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Scoutsnotebook.com Mock Draft 3/18

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Matt_Alkire

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Hey guys,

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After the picks I'll have some thoughts on the Houston picks if you want to read why I did what I did. :)

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Round 1

1. Houston- Reggie Bush, RB Southern Cal
2. New Orleans- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, LT Virginia
3. Tennessee- Matt Leinart, QB Southern Cal
4. NY Jets- Mario Williams, DE NC State
5. Green Bay- AJ Hawk, OLB Ohio State
6. San Francisco- Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
7. Oakland- Vince Young, QB Texas
8. Buffalo- Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
9. Detroit- Michael Huff, DB Texas
10. Arizona- Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
11. St.Louis- Tye Hill, CB Clemson
12. Cleveland- Ernie Sims, ROLB Florida State
13. Baltimore- Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida State
14. Philadelphia- Santonio Holmes, WR/KR Ohio State
15. Atlanta- Jimmy Williams, CB VaTech
16. Miami- Chad Jackson, WR Florida
17. Minnesota- D'Qwell Jackson, MLB Maryland
18. Dallas- Bobby Carpenter, OLB Ohio State
19. San Diego- Winston Justice, LT Southern Cal
20. Kansas City- Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
21. New England- DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
22. Denver(f/Was)- Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
23. Tampa Bay- Marcus McNeill, OT Auburn
24. Cincinnati- Kamerion Wimbley, DE Florida State
25. NY Giants- Eric Winston, OT Miami
26. Chicago- Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio State
27. Carolina- Darnell Bing, SS Southern Cal
28. Jacksonville- Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
29. Denver- Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
30. Indianapolis- LenDale White, RB Southern Cal
31. Seattle- Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
32. Pittsburgh- Jason Allen, CB/FS Tennessee

Round 2

33. Houston- Jonathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
34. New Orleans- DeMeco Ryans, OLB Alabama
35. NY Jets- Manny Lawson, OLB NC State
36. Green Bay- Brian Calhoun, RB Wisconsin
37. Oakland- Darryl Tapp, DE VaTech
38. San Francisco- Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
39. Tennessee- Daniel Bullocks, SS Nebraska
40. Detroit- Thomas Howard, OLB UTEP
41. Arizona- Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
42. Buffalo- Ko Simpson, FS South Carolina
43. Cleveland- Abdul Hodge, ILB Iowa
44. Baltimore- Cedric Griffin, CB Texas
45. Philadelphia- Claude Wroten, DT LSU
46. St.Louis- John McCargo, DT NC State
47. Atlanta- Daryn Colledge, LT Boise State
48. Minnesota- Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
49. Dallas- Charles Spencer, OG Pittsburgh
50. San Diego- Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
51. Minnesota(f/Mia)- Charlie Whitehurst, QB Clemson
52. New England- Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon
53. Washington- Davin Joseph, OG Oklahoma
54. Kansas City- Derek Hagan, WR Arizona State
55. Cincinnati- Anthony Fasano, TE Notre Dame
56. NY Giants- Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
57. Chicago- Leonard Pope, TE Georgia
58. Carolina- Jonathan Scott, OT Texas
59. Tampa Bay- Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn State
60. Jacksonville- Joseph Addai, RB LSU
61. Denver- Mike Hass, WR Oregon State
62. Indianapolis- Jesse Mahelona, DT Tennessee
63. Seattle- Max Jean-Gilles, OG Georgia
64. Pittsburgh- Brandon Marshall, WR Central Florida

