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Seth Wand

The Wand situation is a crazy one to me. The more I stew over it it does seem to be something that was more personality/political driven than anything. In a league where big LT's that have good feet and a finite amount of teams use the zone blocking scheme we have decided to punt on bringing in depth that knows our personnel and playbook.

Wand has not been signed and not worked out by other NFL teams. Moreover, you do not hear publicly anyone calling for him to return. Was his 2004 campaign and his 2005 stint in the doghouse that bad where Carr, Pitts, McKinney and Wiegert are not going public? Did Sherman really like the kid? Has Kubiak decided not to bring Wand back to show Winston and Spencer that you they are our future bookends? Viable questions with no solid answers.

My take is that if he ain't back now, he ain't coming back and that is because of Kubiak. Kubiak has come to town and has turned a sad sack QB into the top rated passer in the league even with a maligned line. Wand maybe a nice guy with potential, but I do not recall those type of guys not to be picked up after being released, be in the dog house and not have his former mates (in a time of need) stay so quiet in a 18 month term. Something is up and it ain't Wand at the moment.
 
I have to weigh in on this Wand argument. Are you people actually serious? I am not a Wand supporter, was a good guy, but did not play well. I assume the people that consider him solid either dont know much about technique or know absolutely nothing about it. He does not fit with what we are trying to do, he is not strong and he does not have the mentality to overcome under pressure. Durning TC Sherman pulled for Wand and gave him every opportunity to be the starter, what did Wand do? Well he got cut, obviously. Anyone who went to TC that did not have to sit in the stands got to hear the choice words every practice for Wand, because he just was not playing up to his ability.
You can say he played badly because of Pendry, too much pressure, or the fact that he was just not that good. Either way you slice it he is not the guy for us. Interesting that the Chiefs, Lions, and Raiders all have major injuries on their O-lines, but not one of them has brought him in. Hell the Chiefs have DT L.Dalton working at G, because both LTs are hurt.
Come on guys I understand the man love, like I said he is a good guy, but he is not a good player. Bedell is a swing guy so he has more value, Salaam is unspectacular, but Winston is coming along pretty well in practice and in several weeks will be getting some PT. I cannot go into technique, because I dont overly understand all of it, but Coach C. explained that Wand needs a good deal of work before he will make this team. Wand being cut had was not political or for some "flaw" in Kubes personality, it was because he could not get the job done Period Look for him in TC next year...
 
Final trades have to happen by what, week 6?

Since we are not in contention for the Super Bowl anyway, maybe Kubes and company are waiting for the final couple of days to see who's available, and may still pick him up if there are no better fits available.

I guess what I am trying to say is that it's not that they hate Wand, but with just one more game before the deadline they are just keeping their options open till the last minute.

Then what do I know, I ran out of coffee and am having Pepsi for breakfast.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't know. "Chisel Out" does that mean to refine, and develop?? or is he saying Seth would be part of the scrap that would hit the floor?? the part that was Chiseled away??

& in the second one, he says Seth needs another offseason to work out with the team, to learn what we are trying to do as a team, and work on his strength.

I don't know.

I thought Seth played well, and thought he should start... only because Spencer is a rookie. I don't see the point in trying to develop three Tackles, so going with Salaam seems like a no brainer (now, back then I didn't like the idea) Especially after watching Spencer play against D.Howard, & Freeney. Freeney beat him once, and it cost him(David), but I don't think Wand would have done much better if any at all.

What I found strange, was putting Bedelle in there when Salaam got hurt, and then pushing Salaam back out there when Bedelle wasn't working out..... I'd have thought he'd put Pitts in at LT, and Weary at Gaurd, just to finish the game....... but oh well.
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I think a lot of what Kubiak does/decisions he makes are based on 'saving face.' He comes across as that kind of person that does not like to admit he made the 'wrong' decision. He'll take the blame when it involves an entire 'median(like the play of the defense)' where a lot of people are involved in the decision making and he--by default-is the one ultimately held accountable...but-when the 'finger' can only point at him-he's not as culpable(sp).

