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Sharper Released

I think the release of Sharper was a huge mistake and we will miss him during the season. He may not have trade value but he worked his *** off for the team. My opinion is that its a huge loss.
 
Meh, he's replacable...Simply put, he didn't fit into our future plans...A guy like Crowder, Ruud, Thurman, DJ, Kevin Burnett, or Thomas Davis would easily take up the slack left by Sharper's release and cost less too...
 
Yeah, you're right. He was one of my fav. Texans. So I have a tendincey to take his relase to heart. I'm sure the Texans will make do.
 
D-ReK said:
Meh, he's replacable...Simply put, he didn't fit into our future plans...A guy like Crowder, Ruud, Thurman, DJ, Kevin Burnett, or Thomas Davis would easily take up the slack left by Sharper's release and cost less too...
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u can say that but only time will tell. and until i see that his production has been equally or better replaced i will keep saying that letting him go was a mistake.
 
What did he do that was so productive? He got a bunch of tackles in a system where the ILBs get most of the tackles, saw his sack totals decline over his 3 years here, and never got an INT...The only impressive thing he did here last year was force 3 fumbles...Jamie was a likable guy and all, but I think too many people are looking through steel blue glasses and giving him credit for being better than he was...I wish him the best, but we'll be fine without him...
 
D-ReK said:
What did he do that was so productive? He got a bunch of tackles in a system where the ILBs get most of the tackles, saw his sack totals decline over his 3 years here, and never got an INT...The only impressive thing he did here last year was force 3 fumbles...Jamie was a likable guy and all, but I think too many people are looking through steel blue glasses and giving him credit for being better than he was...I wish him the best, but we'll be fine without him...
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i'm just saying that i am a little worried about losing him UNTIL i see whoever replaces him (greenwood) gets the job done as good/better than sharper did. And he had very comparible numbers to the other 3-4 teams LBs !
 
TexansTrueFan said:
i'm just saying that i am a little worried about losing him UNTIL i see whoever replaces him (greenwood) gets the job done as good/better than sharper did. And he had very comparible numbers to the other 3-4 teams LBs !
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Greenwood is replacing Foreman at the buc LB position, and there is no doubt in my mind that he'll be better than Jay was...Currently, we have nobody on the roster that I would feel comfortable replacing Sharper, but it's a given we'll get someone in the draft...As far as comparing him to other LBs, whose numbers were his comparable to? I did a quick look at stats, and the player closest to Sharper's production last year was Randall Godfrey of the Chargers who is past his prime (keep in mind Sharper does have more tackles, but our system filters most of the tackles to the ILBs)...
 
D-ReK said:
Greenwood is replacing Foreman at the buc LB position, and there is no doubt in my mind that he'll be better than Jay was...Currently, we have nobody on the roster that I would feel comfortable replacing Sharper, but it's a given we'll get someone in the draft...As far as comparing him to other LBs, whose numbers were his comparable to? I did a quick look at stats, and the player closest to Sharper's production last year was Randall Godfrey of the Chargers who is past his prime (keep in mind Sharper does have more tackles, but our system filters most of the tackles to the ILBs)...
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i think Wong will move back in to ILB, that would leave us with

ILB Wong-Greenwood

OLB Babin-Peek

and i feel that cast of players would be fine, i think peek can become an every down player.
 
I finally came to the conclusion (in some other thread) that Greenwood will play Sharper's Mac spot. Capers was quoted somewhere as to Greenwood being the ideal player for this position. I think the camp right after the draft will give us our first real glimpse though.
 
I'm kinda iffy on having Wong take over for Sharper...When he played at ILB last preseason (can't remember if he was playing mac or buc) he looked lost out there...He has the coverage ability and rushing ability, but I'm still unsure of him versus the run...I think Wong will probably not get resigned after next season, though, and we should draft an ILB and have him waiting in the wings if Wong isn't brought back...
 
he always seemed like a sure tackler versus the run to me,never thought that was much of a weakness. and wong is very good in coverage.
 
Vinny said:
I finally came to the conclusion (in some other thread) that Greenwood will play Sharper's Mac spot. Capers was quoted somewhere as to Greenwood being the ideal player for this position. I think the camp right after the draft will give us our first real glimpse though.
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:shocked I thought for sure Greenwood would play the Buc...His strengths seem to suit that position better, but who knows...That's what camp is for...
 
One thing is for sure, alot of our players wont be taking their jobs lightly now that they saw a potential all pro get cut.
 
