bah007
Hall of Fame
Maybe the guy knew that shooting the femoral artery would be a way more painful way to die.
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Sean Taylor dies after being shot in Leg at Miami Home
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Maybe the guy knew that shooting the femoral artery would be a way more painful way to die.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Yeah, but a guy can survive it, which makes it something a pro wouldn't do.
The typical "Buckwheat" (and painful and brutal contract killing) is horrific and long lasting, but a sure kill. Think a gun up your ass
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
So you are a professional burglar who knows the house may have people in it and if you didn't think people were in it, they left a bedroom locked?So instead of getting the TVs from the TV rooms,...you know, sneaking around.. you decide you want the one in the bedroom that is locked so you KICK the door down?
No one said he was a professional killer. People dupe idiots into killing for them all the time. Not all people who shoot are trained killers. If you kick in a door and shoot then you are just trying to hit the person......oh yeah and this follows another breakin with nothing gone and a knife left in the same room.
Sorry, your story is more out of the way and nowhere near 90%
Tedc
Hardheaded
I think it looks more to what Dreadhead was saying. Maybe a jealous ex-boyfriend, possibly something more elaberate. The shot wasn't in an area that I would consider the leg and seems like the shooter may have had some reason to shoot low (groin).
I was reading a link that stated that he heard a noise in the house, grabbed his machette, and locked the bedroom door before it was broken into. Doesn't sound like the shooter was looking for a plasma.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/27/AR2007112700538.html?hpid=topnews
indiantexan
Waterboy
Sean Taylor did have a violent past but had apparently cleaned up his act after the birth of his daughter. Nevertheless, he was a great player and the game of football is poorer with his loss. Rip Sean Taylor
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
You've heard of home invasions right?
Kick in the door, hold people at gunpoint, get the money.
Guy get's suprised, fires off a shot or two and runs. Happens all the time.
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
I agree with Kastofsna. I posted this earlier this morning. It got buried but I think it is worth repeating at this point.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
men don't shoot other men in the groin.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
True Apple.. But I have also heard of home invasions for other reasons too. For example: Drug deals, gambling debts, etc. where the invaders intent is not to rob or kill the victim but to hurt them. A misplaced shot in the leg, could lead to undesirable results.
Not saying thats what happened at all, I am just saying that if you (or anybody) want to speculate, you have to be open to whole lot of different theories.
Tedc
Hardheaded
Man law.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
wow, horrible day. Taylor was easily the most entertaining safties in the NFL. And he was only 24.
glad to know there are so many captain obviouses here to say sean should have picked his friends better. pat yourself on the back and shut the f--- up.
glad to know there are so many captain obviouses here to say sean should have picked his friends better. pat yourself on the back and shut the f--- up.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Anything could have happened.
I do know that when you rob someone you don't kick doors in. You don't make any noise at all. The robber is worried about someone being home the whole time, even if the house was well watched before the robbery was commenced. Robbers just never know when they are in the clear, and most experienced robbers listen for noise within the house before putting themselves in a situation to be seen.
Also, any SMART robbery on a house like Taylor's is going to be well planned. There are too many valuables to take if people are in the house. This isn't like getting your 1 or 2 bedroom apartment broken into, where robbers don't care to know if anyone is home. If they were trying to rob Taylor successfully, watching his house would have been the first thing they would have done. Surveillance on the house for days, probably more like weeks before the robbery takes place.
I'm not trying to push any scenario but a robbery on a house like Taylor's would not have gone down like this MOST times.
The1ApplePie, of the robberies you speak of how many are on multi-million dollar homes? What robber breaks into a multi-million dollar home, with a millionaire owner, and starts kicking doors down? Especially if he knows he can be overpowered by Taylor pretty easily if caught off guard. Either a really, really dumb robber, or not a robber at all.
Just my
on motive.
