust unless we get nothing at all out of this. he can still come back to prove his worth...even though some fans have already made up their minds.

heres to a healthy joppru this season :texflag:
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but if 1 of marcedes,pope or davis was still there @ #33 you'd be tempted (or byrd etc further down)
 
I don't think he is a bust, I just think he is a disappointment. I just hope he can come back and play. If I was the Texans FO I would still plan on not having him this year. :twocents:
 
it just doesnt happen? show me why. Give me some examples of players that have come out of College with no injury history and had freak season ending injuries their first three years.

If he was from UT you would be singing his praises and saying that he was going to come back and win us a superbowl next year :P
 
no matter what, we need 2 TE's that can catch AND block. we need depth like that..

Joppru needs to play in the preseason if he is healed.
 
Grid said:
it just doesnt happen? show me why. Give me some examples of players that have come out of College with no injury history and had freak season ending injuries their first three years.

If he was from UT you would be singing his praises and saying that he was going to come back and win us a superbowl next year :P
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no, id be saying why is he still on the roster.

you can't tell the difference between someone who is a huge UT fan and will correct someone when they make a BS comment about VY or Huff, and someone that runs around screaming UT is the best draft vince blah blah
 
I think we draft another TE. Given Joppru's NFL history, I say we hedge our bets. That way, if Joppru makes it - we have some depth - if he doesn't - we have a TE and we certainly need a good one.
 
Even though it is not really fair, Joppru is a bust uunless he proves to have some value. Many of you would not be so defensive about calling him that if he were not a Texans' player. It is done on these boards with other injuried players all the time. Any player who does not contribute to expectation is by definition a bust even if injury is the cause not meeting that expectation.

Joppru has not played in any type of football game since Jan 2003. There is no other way to figure out if he is an NFL calibur player (remember we don't know) than to have him suit up in football games. You can't protect him because you don't know if he is any good.
 
I guess I have a different definition of bust then.

A bust to me is a player who cant play at an NFL level. They are not good enough to help their team win.

Jopprue hasnt contributed anything to the team.. but he hasnt proven that he CANT contribute either. As long as we have him under contract I see no reason not to keep him and hope that he can come back and prove himself. If he gets injured again and his contract comes up.. THEN i will call him a bust and expect us not to re-sign him.

Until then though.. im not going to call him a bust.. just a really unlucky rookie. I hope he comes back from it though.. its the kind of story that ESPN will turn into a 3 minute "feel good" clip to play at halftime in our first superbowl appearance :)
 
In terms of the draft pick used to draft him he most definately is a bust, because that secound round pick could have been used on someone who provided more utiity in the past 3 years.

In terms of the talent we have to present on the field, it has yet to be determined if he can play or not. Statistically the numbers are against him and spending one of our picks, either a 3rd or a 4th rounder on a TE, or bringing in a free agent would be advised.
 
YodAa said:
Joppru is a bust, nothing else to it.
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You have no idea what you're talking about ! A bust is a failure, Joppru is not a failure. He is a very, very unfortionate player but that is in no way a bust. Got it ? How dare you call someone like Joppru a bust who has nothing but bad luck with no opportunity to succeed in the NFL.
I myself am pulling for Joppru like I've pulled for few athletes, but have no idea how this is going to turn out. And I'm sorry to say I'm not hopeful.
Maybe he finally catches some good luck, and he has a chance to succeed
in this league. I can only hope.
 
Wolf said:
no matter what, we need 2 TE's that can catch AND block. we need depth like that..

Joppru needs to play in the preseason if he is healed.
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I agree 100%. Draft another TE and play both of them in the preseason. Whichever one proves himself as starter gets the job. The other is his backup.

I don't think Joppru is a "bust", per say. At least not in the typical meaning of bust. He hasn't been able to prove himself, so the jury is still out. But another year missed because of getting hurt could put him in that category of being a bust because of being considered injury prone.
 
Double Barrel said:
I agree 100%. Draft another TE and play both of them in the preseason. Whichever one proves himself as starter gets the job. The other is his backup.

I don't think Joppru is a "bust", per say. At least not in the typical meaning of bust. He hasn't been able to prove himself, so the jury is still out. But another year missed because of getting hurt could put him in that category of being a bust because of being considered injury prone.
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its my belief that 50% of being a great player is being able to stay healthy. who cares how good you are if you cant play, it doesnt matter.

So I think if you get hurt and never play, yes you were a bust because that team picked you to make an impact, and you did the total opposite by not even playing.
 
bleh.. I wouldnt even call him fragile.. he hasnt had a multitude of injuries.

