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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

maverick512000 said:
Actually it kind of is, its only been what a week or two since whatsherface made the ruling. For anything involving lawyers to be done inside of a month is lighting.
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The original decision took less than how long this appeal is taking. And there was no new evidence, no hearings, not a whole lot to review. He has her ruling, which is not in question, the only thing he has to decide is whether to amend the punishment. I know there is no specific timeline other than it needs to be expedited, but given the previous, original ruling timeline, this is not "expedited"
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
An unexpected >1 year suspension?
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Expedited, not "expected". That's the word I used. It refers to the timeline that the appeal should take, according to the CBA. See my message above your answer. IMO, it's taking too long and raises question as to why. That's why talking heads are speculating about the possible settlement. I have no idea if they're talking or not, but I haven't heard any other plausible theory on why we haven't heard from the appeals officer yet.

Edit. NM, I misunderstood your use of the word "unexpected". Get it now. Maybe. Who knows.
 
Watson Team: We're okay with a one year suspension, but we have an issue with the indefinite suspension.

NFL: Okay, we can drop indefinite from the suspension, but you'll have to pay a $100 million fine in addition to a one year suspension. Or, you can accept the indefinite suspension & take your chances getting reinstated. Either way, we win, you lose.

Watson Team: But, but, but, that's not fair.

NFL: :corrosion:
 
Hottoddie said:
Watson Team: We're okay with a one year suspension, but we have an issue with the indefinite suspension.

NFL: Okay, we can drop indefinite from the suspension, but you'll have to pay a $100 million fine in addition to a one year suspension. Or, you can accept the indefinite suspension & take your chances getting reinstated. Either way, we win, you lose.

Watson Team: But, but, but, that's not fair.

NFL: :corrosion:
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My guess is that the "indefinite" part is non-negotiable for the NFL. They probably want to attach conditions to his return that he will definitely not like.
 
paycheck71 said:
It's probably also true that the "indefinite" part is non-negotiable for DW. Maybe that's why it's taking so long.
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Interesting because DW’s incursions into his selfish desires that compromised his team and the NFL were indefinite in scope and seemed non-negotiable with his victims.
 
Here’s the thing it’s hard to say for sure what the NFL will do but there are several things working against Watson.

The conclusions drawn by the third party judge that not only did Watson do what the NFL accused him of but that he showed no remorse.

The dictating of what punishment he and his team is willing to accept.

The optics of not caring about women who now make up almost half of their fan base.

The fact that, his fault or not, he is not currently a winning QB with a HoF career or possible HoF career like a Mahomes or Brady.

He is now playing in a market that is very small and in fact lost their team until the city sued the NFL and it was ruled they had return a team to Cleveland.

The owners absolutely hate his contract and would love to punish the Browns and send a warning to anyone in the future that might kill the golden goose for the rest of the league.

Again I’m not saying that the NFL will drop the hammer on him, I’ve stopped trying to predict things because I thought they would be happy with 6 games, but when you add it all up it does give the NFL more reasons to lower the hammer than not.

I mean in reality what does going easy on him actually get the NFL? Everyone says they don’t want a federal trial because it would air dirty laundry but that first assumes a judge would listen to the case and second that they would be able to link any of that to the Watson case and show a connection. Despite what some think you can’t just submit whatever evidence or make whatever case you want, you have to prove it is relevant to the current case.

The argument of going easy on the owners in the past can be shut down simply by saying “That is exactly why we changed how the process works in the latest CBA that the union signed. We can’t change the past but we identified the problem and took steps to fix it. None of this, however, is relevant to the current case as the alleged wrongs of others do not excuse the wrongs of Mr. Watson which is what this case is about.”
 
maverick512000 said:
Here’s the thing it’s hard to say for sure what the NFL will do but there are several things working against Watson.

I mean in reality what does going easy on him actually get the NFL? Everyone says they don’t want a federal trial because it would air dirty laundry but that first assumes a judge would listen to the case and second that they would be able to link any of that to the Watson case and show a connection. Despite what some think you can’t just submit whatever evidence or make whatever case you want, you have to prove it is relevant to the current case.

