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Texans | Shelton to Visit - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 23 May 2005 18:29:51 -0700

Adam Schefter, of NFL.com, reports free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) will visit with the Houston Texans later this week. They see Shelton as a left tackle and someone who can protect QB David Carr's blind side.
 
Here's our chance. Maybe the Pitts to LT and Wand to LG was a big smokescreen thrown by CC as he plans on taking Shelton? Maybe he wants to play both Shelton and Wand at the same time and use Pitts as a backup to Shelton. But it probably is just a simple visit as all teams that have a need player become available usually bring him in for a visit, even if they know they won't sign him. I really hope it was the first one though.

I could see him going to the Bears though.
 
Here is a bit more from Adam Schefter

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8498274

First, the Texans made a major run at free-agent left tackle Orlando Pace. Once they failed to land him, they turned back to left tackle Seth Wand. Then, when the Texans convened for on-field drills today, they had moved Wand to left guard and Chester Pitts to left tackle. Last week, the Texans also signed veteran free agent Victor Riley, who can play left or right tackle. But for the right price, the Texans would love to add Shelton to protect David Carr's blind side. Shelton wants to play left tackle. And if that's the key factor, he could wind up in Houston.

You can find the rest of the story from the link.
 
Really I don't mind being the last one he visits - it should be the most lasting impression and we have more time to prepare. It also means he hasn't made up his mind yet. I don't have a problem with Wand being a backup for a few years if Shelton performs much better. At some point, maybe Wand will be ready to take the job from Shelton.
 
I've often heard of players having multiple visits with teams, but finding one he like in the first or second visit and canceling the rest of the visits...

Take that for what it is worth.
 
DRIFTAWAY said:
Here's our chance. Maybe the Pitts to LT and Wand to LG was a big smokescreen thrown by CC as he plans on taking Shelton? Maybe he wants to play both Shelton and Wand at the same time and use Pitts as a backup to Shelton. But it probably is just a simple visit as all teams that have a need player become available usually bring him in for a visit, even if they know they won't sign him. I really hope it was the first one though.

I could see him going to the Bears though.
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If he came to houston, there is no way that chester pitts would be our backup. he was arguably our best lineman last yr. he would likely stay at LG while shelton starts at LT. wand is the one who would be on the bench backing up shelton.
 
Texans Pride said:
Here is a bit more from Adam Schefter

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8498274

First, the Texans made a major run at free-agent left tackle Orlando Pace. Once they failed to land him, they turned back to left tackle Seth Wand. Then, when the Texans convened for on-field drills today, they had moved Wand to left guard and Chester Pitts to left tackle. Last week, the Texans also signed veteran free agent Victor Riley, who can play left or right tackle. But for the right price, the Texans would love to add Shelton to protect David Carr's blind side. Shelton wants to play left tackle. And if that's the key factor, he could wind up in Houston.

You can find the rest of the story from the link.
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Included in the article...

And then, it's on to the team that might need Shelton most -- Houston.
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I really hope that we can pick him up but if we want him too badly I am worried we might over pay him like some people said when we signed Morlon Greenwood. I think at a reasonable amount we should get him, but lets not get ridiculous.
 
I doubt that the bears sign him, I mean thet have Tait and Coloumbo battling it out for LT and I don't think they have the $$ to sign him.
 
TexanFanInCC said:
If he came to houston, there is no way that chester pitts would be our backup. he was arguably our best lineman last yr. he would likely stay at LG while shelton starts at LT. wand is the one who would be on the bench backing up shelton.
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Well, Pitts could also play RG, I'm sure. If Wade was injured, he could play RT as well...

Look, I don't know that Shelton is the answer, but I do know that an OL that includes Wade, Wand, Pitts, Riley, Shelton and Weigert increase the odds that we'll be able to field 2 healthy guards and 2 healthy tackles who will play up to the coaches' expectations.

Quality depth is a wonderful thing!!
 
I don't know that Shelton would be the answer either, but think of it this way guys. If Shelton signs, and considering that he has started at LT for years, and Wand or Pitts starts infront of him, it will probably mean they've gotten better, not that these other guys who have started for teams aren't any good. This is the NFL and these guys don't get their and start for teams for multiple years because they suck. Yes I'm saying that their is a possibility that Wand and Pitts have gotten better, even if they swap positions. Their's also that posibility that Wand could turn out be a better guard than Pitts, just as Pitts would be better at LT than Wand. Bottom line is that if Wand sucked, or had no talent, he would definately have never lined up at LT last year. Bruce Mathews was a way better guard than tackle, although, Bruce Mathews in the same breath as any of these guys may be a sin.
 
