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Shelton to visit
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outofhnd
Rookie
The only guy i remember is Bruce Mathews & Mike Munchak (if he was around in 85) because i was 8 at that time.
Hmm I Think the acquisition of an every down TE will do more for the sack total than a new O lineman the only thing shelton can do is either Push or overtake wand for the left tackle job unless there is an O line shuffle taking place.maybe they moved wand to guard so that he can watch pitts and see what pitts does that Wand doesn't
I Personally think wand is afraid to grab a little jersey. I think he needs to learn the lil things like not jumping so far back from the rest of the line on passing plays. he put himself on an island with Freeney a lot. Who knows though maybe he just doesnt react to the speed rush fast enough and gets blown backwards.
Hmm I Think the acquisition of an every down TE will do more for the sack total than a new O lineman the only thing shelton can do is either Push or overtake wand for the left tackle job unless there is an O line shuffle taking place.maybe they moved wand to guard so that he can watch pitts and see what pitts does that Wand doesn't
I Personally think wand is afraid to grab a little jersey. I think he needs to learn the lil things like not jumping so far back from the rest of the line on passing plays. he put himself on an island with Freeney a lot. Who knows though maybe he just doesnt react to the speed rush fast enough and gets blown backwards.
Texan in Japan
Rookie
I believe David Williams was one OT.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I'm not sure about the timing anymore either. Maggs was picked by us in 84 though. What year did the USFL fold? 84?
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/rosters.nsf/Annual/1985-hou
http://www.drafthistory.com/supplemental/supplemental-1984.html
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/rosters.nsf/Annual/1985-hou
http://www.drafthistory.com/supplemental/supplemental-1984.html
i remember when we had the run and shoot its seems like all we drafted in the 1st round was 1 LB, a bunch of OL and DL in the 1st round. Isnt that pretty accurate. I remember we had a few DB's in the 2nd and 3rd a few WR in the 2nd and 3rd but it seems to have been mostly OL right.
Texans Pride
Veteran
Here is comes!
Shelton, who started 77 of 82 games in six seasons with Arizona, was scheduled to begin a two-day visit with the Texans today after the Cardinals released him last week.
You can find the entire story here:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3198504
Shelton, who started 77 of 82 games in six seasons with Arizona, was scheduled to begin a two-day visit with the Texans today after the Cardinals released him last week.
You can find the entire story here:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3198504
I really hope he does come here and could list valuable reasons:
1. Out of all teams interested, he has most chances of starting here at Houston.
2. He know's we need him right now with our wos and might take this on as him being a "savior"
3. He is very young and might enjoy it down here with a young team, with solid standout youngsters.
4. We have the cap space to sign him to a good deal.
1. Out of all teams interested, he has most chances of starting here at Houston.
2. He know's we need him right now with our wos and might take this on as him being a "savior"
3. He is very young and might enjoy it down here with a young team, with solid standout youngsters.
4. We have the cap space to sign him to a good deal.
texan279
Hall of Fame
Texans | Shelton in Town for a Visit - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 25 May 2005 17:28:13 -0700
Updating earlier stories, the Associated Press reports free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) began a two-day visit with the Houston Texans Wednesday, May 25. If signed, Shelton probably will replace OT Seth Wand as the starting left tackle. "We'll go through the process of evaluating him and figuring out how he might fit in," Texans head coach Dom Capers said. "I can't tell you why he's available right now. But when there's a guy that has athletic ability, we're going to look into it."
Wed, 25 May 2005 17:28:13 -0700
Updating earlier stories, the Associated Press reports free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) began a two-day visit with the Houston Texans Wednesday, May 25. If signed, Shelton probably will replace OT Seth Wand as the starting left tackle. "We'll go through the process of evaluating him and figuring out how he might fit in," Texans head coach Dom Capers said. "I can't tell you why he's available right now. But when there's a guy that has athletic ability, we're going to look into it."
texan279
Hall of Fame
I agree with these, but these are all also reasons we could end up overpaying for him if we sign him. The one good thing about this situation is I read somewhere that he wants to start at LT, and I think the Bears want to put him in at G, the Jags are looking at him for depth, and I think the Chiefs are looking at him for depth or a G, can't remember. So if what he really wants is to start at LT, Houston is the place for Shelton!
jacquescas
Veteran
i like the move, it doesn't necesarily cut Wand out, i think Pitts makes a better guard than tackle, and keeping him at guard will decrease his asking price when his contract comes up. Wand will give us depth and Shelton at 29 can help push him.