The argument of going easy on the owners in the past can be shut down simply by saying “That is exactly why we changed how the process works in the latest CBA that the union signed. We can’t change the past but we identified the problem and took steps to fix it. None of this, however, is relevant to the current case as the alleged wrongs of others do not excuse the wrongs of Mr. Watson which is what this case is about.”
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Exactly the reasons I've previously posted that makes a Watson team Federal lawsuit not only an inadvisable move, but a losing proposition. In fact, in the unlikely event that a judge even listens to the case, the only likely admissible evidendence would lead to an opening up of the damning details of a Watson Pandora's Box...........which would certainly be pertinent to the subject.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It will probably be hard for some to believe this..........but I have been told by a very high level NFL source that, opposed to what is being reported, there has been no ongoing negotiations on the part of the NFL. There has been no move off of the minimum of 1 year and indefinite suspension.
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The reaction that I'm getting from people in the know is that the longer this drags out, the worse it is for Watson & the Browns.

The league has no reason to negotiate, they hold all the cards as the independent Sue Robinson's brief lays out their case & the guy making the decision is Goodells ringer.
They are NOT afraid of a federal suit in response and there would be no injunction that would put off his suspension.
They realize the integrity of the league is at stake here and with nearly half the fanbase women, they can't have the perception of being soft on this and alienating all those people who in general spend more money than their male counterparts.

I was told once before, several months ago that the baseline was the 2 years that Trevor Bauer got for his Two cases. That's what the league has to compare to .... It wouldn't shock me if they came back with two or more years - indefinite - must reapply beyond that date with no guarantee of reinstatement.

The statement by Goodell "multiple violations, predatory, egregious,".... its very rare that anyone is that candid and blunt. I think this is very telling about where the league stands.

Throw in the statements by Robinson where she point blank said he wasn't open and truthful and showed no remorse .... From her words, she wanted to swing the banhammer herself but felt compelled to force Goodell to do it.

Florio and Co just need something to write about .... even if it's wrong like everything else they have posted on the subject ....
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It will probably be hard for some to believe this..........but I have been told by a very high level NFL source that, opposed to what is being reported, there has been no ongoing negotiations on the part of the NFL. There has been no move off of the minimum of 1 year and indefinite suspension.
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Indefinite suspension makes sense to me. That is the NFL's incentive for Watson to meet NFL demands in the next year, like seeking counseling, community volunteer work, cash donations to women's centers, etc. If he does not comply the suspension remains in place.
 
Corrosion said:
The reaction that I'm getting from people in the know is that the longer this drags out, the worse it is for Watson & the Browns.

The league has no reason to negotiate, they hold all the cards as the independent Sue Robinson's brief lays out their case & the guy making the decision is Goodells ringer.
They are NOT afraid of a federal suit in response and there would be no injunction that would put off his suspension.
They realize the integrity of the league is at stake here and with nearly half the fanbase women, they can't have the perception of being soft on this and alienating all those people who in general spend more money than their male counterparts.

I was told once before, several months ago that the baseline was the 2 years that Trevor Bauer got for his Two cases. That's what the league has to compare to .... It wouldn't shock me if they came back with two or more years - indefinite - must reapply beyond that date with no guarantee of reinstatement.

The statement by Goodell "multiple violations, predatory, egregious,".... its very rare that anyone is that candid and blunt. I think this is very telling about where the league stands.

Throw in the statements by Robinson where she point blank said he wasn't open and truthful and showed no remorse .... From her words, she wanted to swing the banhammer herself but felt compelled to force Goodell to do it.

Florio and Co just need something to write about .... even if it's wrong like everything else they have posted on the subject ....
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When the Bauer suspension happened, I spoke to Kirwin about that and was told the nfl doesn't operate based on what other leagues do. I'm not disagreeing with you on some of the premise of them being firm with Watson. I'm just saying they don't view each other punishment as a baseline to form their code and punishments. I mean, look at the contract structure, the commissioner, and such. The nba for example is more of a partnership with the players because the salary of their commissioner is paid by the owner and players, same with nhl. Baseball and football the commissioner is paid by the owners. So there is always this acrimonious relationship between the 2. As stated, I don't have the connections in an nfl front office , I just have old Pat Kirwin who is an ex league guy and go to the owners meeting and such. I guess we will see in due time.
 