Round 3

65. Houston- Anthony Smith, S Syracuse
66. Houston(f/NO)- Rob Sims, OG Ohio State
67. Green Bay- Babatunde Oshinowo, DT Stanford
68. San Francisco- Mark Anderson, OLB Alabama
69. Oakland- Gabe Watson, DT Michigan
70. Buffalo(f/Ten)- Ryan O'Callaghan, OT California
71. NY Jets- Andrew Whitworth, OT LSU
72. Arizona- Dominique Byrd, TE Southern Cal
73. Buffalo- Greg Jennings, WR Western Michigan
74. Detroit- Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
75. New England(f/Bal)- Chris Gocong, LB Cal Poly
76. Philadelphia- Charles Gordon, CB/PR Kansas
77. St.Louis- Joel Klopfenstein, TE Colorado
78. Cleveland- Stanley McClover, OLB Auburn
79. Atlanta- Maurice Drew, RB UCLA
80. Dallas- Pat Watkins, FS Florida State
81. San Diego- Rocky McIntosh, ILB Miami
82. Miami- DeMario Minter, CB Georgia
83. Minnesota- Jonathan Lewis, DT VaTech
84. San Francisco(f/Wash)- Cory Rodgers, WR/RS TCU
85. Kansas City- Brody Croyle, QB Alabama
86. New England- Will Blackmon, CB Boston College
87. NY Giants- Orien Harris, DT Miami
88. Chicago- Nate Salley, S Ohio State
89. Carolina- TJ Williams, TE NC State
90. Tampa Bay- Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
91. Cincinnati- Greg Blue, SS Georgia
92. Jacksonville- Gerald Riggs Jr, RB Tennessee
93. Denver- Mark Setterstrom, OG Minnesota
94. Indianapolis- Travis Williams OLB Auburn
95. Seattle- Kevin Boothe, OG Cornell
96. Pittsburgh- Devin Hester, ATH Miami

As for Houston's picks.....

Obviously with the first pick it remains to be seen if Kubiak and Casserly trade the first pick. I doubt they will, unless they're made an offer they can't refuse. After the rumors came out that Kubiak was solid with Bush all of the sudden you heard that "they're weighing all options" which is usually Front Office speak for make us an awesome offer.

New Orleans becomes a wildcard. If they're truly renting Drew Brees then they could still go QB. Wayne Gandy is 35 at LT for them though.

There wasn't a LT at 33 that fit the blocking scheme for Houston. We don't toss players at teams just to make things look pretty if they don't fit. Jonathan Joseph is one hell of a CB prospect and could develop behind, and eventually push Buchanon into a Nickle role.

Again in the 3rd round, no LT prospects. Whitworth and OCal are both RT prospects in my opinion, although Whitworth at least has a chance to play LT for some teams. Smith is another pick that helps make the secondary a strength and Rob Sims is a very underrated player at OG. Moves well. Very good in space. Had experience at LT and LG at Ohio State. Setterstrom was tempting, but I think Sims is the better player and just as mobile.

By the way, I read what you guys have to say alot here, but don't post much. I enjoy seeing what fans have to say about the Texans. One thing to keep in mind about Kubiak and his OLine scheme....

Tom Nalen was a 7th rounder. Ben Hamilton was a 4th rounder. Matt Lepsis went completely undrafted. Denver's best 3 Offensive Linemen all taken on the second day or not at all. The only reason I bring it up is that that system is very odd. There can be 7th rounders that are more valuable to Kubiak then a 2nd rounder would be to Andy Reid or Bill Cowher. Just a different beast. I'm sure alot of you guys know that, but I felt it necessary to say.

Anyway, good luck with Jeb Putzier. You guys could use the TE and he's a nice player.

Have a great weekend.
 
Love Jonathan Joseph in 2nd....P-Buc is not the anwser at #2 CB. Don't know much about Anthony Smith,S...I'll to read up on him. Sims is ok...IMO.our interior line needs upgrading...Pitts is fine at LT. How about McIntosh at MLB?
 
I still don't see the Saints taking D'Brickashaw Ferguson over Mario Williams, especially after drafting Jammal Brown in the 1st round last year.

I think Cutler and Vince could easily be switched, but that one could go either way.

I wouldn't think Ernie Sims would go that high to a 3-4 team, I think Chad Greenway or Manny Lawson would likely be favored 3-4 LBs.

I don't see D'Qwell Jackson going in the mid 1st round.

I don't see Leonard Pope falling out of the 1st round, maybe Marcedes Lewis will, but I don't see it with Pope, especially being picked after Anthony Fasano.

Demetrius Williams and Brandon Marshall seem to be a little high in the draft.