I do know that when you rob someone you don't kick doors in. You don't make any noise at all. The robber is worried about someone being home the whole time, even if the house was well watched before the robbery was commenced. Robbers just never know when they are in the clear, and most experienced robbers listen for noise within the house before putting themselves in a situation to be seen.
Also, any SMART robbery on a house like Taylor's is going to be well planned. There are too many valuables to take if people are in the house. This isn't like getting your 1 or 2 bedroom apartment broken into, where robbers don't care to know if anyone is home. If they were trying to rob Taylor successfully, watching his house would have been the first thing they would have done. Surveillance on the house for days, probably more like weeks before the robbery takes place.
I'm not trying to push any scenario but a robbery on a house like Taylor's would not have gone down like this MOST times.
The1ApplePie, of the robberies you speak of how many are on multi-million dollar homes? What robber breaks into a multi-million dollar home, with a millionaire owner, and starts kicking doors down? Especially if he knows he can be overpowered by Taylor pretty easily if caught off guard. Either a really, really dumb robber, or not a robber at all.
Just my
on motive.
Brando
Hall of Fame
Yes that is what I have heard as well. If he was out late at night then that would be a different story but he was at home with his girlfriend and daughter. This just blew me away this morning. He was only 24! I am saddened to hear he lost his life. He was way to young.
RIP Sean.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Some people need to step off their high horse. Speculation in this thread doesn't make anyone a bad person. It is a topic on every sports radio station and on every website. I've yet to see anyone here say the guy deserved it. Everyone has said nice things. However, part of the story is the guys past. They go part and parcel with everything else. Since there are stories floating around it is a valid topic of discussion. It doesn't take away from the tragedy. Sad story with people asking questions. So step down off your soapboxes and stop acting like your above it all. Hope your rants made you feel superior for the day.
austintexanite
Rookie
My condolences to his family and the Redskins organization. Truly sad.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
I will be completely honest ............ It is not a complete shock to me that Apple is taking his stance what so ever, going by his past history he will find every excuse in the book that there was nothing out of the ordinary on this even if God himself said seriously there is something afoot.
Oh by the way I have never, ever heard of a home invasion where it is one criminal, never!! Everytime there is a home invasion it is multiple invaders not one who shoot after kicking in a door and running.
I am neither dumb or naive to think that there is not something that is a little out of whack here. Now I am not saying taylor is the reason it is out of whack but there is something more fishy here than a sushi bar.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
S. Taylor rookie season highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0rEv6Gfk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0rEv6Gfk8
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
i don't care about speculation, i just think the ultra-specific details and pretending to know something about what it means to be a professional burglar is just nonsense.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Well, that I have no clue on. I don't know any professional burglars or shooters and haven't seen any film on either. I just know that if I wanted to steal your old Csonka autographed jersey from its glass case, I sure would start in your game room and not kick in your bedroom door. You could have nunchucks for all I know.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
alphajoker
Veteran
Thanks for the link. It kind of made me upset to know that he had the potential to be special player and instead now, he's dead. We will never know.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
right, because all variations and regurgitations of "live by the gun, die by the gun" are so substantive and necessary for the thread to continue.
back at ya.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
90% of the thread has nothing to do with that and is a simple conversation on whether people think something went awry compared to a simple burglary. RIF might help.
Back at what?The fact that I don't like having people act like they are so much cooler by throwing out the f bomb and telling posters to shut up?Get over yourself. People can have civil discourse without telling people to "shut the f up."
rollinstone18
let it bleed
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I really don't think this has anything to do with Sean being a "thug", from everything that's coming out it sounds like he was on the right path.
I mean Dunta Robinson is not a thug and let's face it........we were one pull of a trigger away from this being a "Dunta Robinson dies after being shot in the head at his Houston home" Thread.
Curtis Martin wasn't a thug and was considered one of the nicest human beings in the league.......he had a gun pointed at his head and the trigger pulled.......luckily the gun jammed.