Texian said:
Indefinite suspension makes sense to me. That is the NFL's incentive for Watson to meet NFL demands in the next year, like seeking counseling, community volunteer work, cash donations to women's centers, etc. If he does not comply the suspension remains in place.
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It does. Isn't that what Vick got for the dogs? I can't remember what Little and Stallworth got for the dwi. Big Ben incident happened before the code of conduct if I remember and he was accused of having guards watch the door while he did his whatever.
 
Corrosion said:
The reaction that I'm getting from people in the know is that the longer this drags out, the worse it is for Watson & the Browns.

The league has no reason to negotiate, they hold all the cards as the independent Sue Robinson's brief lays out their case & the guy making the decision is Goodells ringer.
They are NOT afraid of a federal suit in response and there would be no injunction that would put off his suspension.
They realize the integrity of the league is at stake here and with nearly half the fanbase women, they can't have the perception of being soft on this and alienating all those people who in general spend more money than their male counterparts.

I was told once before, several months ago that the baseline was the 2 years that Trevor Bauer got for his Two cases. That's what the league has to compare to .... It wouldn't shock me if they came back with two or more years - indefinite - must reapply beyond that date with no guarantee of reinstatement.

The statement by Goodell "multiple violations, predatory, egregious,".... its very rare that anyone is that candid and blunt. I think this is very telling about where the league stands.

Throw in the statements by Robinson where she point blank said he wasn't open and truthful and showed no remorse .... From her words, she wanted to swing the banhammer herself but felt compelled to force Goodell to do it.

Florio and Co just need something to write about .... even if it's wrong like everything else they have posted on the subject ....
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Florio majors in content, thats it. I don't really understand why people even follow him. Isn't he a lawyer too?
 
leebigeztx said:
When the Bauer suspension happened, I spoke to Kirwin about that and was told the nfl doesn't operate based on what other leagues do. I'm not disagreeing with you on some of the premise of them being firm with Watson. I'm just saying they don't view each other punishment as a baseline to form their code and punishments. I mean, look at the contract structure, the commissioner, and such. The nba for example is more of a partnership with the players because the salary of their commissioner is paid by the owner and players, same with nhl. Baseball and football the commissioner is paid by the owners. So there is always this acrimonious relationship between the 2. As stated, I don't have the connections in an nfl front office , I just have old Pat Kirwin who is an ex league guy and go to the owners meeting and such. I guess we will see in due time.
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I'm not going to dispute what you say here ..... I'm just going to say that what I relayed above came from the same two sauces that relayed to me the term "indefinite" in regard to the suspension many months ago.
 
leebigeztx said:
I can't remember what Little and Stallworth got for the dwi.
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As far as the NFL suspension, Leonard Little received 8 games for the manslaughter DUI from then NFL commish Paul Tagliabue in 1998. Donte Stallworth was given a one year suspension for manslaughter DUI in 2019 from Roger Goodell.

Little received 90 days in a halfway house, plus community service and probation for his manslaughter conviction. Stallworth spent 24 days in county jail, plus community service and probation.
 

This is an interesting take.

After seeing what Jacksonville did to Watson in his first appearance one would have to think worse obscenities will follow.

Does the NFL want those obscenities broadcasted during games?

Would the NFL tell teams to control the crowd?

That becomes a whole other issue.

After spending a small fortune to go to the game will fans accept not being to heckle DW? After spending a small fortune will fans decide to stay home after being at a game and having their family witness those chants?
 
leebigeztx said:
When the Bauer suspension happened, I spoke to Kirwin about that and was told the nfl doesn't operate based on what other leagues do. I'm not disagreeing with you on some of the premise of them being firm with Watson. I'm just saying they don't view each other punishment as a baseline to form their code and punishments. I mean, look at the contract structure, the commissioner, and such. The nba for example is more of a partnership with the players because the salary of their commissioner is paid by the owner and players, same with nhl. Baseball and football the commissioner is paid by the owners. So there is always this acrimonious relationship between the 2. As stated, I don't have the connections in an nfl front office , I just have old Pat Kirwin who is an ex league guy and go to the owners meeting and such. I guess we will see in due time.
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Regarding your comment about baseline punishment between the leagues. I came in on a end of a conversation about MLB vs NFL suspensions. Recently, Fernando Tatis was suspended for 80 games. That's a big number. However, thinking about it. It's half an MLB season. If an NFL player is suspended for half a season, it's only 8 games.

The point the person was making was whether you agree or disagree or just ignore Watson for a second, the punishment comparison between leagues can be misleading.
 