TexanFanInCC said:
If he came to houston, there is no way that chester pitts would be our backup. he was arguably our best lineman last yr. he would likely stay at LG while shelton starts at LT. wand is the one who would be on the bench backing up shelton.
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I totally agree. He has gone thru his share of growing pains and is our best lineman without a doubt.
 
Texan Dave said:
Bruce Mathews in the same breath as any of these guys may be a sin.
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Okay as a pennance you must find out who were the starting 5 lineman for the Oilers in 1985.

Really though, getting Shelton does alot more than we think. First off it answers not drafting a LT in the draft. If we draft a LT in this past draft, we probably don't go the route of trying to get this guy. Second, it brings the signing of Riley to an even better status because it spells the end for Spears and it now allows us to have quality depth at RT behind Wade. Third, with Riley moving to RT it will increase the longevity of the Wand expirement giving the kid from the very small school more reps with alot less pressure. Fourth, it gives us a legitimate LT for the first time in franchise history-nuff said there.

Basically our line looks like this:

Shelton Pitts Mckinney Weigert Wade
Wand MBrown Rookie Washington Riley

Oh yeah my fifth point is that if we get this guy and he works out, we probably wont have to draft high for a lineman in future drafts to come. We can get some good guards in the later rounds.
 
Sign him up C.C!!! With Shelton either Wand or Pitts will be a backup and that maybe a good thing for us. If Shelton signs it's likely that Wand will be the backup left tackle and he will provide us with good depth. Shelton is a proven player in this league and I think he'll improve our o-line a lot if we can sign him.
 
TheOgre said:
LT Shelton
LG Pitts
C McKinney
RG Wiegert
RT Wade

I could live with that.
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My only comment is based on what we have seen, and that is, we would love to be able to replace McKinney to. He seems to be the delta or the mouth of the river for the kill the QB guys.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
My only comment is based on what we have seen, and that is, we would love to be able to replace McKinney to. He seems to be the delta or the mouth of the river for the kill the QB guys.
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You got that right.
 
In that case Mckinney could get challenged for his spot in the future or this TC if the rookie proves to be worthy. I think we see a different McKinney this season. This has pretty much been the first time the organization has put someone directly behind him in TC.
 
I agree about McKinney, but I don't see anything being done about it this year. Perhaps in 2006, we will "go for youth" at C.
 
-- Bears to Host Shelton Today --
Tue May 24, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

The Chicago Sun-Times reports the Bears will host veteran free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) today. If the Bears sign him, they could move him to guard and allow him to battle with ORG Terrence Metcalf and ORG Roberto Garza. After the Bears, Shelton will visit with Kansas City, Jacksonville and Houston. The Texans probably offer the only opportunity to start at his position of choice, left tackle. Shelton's work ethic has been questioned at times, but the Bears could have a good read on him. He is represented by the same firm that handles Bears OT John Tait, OG Ruben Brown and OT Qasim Mitchell.
 
If we could have a stable LT it would do wonders for our line. Shelton prefers LT, and hopefully Casserly is smart enough to sign him and not just be bringing him in to make it look like he's trying.
 
BattleRedTexan713 said:
man mckinney is good and with hogden as back up we even better plus man with shelton pitts and wade i have faith but we need to get rid of weigert i dont have much faith in him
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the second you said mckinney is good the rest of your post had no merit, on what planet, of what universe is mckinney good, at anything? no wait he is good at one thing, being a doormat... and weigert is not our problem on the Line, Mckinney and Wand are our current problem... and we havent signed Shelton, so how can you have faith in him
 
the second you said mckinney is good the rest of your post had no merit, on what planet, of what universe is mckinney good, at anything? no wait he is good at one thing, being a doormat... and weigert is not our problem on the Line, Mckinney and Wand are our current problem... and we havent signed Shelton, so how can you have faith in him
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Sacks allowed by our O line last season...


M.Brown - 1.75
S.McKinney - 4.00
C.Pitts - 6.00
T.Wade - 6.00
S.Wand - 12.50
T.Washington- 1.00
Z.Wiegert - 4.50
 
texan279 said:
Sacks allowed by our O line last season...


M.Brown - 1.75
S.McKinney - 4.00
C.Pitts - 6.00
T.Wade - 6.00
S.Wand - 12.50
T.Washington- 1.00
Z.Wiegert - 4.50
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Yes and most will say others got the sacks, but McKinney was the reason why. He was really the responsible party in many cases, but doesn't get them based on what happened.
 