I don't see Charlie Whitehurst going in the 2nd round or going before Omar Jacobs and Brodie Croyle.

Overall not bad, but you seem to have a decent amount of players that I would consider reaches at the picks you have them at.
 
MorKnolle said:
I still don't see the Saints taking D'Brickashaw Ferguson over Mario Williams, especially after drafting Jammal Brown in the 1st round last year.

I think Cutler and Vince could easily be switched, but that one could go either way.

I wouldn't think Ernie Sims would go that high to a 3-4 team, I think Chad Greenway or Manny Lawson would likely be favored 3-4 LBs.

I don't see D'Qwell Jackson going in the mid 1st round.

I don't see Leonard Pope falling out of the 1st round, maybe Marcedes Lewis will, but I don't see it with Pope, especially being picked after Anthony Fasano.

Demetrius Williams and Brandon Marshall seem to be a little high in the draft.

I don't see Charlie Whitehurst going in the 2nd round or going before Omar Jacobs and Brodie Croyle.

Overall not bad, but you seem to have a decent amount of players that I would consider reaches at the picks you have them at.
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So, drafting a RT would keep them from drafting a LT, but not from drafting a DE when they've got two very solid DEs starting for them already? Sorry, I can't say that makes sense to me.

Have to disagree on Ernie Sims. Reminds us alot of Greg Lloyd. He did ok playing ROLB.

Omar Jacobs is a marginal prospect. Can't disagree more there.

Demetrius Williams is late 1st on some value boards right now. That is fact. Sounded crazy to me, but from talking and emailing with some people around the community he has really shot up. Tyrone Calico was a 4th rounder that went in the 2nd due to size. Brandon could do the same very easily.
 
Matt_Alkire said:
So, drafting a RT would keep them from drafting a LT, but not from drafting a DE when they've got two very solid DEs starting for them already? Sorry, I can't say that makes sense to me.

Have to disagree on Ernie Sims. Reminds us alot of Greg Lloyd. He did ok playing ROLB.

Omar Jacobs is a marginal prospect. Can't disagree more there.

Demetrius Williams is late 1st on some value boards right now. That is fact. Sounded crazy to me, but from talking and emailing with some people around the community he has really shot up. Tyrone Calico was a 4th rounder that went in the 2nd due to size. Brandon could do the same very easily.
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Jammal Brown was not drafted at #13 (and cost them an extra 3rd round pick this year) to play RT for them, he was intended to play LT but as most rookie OTs he started out his career at RT and they had a pretty solid veteran in Wayne Gandy at LT. The Saints lost Darren Howard in free agency and there has been a lot of speculation that they would draft the 2nd best player in the draft in Mario Williams and move Charles Grant inside to DT. He would be able to move back outside to DE if either Will Smith or Mario gets injured.

Ernie Sims is small for a LB, especially a 3-4 OLB. I think he's a fine prospect but I don't see him fitting in a 3-4 as well as he would in a 4-3.

Omar Jacobs and Brodie Croyle are better prospects than Charlie Whitehurst, especially with him coming off his shoulder injury and not being able to throw much thusfar in this offseason.

I haven't seen that about Demetrius Williams, but I'll take your word on that. I haven't seen much out of him to warrant that high of a pick.
 
MorKnolle said:
Jammal Brown was not drafted at #13 (and cost them an extra 3rd round pick this year) to play RT for them, he was intended to play LT but as most rookie OTs he started out his career at RT and they had a pretty solid veteran in Wayne Gandy at LT. The Saints lost Darren Howard in free agency and there has been a lot of speculation that they would draft the 2nd best player in the draft in Mario Williams and move Charles Grant inside to DT. He would be able to move back outside to DE if either Will Smith or Mario gets injured.

Ernie Sims is small for a LB, especially a 3-4 OLB. I think he's a fine prospect but I don't see him fitting in a 3-4 as well as he would in a 4-3.

Omar Jacobs and Brodie Croyle are better prospects than Charlie Whitehurst, especially with him coming off his shoulder injury and not being able to throw much thusfar in this offseason.