I was just watching NFL Live and they were talking about what steps the league is trying to take and they were talking about how the league encourages players not to have guns and stay away from them..............sorry, but if I was a player and watched what has gone down in the past year between Darrent Williams, Dunta Robinson, and now Sean Taylor...........I'm packing heat and if I hear a bump in the night, I'm shooting first and asking questions later. If you can't feel safe in your own damn house where can you feel safe at. These athletes are targets and if I was one, I would reserve the right to protect myself and my family......screw what anybody else has to say about it.
I mean Dunta Robinson is not a thug and let's face it........we were one pull of a trigger away from this being a "Dunta Robinson dies after being shot in the head at his Houston home" Thread.
Curtis Martin wasn't a thug and was considered one of the nicest human beings in the league.......he had a gun pointed at his head and the trigger pulled.......luckily the gun jammed.
I was just watching NFL Live and they were talking about what steps the league is trying to take and they were talking about how the league encourages players not to have guns and stay away from them..............sorry, but if I was a player and watched what has gone down in the past year between Darrent Williams, Dunta Robinson, and now Sean Taylor...........I'm packing heat and if I hear a bump in the night, I'm shooting first and asking questions later. If you can't feel safe in your own damn house where can you feel safe at. These athletes are targets and if I was one, I would reserve the right to protect myself and my family......screw what anybody else has to say about it.
I read on the Ranch that due to some problems Taylor had in 2005, that he was not to be in possession of firearms. It appears he was obeying the law.
I recall that when Dunta Robinson was robbed at gunpoint, there was also speculation about the nature of that incident.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
that would be sad if he had to give up his 2nd Amendment rights and that ultimately may have damned him to being murdered. him not having legal access to guns was his fault, but him being murdered sure isn't.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I don't remember any speculation at all, he was robbed and they later caught the guy with his watch.........he was a victim of a common robbery.
YellerLotYeller
nice marmot
WOW......a guy in my office just said he was glad it was a Redskin. Typical cowgirl fan....funny thing he is a nice old man, I thought.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Here are some details from Sean Taylor's attorney:
Sharpstein said that from the time of the attack, Taylor never regained consciousness.
"There was a brief moment where a nurse felt him squeeze her hand but that was false hope," the attorney said.
He called Taylor's death "completely tragic and unnecessary violence" and said he would be sorely missed.
"People loved him and he will be long missed by many, many people -- not just his fans, but the family and friends that knew him well," Sharpstein said.
At 1:45 a.m. Monday, a woman identified as Taylor's girlfriend called 911 and said someone had been shot. Taylor was airlifted to Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital.
Sharpstein said Taylor's girlfriend told police what happened as she was hiding under bedcovers during the attack.
"Sean was awakened with his girlfriend and 18-month old baby," Sharpstein said. There were "noises, thumps in the living room." Taylor "got up and locked the bedroom door. Before he could do anything, the door was kicked in and two shots were fired -- one hit him in the leg, one went into the wall."
Taylor "was on the floor, non-responsive, bleeding out and chest heaving, eyes rolled back and he was pretty much gone from that point on," Sharpstein said.
Taylor's girlfriend "tried to call 911 and it's unclear whether the phone lines were cut or the phone was broken or off or unplugged or turned off," said Sharpstein. "She had to use her cell phone to eventually call 911."
"Whether this was a purposeful action in taking Sean's life or in shooting him or whether it was a burglary gone awry, the police are still investigating those circumstances," Sharpstein said.
The attorney said Taylor was home unexpectedly due to an injury, and "no one expected him there."
"I think he was surprised or they were surprised to find him there," Sharpstein said.
link
Sharpstein said that from the time of the attack, Taylor never regained consciousness.
"There was a brief moment where a nurse felt him squeeze her hand but that was false hope," the attorney said.
He called Taylor's death "completely tragic and unnecessary violence" and said he would be sorely missed.
"People loved him and he will be long missed by many, many people -- not just his fans, but the family and friends that knew him well," Sharpstein said.
