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Shane Ray cited

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Mollywhopper said:
It's a risk that he took, sure, but I don't think it's as egregious as showing up to a known piss test hot.
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It's not good. At least Gregory has had a couple of months to explain himself and beg forgiveness. This is fresh on teams minds when thinking about Ray. Combine that with his foot issue and it's bound to hurt him on Thursday. I still like Ray better as a player. But I think he brings too many red flags to draft him at #16.
 
Let me be clear about this: I have no objection if a guy wants to puff on a little weed. I do object to my players doing something that's going to get them suspended for 4 games. And I wouldn't want somebody stupid and undisciplined enough to get caught such a short time before the draft.
 
This is the first time Ray has been caught in anything weed-related, eh? Of the two I still prefer Gregory, but a major knock against him is that he's already in stage one of the NFL drug program.
 
Lucky said:
It's not good. At least Gregory has had a couple of months to explain himself and beg forgiveness. This is fresh on teams minds when thinking about Ray. Combine that with his foot issue and it's bound to hurt him on Thursday. I still like Ray better as a player. But I think he brings too many red flags to draft him at #16.
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Time away from the incident doesn't change the blatant disregard for the situation with Gregory. But he'll get his second chance, which is only fair. This thing with Ray though could happen to any number of the likely high percentage of players who smoke pot. Now he'll have to own up to perhaps a year of probation. I agree it's not good. I just don't see it as a recidivist type concern. Could be wrong though, but he seems pretty together in interviews and whatnot. I still rate him as a playmaker that could make a difference for our ballclub and a potential #16.
 
lol, heck yeah!!! I didn't want him on the Texans and KNEW he was going to be a Texan.

Those making light of this, watch what happens Thursday. You got 3 days not to be an idiot and you decided to be one anyway. You are going to drop on several boards I bet. If it's illegal, you got a crew, you're about to make millions, you send your crew out to bring it to you.

So happy right now. See ya Shane. Won't be shocked when he's a Cowboy or Patriot. Stoked!!!
 
If he's there in the 3rd or 4th, I say draft him. We throw away our mid round picks, anyway, maybe this one will pan out Justin Houston style. :troll:
 
Mollywhopper said:
Time away from the incident doesn't change the blatant disregard for the situation with Gregory. But he'll get his second chance, which is only fair. This thing with Ray though could happen to any number of the likely high percentage of players who smoke pot. Now he'll have to own up to perhaps a year of probation. I agree it's not good. I just don't see it as a recidivist type concern. Could be wrong though, but he seems pretty together in interviews and whatnot. I still rate him as a playmaker that could make a difference for our ballclub and a potential #16.
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Same to you, Buddy. lol. When you get a bunch of former illegal substance users on your team you always have to worry about recidivism. Right?
 
JB said:
I don't care that he smoked pot, I care that he got caught


Don't want him at #16 anywho
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I agree he should have thought better of driving around with weed on him. It was clearly unwise. The judgment that's left is whether or not you think he's a candidate to repeat the offense. In listening to the kid speak he doesn't present as a malcontent, anti-authority, or entitled. I lean towards thinking he'll fly right while on probation and from now hook someone up to take care of the runaround.
 
Seegara said:
Let me be clear about this: I have no objection if a guy wants to puff on a little weed. I do object to my players doing something that's going to get them suspended for 4 games. And I wouldn't want somebody stupid and undisciplined enough to get caught such a short time before the draft.
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This is exactly my sentiment. Check out how he was caught....

Ray, 21, who broke the Tigers’ single-season sack record with 14 1/2 sacks last fall as a junior and was chosen as the SEC defensive player of the year, also was cited “for failing to drive in the right lane of the highway with two or more lanes,” according to the Missouri State Highway Patrol online arrest report.

Ray was clocked by a Missouri Highway Patrol trooper driving faster than the speed limit heading west on Interstate 70 at 5:46 a.m. near mile marker 109.

“Upon contact with Mr. Ray, our trooper smelled the odor of marijuana and a search was conducted and he was found in possession of marijuana,” said Corporal Scott White, the public information officer for Missouri Highway Patrol Troop F.

During the search, a small amount was found in a compartment in the car.

White didn’t know how fast Ray was driving nor a measurement of the amount of marijuana other than it was fewer than 35 grams. There was no paraphernalia found, and Ray, who was along in the car, was released on summons, so he was not booked in county jail at any point.

“He was given a warning for the speed violation, a citation for failure to drive in the right lane and a citation for the marijuana,” White said. “He was assigned a Cooper County court date on June 30.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/article19768899.html#storylink=cpy
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Dude was speeding with pot in the car. Had he not been speeding it's quite likely he wouldn't have been stopped. Says a lot about his judgement.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I agree he should have thought better of driving around with weed on him. It was clearly unwise. The judgment that's left is whether or not you think he's a candidate to repeat the offense. In listening to the kid speak he doesn't present as a malcontent, anti-authority, or entitled. I lean towards thinking he'll fly right while on probation and from now hook someone up to take care of the runaround.
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You are giving this guy wayyy too much credit. I totally respect your opinion and you drop some good knowledge, and in my opinion a dummy is a dummy is a dummy.

