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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Very interesting outcome, can’t wait for the tell all book/movie about this one. I’m guessing it will be another OJ situation where there are no criminal charges but get crucified in civil. Either way now it’s time to start looking at who can create the biggest trade package. The recent massive haul that Denver just gave up for Wilson should help make the Texans price seem in line with the market.

Good day for the Texans, for society as a whole well that’s more questionable.
 
amazing80 said:
a lot of people on this site need to own up to their ridiculous claims and inside knowledge and scoops and admit they were wrong. The amount of crap DW4 has had to endure with very little information out there is outrageous. You should be ashamed of yourself. That's why believing what people say on a message board about "what they heard" is stupid.
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I still think he's guilty & glad they can get on with a trade.

But this is the reason I believe Buzzbee started with civil suits & why most victims don't come forward. Without an eye witness it's difficult to get a conviction. Especially if the victims don't go to a hospital & get a rape kit.
 
amazing80 said:
I get it, but there were a handful of posters around here that convinced a lot of people that he was guilty and was going to prison. It was reckless and irresponsible to pretend to know more than they did.
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You assume too much .... and this definitely doesn't mean "we pretended to know a damn thing." The only thing we were wrong on was the indictment ....
 
amazing80 said:
I get it, but there were a handful of posters around here that convinced a lot of people that he was guilty and was going to prison. It was reckless and irresponsible to pretend to know more than they did.
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So what would make you happy?

A poster on this site getting paid to do nothing?
 
Is now a bad times to remind some folks "innocent till proven guilty" still has merit?

I'm not completely surprised by the decision, I'm more surprised we got it today. The guys on 610 talk like next Wednesday is some kind of cap deadline and speculated they may push hard to do something by then? (Yeah right.)

What happened in the Civil proceedings today?
 
Corrosion said:
You assume too much .... and this definitely doesn't mean "we pretended to know a damn thing." The only thing we were wrong on was the indictment ....
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No, YOU assume too much. Go back and look at my posts regarding the issue vs yours. You pretend to have some inside knowledge and information and the reality is you are no different than the rest of us. Have your opinion, but don't pretend like you are in the know when you're not.

At least SteelB doesn't act like he knows anything other than what he's read.
 
I never thought Watson was guilty of anything criminal but I wouldn't say that I'm happy for him -- only that I hope that he learns something from all of this and grows up. I am happy for the Texans. Hopefully the franchise has bottomed out and this is a turning point towards good things to come.
 
amazing80 said:
No, YOU assume too much. Go back and look at my posts regarding the issue vs yours. You pretend to have some inside knowledge and information and the reality is you are no different than the rest of us. Have your opinion, but don't pretend like you are in the know when you're not.

At least SteelB doesn't act like he knows anything other than what he's read.
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Man bro, you taking this personally. Care to share your true feelings?
 
thunderkyss said:
I still think he's guilty & glad they can get on with a trade.

But this is the reason I believe Buzzbee started with civil suits & why most victims don't come forward. Without an eye witness it's difficult to get a conviction. Especially if the victims don't go to a hospital & get a rape kit.
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there are a whole host of reasons why they don’t come forward & it’s disingenuous to assume that that’s the only reason…that’s just the only reason people wanna talk about.
 
powda said:
Is now a bad times to remind some folks "innocent till proven guilty" still has merit?

I'm not completely surprised by the decision, I'm more surprised we got it today. The guys on 610 talk like next Wednesday is some kind of cap deadline and speculated they may push hard to do something by then? (Yeah right.)

What happened in the Civil proceedings today?
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It's one of the reasons besides an occasional glance. Once this thread was moved out of the football forum, I pretty much stayed away. I do find it interesting the number of posts before the grand jury verdict versus afterwards. Even Djohn has gone quiet.

IMHO. I think Watson has some weird fetish. He visited those therapists and whether it was gyrations, body language, nonverbal communication or whatever, he pushed the envelope to see if the masseuses would give him the off books treatment. Some played his game and he offended others. Only Watson, those masseuses and God knows if his behavior went above indecent exposure.

At this point, regardless of "innocent till proven guilty", he will always have this cloud over his career and reputation.
 