I hope this is not the case, as Capers was the same way and even worse (nothing was ever his fault), but Kubiak's 'rhetoric' leaves a lot to be deired. IMO, Gary needs a PR person that can monitor what he is saying to the public vs what he is coaching on the field.:yahoo:
 
[[Gary Kubiak]];462565 said:
Everybody hates Wand, don't you know that. Think he is a hard worker, but a very slow learner. He must be .... ummm mentally challenged.
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Is it just me or does anyone else remember Tony Boselli quoted as saying Seth Wand was one of the most intelligent players he's ever met?
 
Kubiak and Sherman praised Wand, in the local media and one would assume
privately at that same time. The kids ego was going thru a major overhaul
after the humiliating treatment he received last year from the Capers crowd.
Then low and behold, the Kubiak crowd dropped Wand like he was a piece of hot dog dung. Didn't just demote him, but cut him from the team entirely.
IMO, this was a very ill advised stategy and the current regime burnt their bridges with Wand. Not to mention that it was an ethically lacking call.
 
nunusguy said:
Then low and behold, the Kubiak crowd dropped Wand like he was a piece of hot dog dung. Didn't just demote him, but cut him from the team entirely.
IMO, this was a very ill advised stategy and the current regime burnt their bridges with Wand. Not to mention that it was an ethically lacking call.
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We've got a 53 man roster to fill. the rookies will be on it, that's not even a question. the choice was Wand or Salaam........ you think they should've cut the salty dog, and keep the 2nd year guy with little game time in the past 18 months??

I liked Wand too, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
thunderkyss said:
We've got a 53 man roster to fill. the rookies will be on it, that's not even a question. the choice was Wand or Salaam........ you think they should've cut the salty dog, and keep the 2nd year guy with little game time in the past 18 months??

I liked Wand too, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Cutting him for the initial 53 man roster is one thing, but now that we clearly need a starter at left tackle is another. Salaam is a "swing" guy, not a starter.
 
JohnGalt said:
Cutting him for the initial 53 man roster is one thing, but now that we clearly need a starter at left tackle is another. Salaam is a "swing" guy, not a starter.
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My reply was concerning the 53 man roster.

I agree with you here.
 
Here's an easy way to settle this:

Kubiak is the coach. It was his decision. Not yours.

Concoct all the theories you want, it doesn't matter. Some claim that Kubiak is stubborn (especially for the Wand Situation) but it's HIS team and he'll make a decision and stand by it because HIS rear is on the line. I bet Kubiak really cherishes making goofy decisions "just for the heck of it" when the real thing that matters is fielding the best team possible so you can win. The guy was part of one of the longest winningest NFL teams (Broncos) and he's seen everything under the sun when it comes to who's got the stuff and who doesn't. But lately he's getting made out to be a goober. Simply amazing...

Too many times we all think that we could coach the team and make the tough decisions. Heck, if it were up to us around here...we'd still have Jonathan Wells, Tony Hollings, Jabar Gaffney, Billy Miller, Corey Bradford, JJ Moses, and a whole bunch of other guys that if I am not mistaken are not even IN THE LEAGUE. Wed' have them because there's just that certain "something" that says those guys can make it if we had better playcalling or better players around them, or a different scheme, etc. I marvel at how much this board gets pissy when a "good guy" gets cut. Maybe Texans fans are not as savvy as other NFL fans. I've been to some other NFL fan sites and you should see how rabid they are for the coaches to get rid of guys. You don't see this "boo hoo hoo, so-and-so was making so much progress...I wish he hadn't got cut!". They pretty much have no sympathy for the players if they get cut. They know that to win games, you gotta' send people home and continue to always foster an attitude of excellence, which means sending a few guys packing once and a while. That's what Kubiak is doing, and it was a welcome relief from the days of Capers when you could INK in the regular season roster before training camp had even STARTED.