Nawzer
Alienz
I really hope we can sign Shelton and the fact that he's here for a 2 day visit is a good indication. But I won't get my hopes up too high. I personally think the Cardinals are going to be one of the surprise teams in the NFL. I think Dennis Green is taking them towards the right direction.
CARDINALS NOTEBOOK
By DARREN URBAN
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****Cardinals coach Dennis Green stressed Thursday there was a simple reason why he decided to cut offensive lineman L.J. Shelton.
Shelton simply didnt produce.
"I deal in results," Green said. "I dont think many people around here are used to dealing in results.
"I came here in 2004, I saw in four (home) games, there were less than 25,000 people in the stands. Somebody has to be accountable for that. People are not going to see you play unless you accept the responsibility of putting a winning team on the field. Thats what I always do."
Green reiterated he thought the line was the teams most underachieving unit when he took over last year. After cutting both Shelton and tackle Anthony Clement over the past couple of weeks, four of the teams five offensive line starters from 2003 are no longer with the team.
The lone player remaining, tackle Leonard Davis, also got a subtle admonition from Green.
We hope Leonard Davis accepts the challenge that he be as good as (Pro Bowlers) Walter Jones and Orlando Pace because he had that kind of promise coming out, he was drafted in that kind of position and he has that kind of potential," Green said.
Green deflected questions asking him to assess his line depth. But he left no doubt that changes are possible.
"We started it last year and we are into it again this year and we will probably continue it next year," Green said. "Its nothing personal against Shelton or Clement or anybody else. Its just part of what you have to do if you are going to be a winning football team."
By DARREN URBAN
TRIBUNE
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CONTACT WRITER: (480) 898-6495 or durban@aztrib.com
****Cardinals coach Dennis Green stressed Thursday there was a simple reason why he decided to cut offensive lineman L.J. Shelton.
Shelton simply didnt produce.
"I deal in results," Green said. "I dont think many people around here are used to dealing in results.
"I came here in 2004, I saw in four (home) games, there were less than 25,000 people in the stands. Somebody has to be accountable for that. People are not going to see you play unless you accept the responsibility of putting a winning team on the field. Thats what I always do."
Green reiterated he thought the line was the teams most underachieving unit when he took over last year. After cutting both Shelton and tackle Anthony Clement over the past couple of weeks, four of the teams five offensive line starters from 2003 are no longer with the team.
The lone player remaining, tackle Leonard Davis, also got a subtle admonition from Green.
We hope Leonard Davis accepts the challenge that he be as good as (Pro Bowlers) Walter Jones and Orlando Pace because he had that kind of promise coming out, he was drafted in that kind of position and he has that kind of potential," Green said.
Green deflected questions asking him to assess his line depth. But he left no doubt that changes are possible.
"We started it last year and we are into it again this year and we will probably continue it next year," Green said. "Its nothing personal against Shelton or Clement or anybody else. Its just part of what you have to do if you are going to be a winning football team."
Hervoyel
BUENO!
TEXANS84 said:
Well, now that sounds promising doesn't it? I'm sure this guy will do a very good job backing up Seth Wand if it comes to that. Someone is probably going to pony up "stupid money" for him though because he's a LT and so many people need one. I hope it's not the Texans. I hope if the Texans sign him (which I am not opposed to by the way because I see him as an improvement over Spears) I hope they do it for a reasonable "quality depth" type of contract.
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
Wand can't fight for a LT spot cuz he doesn't have the footwork needed.
He can have a fair fight for a Guard or RT spot, but, he just isn't talented enough as far as the speed and mobility needed to play LT.
If they bring in a legit LT like Shelton, then Wand won't be a LT.
However if they continue to toil with Guards and Right Tackles fighting each other for the Left Tackle spot then Wand does have a chance.
Moving Pitts and Wand around isn't going to solve their problems, just like a new blocking scheme and quicker throws........its like putting play-dough on a deep cut, it might stop the bleeding, but, eventually the whole apendage will be infected.
I have no idea what that play-doh thing means, but, to me it does seem like they are going with the play-doh solution for our TEXANS O-line.