At 1:45 a.m. Monday, a woman identified as Taylor's girlfriend called 911 and said someone had been shot. Taylor was airlifted to Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital.
Sharpstein said Taylor's girlfriend told police what happened as she was hiding under bedcovers during the attack.
"Sean was awakened with his girlfriend and 18-month old baby," Sharpstein said. There were "noises, thumps in the living room." Taylor "got up and locked the bedroom door. Before he could do anything, the door was kicked in and two shots were fired -- one hit him in the leg, one went into the wall."
Taylor "was on the floor, non-responsive, bleeding out and chest heaving, eyes rolled back and he was pretty much gone from that point on," Sharpstein said.
Taylor's girlfriend "tried to call 911 and it's unclear whether the phone lines were cut or the phone was broken or off or unplugged or turned off," said Sharpstein. "She had to use her cell phone to eventually call 911."
"Whether this was a purposeful action in taking Sean's life or in shooting him or whether it was a burglary gone awry, the police are still investigating those circumstances," Sharpstein said.
The attorney said Taylor was home unexpectedly due to an injury, and "no one expected him there."
"I think he was surprised or they were surprised to find him there," Sharpstein said.
link
Yes, there is always one attached to every team, and the one that gets the publicity for the group. I have spent a great deal of time at the Ranch today, that out of eight pages of posts only two made insensitive comments. Both have been banned. The Redskins are our true rivals, but in times like this, we have come together and shown more compassion than most could possibly understand. It's almost like fighting brothers until something happens to one of them.
YellerLotYeller
nice marmot
I can understand that completely.
If this happened to a Titan, I would feel horrible the same way I do for Taylor and his family.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
. if you feel like lecturing me some more, pm me instead.
Its not a lecture. I have nothing against you and don't hold grudges on here. For all I know we agree on alot. I just don't think many on here like to be berated and told to "shut the F#$% up." Call me crazy.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm just curious--did the girlfriend put on or try to put on a tourniquet?
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Some moron you work with said that about a man losing his life? Wow what a vinegar and water filled feminine hygene product.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
From where it sounds like the injury was at it was probably impossible to put on a tourniquet..........however if she stuck her fingers into the wound and kept pressure on it she probably could've saved his life.
Revolution
Rookie
RIP Sean.
hot pickle
Canada Eh
RIP sean
Who knows. Arteries like the femoral are so hard to live through even if you are working with experts. A terrified young woman who most likly has little to no first aid experience. Its unlikly to have changed the outcome. Im no doctor or anything, but I dont think she could have done much.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
No clue, good question. I think with the amount of blood you'd lose with that artery it probably would have been tough but any amount helps/
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I was reading that in one of the robberies the thieves took apart his AC vents looking for hidden 'stuff' - there is much more to this story than we know right now.
no, and it wasn't a smartass remark. The people you hang with often define you as well or better than you define yourself. That said, I was too flip and didn't understand the serious nature of this at the start of the thread. I took down my comment out of respect for everyone here and for Sean Taylor.
That's really not needed. It's a tragedy now that he is dead. I think most of us understand that it is a sad day even if some of us never liked his lifestyle in the past. He was a great player and seemed to have his life turned around. It's a horrible story no matter how you slice it.
good post
He already was a special player and was on his way to the HOF as his best days were in front of him.
yep.Its not a lecture. I have nothing against you and don't hold grudges on here. For all I know we agree on alot. I just don't think many on here like to be berated and told to "shut the F#$% up." Call me crazy.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Every game this weekend will have a moment of silence and the Redskins will wear a patch ................... I am not trying to trash the guy but there are a ton of unanswered questions, this reminds me so much of how the Benoit situation played out.
Doing anything while questions are abound is just plain nutz.
Doing anything while questions are abound is just plain nutz.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Are you saying you have an issue with the moment of silence and the patch because his death/murder is unsolved or because of the circumstances?
Regardless one of their own passed away - they should honor their memory regardless if they were a Saint.
