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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

maverick512000 said:
Does bring up an interesting question. Let’s say 21 of them are lying and just after money but number 22 is telling the truth and he did assault her. Does that mean we should be more forgiving or view it lesser? I understand from a punishment point of view the sentence would be lesser but in how he is viewed should we say “Well yeah he assaulted that one woman but at least it wasn’t all of them.”? Something about that just feels wrong to me.
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At this point, that would work in his favor, but I don't think it should. If only one woman came forward and it was proven he forced her he would be in a world of hurt in and of itself. But if 21 out of 22 are proven to be victimizing Watson I think that will in some way mitigate the feelings towards Watson. Not saying it should, but human nature being what it is...
 
powda said:
I've looked you up as you casually advertise on social media. I'm not using regular outlets because of '19.


I lay down on your table...
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I'm half naked and my body responds to a woman who has her hands all over me.

I said it before. Having an erection is not a felony.
 
maverick512000 said:
Actually given what we know a better argument can be made that Watson was trying to get out because this was coming. He asked to be traded in Jan. but according to his own post Buzbee contacted him last year so before he wanted out of Houston.
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I was referring to the possibility that some of the women changed their minds about what happened when they found out there was money involved, but thanks for the information.
 
maverick512000 said:
Does bring up an interesting question. Let’s say 21 of them are lying and just after money but number 22 is telling the truth and he did assault her. Does that mean we should be more forgiving or view it lesser? I understand from a punishment point of view the sentence would be lesser but in how he is viewed should we say “Well yeah he assaulted that one woman but at least it wasn’t all of them.”? Something about that just feels wrong to me.
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That's why this whole mess needs to be sorted through case by case. I'm inclined to believe he assaulted a handful and a bunch of the willing crowd are jumping on the bandwagon. But maybe he assaulted most. I'm not sure that we'll ever get the answer to that. Assuming his punishment isn't many years in prison, his future in the NFL is going to boil down to the court of public opinion and a teams willingness to take on the PR fallout, right? The nature of his accusations isn't the same as Tigers, but my best guess is that the public response will be similar to Tigers, which was fairly quick to forgive after his hiatus if I remember right. But DW's going to have to own it and be contrite to get the public back in his corner. It's hard to imagine him not doing so.
 
powda said:
Nice stiff reference. That scenario is probably uncomfortable for all. Still not a crime.
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Absolutely, it's merely biology, but I'm old school, I still think Xs & Ys determine boys and girls. I don't think DW is being sued because he had it, it's what he did or didn't do with it.
 
maverick512000 said:
Ok I’m not sure what point you keep trying to get at. No one, anywhere has said that the issue was he got an erection. Read the filings it was that he then either tried to touch them with it or get them to touch him. So what point are you trying to make?
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I think, the sight of him in that state would lead to conclusions.
 
Max said:
That's why this whole mess needs to be sorted through case by case. I'm inclined to believe he assaulted a handful and a bunch of the willing crowd are jumping on the bandwagon. But maybe he assaulted most. I'm not sure that we'll ever get the answer to that. Assuming his punishment isn't many years in prison, his future in the NFL is going to boil down to the court of public opinion and a teams willingness to take on the PR fallout, right? The nature of his accusations isn't the same as Tigers, but my best guess is that the public response will be similar to Tigers, which was fairly quick to forgive after his hiatus if I remember right. But DW's going to have to own it and be contrite to get the public back in his corner. It's hard to imagine him not doing so.
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I compare it more to a Big Ben, Woods had bad taste but it was still just running around on his wife. Here’s the thing though, fair or not this is the absolute worst time for Watson to be accused of this. With the #metoo movement and what’s going on with Cuomo NFL is going to be under a lot of pressure to make an example of him.

Doesn’t help that we aren’t talking about some random backup player we are talking about one of the premier QBs in the league right now and one of the guys they were grooming to be the face of the sport.

I’m honestly not sure what the final fallout from all this will be but I do know the NFL is not going to let themselves go down because one player no matter who that player is and, as mentioned, they don’t have to have any proof to act.
 
Max said:
That's why this whole mess needs to be sorted through case by case. I'm inclined to believe he assaulted a handful and a bunch of the willing crowd are jumping on the bandwagon. But maybe he assaulted most. I'm not sure that we'll ever get the answer to that. Assuming his punishment isn't many years in prison, his future in the NFL is going to boil down to the court of public opinion and a teams willingness to take on the PR fallout, right? The nature of his accusations isn't the same as Tigers, but my best guess is that the public response will be similar to Tigers, which was fairly quick to forgive after his hiatus if I remember right. But DW's going to have to own it and be contrite to get the public back in his corner. It's hard to imagine him not doing so.
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And that's why I think Hardin's best strategy is to asap tell the world his client is devestated, going for treatment/counsiling etc... Will address his remorse when he's capable and thank Busbee for not making this about money and paying every one of them the $500 they filed for. Buzbee has said over and over again it's not about money. If Hardin doesn't take advantage of that while he can... We're going to hear "Well it wasn't about money then, but now..." I'm actually surprized Buzbee left this opening and I'll be further surprised if Hardin doesn't exploit it.

Of course Watson would have to apologize, but I think he could do this without getting into specifics, like Tiger did. Buzbee has already said how arrogant Watson's side was not to take this seriously at the outset. I wonder if Watson has learned anything from that.
 
maverick512000 said:
Again Powda read the filings, for the sake of argument let’s assume they are true for a moment. He literally pushed himself up into one of their hands, pressured one to oil his anus and forced one to preform oral sex. The sight of him with an erection had nothing to do with what they are saying.
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And if more than him having an erection was a problem let them pursue it.
 