The only person on that list with a considerable number of sacks is Wand, are you saying McKinney was responsible for Wand's 12.5 sacks allowed? I could understand McKinney being responsible for some of the guard's sacks, but the left tackle's sacks?
 
TEXANS84 said:
-- Bears to Host Shelton Today --
Tue May 24, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

The Chicago Sun-Times reports the Bears will host veteran free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) today. If the Bears sign him, they could move him to guard and allow him to battle with ORG Terrence Metcalf and ORG Roberto Garza. After the Bears, Shelton will visit with Kansas City, Jacksonville and Houston. The Texans probably offer the only opportunity to start at his position of choice, left tackle. Shelton's work ethic has been questioned at times, but the Bears could have a good read on him. He is represented by the same firm that handles Bears OT John Tait, OG Ruben Brown and OT Qasim Mitchell.
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I think that is why the Texans might have a better shot at getting him than the other teams. He probably would rather get less money and start than get more money to be a back up because he probably wants to go out there and prove everyone that he is a good player. I read article after article about him, and I just keep hoping more and more that we will make a move because we have the cap space to go out and give him a good offer.
 
texan279 said:
Sacks allowed by our O line last season...


M.Brown - 1.75
S.McKinney - 4.00
C.Pitts - 6.00
T.Wade - 6.00
S.Wand - 12.50
T.Washington- 1.00
Z.Wiegert - 4.50
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Does that add up to 49?. :confused: I know Carr didn't run out of bounds that many times.
 
texan279 said:
The only person on that list with a considerable number of sacks is Wand, are you saying McKinney was responsible for Wand's 12.5 sacks allowed? I could understand McKinney being responsible for some of the guard's sacks, but the left tackle's sacks?
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To an extent. McKinney was one of the reasons that Wand had that many. Wand did get burnt by Freeney in the 2nd game against the Colts. However, at least a few of Wands sacks were due to McKinney getting blown back in to Carr's face forcing him out of the pocket and into the path of the DE that was being blocked by Wand or Wade. McKinney's guy only made the sack 4 times, but in actuality, McKinney was the cause of several other sacks.
 
To an extent. McKinney was one of the reasons that Wand had that many. Wand did get burnt by Freeney in the 2nd game against the Colts. However, at least a few of Wands sacks were due to McKinney getting blown back in to Carr's face forcing him out of the pocket and into the path of the DE that was being blocked by Wand or Wade. McKinney's guy only made the sack 4 times, but in actuality, McKinney was the cause of several other sacks.
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Well if Carr was forced to roll to his left because of McKinney getting plowed over, what does that say about the right side of the line?
 
texan279 said:
Well if Carr was forced to roll to his left because of McKinney getting plowed over, what does that say about the right side of the line?
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If you will notice, I said
...into the path of the DE that was being blocked by Wand or Wade...
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Meaning both sides. But, the majority of the time Carr did go left. It is a natural reaction for a right-handed QB to go to his left, because he is moving away from what he sees coming from the direction he is facing.
 
Why would Carr roll out to the side where the most pressure comes from most of the time? And it is not a natural reaction for a right handed QB to roll to his left. Do you know how hard it is for a right handed QB to throw the ball across his body while rolling to his left?
 
texan279 said:
Why would Carr roll out to the side where the most pressure comes from most of the time? And it is not a natural reaction for a right handed QB to roll to his left. Do you know how hard it is for a right handed QB to throw the ball across his body while rolling to his left?
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Have you played QB? Think about it...if you see pressure coming, isn't your first reaction going to be to go the other way? If pressure comes up the middle and he has room to run to the right he will, but in a normal pocket, the two OT's try to push their guys wide to give the QB a "pocket" to step up into. If the middle holds up, and the OT pushes his guy past the QB the QB has a choice, but if the middle collapses before the RT can push his guy past, the QB's first reaction is to go to the left because he knows right off that he can't get anywhere going right. Even though the QB faces the same problem on the left, he doesn't know it until he turns to start running that way. In so doing, he runs right into the path of the oncoming DE or LB. Hopefully, I was clear enough for you to understand what I am trying to say. If not, I don't know what else I can possibly say to make you understand.
 