It amazes me how much we sit around here and play "coach" when we'd be making sentimental, instinctual calls on personnel that guys like Capers had made over the past few years.

Capers this and Capers that. Blah blah blah.

Was only a matter of time that a few around here are taking their paper labels off their brand new bars of pink soap.
 
I’m many years removed from Springfield, Missouri, but I still have affiliations there. I was looking at the Texan’s team roster on the internet for Seth Wand. A fellow Springfield native, and was unable to find him listed there. What is the reason for that? Was he disabled, traded, or dropped?
 
Seth Wand was named the starter going into training camp. He had an average camp, and Charles Spencer was named the starter in his place. He was then cut from the team, and never heard from again.

It was assumed that he lacked the "fire"needed by an OL, or that he did something to get into the coaches doghouse. Whatever the reason, he was removed from the team, and for the same reason, hasn't been asked back on the team after Charles Spencer was injurued for the season.
 
I dunno, this is the biggest thing that annoys me. When our LT went down we went out and signed a Guard. I remember a while back Kubiak had made the comment that you always wanted four tackles on your team. I find this rather hypocritical becaus now he's refusing to suit up more than two tackles. I mean had Salaam not come back in the Miami game I think we would have lost. Bedell had no business playing tackle. We got a solid guard rotation and if anything McKinney could handle C if anything had happened to Hodgdon. So why is it we still don't re-sign Wand? I mean it is simple logic, I don't care if Wand is the starter or the back-up point is if your not gonna suit up more than 2 tackles a game your setting yourself up for failure. We dodged the bullet @ Miami, but the schedule doesn't let up. I think not re-signing Wand or any other tackle for that matter is a mistake, one that we may end up regreting.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I dunno, this is the biggest thing that annoys me. When our LT went down we went out and signed a Guard. I remember a while back Kubiak had made the comment that you always wanted four tackles on your team. I find this rather hypocritical becaus now he's refusing to suit up more than two tackles. I mean had Salaam not come back in the Miami game I think we would have lost. Bedell had no business playing tackle. We got a solid guard rotation and if anything McKinney could handle C if anything had happened to Hodgdon. So why is it we still don't re-sign Wand? I mean it is simple logic, I don't care if Wand is the starter or the back-up point is if your not gonna suit up more than 2 tackles a game your setting yourself up for failure. We dodged the bullet @ Miami, but the schedule doesn't let up. I think not re-signing Wand or any other tackle for that matter is a mistake, one that we may end up regreting.
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I have said much of the same. It was like 30 seconds over Tokyo. We were that close to an implosion. Yes, he continues to say he will only suit up 7 O-linemen, because we have too many problems elsewhere. I'm not certain he can find 7 O-linemen at the present time. As Parcells would say, I don't have to like you and you don't have to like me, all you have to do is play ball and we will get along.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I dunno, this is the biggest thing that annoys me. When our LT went down we went out and signed a Guard. I remember a while back Kubiak had made the comment that you always wanted four tackles on your team. I find this rather hypocritical becaus now he's refusing to suit up more than two tackles. I mean had Salaam not come back in the Miami game I think we would have lost. Bedell had no business playing tackle. We got a solid guard rotation and if anything McKinney could handle C if anything had happened to Hodgdon. So why is it we still don't re-sign Wand? I mean it is simple logic, I don't care if Wand is the starter or the back-up point is if your not gonna suit up more than 2 tackles a game your setting yourself up for failure. We dodged the bullet @ Miami, but the schedule doesn't let up. I think not re-signing Wand or any other tackle for that matter is a mistake, one that we may end up regreting.
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I agree.
I like Kubes and am interested where he is leading our team but we cant have a coach sayin one thing and doing another. I mean we are Texan Fans...it's not like Kube's can hurt our feelings after the seasons we been through. He needs to not worry about being PC and just shoot straight with us.
Now if he woulda just said..."Seth Wand is below adequate at his postion, plus he called me a $%^&&* when we cut him...so you will never see him in a Texan uniform again."...
Then hey i can deal with that.
 
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