He had one major injury that ended his first season... he wasnt ready to return and reinjured it his second season...

did he miss a 3rd season too? if so i cant remember the injury.
 
Grid said:
bleh.. I wouldnt even call him fragile.. he hasnt had a multitude of injuries.

He had one major injury that ended his first season... he wasnt ready to return and reinjured it his second season...

did he miss a 3rd season too? if so i cant remember the injury.
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yes he tore his ACL in camp this year.
 
Hard-luck Texans TE Joppru tears ACL

NFL.com wire reports

HOUSTON (May 18, 2005) -- Texans tight end Bennie Joppru could miss his third consecutive season after tearing a right knee ligament during an offseason practice.

An MRI exam revealed that Joppru tore the anterior cruciate ligament in a workout May 16. The team said he will undergo surgery sometime in the next two weeks

The 6-foot-4, 260-pound Joppru was a star at Michigan but has yet to play in the NFL.

As a rookie, Joppru injured his groin during the first week of training camp and spent the rest of the year on injured reserve. Another groin injury sidelined him last season.
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yeah 3 seasons unfortuantly


http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/8483108
 
ahh thats right.

So he has really had two injuries.. one that got reinjured. They just happened to be season ending :P.

The fact that he wasnt ever injured in college makes me think he could come back from it and never have injury problems again. But we will see.
 
Grid said:
oh... and i see no logic in saying "Joppru is a bust"... that is majorly jumping the gun. He could still come back and never get injured again. He doesnt have a history of injury before coming to Houston. We have no idea what we have in him.. but he isnt a bust yet.. if he gets injured again, we will probably have to cut him and call him a bust.
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I bet Capers said the same thing. It is not that he is a 100% bust, but that sometimes you have to cut your losses and base your decisions on what is more likely. Its not like they didnt give him a chance. He suffered injuries that could end his career. I see no reason Bennie Bosselli should stay and leech off of houston any longer. Most likely he is not the next HOF TE so why miss out on giving someone else a chance. Same goes for Bradford.:brickwall
 
well...lets see.

for one he isnt LEACHING anything. His cap hit is minor at worst. Cutting him would gain us nothing valuable.

Most likely he is not the next HOF TE
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Cant say for sure can you? thats why you dont just cut any player who has fallen out of favor with the scatterbrained fanbase.

miss out on giving someone else a chance? that what training camp is for... would you please think? If he makes it through camp and earns a roster spot.. he isnt taking anyone else spot, he earned himself one. If he gets injured again..he is either going to be on IR again, or cut. The only thing he has done for 3 seasons is take a spot on our IR list.. and him being on it hasnt cost us any players... so, he hasnt impeded anyone elses chance.. and he wont in the future.. that is why we evaluate players before the season starts.

As for Bradford. Our mistake wasnt having him on the roster... it was keeping him as a #2 receiver. He is not terrible and would be nice to have as a #4 guy behind AJ, Mathis, and Gaffney/Armstrong.. or whoever we end up with. He is fast.. and he catches the ball often enough to be a threat. He can cause mismatches as well when he is on the field with a couple of better receivers. If the price is right...we should keep him.
 
Dude has more years in the league than days in training camp that he took part in the drills. I go to practices and all I ever saw out of Joppru was him carring his contract around. He has been on the roster for three years and yet to make any contibution to the team. Major Bust
 
Grid said:
I guess I have a different definition of bust then.

A bust to me is a player who cant play at an NFL level. They are not good enough to help their team win.

Jopprue hasnt contributed anything to the team.. but he hasnt proven that he CANT contribute either. As long as we have him under contract I see no reason not to keep him and hope that he can come back and prove himself. If he gets injured again and his contract comes up.. THEN i will call him a bust and expect us not to re-sign him.

Until then though.. im not going to call him a bust.. just a really unlucky rookie. I hope he comes back from it though.. its the kind of story that ESPN will turn into a 3 minute "feel good" clip to play at halftime in our first superbowl appearance :)
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Let's say you signed a free agent WR that never played a down because of injuries. Why is that not a bust? You aren't getting what they paid for.

I don't know why Joppru keeps getting hurt. Bad conditioning? Bad luck? Either way, I have a hard time counting on him.
 