ColeThornton said:
And that's why I think Hardin's best strategy is to asap tell the world his client is devestated, going for treatment/counsiling etc... Will address his remorse when he's capable and thank Busbee for not making this about money and paying every one of them the $500 they filed for. Buzbee has said over and over again it's not about money. If Hardin doesn't take advantage of that while he can... We're going to hear "Well it wasn't about money then, but now..." I'm actually surprized Buzbee left this opening and I'll be further surprised if Hardin doesn't exploit it.

Of course Watson would have to apologize, but I think he could do this without getting into specifics, like Tiger did. Buzbee has already said how arrogant Watson's side was not to take this seriously at the outset. I wonder if Watson has learned anything from that.
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Doesn’t work that way, the 500 is just so it goes to court. Watson can’t just pay that off and he’s home free. It’s a legal filing now so unless both parties agree to drop it then it goes to court.
 
maverick512000 said:
I compare it more to a Big Ben, Woods had bad taste but it was still just running around on his wife. Here’s the thing though, fair or not this is the absolute worst time for Watson to be accused of this. With the #metoo movement and what’s going on with Cuomo NFL is going to be under a lot of pressure to make an example of him.

Doesn’t help that we aren’t talking about some random backup player we are talking about one of the premier QBs in the league right now and one of the guys they were grooming to be the face of the sport.

I’m honestly not sure what the final fallout from all this will be but I do know the NFL is not going to let themselves go down because one player no matter who that player is and, as mentioned, they don’t have to have any proof to act.
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Yep, I expect the league to be harsh. Roethlisberger's suspension was 6 games reduced to 4. I'd be surprised if it wasn't more than Ben's -- maybe even a full season if this continues to look as bad for DW.


ColeThornton said:
And that's why I think Hardin's best strategy is to asap tell the world his client is devestated, going for treatment/counsiling etc... Will address his remorse when he's capable and thank Busbee for not making this about money and paying every one of them the $500 they filed for. Buzbee has said over and over again it's not about money. If Hardin doesn't take advantage of that while he can... We're going to hear "Well it wasn't about money then, but now..." I'm actually surprized Buzbee left this opening and I'll be further surprised if Hardin doesn't exploit it.

Of course Watson would have to apologize, but I think he could do this without getting into specifics, like Tiger did. Buzbee has already said how arrogant Watson's side was not to take this seriously at the outset. I wonder if Watson has learned anything from that.
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I've never seen a lawyer go the apology route in the middle of negotiating a settlement. They're going to play hardball as much as they can and when they've gotten the settlement as low as they can, then DW will do the obligatory Oprah charade or whoever it is now (IMO).
 
maverick512000 said:
Doesn’t work that way, the 500 is just so it goes to court. Watson can’t just pay that off and he’s home free. It’s a legal filing now so unless both parties agree to drop it then it goes to court.
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I understand that... however. I think Hardin and Buzbee both believe this will be settled before it ever goes to trial. I think they both believe that public perception will have a lot to do with the dollar amounts paid out. That's why if the DA announces that a criminal invesigation has concluded and there will be no charges filed, it is a gut punch to the Buzbee camp. I also think if Buzbee's bluff is called "not about money", it's another blow in the court of public opinion. I know it sounds good to say it's not about money, but when they do a 180 it's gonna be a bad look at that point. I actually think he gains less by saying it than he's going to lose when he does exactly the opposite of what he's been saying.
 
ColeThornton said:
That's funny, because a person trying to secretly record someone in their conversation would always know they were doing it. I wonder why I hear so many warnings that my conversation may be recorded when talking to customer service etc... if it isn't necessary. It may vary from state to state.
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It varies from state to state. In TX, the part about "at least one party has to be aware of it" is to prevent a third party (government w/o a court order or warrant, or anyone else...) from listening in and recording your conversation.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1373431631923572741
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Will submit evidence? It will be interesting if the evidence is only text messages. Isn't it natural to assume that if these masseuses are inviting unknown men/customers into their homes for massages, what are the odds that one of them have video of their sessions?

When you consider the world we live in, the idea of just picking up random masseuses on social media without any vetting is just so insane. You have COVID, you could be secretly video taped, you could even be walking into an ambush or robbery. It's just nuts.
 
Earl34 said:
Will submit evidence? It will be interesting if the evidence is only text messages. Isn't it natural to assume that if these masseuses are inviting unknown men/customers into their homes for massages, what are the odds that one of them have video of their sessions?

When you consider the world we live in, the idea of just picking up random masseuses on social media without any vetting is just so insane. You have COVID, you could be secretly video taped, you could even be walking into an ambush or robbery. It's just nuts.
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That’s why I’m so shocked that he would put himself in that type of predicament. I’m pretty sure someone told him to be careful with that type of stuff because of things you mentioned above. Not only that I know he grew up in the hood. Therefore he should be well aware of these women who are out here to get you.
Then to top it off you have a bad chick who you took to Cabo.
 
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Earl34 said:
Will submit evidence? It will be interesting if the evidence is only text messages. Isn't it natural to assume that if these masseuses are inviting unknown men/customers into their homes for massages, what are the odds that one of them have video of their sessions?

When you consider the world we live in, the idea of just picking up random masseuses on social media without any vetting is just so insane. You have COVID, you could be secretly video taped, you could even be walking into an ambush or robbery. It's just nuts.
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Well the affidavits are going to matter. I’m of the believe that if he is requesting a grand jury, there may even be surveillance tape.
 
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