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Seen enough

Give it a rest. He batted that one ball down and got into the back field with a nice play almost immediately afterwards. Looks like he drew quite a bit of attention on a few other plays as well.

Give me an address and I'll have a Saints jersey sent over to you...
 
Goldeagle said:
Mario Williams was the wrong pick. Of course I speak for the 10% who wanted D Brick.
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wow, you learned all that from less than one game of play. DE is not a position that rookies usually come in and dominate. Ahhh actually I am going to stop right there. I was going to explain further, but you aren't worth the key strokes. I hear the Saints need some fans. Jump on board their forums.
 
the sky is falling the sky is falling! :francis: chill, second game of the preseason, bruce smith and reggie white started out slow too
 
I dont think he's starting out slow. They are lining him up next to Peek and Peek's already had two sacks. Coincidence? I think not. Mario makes the players around him better, knowledgeable football fans understand this.
 
BradK10 said:
I dont think he's starting out slow. They are lining him up next to Peek and Peek's already had two sacks. Coincidence? I think not. Mario makes the players around him better, knowledgeable football fans understand this.
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ok maybe not starting out slow, but it seems some were expecting him to come out and get 10 sacks a game or something
 
Unfortunately am in the land of Blue Star LOSERS, so am not watching game but am listening online and following on NFL.com. I hardly think that fact our D has registered 7 sacks in 7 quarters and our offensive line in 7 quarters has allowed ONLY 1 is a tremendous situation.

Onto this young man's Regie Reggie Rant, Mario Williams is reason we have those 7 sacks. Did he make them...NO, but like has been so ably explained he makes the defense better. When offensive coordinators and O-Line coaches focus on him it frees rest of defense


Q Which would you rather have 10 sacks by Mario to shut up talking heads at sports media and other various and sundry idiots OR would you rather have a defense that has forced several fumbles sacked QB 7 times and held opponents through 7 quarters to 17 points. DOH:fireball:
 
BigDTexansFan said:
Onto this young man's Regie Reggie Rant, Mario Williams is reason we have those 7 sacks. Did he make them...NO, but like has been so ably explained he makes the defense better. When offensive coordinators and O-Line coaches focus on him it frees rest of defense
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I hope you meant to say Mario Williams is a reason instead of the reason for those sacks. He's a reason for them, but he's not soley responsible for the good D-line play.
 
TexanSam said:
I hope you meant to say Mario Williams is a reason instead of the reason for those sacks. He's a reason for them, but he's not soley responsible for the good D-line play.
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OUCH next thing Miss Manners will critique way I am sitting
 
BigDTexansFan said:
OUCH next thing Miss Manners will critique way I am sitting
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Well in your original post you put "Williams is reason" so I don't know if you meant that he's the reason or a reason. Sorry, I didn't mean for it come out so harsh.
 
Smokedawg said:
Does it reall matter what he did? We won both of our games and to me that is ALL that matters.
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I think it does. Winning is nice, but the preseason isn't just about winning like the regular season. In the preseason, you like to see players improve. So yes I believe it does matter.
 
Goldeagle said:
Mario Williams was the wrong pick. Of course I speak for the 10% who wanted D Brick.
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"Marty!"

"Doc! What's wrong!"

"We have to go back to April 29th, 2006!"

"But why, Doc?"

"The Texans are about to pick Mario Williams! We must change that!"

"Doc, they're doing just fine........wait.........so you're telling me you made a time machine......out of a DeLorean?"
 
As compared to last game, #90 got a lot more action, pressure and disruptive play. I did notice he was doubled also.
 
But as Weaver said in the interview with Bob that Williams is and was trying too hard to make plays... So it is going to take time, I thought he did better this game than he did the last game.. He made a great stop in the backfield. Honestly it is a learning step week in and week out. He will be fine! I still think we made the right choice.
 
come on guys give peek the credit for making plays that guys flying all over the field showing great speed and athleticism and you guys are searching for a way to give credit to williams come on.....
 
veazeyt said:
As compared to last game, #90 got a lot more action, pressure and disruptive play. I did notice he was doubled also.
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Really? I didn't seem much double teaming, but then again I couldn't really tell where he was lined up most of the time. I do think I saw him double teamed on occasion, but I saw more one on one. I think he got the better of the offensive lineman he was lined up against more often than not. While that doesn't mean he's necessarily going to get to the QB depending on the play, but I think he'll be putting on more pass rush as the games go by.

cbnjwill said:
come on guys give peek the credit for making plays that guys flying all over the field showing great speed and athleticism and you guys are searching for a way to give credit to williams come on.....
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This is a thread about Mario Williams...
 