Someone tells you that you got 3 days to not screw up and you basically hit the lottery, then you get pulled over and found with an illegal substance anyways, that tells me two things.

1. You love the stuff a LOT, you ARE a repeat user, you couldn't put it down for 3 more days. Nobody that can easily stay away is getting caught with it by themselves 3 days from the draft.

2. You are a dummy

It sounds like I'm crucifying a guy committing petty crimes, but the way I see it, I'm killing a guy that couldn't stay above the law on his way down the yellow brick road to a payday the majority of the human race will never see in their lives. And I'm also killing a dummy.

ObsiWan said:
This is exactly my sentiment. Check out how he was caught....



Dude was speeding with pot in the car. Had he not been speeding it's quite likely he wouldn't have been stopped. Says a lot about his judgement.
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This also tells me that he clearly could have been arrested for a DUI, but this officer was VERY lenient and good to him. Pulled over for speeding and driving in the wrong lane, car smells of pot, pot is found... for the average by the book police officer that is basically an automatic DUI.

That's crazy he got ticketed for failing to drive in the right lane. Hopefully this news goes National and people start to learn to get the hell out of the left unless you're passing.
 
Good news is the cop apparently didn't feel he was under the influence at 5:46AM, so maybe he was driving... with some kind of lane violation that I don't understand... to an early workout?

Former GM Mark Dominik saying he thinks Ray is pushed into 2nd or 3rd round now. This added to many teams not at all comfortable with his turf toe injury.

I think the toe impacts his draft status much more than possession of less than an ounce of weed.

Does recency bias put Gregory ahead of Ray, now? Absent the turf toe, would be interesting to see.
 
Damn. I was hoping some sucker would take him before #16 and push someone else down to us. Might not happen now.

I don't care about this too much. What does bother me is that his weaknesses project terribly to the NFL, and he's also got the toe injury that could impact his only strength.

His red flags are on the field, not off. Still a bonehead move though.
 
As Shane Ray’s stock plummets, talk that he could fall to Round 4; LINK

Ray’s draft stock began to fall when teams showed increasing concern about a foot injury he suffered in the final game of his college career, and now his stock has plummeted so severely that there’s talk that Ray not only won’t go in the first round, but might not even go in the second or third rounds. According to former Buccaneers General Manager Mark Dominik, Ray’s recent marijuana citation makes it possible that Ray won’t be drafted until the fourth round.
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At those prices and for that offense, I'd take a flier on him. We've done worse recently in those rounds.
 
TexansFTW said:
You are giving this guy wayyy too much credit.
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I would say I'm giving the kid completely even credit. He goofed up, now he'll have to own up to it for a while. I know the Josh Gordon's and Justin Blackmon's have everyone thinking that anyone who gets a pot charge is all of a sudden a candidate for Intervention, but that's just patently untrue. By all accounts he's a great kid, he's come from a tough environment with no track record of disobedience, and he now got a swift kick in the ass. I seriously doubt he's quivering in a corner right now from marijuana DT's wondering how he'll make it through. Saying he can handle this, of all the things he's handled in his life, is actually on the low end of his credit, and just like the thousands upon thousands of people that navigate probationary sentences from misdemeanor citations all the time without going off the deep end, I simply think he'll be just fine. Not every case is absolutely worst case.
 
Playoffs said:
Round 4 now? Not for a bag of weed. Maybe for the turf toe.
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The way Goodell is handing out the death penalty for players smoking ( ala Gordon) I can believe that teams are getting more leery of pot smokers... especially dumb ones
 
Seegara said:
Let me be clear about this: I have no objection if a guy wants to puff on a little weed. I do object to my players doing something that's going to get them suspended for 4 games. And I wouldn't want somebody stupid and undisciplined enough to get caught such a short time before the draft.
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Yep. I don't care about someone doing it and think it should be made legal but even if it does become so it's not like the NFL is going to suddenly change their position. They'll still say "It might be legal but we do not allow it". What this does though is prove that Ray is stupid and I'm not sure I want a player who is stupid enough to cost himself money like this on my team. Will he learn to put his personal pleasure on the back burner while he makes his money? Maybe. Maybe not. Either way I don't want to waste a pick on the next guy to smoke himself (and the draft pick I wasted on him) out of the league.
 
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JB said:
The way Goodell is handing out the death penalty for players smoking ( ala Gordon) I can believe that teams are getting more leery of pot smokers... especially dumb ones
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Except the league's new substance abuse policy, which takes four positive tests to net a players first suspension.

Gordon disregarding consequences multiple times is far from exhibits A-Z in these cases.
 
I'm sad that Dupree hasn't been caught with the ganja yet; not only would that mean he likely falls to us and would be a day 1 starter at SAM OLB, but we could make endless jokes about his nickname.
 