-- Sharper Visits Bengals --
Thu Apr 7, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

The Cincinnati Bengals official website reports the agent for former Texans LB Jamie Sharper confirmed on Wednesday night his client's visit to Cincinnati. Tony Agnone, who has yet to delve into deep negotiations with the Bengals, said Sharper also plans to meet with club officials Thursday at Paul Brown Stadium before joining Agnone in Seattle for a visit with the Seahawks. He's also talking to Jacksonville, Baltimore, and "he has other options," Agnone said.



I wonder what those "other options" are.
 
if hes goes to Jacksonville.. we need to make sure we draft a Cedric Benson or Eric Shelton type of RB. Someone we can put in there to run his butt over.
 
Actually, Jacksonville has the most cap room available out of all of the teams who are interested in Jamie, like a little over $11 million, so if he signs with the team who offers him the most money, it could very likely be Jacksonville if they want him bad enough and are willing to show him the money. I was over at the Seahawks MB a few minutes ago and someone over there sai there are only like $1 mil under the cap right now...
 
SassyTexan said:
Won't be the Texans if that is what you are thinking. No way.
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No, I was thinking more of the lines of the Pats, which would still be a complete longshot.
 
No, I was thinking more of the lines of the Pats, which would still be a complete longshot.
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Not if Bruschi doesn't return for the '05 season. And not if Jamie is more concerned with a shot at winning it all and not money...
 
FILO_girl said:
MAD, frustrated, disappointed, pissed, ashamed, let down. And really ticked off.

Not much more to say. Thanks Jamie for your hard work, I APPRECIATED YOU!!!
:thumbdown to the front office. I am not happy with y'all at this point, whatsoever. :thumbdown

I will stop here, I am soooooooo ticked off.
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awwwww booo hooo cry me a river!!!!!!!!! he asked to be traded and nobody was willing to do it. He was due 6.3 million and he got released, so dont blame your frustrations on the front office blame it on yourself!!!
 
TexansFanInPA said:
I think the release of Sharper was a huge mistake and we will miss him during the season. He may not have trade value but he worked his *** off for the team. My opinion is that its a huge loss.
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He wanted to be traded and no one was willing to..............the front office done what had to be done end of story
 
Hit Em Up said:
He wanted to be traded and no one was willing to..............the front office done what had to be done end of story
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keep it going Hit Em Up let em know how it belong :woot . People round here actin like they just broke up with a loved one. I liked the guy too and the hard work he put in, but hey its also a business and you gotta expect things to come like this. I just hope we get some real good production out of the replacements we have and will require.
 
Hit Em Up said:
awwwww booo hooo cry me a river!!!!!!!!! he asked to be traded and nobody was willing to do it. He was due 6.3 million and he got released, so dont blame your frustrations on the front office blame it on yourself!!!
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actually he didnt ask to be traded, we told him we'd give him a chance to seek out trades before we released him. Get ur facts straight !
 
well sorry im not a Texans fan but i know that the front office wasnt to blame. his cap figure was too high and he was released, thats just the nature of the beast (hey that rhymes!)
 
well i dont see how the front office is not to blame, they didnt wanna pay him the money he deserved to get so they gave him an option, seek a trade or be released. I dont see how that doesnt involve the front office,,,,so i think they are to fully blame. But with saying that i do think his production was on a decline and it'll be good to get some young blood at the LB position IMO !
 
TexansTrueFan said:
well i dont see how the front office is not to blame, they didnt wanna pay him the money he deserved to get so they gave him an option, seek a trade or be released.
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While I think Sharper is a very good LB and was great for the Texans the 1st two years, he did not deserve to be paid like Ray Lewis. Something for folks to remember in this, the Texans didn't negotiate this contract with Sharper--this was a contract taken over in the expansion draft. The reports from both sides were the Texans and Sharper wanted to work out an extension so both sides (a) wanted to stay together (b) thought Sharper was still productive and (c) fit the system fine--they obviously disagreed on the amount and/or length of the contract. We will never know whether Sharper was demanding fair market value and the Texans weren't paying it or the Texans were offering fmv and Sharper wouldn't take it. IMO the only question in the deal is whether it was smart to release him now or say goodbye after this season.
 
Personally, I think we should have kept him here and let him play out his contract, but maybe the organization wants to just get on with the future and see what we have here after the draft...None of us truely know what the FO was thinking with this move, but I'm anxious to see the result...
 
infantrycak said:
While I think Sharper is a very good LB and was great for the Texans the 1st two years, he did not deserve to be paid like Ray Lewis.
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Ray Lewis signed a seven-year, $50-million contract with a $19-million bonus, how does that fall in line with Sharpers?


infantrycak said:
they obviously disagreed on the amount and/or length of the contract. We will never know whether Sharper was demanding fair market value and the Texans weren't paying it or the Texans were offering fmv and Sharper wouldn't take it.
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And yet we give the huge salaries to Walker (coming straight off and injury) Glenn (2 years older than Sharper) but shun Sharper for playing in almost every game and being a staple for the defense. And speaking of his decline last year, why is he getting no slack for his knee injury?