He can have a fair fight for a Guard or RT spot, but, he just isn't talented enough as far as the speed and mobility needed to play LT.
If they bring in a legit LT like Shelton, then Wand won't be a LT.
However if they continue to toil with Guards and Right Tackles fighting each other for the Left Tackle spot then Wand does have a chance.
Moving Pitts and Wand around isn't going to solve their problems, just like a new blocking scheme and quicker throws........its like putting play-dough on a deep cut, it might stop the bleeding, but, eventually the whole apendage will be infected.
I have no idea what that play-doh thing means, but, to me it does seem like they are going with the play-doh solution for our TEXANS O-line.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Porky
Hall of Fame
Hervoyel said:
Did you really think Green is going to tell the media he is great? I'm not saying he is the second coming off Bruce Matthews, but it's unlikely a coach is going to pump up a guy he just cut. Wouldn't exactly make him look like a brainicac. If he signs, he signs as a starter, unless Wand can beat him out. Unlikely imo. I really don't think it's even that close. Shelton starts at LT if he signs imho.
Exactly. The guy is very athletic and has excellect footwork, but was initiallyinfantrycak said:
nearly anemic for such a big man. I remember from the combine, his 225 lb reps # was downright embarrising - some DBs had more reps than him! And regarding his technique, he came from a podunck college in the middle of nowhere that played other podunk colleges, so he had minimul training on technique and even if he did, had no top talent or real matchups to play against to improve his skills. He went from that experience to playing man-o-mano against the best pass rusher in the league twice last year. This guy has the classic profile of a late bloomer, its just that this team has other
and higher priorities than waiting for his maturation process to be completed.
Neither would I be to quick to pile on another franchise. Remember how everyone was just saying we could mail in our opener here in Reliant last year against the Chargers ? I seemed to recall them having a descent season, actually quite a bit better than ours. We have a ways to go befrore we've earned our bones. And I also think Green is a damn good coach which has got to help there chances.Nawzer said:
mj.
Practice Squad
ESPN info of Shelton's visit...
"This is a great organization. I like what I see so far," Shelton said during a tour of the Texans' facilities. "I have to weigh all my options. I'm kind of waiting to see what happens."
"I'm not expecting to come in and start," Shelton said. "But I'm looking for an opportunity to compete."
He went through an almost hour-long workout Thursday morning, then spent the rest of the day visiting with team officials and doctors.
"I've never seen anything like this," Shelton said of the team's facilities. "This is a first-class organization."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2069291&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233
"This is a great organization. I like what I see so far," Shelton said during a tour of the Texans' facilities. "I have to weigh all my options. I'm kind of waiting to see what happens."
"I'm not expecting to come in and start," Shelton said. "But I'm looking for an opportunity to compete."
He went through an almost hour-long workout Thursday morning, then spent the rest of the day visiting with team officials and doctors.
"I've never seen anything like this," Shelton said of the team's facilities. "This is a first-class organization."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2069291&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233
gsbtxn
Waterboy
Here's an espn.com article about Shelton's visit...No place like...Houston? Texans Impress Shelton
throwANDREtheBALL
Waterboy
Its a fact that Shelton has athletic ability, plus his technique is going to be a decade ahead of Wand, since he's been a starter at left tackle a lot longer.
The fact is Shelton is a better LT than Wand.........if you want to dispute that, go ahead....bring in some more of your "pre-draft analysis" on WAND to tell me I'm wrong, unfortunately that stuff was written a couple of years ago guys. Wand was was drafted in 2003, so you need to catch up to the times. He's hit the weight room since then, give me a break.
We're talking about who's better in 2005, not who's better in 2003.
The fact is Shelton is a better LT than Wand.........if you want to dispute that, go ahead....bring in some more of your "pre-draft analysis" on WAND to tell me I'm wrong, unfortunately that stuff was written a couple of years ago guys. Wand was was drafted in 2003, so you need to catch up to the times. He's hit the weight room since then, give me a break.
We're talking about who's better in 2005, not who's better in 2003.