Yeah, he would get doubled and has time progressed in a play they would peal off, I only was able to notice in the replays. But I am rewatching the first half right now. To see if there is more.
 
Goldeagle said:
Mario Williams was the wrong pick. Of course I speak for the 10% who wanted D Brick.
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We dont have a smiley face that adequately displays the amount of pointing and laughing, and ridicule, that i want to bestow upon you.

So instead, here is a dancing chicken.

:chicken:
 
And I see D brick SLAM 2 guys on a block. Heh, Mario gets double teamed, D birck levels 2 guys.

I hope you guys are right about him.
 
Watching the game over, Mario was in several stunts and I even saw him drop back in back field on a blitz package.
 
cbnjwill said:
come on guys give peek the credit for making plays that guys flying all over the field showing great speed and athleticism and you guys are searching for a way to give credit to williams come on.....
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Peek gets his props dont worry about that. Its just nice to see mario progress its our common goal as texans fans.
 
cbnjwill said:
come on guys give peek the credit for making plays that guys flying all over the field showing great speed and athleticism and you guys are searching for a way to give credit to williams come on.....
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You need to go back and watch tape of Mario getting double-teamed out in space while Peek went inside and got the sack on at least one occassion.
 
Mario was pulled during a series where Bulger, Bulger was sacked at the end of that series when the Texans sent all three LBs on a blitz.
 
There was a play were Mario got doubled and he ended up battin the ball down on that one.

Sorry, I am just rewatching the defensive plays that involved Mario!


The next play, Mario penetrated on a run play and tackled for a loss.
 
I will not try to give credibility to the topic by sayin mario was double-teamed. I will state this he has played in two games and has progressed. What exactly does Mario have to do to be worth the same or more than DBrick, VY, or Reggie?

They are all rookies and will have rookie moments. Please, at least wait until after the first regular season game to judge an NFL rookies entire career. :sarcasm: That being said I thought Mario did a wonderful job.
 
disaacks3 said:
You need to go back and watch tape of Mario getting double-teamed out in space while Peek went inside and got the sack on at least one occassion.
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This is something that I want to keep an eye on real close. As should everyone else. And that the ability of Mario to make other DE/LBs jobs easier while Mario is learning the ropes.

And gradually, as Mario gets better. He'll be able to get more tackles or disrupt the QB even when he IS doubled.

I mean, even Pro-bowl DEs sometimes only get 1 sack the whole game. But if you break down the game tape... you'll notice that some defensive players are soooo disruptive that it makes the opponents offensive struggle; which doesn't always show up in the stats; and all this from ONE GUY!

I keep wondering how much we'll need Mario and Peak when we have the lead against the Peyton Manning and we have to STOP THEM just ONE LAST POSSESSSION. Talk about hard! Leads aren't worth crap if you can stop the opposing team in the last 2 minutes.

Can you imagine how much Peak will love his job this year?
 
Reggie Bush was the wrong pick for our football team. We've got 2 backs that are more than capable in Morency and Lundy, not to mention DD when he gets healthy.

Vince Young was the wrong pick for our football team. Carr and Sage are gonna do more to help this team win in the here and now than Vince Young can. Also, Vince's "potential" is large, but how often does a running QB meet or exceed his "potential"?

GO MARIO!!!:fireball:
 
Mario looked good tonight. That play where he threw off TWO guys double teaming him and still managed to bat down that pass was awesome. I have the game on DVR and watched that play a few times. The bottom line is the defense is looking MUCH better.

BTW, when I saw the title of this thread I thought it would be about David Carr.
 
Imagine playing the Indianapolis Colts, up by 14 points...start of the 4th.

4th Quarter, 15:00 to go (a lifetime)

Texans: 28
Colts: 14

How did we get the lead? Giving the ball to Bush and have him improvise and create on his own. Hey, might as well count on him since he's such a "star" right? Reminds me of the Campbell days (one star to lead them; NOT!).