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amazing80 said:
I get it, but there were a handful of posters around here that convinced a lot of people that he was guilty and was going to prison. It was reckless and irresponsible to pretend to know more than they did.
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It’s real easy to get an indictment unless you don’t want to.
amazing80 said:
I get it, but there were a handful of posters around here that convinced a lot of people that he was guilty and was going to prison. It was reckless and irresponsible to pretend to know more than they did.
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Prosecutor spent 6 hours today presenting on 9 charges. Do the math. And not all women got to testify in person allegedly. There was absolute pressure to wrap this up.
 
Kudos and thanks to @djohn2oo8 for providing a lot of quality updates up till now. Your personal opinion on the matter was ultimately wrong ,but I credit you for bluntly telling me you were biased against dw when I asked.

I'm glad the criminal portion of this saga is finally over. I'm looking forward to the "trade" part of it all.
 
Watson be like……

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powda said:
That leads me to the question:

How many posters still thinks he's guilty even after a gj doesn't find the evidence to pursue him?
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Doesn't really matter what people think.

Trade his ass as soon as Caserio can.

This opens up all of the BB/OT trade scenario's.

Just know there will be other women coming out. We're apparently gonna miss out on the good entertainment, for a few draft picks
 
maverick512000 said:
Question has no relevance and is just stirring the pot Powda. Let’s just trade him and hopefully put this behind us so we can get back to arguing about more fun things than serious, real world issues.
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I want to agree but I'm not sure I can. Opinions of him are tilted and probably that effects what they consider his trade value to be.

It's almost a dead horse though. Almost.
 
First….there wasn’t enough “evidence” to convict Watson. Allegations, finger pointing, and blustering your side of the case to the media at every chance doesn’t make one guilty.

As I stated far too many times, going for the money in settlements outside the judicial system could be viewed as a money grab. Once this issue went public, many could question why so many suddenly came forward for a settlement versus going 22 strong on criminal suits.

Also, Watson like every US citizen is supposed to innocent until proven guilty. So those that want to hold onto their personal feelings of guilt, even after the GJ verdict…..at what point were any of us in the room with those involved to know exactly who’s 100% telling the truth? Watson refused to pay and wanted to go to court….he may have had a leg to stand on. The women wanted money on a behind the scenes settlement and only after being refused….some of them went with Buzbee’s recommendation to file criminal complaints.

I think Buzbee and his clients lose once again if they try to go for civil settlements. Their only hope for any money is if Watson and Hardin find a benefit to end this whole mess by giving these women some money. They may want to lower their expectations to lower 5 digit settlements and let this end. If they push too far, Watson and Hardin could counter and come after them.

I’m not happy that Watson and his actions put the team in this situation. I’m even more pissed that he wanted out of Houston after signing his lucrative and life changing contract. I will always believe that his desire to leave Houston had nothing to do with the hiring of Caserio and Culley without his input and absolutely everything to do with initial shakedown for money and knowing more could be coming. Regardless….I want his arse out of Houston and on the first train to the team who coughed up the most for his services. Good riddance and can’t wait to see how Caserio uses the extra picks.
 
powda said:
How many posters still thinks he's guilty even after a gj doesn't find the evidence to pursue him?
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There is enough for suspicion. But there is plenty of reasonable doubt.
OptimisticTexan said:
First….there wasn’t enough “evidence” to convict Watson.
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Or enough to indict. No DNA, no rape kit, no police report at the time of the incident. There were text messages and conversations with family and friends. I still think the civil case is viable. Without a smoking gun, the criminal case was always a non-starter.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
First….there wasn’t enough “evidence” to convict Watson.
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technically, the grand jury is just saying not enough evidence to bring charges. They weren’t really “seeking” a conviction
OptimisticTexan said:
Allegations, finger pointing, and blustering your side of the case to the media at every chance doesn’t make one guilty.
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That’s not why I thought he was guilty. The SI article, where they did their own investigation was the big thing for me.
OptimisticTexan said:
Also, Watson like every US citizen is supposed to innocent until proven guilty.
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I’m so glad you said that. I was starting to think I was the only one who thinks OJ is innocent.
OptimisticTexan said:
So those that want to hold onto their personal feelings of guilt, even after the GJ verdict
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I don’t know if “verdict” is the right word. They didn’t say he was guilty. They didn’t say he was not guilty. Only that they don’t have enough evidence

OptimisticTexan said:
The women wanted money on a behind the scenes settlement and only after being refused….some of them went with Buzbee’s recommendation to file criminal complaints.
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that was one woman. Why do you attribute that to all the women? Including those with criminal complaints & no civil complaints.
 