Grid

Maybe you have a point, but either way after 3 years the team should have addressed the TE position, instead they have been waiting on Joppru to get healthy.
 
barzilla said:
Let's say you signed a free agent WR that never played a down because of injuries. Why is that not a bust? You aren't getting what they paid for.
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It depends. Did he never play a down and then get cut, or has he never played a down and is still on the roster with the possibility to play?

You dont call someone a bust until they are off the team.. as long as he is still here, there is still the chance for him to contribute.. therefore...not a bust yet.
 
TexHorns said:
Grid

Maybe you have a point, but either way after 3 years the team should have addressed the TE position, instead they have been waiting on Joppru to get healthy.
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I dunno if they have been waiting for Joppru to get healthy..or just not considered it an important need.

You can expect Kubiak to address the needs at TE this offseason if he intends to run the Denver offense here.
 
Brad Lidge had a history of injuries in the minor leagues. Newsflash...he's pretty good.

He definitely needs to play all of preseason to get back into football shape. One thing about the injuries, it has saved him 3 years of NFL pounding. The boy still has plenty of tread left on his tires. It would be foolish to cut him loose at this point.

That being said, we need to pick up a TE in the draft or free agency. One that can block AND catch.
 
If he keeps the luck he's had the last three years, he'll be out for the season before the preseason even starts... :crying:
 
Texan281 said:
If he keeps the luck he's had the last three years, he'll be out for the season before the preseason even starts... :crying:
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does he even have anything left in his body to still hurt?? Eventually he's going to run out of stuff in his legs to tear and screw up.
 
Remember when everyone was yelling about how we'd wasted a 2nd round draft pick on Joppru in our second draft ever? Something about how TE was the only position with any depth on our roster? :P

Things change. Just take the best players available in the draft, and work with your talent, rather than trying to force your draft picks. If a good TE falls to us and he's the best player there, we should take him. Otherwise, we'll just have to work with what we've got.

That being said, I really hope that Benni's able to turn things around. If he could become David's best friend as the secondary target, that would be amazing.
 
Let the countdown start for Joppru's next season-ending injury. It's as reliable as Old Faithful. The guy is made out of chalk. When does training camp start anyway?
 
Grid said:
oh... and i see no logic in saying "Joppru is a bust"... that is majorly jumping the gun. He could still come back and never get injured again. He doesnt have a history of injury before coming to Houston. We have no idea what we have in him.. but he isnt a bust yet.. if he gets injured again, we will probably have to cut him and call him a bust.
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its a bust if he doesn't live up to the spot where he was drafted, he was mid 2nd rite? And in 3 yrs hes done absolutely nothing...... really you don't think hes a bust?
 
Grid said:
bleh.. I wouldnt even call him fragile.. he hasnt had a multitude of injuries.

He had one major injury that ended his first season... he wasnt ready to return and reinjured it his second season...

did he miss a 3rd season too? if so i cant remember the injury.
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In this thread alone, you've not only stated that Bennie Joppru is not a bust, but you've also declared that he's neither injury prone, nor even fragile. This is one of the most spectacular cases of self-delusion I've ever seen, and I congratulate you.
 
Ok, he hasn't been given the chance to prove that he is a bust due to injury. I get that. It's legit. I don't see him playing a down in the regular season. I could be wrong. I hope i'm wrong. But sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.
 
It is borderline, but a tough decision nonetheless. At 875k against the cap and having kept him for so long it would seem that we would at least like to see what he does at camp, but that may effect where and if we draft a TE. Moreover, Bruener will be getting a 1 mil this year as well (140k bonus). 1.875 mil at a position that yields nothing are dollars horribly spent.

My hunch is that we release him or both.
 
We have Joppru, Bruener right now we can resign Rivers for nice and cheap. Why not get Teyo Johnson a big basketball type TE that would have been the star in Oakland had he not popped off to Turner. The kid has talent. I say we drop Rivers pick up Teyo J. for a cheap two year deal then draft, I cant believe I am saying this a UT guy, David Thomas in the 4th. Joppru does not work out who cares we have Teyo and Thomas two guys that are ok blockers and good receivers that can stretch defenses and do well in the red-zone. This would be the most cost effective and highest risk/reward play we could make.
 
Yossarian said:
In this thread alone, you've not only stated that Bennie Joppru is not a bust, but you've also declared that he's neither injury prone, nor even fragile. This is one of the most spectacular cases of self-delusion I've ever seen, and I congratulate you.
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Why thank you :)

Sorry I dont consider him fragile. His injury history isnt extensive.. he has really only had 2 injuries in his career.. they just both happen to be big ones.

Hollings is Fragile.
 
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