No Mario. So, now our DE/DTs jobs are harder. As are the LB/safety's jobs. And CBs. The D-line struggles to put pressure on the QB. And Peyton Manning picks us apart and drives his team 80 yards for FG. Oh, and because or D is so average. We'll need to just give the ball to Bush amost every play, right? He's Jesus, remember? Makes you wonder how we'd expect to put our "star" offensive player against the Colts WR, WR, RB, FB, TE, all picking us apart like a well oiled machine.

Wash, rinse, repeat...

Texans: 28
colts: 17 (FG)

Texans: 28
Colts: 24 (TD/EP)

Texans: 28
Colts: 31 (TD/EP)

End of Game
 
It hasn't been mentioned yet that the 1st string D allowed only about 30 rushing yards in the first half. I'm quite sure that he was part of the line that accomplished this.:mario:
 
must say that was pretty funny senario you created. keep trying to convince yourself they made the right move. you really think that colts game would definately go that way dont you... i know defense wins championships and mario is making the other defensive players better. we dont need a high priced runningback in this system.by the way since your predicting the colts game this yr. who wins the superbowl and how many wins will the texans have?
 
cbnjwill said:
must say that was pretty funny senario you created. keep trying to convince yourself they made the right move. you really think that colts game would definately go that way dont you... i know defense wins championships and mario is making the other defensive players better. we dont need a high priced runningback in this system.by the way since your predicting the colts game this yr. who wins the superbowl and how many wins will the texans have?
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Did you read my post?

You say, "we don't need a high priced runningback" yet in the same sentence you accuse me of trying to convince myself that "we" made the right move?

Uh, ok...

And yes, I do think that "that colts game would definately go that way," considering they have done it before. And not just against the Texans. And not having Mario would make the possibility of that loss even more probable. And that's what I was trying to say. It's not a mystical prediction.

Now, considering that I was talking about the Colts offense vs our defense (if we didn't have Mario). I'd suggest that you don't inflate what I was trying to say. Lets stay on topic here.
 
seriously i think your giving williams too much credit. this defens was going to be better this yr with or without mario. granted i think our defense will be better with mario than without saying that a colt game would be so much different beause we now have mario is a big reach. theres alot of new players on the defense this yr and more importantly theres a new coaching staff and a new attitude.mario should and has to make an impact on this team this yr. but lets not make him out to be the next lawerence taylor, a hall of famer who has completly changed this defense in two preseason games
 
cbnjwill said:
seriously i think your giving williams too much credit. this defens was going to be better this yr with or without mario. granted i think our defense will be better with mario than without saying that a colt game would be so much different beause we now have mario is a big reach. theres alot of new players on the defense this yr and more importantly theres a new coaching staff and a new attitude.mario should and has to make an impact on this team this yr. but lets not make him out to be the next lawerence taylor, a hall of famer who has completly changed this defense in two preseason games
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Well, put it this way. Reggie White or not. Not having him we'd be worse off.

But I can't believe you can't see his talent. I mean, it's raw power and speed right now. He lacks the technique..that's all. Listen, come back at the end of the season and you'll view what I've said to be more accurate than you believe it to be now.

From what I've seen in the last 10 years regarding Super Bowl teams. We're on the right track. I don't want to be the Detroit Lions part 2. I'd rather be the NE Patriots.

Oh, and the real test will be this year when we play the Colts. Right? Sunday, Sep 17 2006, Texans @ Colts, and Sunday, Dec 24 2006, Colts @ Texans
 
Is everyone getting as tired of reading the same thing over and over again. This is going to continue after every game too! All I have to say is that our star cornerback struggled in the preseason and throughout his firts year. He was even benched, yet he seems to have eveloved into a pretty solid player. Guess what, it doesn't happen over night
 
With all of the tinkering and rotations that have been going on already on the D-line, I can't imagine not having a guy like Mario Williams on our team at this point.

Someone made a point about how good our run defense was earliar, kudos!
We stuffed Stephen Jackson big time, and Mario is in or near a couple of those plays. Stephen Jackson is supposed to be a groomed RB to breakout this year, but yesterday he just broke down.
 
How many tackles and sacks does an above average DE make in a regular season game?

Come on you brilliant prognosticators who know all after 3 quarters of a pre season football. I'm waiting. I'll give you a few hours to figure it out and time to eat crow before I am back with the answer.
 
I think it is time to admit that Mario Williams is a mistake. I realize that we have only seen him play for less than one game, but I really feel that if we had drafted Ferguson or Bush that we would be able to run the ball at will and we'd probably be undefeated.
 
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