infantrycak said:
IMO the only question in the deal is whether it was smart to release him now or say goodbye after this season.
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My thinking is that the Texans are planning for something big, no way you "upgrade" your defense by signing Greenwood and Moreno.....stay tuned.
 
infantrycak said:
While I think Sharper is a very good LB and was great for the Texans the 1st two years, he did not deserve to be paid like Ray Lewis. Something for folks to remember in this, the Texans didn't negotiate this contract with Sharper--this was a contract taken over in the expansion draft. The reports from both sides were the Texans and Sharper wanted to work out an extension so both sides (a) wanted to stay together (b) thought Sharper was still productive and (c) fit the system fine--they obviously disagreed on the amount and/or length of the contract. We will never know whether Sharper was demanding fair market value and the Texans weren't paying it or the Texans were offering fmv and Sharper wouldn't take it. IMO the only question in the deal is whether it was smart to release him now or say goodbye after this season.
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Oh i agree,,,,, it seemed to me his production was declining. And while he was one of my fav players, he wasnt part of the texans youthful team we are building.
 
SESupergenius said:
Ray Lewis signed a seven-year, $50-million contract with a $19-million bonus, how does that fall in line with Sharpers?
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I was talking about their compensation for the 2005 season under each of their contracts--but you knew that when you asked the question.

And yet we give the huge salaries to Walker (coming straight off and injury) Glenn (2 years older than Sharper) but shun Sharper for playing in almost every game and being a staple for the defense. And speaking of his decline last year, why is he getting no slack for his knee injury?
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And Walker's contract may prove to be an incredibly bad decision if he doesn't up his play--does having made one potentially bad decision mean they are committed to pay anything any vet wants?--of course not. As for the injury, it was my understanding it was very minor and my impression prior to the injury that his play had fallen off. Don't get me wrong on fallen off comments--doesn't mean I think he sucked, is over the hill, won't be productive, etc. But it does need to be taken into consideration in contract negotiations, just like a pro-bowl year would have been to his benefit.

My thinking is that the Texans are planning for something big, no way you "upgrade" your defense by signing Greenwood and Moreno.....stay tuned.
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That was my first reaction as well. Thing is the only high dollar guys out there right now are Alexander and Edgerrin James and moving on either of those guys would surprise me and John Abraham who has some injury/attitude issues that also concern me.
 
I am sure the next MLB will come in a do what Jamie Sharper did for us before. Lead the team in tackles. To be quite honest, Jamie Sharper was never the MLB that the opponent had to game plan for. Right now without him, we still really don't have that guy. Dunta is about as close to one as any of the players we have on defense and jury is still out to see how he does in his sophmore season.

I agree Jamie Sharper was a good player, I agree to some extent he will be missed teamwise and fanwise. However, I do feel his production can and will be replaced. It has to. We don't have a choice now.
 
The Seahawks are putting a big move on Sharper according to this article out of the local Seattle News Paper.
"The recruiting menu was upgraded to champagne and caviar yesterday, when president of football operations Tim Ruskell and linebackers coach John Marshall piled into a limousine at 5 p.m. for a dinner rendezvous with free-agent linebacker Jamie Sharper."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/219353_hawk08.html
 
infantrycak said:
I was talking about their compensation for the 2005 season under each of their contracts--but you knew that when you asked the question.
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no reason to just compare 1 season when contracts are tiered, you can't compare someones contract in a specific year when contracts are so backloaded. If you want to compare apples to apples then compare Sharpers last year of his contract to Lewis' last year figure of his contract. Good Luck.


infantrycak said:
And Walker's contract may prove to be an incredibly bad decision if he doesn't up his play--does having made one potentially bad decision mean they are committed to pay anything any vet wants?--of course not. As for the injury, it was my understanding it was very minor and my impression prior to the injury that his play had fallen off. Don't get me wrong on fallen off comments--doesn't mean I think he sucked, is over the hill, won't be productive, etc. But it does need to be taken into consideration in contract negotiations, just like a pro-bowl year would have been to his benefit.
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That's only a theory in your part because Walker could equally be worth the contract this coming year. He's going to be healthy for the first time in a long time going into camp so other than having a down year last year you can only speculate, but I believe he will do better. I'm curious, when do you think Sharper's play actually started to "fall off"? What point was the decline?


infantrycak said:
That was my first reaction as well. Thing is the only high dollar guys out there right now are Alexander and Edgerrin James and moving on either of those guys would surprise me and John Abraham who has some injury/attitude issues that also concern me.
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Not to sure if the signing has to be a high dollar FA. I don't know where they are going with this, but they sure are making it seem that they are clearing for something. Foreman and Sharper cleared some good space. I'd hate for them not to use it.
June 1 cuts or Draft Day always create intrigue.
 