I haven't seen that about Demetrius Williams, but I'll take your word on that. I haven't seen much out of him to warrant that high of a pick.
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Well, Jammal played RT in college. While he has some athleticism, I somewhat doubt he'd be moved to LT although, he certainly could be. I could make the same argument for Shawn Andrews. Obviously the Eagles didn't trade up to 15 to take an OG, but he's looked very solid there, so that's where he'll play. Your point is taken, however I certainly don't think they'd pass on Ferguson because Brown may be able to play LT. When a guy has been on the right side his entire career from college to the NFL you tend to leave him there. Not always true though obviously.

Charles Grant has been playing DE since he was at Georgia. Obviously he and Darren Howard flipped inside at times in passing situations to create mismatches, but I've heard nothing of a permanent move. Perhaps you read something I did not. To spend 3 1st round picks and the 1st pick of the 2nd round on Defensive End in a matter of 5 years sounds like a whole lot of overkill to me. That's essentially 4 of 5 first rounders in a row.

Greg Lloyd was small for an OLB in a 34. He's a Hall Of Fame player. To play ROLB in a 34 you need to be tough, fast and rush the passer. Those are Ernie's strongpoints. Not to mention Cleveland had an overwhelming presence at FSU's Pro Day. He interviewed with them afterwards and also had lunch with Bill Belichick, another 34 team. Smoke usually equals fire.

You're the first person I've heard refer to Croyle or Jacobs as a better prospect then Whitehurst. When I say that it's not a "you're wrong and everyone else is right statement" because writing what you think is the best quality someone can have in my book, but after watching Omar especially 7 times this year I'll take it into account, but have to disagree. Croyle is serviceable. Without Tyrone Prothro he was average at best this year. Omar Jacobs? Ouch. I wouldn't take him on the 1st day if a gun were put to my head. Push delivery, poor decision maker this year, really took a huge step backwards from his sophomore year. Very poor decision to come out early.

Williams averaged nearly 20 yards per catch this season for the Ducks. Pretty damn good if you ask me. Great downfield threat. Tough kid. Put up very solid numbers this year without Kellen Clemens. In a draft full of WRs without much speed, Demetrius brings the deep threat.
 
I'd rather see Cromartie at 33 if we were going to take a CB. I don't think you can pass on his size and speed.
 
Matt_Alkire said:
You're the first person I've heard refer to Croyle or Jacobs as a better prospect then Whitehurst. When I say that it's not a "you're wrong and everyone else is right statement" because writing what you think is the best quality someone can have in my book, but after watching Omar especially 7 times this year I'll take it into account, but have to disagree. Croyle is serviceable. Without Tyrone Prothro he was average at best this year. Omar Jacobs? Ouch. I wouldn't take him on the 1st day if a gun were put to my head. Push delivery, poor decision maker this year, really took a huge step backwards from his sophomore year. Very poor decision to come out early.
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Well, if he was the first, let me be the next. Croyle and Jacobs are both better than Whitehurst. Croyle was hurt and flew under the radar. Before last year, he had not put together a year like he was capable of. Croyle's top recievers were hurt during the year, but he has all the physical tools you ask a QB to have. He is on the same level as Jay Cutler to me. He just doesn't have the hype.

Jacobs is an interesting prospect. I am a supporter of his. He does have an odd motion, but it works. It's no worse than Vince Young's motion. He has ideal size, quick feet with good lateral movement, and excells at throwing on the run. To question his decision making is to question if you have actually watched his games. To expext him to duplicate his sophmore numbers or even excede them is to expect him to turn water into wine. He put up great numbers this year, on a below average team with minimal talent. He was hurt for a while, and that did contribute to his problems. He will throw the ball away before he makes a bad decision or a questionable throw. His motion may look awkard, but he can thread the needle better than most in the NFL right now. He does not have the perfect zip, but he has enough to make the throws. He gets a tight spiral and has great touch on downfield passes, while showing great control on intermediate routes.