Lucky said:
As far as the NFL suspension, Leonard Little received 8 games for the manslaughter DUI from then NFL commish Paul Tagliabue in 1998. Donte Stallworth was given a one year suspension for manslaughter DUI in 2019 from Roger Goodell.

Little received 90 days in a halfway house, plus community service and probation for his manslaughter conviction. Stallworth spent 24 days in county jail, plus community service and probation.
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Stallworth actually was given an "indefinite" suspension with no limit to the length of suspension originally. He reapplied for reinstatement after a year.
 
leebigeztx said:
When the Bauer suspension happened, I spoke to Kirwin about that and was told the nfl doesn't operate based on what other leagues do. I'm not disagreeing with you on some of the premise of them being firm with Watson. I'm just saying they don't view each other punishment as a baseline to form their code and punishments. I mean, look at the contract structure, the commissioner, and such. The nba for example is more of a partnership with the players because the salary of their commissioner is paid by the owner and players, same with nhl. Baseball and football the commissioner is paid by the owners. So there is always this acrimonious relationship between the 2. As stated, I don't have the connections in an nfl front office , I just have old Pat Kirwin who is an ex league guy and go to the owners meeting and such. I guess we will see in due time.
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EDIT: Typed this before seeing the NFL punishment.
 
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Earl34 said:
Regarding your comment about baseline punishment between the leagues. I came in on a end of a conversation about MLB vs NFL suspensions. Recently, Fernando Tatis was suspended for 80 games. That's a big number. However, thinking about it. It's half an MLB season. If an NFL player is suspended for half a season, it's only 8 games.

The point the person was making was whether you agree or disagree or just ignore Watson for a second, the punishment comparison between leagues can be misleading.
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2 seasons is 2 seasons
 
11 games, 5 million fine…counseling….and folks still gonna be mad…1st game back against the Texans….

kid still winning
 
TexansBull said:

This is an interesting take.

After seeing what Jacksonville did to Watson in his first appearance one would have to think worse obscenities will follow.

Does the NFL want those obscenities broadcasted during games?

Would the NFL tell teams to control the crowd?

That becomes a whole other issue.

After spending a small fortune to go to the game will fans accept not being to heckle DW? After spending a small fortune will fans decide to stay home after being at a game and having their family witness those chants?
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Its almost impossible to control a crowd and if the NFL tries to shut it down that pulls a pin on a whole new grenade. At that point the narrative become "The NFL is shutting down and ejecting paying fans in order to protect a sexual predator from having his feelings hurt with harsh words." Yeah that is not a message the NFL wants out there in any form shape or fashion. Not to mention its super ironic that he went to the Browns as they chanted and used the term "Rapethlisberger" for 10+ years now and they never got shut down. Steelers fans are loving giving them a taste of their own medicine and if Watson does play I can't wait for that first Browns vs Steelers game. The crowd chants on that one will be epic.
 
www.usatoday.com

Deshaun Watson suspended 11 games, fined $5 million after settling personal conduct case with NFL

Deshaun Watson will be eligible to return until the Browns' Week 13 game against the Texans after settling his personal conduct case with the NFL.
www.usatoday.com

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Watson will be allowed to begin practicing with the Browns during week 6. Unless part of the agreement was that Watson wouldn't play in the Texans game, that scenario remains very likely.
 
maverick512000 said:
Devil takes care of his own I guess. Of course now he will forever be known as a sexual predator so yeah if you call that winning.
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lol…sure, the people who ultimately arent impacting his life…. However the circles he and his business partners will be running in, noone will be thinking about that. Reality is this is only consuming the drunk retards in football stands…

But dont let him lead the Browns to any significant winning…those folks will really be mad…even tho this whole fiasco went thru all the proper legal channels…all the proper NFL disciplinary channels.

Its over, folks need to just grow up and move on.
 
Mr teX said:
lol…sure, the people who ultimately arent impacting his life…. However the circles he and his business partners will be running in, noone will be thinking about that. Reality is this is only consuming the drunk retards in football stands…

But dont let him lead the Browns to any significant winning…those folks will really be mad…even tho this whole fiasco went thru all the proper legal channels…all the proper NFL disciplinary channels.

Its over, folks need to just grow up and move on.
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Watch your language.
 
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