If you're comfortable with player in your building... If he's not worth a 1 he's not worth a 7. There's a risk / reward, too. Rick on character
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Specifically said on Ray that the recent incident is not likely to change what you already know about the prospect, have a big impact on where(if) you draft him.
 
Hervoyel said:
Yep. I don't care about someone doing it and think it should be made legal but even if it does become so it's not like the NFL is going to suddenly change their position. They'll still say "It might be legal but we do not allow it". What this does though is prove that Ray is stupid and I'm not sure I want a player who is stupid enough to cost himself money like this on my team. Will he learn to put his personal pleasure on the back burner while he makes his money? Maybe. Maybe not. Either way I don't want to waste a pick on the next guy to smoke himself (and the draft pick I wasted on him) out of the league.
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Maybe the NFL will change their policy, who knows. But dude was in the wrong lane at 3 in the morning because he was stoned (presumably). They're not going to change their stance on being stupid.

As it is now, he's on the list. They'll watch him like a hawk & the smallest infraction is going to limit his availability & he'll probably be the next Josh Gordon.

The deck is stacked against him now. I'd love for us to get him in the third or better yet the fourth & he puts in the work to prove everybody wrong & become the next LT. But what are the odds?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Except the league's new substance abuse policy, which takes four positive tests to net a players first suspension.

Gordon disregarding consequences multiple times is far from exhibits A-Z in these cases.
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meh, stupid is stupid

It's not like Ray/Gregory didn't know that it was against the rules and the law
 
JB said:
meh, stupid is stupid

It's not like Ray/Gregory didn't know that it was against the rules and the law
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Or how it would affect there draft profile & the scrutiny they'll be under from here on out.
 
Shane Ray: "This was a one-time mistake. I don't want it to overshadow all the good decisions I have made."

Shane Ray on what Goodell told him: "Let's just move past this and move on."

Shane Ray said teams later in the first round have been more in contact with him lately
 
Playoffs said:
Shane Ray: "This was a one-time mistake. I don't want it to overshadow all the good decisions I have made."

Shane Ray on what Goodell told him: "Let's just move past this and move on."

Shane Ray said teams later in the first round have been more in contact with him lately
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He was setup! The bottom teams had to make sure he dropped.
 
So, are we still taking this guy?

If he's there at 16 I sure hope the Texans consider it.
 
santo said:
So, are we still taking this guy?

If he's there at 16 I sure hope the Texans consider it.
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Depends on how the Texans felt he did in the interviews. Can they trust him. Is this really a one time thing. Does he respect authority.

All the questions that can only be answered by talking to him and researching his past. The Texans have done both of those things if he is on their radar for #16.
 
santo said:
So, are we still taking this guy?

If he's there at 16 I sure hope the Texans consider it.
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I think there is a lot of concern about his foot

In any case, I don't want him at 16 at all
 
JB said:
I think there is a lot of concern about his foot

In any case, I don't want him at 16 at all
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I just saw that he did have turf toe. Still interesting to see who the Texans will take.
 
santo said:
So, are we still taking this guy?

If he's there at 16 I sure hope the Texans consider it.
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You mean maybe at the 16th pick of the 3rd round ?
If the Texans were to draft Ray or Gregory in the first round, somebody would have to revive me with smelling salts.
 
Any dumbass who can't call his agent and arrange a car to drive him around or just not have weed on his possession at all, THREE DAYS BEFORE THE DRAFT, is not worth the risk in the first two rounds imo.
 
Ryan said:
Any dumbass who can't call his agent and arrange a car to drive him around or just not have weed on his possession at all, THREE DAYS BEFORE THE DRAFT, is not worth the risk in the first two rounds imo.
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Everyone knows that you keep a buddy around who will claim the weed is his. You learn that in Dope Smoking 101.
 
Blake said:
Maybe what you and some others might think, but that is not how NFL personnel feel.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...d-for-allegedly-operating-car-under-influence

Bradley Roby still went in the first round.
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From your link

"This past weekend my client Bradley Roby was issued a citation in Columbus, Ohio for operating a vehicle while impaired (OVI)," Perrett is quoted as saying in the statement. "Bradley was sitting in his parked car in a parking lot when he was approached and questioned by an officer. He was fully cooperative and willingly submitted to field sobriety and breathalyzer tests. His BAC test registered a negligible .008 and after further testing at the police station, he was very quickly released on his own recognizance. There are no other charges, and we are confident that this matter will be resolved quickly and favorably for Bradley. However, as the matter is still pending, we cannot comment further at this time."
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I don't think his case equates to drug possession at all, and in any case, the NFL had a real ugly year since then and things have changed on the thinking of many, imho
 
Blake said:
Maybe what you and some others might think, but that is not how NFL personnel feel.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...d-for-allegedly-operating-car-under-influence

Bradley Roby still went in the first round.
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Wait a minute. You mean to tell me a kid got into some legal trouble leading directly up to his draft day, still went in the first, went on to contribute to his team's success, and didn't turn into the next Josh Gordon, Rae Curruth, or Lawrence Phillips? Say it ain't so, that is absolute crazy talk ...
 
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