IMO, this is how the QB's should be ranked:

1. Lienhert
2. Jacobs
3. Croyle
4. Young
5. Cutler
6. Whitehurst

This is based on numbers, upside, and natural talent not being overshadowed by hype or lack of talent surrounding them.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
To question his decision making is to question if you have actually watched his games.
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I'll just ignore that ignorant response and answer the question wrapped inside it.

Pop in the Boise State game from this year if you have it on tape or DVD. Omar's first two passes go into the hands of CBs. Infact, throughout the game he throws 9 or 10 passes that should have been picked off. Dan Hawkins needs to work on a tip drill or something up in Broncoland. Looking over to the sideline on every audible. Frantic. His first half was one of the most dreadful I've ever seen watching a QB play. Ever. Second half was better. Calmed down a bit. Night and day. Still inconsistent.

Pop in tape of the Wisconsin game. Looked very good. That's the 2nd rounder I thought he was last year. Poised in the pocket. Tight spiral. Very, very accurate. Good location on the ball. Not a great athlete, but can pick up some yards on the move. Hitting Steve Sanders and Charles Sharon with some great balls.

Flip the DVD of the Ohio game. His best friend was Dion Byrum (Ohio's CB). Picked off throwing a poor pass to Sharon. Threw another pass into double coverage and would have been picked had the safety not slammed into the CB. Nearly sacked, throws ball in air.

Toss in the Miami(Ohio) game. Looked borderline horrible. Terrible decision making. Threw 2 picks. Should have been more frankly.

The kid was brilliant in 2004. "Can't expect him to put up numbers like that"? I could careless about his stats. I care about his play. I care about him throwing the ball in front of his WR when the opponent is in press coverage like a dummy. I care about him throwing a dig route high and on the inside shoulder of a receiver when he's inside the hashmarks. I care about him looking so frazzled in the Boise State game that it was painful to watch him have to go through it.

Again, needs an extra year of college.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
IMO, this is how the QB's should be ranked:

1. Lienhert
2. Jacobs
3. Croyle
4. Young
5. Cutler
6. Whitehurst

This is based on numbers, upside, and natural talent not being overshadowed by hype or lack of talent surrounding them.
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That's fine. It's your opinion. I certainly wouldn't agree though.
 
Hi Fellas I am new to the board and a big draft fan. Matt was looking at your draft and it seemed good, but there were some reaches. Other than that good.

Just some thoughts in a good number of circles Broderick Bunkley has passed Ngata due to the fact he is much more athletc and is still very strong at the point of attack.

Ernie Sims is pretty small and eventhough is looked at as a OLB for the 34 most feel he fits better inside. I doubt a top flight coach like Crennel would go after a guy that is not going to get to the passer. They love Lawson and Ngata I would expect them to take one or the other.

NO is likely going to do everything to try and trade out, but when it comes right down to it, it is a toss up between Ferguson and Williams. Right now Williams has the edge because Grant is up to 295 and is a good fit as a 1 gap DT. He would be similar to Rocky Bernard.

Miami likely is not going to go Wr eventhough that is an interesting pick. I would think just from the rumblings round there is that they want OL or someone to help further the transisition to the 34. The Texans also like Manning from Abiliene and think he can play either CB or FS for them. Would be a gamble with having gone JJ which is the perfect pick for them in the 2nd. Look for them to really OL with one pick in the third, they are also likely to look for Chris Chester in the 4th or 5th.

Jacobs going that low has been commented alot, but Childress had people at his workouts and buzz is that he is a raw version of McNabb. Childress feels that if they cannot move up and grab one of the top 3 he is a Jacobs is a solid pick in the mid 2nd. I do agree that Whitehurst is above Croyle though, Croyle is built like a 12yr old.

Just a thought but the Texans would likely take Rocky McIntosh if he fell to them with the second pick in the third. Definately over Anthony Smith.

OK now sinorice Moss going lower than Maurice Stovall is just really reaching. Now I can see it as a possibility like NE taking him, but SD taking him when they already have Vincent Jackson a huge guy that is faster than Stovall is strange.