Actually I have played QB before, not on the NFL level, but I have played it before. The QB rolls to whichever side there is the less amount of pressure coming from, which is usually the right side. Why do you think the LT is the most important position on the O line? Because the best DE usually plays on the right side of the defensive line, or the left side of the O line. Also, a right handed QB will roll to his right because it is easier to throw while rolling to his right, as long as there is no pressure on the right side.
 
texan279 said:
Actually I have played QB before, not on the NFL level, but I have played it before. The QB rolls to whichever side there is the less amount of pressure coming from, which is usually the right side. Why do you think the LT is the most important position on the O line? Because the best DE usually plays on the right side of the defensive line, or the left side of the O line. Also, a right handed QB will roll to his right because it is easier to throw while rolling to his right, as long as there is no pressure on the right side.
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put it this way...Have you ever played dodge ball? Well, imagine that you are facing a guy with the ball and he is coming after you. Which direction are you going to go? Are you going to go in his direction? Probably not. Your 1st reaction is most likely to be to go in the opposite dirction to get away from him. In getting away from him, you get nailed by a guy coming from your blindside. You were so focused on the guy in FRONT of you that you didn't even notice that the guy on your blindside was about to nail you. That is basically what Carr has to deal with. He sees the guy in his face, so he tries to go the other direction and runs right into the DE coming from the other side. What I was trying to say is that if you are the QB and you have a guy in your face, your natural first reaction is to try and run the other direction. Understand?
 
texan279 said:
I don't think you understand. Most of the time, the most pressure comes from the left side.
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You still don't get what I am saying. Whether pressure comes from the left most of the time or not doesn't matter. It has no bearing on the point I am trying to get across to you. If you SEE someone COMING FROM THE SIDE YOU ARE FACING getting ready to HIT you, where are you going to go? Are you going to go in his direction so he can hit you sooner?

If you see the pressure coming from the right side and you don't see it coming from your left side because you are not facing in that direction, isn't your natural tendency to avoid what you can see?
 
I think center is one of our weak links also..McKinney gets pushed back to much into Carr's face.. it is one thing to get beat by the defensive end for a sack than for wand or Wade to do their job and keep the DE where he needs to be only to have carr get flushed out into the hands of the DE..

I guess that counts as a coverage sack..too bad Carr only has about 2-3 seconds to throw.

funny thing about the stats.. look at DD stats on runs up the middle.. not a bad average.. too bad lot of his yards are because of draw plays on 3rd and long..
Jags game should tell you we need help on interior of line..we tried 4 times to punch it in from the one.. and it had to be done by Carrs leap.. and he barely got that.. don't get me wrong,Jags have some monsters in the middle,but it is bad when we barely get a yard after multiple tries.
 
texan279 said:
I don't think you understand. Most of the time, the most pressure comes from the left side.
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Go back and watch tapes of the Texans games. Most of Carr's pressure comes from the middle. He can't step up into the pocket because it has collapsed. Once Carr has to leave the pocket then all blocking angles get messed up. Even though Carr mainly goes to the right, Wand's man gets a disproportionate share of the sacks because usually the right defensive end is the best pass rusher and is the guy who is able to finish the job.

An all too common occurance would be for Carr to drop back, see pressure up the middle, roll to his right and then get run down from behind by the right defensive end. Even though it was Wand's man who gets credit for the sack, it was the defensive tackle or linebacker coming through the middle who caused the sack.
 
wags said:
Does that add up to 49?. :confused: I know Carr didn't run out of bounds that many times.
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Remember, Miller/Bruener/Norris/and Davis are responsible for sacks as well. That is where the figure seperates.
 
Bears | Shelton has Good Visit - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 24 May 2005 20:59:35 -0700

Terry Bannon, of the Chicago Tribune, reports free agent OT L.J. Shelton (Cardinals) had a good visit with the Chicago Bears Tuesday, May 24, according to agent Vance Larimer. "He had a good visit with the Bears, and he has a high interest level," Larimer said. "Right now we're evaluating opportunities." The Bears see Shelton, a former starting left tackle with the Arizona Cardinals, as a potential starter at right guard and a backup tackle. Unless he can't land a starting job somewhere else, it is doubtful Shelton would sign with the Bears.
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Umm, is it me or is that two totally different reactions?
 
TEXANS84 said:
Umm, is it me or is that two totally different reactions?
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I think that when he said "he has a high interest level", he was refering to the fact that alot of teams are interested in him. I could be wrong, because the way it is worded does seem the other way around.
 
I guess it was a good visit for a team he isn't really considering? If this is the scenario, then I think there's a very good chance he signs with Houston.

The agent is just trying to stir up the contract negotiations a little higher.
 
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