Porky said:
If we do sign someone (anyone) who was cut by another team and that person starts for us (at LT no less!!) then that pretty much shoots down those on this board who have been mouthing the Texans' party line like parrots and saying that our O-line is just fine and dandy now that we have another year together, have new blocking schemes, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
From Seth Wand's draft profile on NFL.com (infantrycak provided link):
That's picking up stunts & twists at the NCAA Division II level. Because at the NFL level, Wand has been terrible on stunts & twists. In his rookie year, Wand "blocked" Greg Randall on a stunt & the Colts' Raheem Brock took out Carr for 2 weeks. Last year against the Jets, Eric Barton went untouched by Wand on a stunt, and nearly decapitated Carr. I guess things happen a little quicker in the NFL than they do in Division II.
As far as the physical metrics go, Wand seems to have what it takes. He's got the size, the arm length, the foot speed...Wand has the tools. But he is so far behind in instincts & technique that Seth seems to play robotic. He's thinking & not reacting. That's not Wand's fault, he's just way behind the curve. Some think it's only a matter of time before Wand begins to adjust and become a NFL LT. Some think he just doesn't have what it takes to become a blindside blocker. Some think the emperor's clothes are marvelous, simply marvelous. What matters is what the Texans think. And at LT, it looks like they're going in a direction away from Wand.
That's picking up stunts & twists at the NCAA Division II level. Because at the NFL level, Wand has been terrible on stunts & twists. In his rookie year, Wand "blocked" Greg Randall on a stunt & the Colts' Raheem Brock took out Carr for 2 weeks. Last year against the Jets, Eric Barton went untouched by Wand on a stunt, and nearly decapitated Carr. I guess things happen a little quicker in the NFL than they do in Division II.
As far as the physical metrics go, Wand seems to have what it takes. He's got the size, the arm length, the foot speed...Wand has the tools. But he is so far behind in instincts & technique that Seth seems to play robotic. He's thinking & not reacting. That's not Wand's fault, he's just way behind the curve. Some think it's only a matter of time before Wand begins to adjust and become a NFL LT. Some think he just doesn't have what it takes to become a blindside blocker. Some think the emperor's clothes are marvelous, simply marvelous. What matters is what the Texans think. And at LT, it looks like they're going in a direction away from Wand.
geofb said:
I am one of those guys who said another year together instead of signing anyone who had LT on his resume....Exactly, what quality, hold it, even solid LT have the Texans ignored. My comments have been largely based on not bringing in a guy to bring in a body who is only better than Wand because his name is not Wand.
Shelton is a solid player, not great, not special, solid. Would he upgrade Seth Wand? Probably. Does his potential signing make Houston a quality NFL O-line without improvement in protection schemes and the play of the other members? No.
The Preacher
Waterboy
How much longer before the season gets here? :brickwall
HardKnockTexan
Rookie
Texans | Shelton Enjoys Visit - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 26 May 2005 14:43:25 -0700
The Associated Press reports free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) wrapped up a two-visit with the Houston Texans on Thursday, May 26. "This is a great organization," Shelton said during a tour of the Texans' facilities. "I like what I see so far. I have to weigh all my options. I'm kind of waiting to see what happens." Shelton went through an almost hour-long workout Thursday morning, then spent the rest of the day visiting with team officials and doctors.
Thu, 26 May 2005 14:43:25 -0700
The Associated Press reports free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) wrapped up a two-visit with the Houston Texans on Thursday, May 26. "This is a great organization," Shelton said during a tour of the Texans' facilities. "I like what I see so far. I have to weigh all my options. I'm kind of waiting to see what happens." Shelton went through an almost hour-long workout Thursday morning, then spent the rest of the day visiting with team officials and doctors.
Wolfiegrrl
Fan of NFC Seahawks & AFC Texans
I don't think our O-Line is going to be "fixed" by throwing in someone that the Card's let go. I'm not completely happy with swapping up Pitts and Wand either. However, we are, for all intents and purposes, stuck between a rock and a hard place. The 2005 draft was not very strong or deep in the LT position. Should we have wasted a pick on someone that might end up like Shelton? Or do we wait, hope that the guys we have can work something out between them for one more year? I say patience is our best virtue here. Yes, we need to protect David. We are working on ways to do this with what we have. I have faith in our team. Things are coming together.
BradK10
Veteran
The guy is talented, he was just stuck on a dead on team. Some people were saying stuff about T-Mac like "Why does Orlando want to trade him..." and what not. Well, you saw how moving to a good franchise affected him. I'll say the same for Shelton. Playing for a first class organization with actual fans can do wonders for a players morale.