Also and this is my last thing Pitt would likely take Martin Nance over Brandon Marshall. Eventhough 2nd round is not to high for the kid. He reminds me alot of TO except maybe not as fast. He is one of those guys that is faster in Pads than out and he would be a sweet first or second pick in the Third to the Texans. Also, ther is absolutely no way Leonard Pope lasts that long, he is a first rounder and considered the second best TE in the draft Carolina, Cinci, or Chicago could all take him. I think it will be Carolina since they have spent so much on D in freeagency.
 
Matt_Alkire said:
That's fine. It's your opinion. I certainly wouldn't agree though.
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Thats ok, I respect the effort and opinions you have put forth on this board and your own site. A disagreement over one or three players is not that big of a deal.
 
YoungTexanFan not sure on your QB rankings. Jacobs is a poor man's Donvan McNabb and definately better than Whitehurst, but not second in the list. Cutler even though overly hyped has all the physical talents Jacobs has and likely a stronger arm. Honestly Whitehurst I probably below McNeal and the Furman kid to me. That shoulder injury took away what made him stand out to me.
 
PokerStar said:
YoungTexanFan not sure on your QB rankings. Jacobs is a poor man's Donvan McNabb and definately better than Whitehurst, but not second in the list. Cutler even though overly hyped has all the physical talents Jacobs has and likely a stronger arm. Honestly Whitehurst I probably below McNeal and the Furman kid to me. That shoulder injury took away what made him stand out to me.
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I give Jacobs the edge because he is more accurate and quicker on his feet. He also makes better decisions and does not have that riskey "gun-slinger" mentality. Cutler is an overhyped poor, poor mans Farve.
 
@Pokerstar....

Agreed on Bunkley. Think back to what Dick Jauron has had success with in his Cover 2. In Chicago he had Keith Traylor and Ted Washington. Not your typical Cover 2 DTs. Traylor goes 6'2" 340lbs and Washington goes 6'5" 370lbs. Buffalo has 2 guys to play the under tackle right now in Anderson and Tripplett. They could certainly take Bunkley, but Ngata would seem to be the type of player Dick likes, especially to play the nose. Again, not about who I think is better, but who I think they'd select.

I won't comment on Sims. We apparently disagree so much on his skillset that having a conversation about it would be moot. :)

Until I see a press release from New Orleans stating that Darren Howard is moving permanently to DT I don't see it as a possibility. Just my opinion though.

Miami just brought in David Givens and Terrell Owens to look at in free agency. Nick Saban has mentioned addressing WR in every interview I've seen this offseason as well as making the defensive front 7 younger.

I've watched Donovan for 10 years and don't see even a little bit of similiarity in McNabb and Jacobs. None. Again, my opinion. I mean, they're both black, but other then that I see nothing.

Are you replacing Kailee Wong or Marlon Greenwood with McIntosh? Or is it just for depth? I love Rocky, so I wouldn't be surprised for anyone to take him higher.

Sinorice Moss caught 65 balls for 1076 yards and 9 touchdowns in his entire career at Miami. Stovall caught 69 for 1149 yards and 11 TDs last season. I don't see the reach there, but again he could certainly go higher then Stovall. A reach? I just don't see that.

I see Nance as a 5th round guy. Not my cup of tea. Limited speed. Looked dreadful at the Senior Bowl. Our representative down in Mobile said he moped around the entire week and went half speed. Got chewed out on the sideline by a position coach. That's not good.

I'm in the minority on Leonard Pope. I understand that. When I see 5'10" Antarrious Williams blanket cover Pope on tape and outjump him for balls that scares the hell out of me. That said, I imagine he'll be drafted higher then I have him drafted. :)
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Thats ok, I respect the effort and opinions you have put forth on this board and your own site. A disagreement over one or three players is not that big of a deal.
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Of course not bro. :)

If people didn't disagree with me regularly I'd be upset. No point to doing all the damn tape watching if not. I'd feel like I'm wasting 40 hours a week of my time if everyone agreed with me.