TexansTrueFan said:
well i dont see how the front office is not to blame, they didnt wanna pay him the money he deserved to get...
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deserve really has nothing to do with it... performance < contract value...
he wasn't playing up to the level of his pay... nothing personal to Jamie...
if he had a small contract and performed at a level higher than his pay, he'd be asking to renegotiate in a second. He probably believes his value is higher that it actually is right now. He will most likely end up signing for less than he would have made under the last year of his Texans contract IMO, but again with a multi year, backloaded contract.
 
We should have an over/under contest on this issue: When Sharper signs will it be for over or under the contract of Kendrell Bell? Tie-breaker--closest prediction on the actual contract signing bonus, total value and length.
 
michaelm said:
deserve really has nothing to do with it... performance < contract value...
he wasn't playing up to the level of his pay... nothing personal to Jamie...
if he had a small contract and performed at a level higher than his pay, he'd be asking to renegotiate in a second. He probably believes his value is higher that it actually is right now. He will most likely end up signing for less than he would have made under the last year of his Texans contract IMO, but again with a multi year, backloaded contract.
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exactly why do you think nobody wanted a trade for him, and teams just waited till we released him, which we said we were gonna do.
 
the timing on this thing is real wierd, IMHO. So you gotta keep coming back to the same question, why now and not later? Looking at it from a 'glass half full' perspective, could it be that Casserly and Capers cut Sharper BEFORE the draft and during the FA period as a sign of respect to Sharper. This allows him to get into the FA market at the prime time and if another team does sign him, which we all pretty much agree is GOING to happen, then it gives the new team a chance to re-evaluate an upcoming draft pick to fill a LB position need.

I can't think of any other reason for the timing. We all knew Sharper was going to be cut or his contract re-negotiated, perhaps they had a meeting with Sharper and told him they were cutting him this early to allow him to get picked up by another team and be in a prime negotiation position for his next contract.

Just a thought and if it is anywhere near the truth I think it shows some true class, a 'no hard feelings', AND a 'how can I help you for your hard work for us' attitude for Sharper by the Texans organization. :thumbup
 
>It's not an April Fool's joke.

>Read it and weep.

The Texans will never say it, but they will regret this mistake.
 
>well our D was #1 in the league of giving up 3rd downs. On the 3-4, that has to fall >on the LB's shoulders.

That failure is a total defensive team breakdown. It is impossible to lay the blame on one group of guys. I don't see how you can blame a guy who led the team in tackles -- which is significant in that it shows a cornerback or safety didn't have that distinction. If so, it would show that the opposition was penetrating into the last line of defense. Sharper prevented that.
 
>he wasn't playing up to the level of his pay... nothing personal to Jamie...

:shocked I disagree. Sharper made 98 solo tackles and is now the biggest free agent draft catch out there. That guy from the Dolphins that they signed got a big contract as well and he'll have to go aways to reach Sharper's performance level. Yes, Sharper was getting a lot of money but he deserved it. Defensive performers who produced like Sharper don't grow on trees. The Texans will regret this move. :thumbdown
 
Bengals | Still in Race to Land Sharper - from www.KFFL.com
Sat, 9 Apr 2005 00:51:04 -0700

Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports free agent LB Jamie Sharper's (Texans) agent, Tony Agnone, said the Cincinnati Bengals are still in the derby to sign Sharper. He said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis gave an impressive presentation to Sharper during his recent visit with the team.
 
thegr8fan said:
Just a thought and if it is anywhere near the truth I think it shows some true class, a 'no hard feelings', AND a 'how can I help you for your hard work for us' attitude for Sharper by the Texans organization. :thumbup
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I disagree with that take because this is a business. One the one hand we let him go AND THEN we are nice to him???
:confused:
We still had plenty of time to at least get something for him. I think that is just poor management of the situation and would have rather him tried to either work out something with another team for a longer period than a couple of weeks or at least try to work with Sharper to sign another deal. But like I said, I think he was just put in the doghouse and let go because of that, not the salary.
 
Interesting it's coming from Seattle....
NFL | Sharper Decision Coming Soon? - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:20:59 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, Clare Farnsworth, of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, reports free agent LB Jamie Sharper (Texans) may choose his new team as early as Monday, April 11.
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It'll be more interesting what the contract ends up being.
 
He is going to take less than he wanted I bet. If teams were hot on him at his price he would have been singned by now most likely since there are so many teams looking at him.
 
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