And as for the civil suits, I said this once before & I'll say it again. Since they are separate civil suits, you go to trial one at a time. Since the Grand Jury no billed Watson, it would seem to me that the women have no proof that a crime was committed. Proof would consist of filing a police report in a timely manner, Watson's semen, videos of the act, recordings of the conversations, witnesses to the act/conversations & social media boasts by Watson after the alleged assault (that's why I believe they were reviewing everyone's emails & social media posts). In my opinion, all Hardin has to do is win the first couple of cases & then use those cases as a reference in all the subsequent cases. I would also think that several of the women would drop their civil suits if they have to go to trial one at a time. I don't know what actually happened behind closed doors, but I suspect he may have done some inappropriate acts. Unfortunately for the women, if they have no proof, then they have nothing.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not really surprised at what happened. Just another case of the rich and famous beating the rap. The whole thing was a farce, Ogg having 9 women willing to testify and she only calls 1 before resting her case. Even if this is wrong, it only took 6 1/2 hours to come to this decision?

Corruption in the DA's office runs deep.
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case was never as strong as Buzzard led y’all to believe period. If it was, DW4 would’ve been in steel bracelets long ago. He was just using the criminal complaints and his blustering in the media every chance he could get to try to keep up the pressure/scare DW4 into settling into perhaps more than he was willing to….& his strategy didn’t work, end of story.
 
Mr teX said:
case was never as strong as Buzzard led y’all to believe period. If it was, DW4 would’ve been in steel bracelets long ago. He was just using the criminal complaints and his blustering in the media every chance he could get to try to keep up the pressure/scare DW4 into settling into perhaps more than he was willing to….& his strategy didn’t work, end of story.
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We will see if his clients get paid. If they do his strategy worked. Civil court is much different than criminal. I doubt Buzbee cared whether Derrick was indicted unless it affected Derricks ability to pay.

Bottom line for me this shows how much corruption is in the DA's office. Not presenting all of the ladies that had been supenoed speaks volumes.
 
steelbtexan said:
We will see if his clients get paid. If they do his strategy worked. Civil court is much different than criminal. I doubt Buzbee cared whether Derrick was indicted unless it affected Derricks ability to pay.

Bottom line for me this shows how much corruption is in the DA's office. Not presenting all of the ladies that had been supenoed speaks volumes.
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How do you know all of the ladies were subpoenaed was not presented? I thought the GJ proceedings are not public. Did any of the women who were not presented tell the media?
 
Earl34 said:
How do you know all of the ladies were subpoenaed was not presented? I thought the GJ proceedings are not public. Did any of the women who were not presented tell the media?
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The proceedings we're done and the GJ came back with a no bill in 6 1/2 hours. No way could all of them testified.
 
The reports have created a sense that a trade will happen this week. But there’s another factor to consider.

On Tuesday, attorney Tony Buzbee will grill Watson regarding the activities that resulted in the filing of 22 civil lawsuits and multiple criminal complaints. After wisely invoking the Fifth Amendment when interrogated by Buzbee on Friday, given that the grand jury had not yet decided to not charge with any crimes (Buzbee refused to delay the deposition until Monday), Watson will now face the music. The music will be loud. The music will be grating. The music will be frustrating. Eventually, Watson could say something that will paint him in a negative light.

The NFL and its teams are driven in many if not most if not all respects by P.R. Given the very strong probability that portions of Watson’s testimony will make their way to the media, teams should be balancing the urgency to get a deal done against the wisdom of being prudent. Of waiting until more information emerges regarding the things that will, or won’t, emerge as to the things Watson does, or doesn’t, say while testifying.

Whether he violated the legal rights of one or more of the 22 plaintiffs is one thing. His actual behavior is another. For the first time since the initial lawsuit was filed — 52 weeks to the day earlier — Watson will talk about what he did and why he did it.

After all this time, it could make plenty of sense for the truly interested teams (whoever they actually may be) to press pause just a little bit longer, if only to see whether and to what extent Watson holds up under what will be witheringly aggressive questioning.

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