By the way, I'm with you on Cutler to a point. I can't stand the kid. Nothing to do with his skillset. All the stuff with him and his Dad makes me wary. :brickwall
 
Matt it is not Darren Howard moving he is with Philly now which is probably why you mentioned him instead of Charles Grant. Grant had an off year this year as far as sacks and was well below the 10.5 he had the year before. Payton liked Glover and some of the new NO staff see Grant as a guy that could move their permanently. He plays DT pretty much every passing situation and he is solid against the run not to mention reportedly his weight is up to 295. Yeah I noticed the Greenway thing, but I figured you put Carpenter there instead of Greenway so I just let it ride. I hear ya on Stovall, but his limited speed, and the fact he is a little slow out of breaks, couple that with Moss just blowing most scouts away with his skill sets in workouts and he can return kicks, the kid is a solid high second rounder. Might even get Pitt to go after him in the bottom of the first but I doubt it. Yeah it is a reach on Nance, but past the attitude he is a solid guy, maybe second is too high but 3 or 4th likely. Also, I dont think we disagree that much on Ernie Sims, I think he would be quite good in the 34, just not pick 12 good, especially with Bunkley and Lawson still on the board. Liked the draft but like I said some reaches to me. But that is what it is all about in mocks reach and maybe get your team to get someone that should not fall....
 
Quick question before I go to work. Why do you have us going for Joseph over Simpson in the second round. FS is a greater need, and Simpson is better at his position than Joseph is at his.

I think Minter or Marshel in the 3rd round would be better than Smith. I like Simpson/Marshel better than Joseph/Smith.

One player I'm having a real trouble finding a legitiment spot for is Roderikus Wright from some JuCo. He played at Oregon for a while, and had sucess there. Your opinions?
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Quick question before I go to work. Why do you have us going for Joseph over Simpson in the second round. FS is a greater need, and Simpson is better at his position than Joseph is at his.

I think Minter or Marshel in the 3rd round would be better than Smith. I like Simpson/Marshel better than Joseph/Smith.

One player I'm having a real trouble finding a legitiment spot for is Roderikus Wright from some JuCo. He played at Oregon for a while, and had sucess there. Your opinions?
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I've heard of Roderkus, but know absolutely nothing about him. Sorry.

I just have Jonathan Joseph ranked a bit higher then Ko. Ko would be great there as well. Can't say I think Ko is much better then Jonathan is though.

Do you mean Marshall from Fresno? Can't say I'd want him in the 3rd round, but the Texans certainly could. I'm a big fan of Anthony Smith. Tough kid. Good ballskills.
 
Matt and YTF, Roderkus may not even be drafted, but I would guess the later rounds eventhough he is one of those boom/bust project guys. Jonathan Joseph plays DB which has a higher value than S. Ko is a good player, but his measurables against JJ's measurables make JJ the logical and likely more valued choice. Matt was wondering were do you see JJ going, I am finding it hard to get him out of the first round, eventhough I really want him, and what do you think the Jets will do with Atlanta's second, because I just dont see them giving up the 15 for Abraham. I was thinking the deal goes through for a second this year and a third or maybe second next year.
 
PokerStar said:
Matt and YTF, Roderkus may not even be drafted, but I would guess the later rounds eventhough he is one of those boom/bust project guys. Jonathan Joseph plays DB which has a higher value than S. Ko is a good player, but his measurables against JJ's measurables make JJ the logical and likely more valued choice. Matt was wondering were do you see JJ going, I am finding it hard to get him out of the first round, eventhough I really want him, and what do you think the Jets will do with Atlanta's second, because I just dont see them giving up the 15 for Abraham. I was thinking the deal goes through for a second this year and a third or maybe second next year.
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I hadn't watched alot of Joseph or Simpson until about a month ago. I watched SC this year, but more for Na'Shan Goddard and Jabari Levey. I rarely will watch an underclassmen until they've declared or are someone obvious like Reggie Bush.

I think Joseph is a guy that may really jump up the boards. I always like SC corners alot. LOVED Dunta Robinson when he came out. Joseph is a great tackler at the position and shows great speed. Think he could go as high as pick 20 to be frank.

I'm not sure Atlanta is going to end up getting Abraham. If they do, I expect them to work on their secondary in a big way.
 
I've resigned myself to believing that Reggie Bush will be the Texans pick, not just because he is the clear best player available or that the Texans went to the Bay Area and won the Bush bowl, its that he will give Kubes the weapon to spread the field, open up lanes and give David some relief in the backfield.

So far in FA the Texans have addressed the D-Line and WR position with starters with more deals pending I'm sure but I believe the Texans biggest need remains the Center position. Are the Jags set on taking Mangold with their 1st rd. pick? Don't know much about Joseph but if he is close to Dunta seems like good value and future need once P-buc is released or traded. Maybe the best strategy would be just to sit tight with the 2nd rd. pick and see who falls to the Texans, I would also not mind Marcus McNeil falling to the Texans if Mangold is gone and trading/release Todd Wade.

In the 3rd the Texans could project their future MLB like a Rocky McIntosh, U. then follow up with Anthony Smith this would certainly beef up the defensive side of the ball and by going playmaker (Bush) then OL in 2nd I feel this would best balance out the Texans needs on both sides of the ball :twocents:
 
i agree about bush
with our second pick i think if the following players are not there, we should trade down:
Eric Winston, Marcus McNeill, Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson
i would say sinorice moss but i'm not really sold on him

if those 4 guys aren't there, we trade down to mid2nd pick up a extra 3rd and get Johnathan Scott

then for our 3 3rd's we go Best WR available (Hagan, Demetrius Williams, Nance, Brandon Marshall)
Best MLB available (most likely McIntosh, Hodge DQwell)
Pat Watkins @FS,

then 4th round we go Alan Zemaitis@CB ,

5th round draft Chris Kuper OG

6th round draft James Anderson OLB

7th Kevin Walter
 
PokerStar said:
Matt and YTF, Roderkus may not even be drafted, but I would guess the later rounds eventhough he is one of those boom/bust project guys. Jonathan Joseph plays DB which has a higher value than S. Ko is a good player, but his measurables against JJ's measurables make JJ the logical and likely more valued choice. Matt was wondering were do you see JJ going, I am finding it hard to get him out of the first round, eventhough I really want him, and what do you think the Jets will do with Atlanta's second, because I just dont see them giving up the 15 for Abraham. I was thinking the deal goes through for a second this year and a third or maybe second next year.
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There is an excellent chance he won't be drafted, but his ceiling is so high it makes me laugh. Jonathan Joseph would be fine with me in the second round if Ko Simpson, Eric Winston, and Nick Mangold are all gone. Measurables are not all there is to a football player, and Ko Simpson reads the ball better than any DB in this draft.
 
Matt_Alkire said:
I've heard of Roderkus, but know absolutely nothing about him. Sorry.

I just have Jonathan Joseph ranked a bit higher then Ko. Ko would be great there as well. Can't say I think Ko is much better then Jonathan is though.

Do you mean Marshall from Fresno? Can't say I'd want him in the 3rd round, but the Texans certainly could. I'm a big fan of Anthony Smith. Tough kid. Good ballskills.
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It's hard to find any real tape of him outside of his freshman year at Oregon. I relate his skill sets to Manuel Wright from USC last year.

I think Ko and Josepsh are about even on talent, but the edge would go to Simpson because of the desperate need for a true FS.

Marshall has the physical skills you look for at CB, including very fluid hips and closing speed.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
It's hard to find any real tape of him outside of his freshman year at Oregon. I relate his skill sets to Manuel Wright from USC last year.

I think Ko and Josepsh are about even on talent, but the edge would go to Simpson because of the desperate need for a true FS.

Marshall has the physical skills you look for at CB, including very fluid hips and closing speed.
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what position is roderikus
 
1st round looks ok-just a few things-
why is (D'quell) jackson after shooting up, i was thinking maybe we'd take him @#33
i see the bears reversing their picks- pope in the 1st, cb in the 2nd- i dont see pope, gabe watson, cromartie or moss falling that far.
the bengals may even take gabe or a S in the 1st(and would def. take him with their 2nd) to try and help stop the run which is their biggest weakness
 
Maddict5 said:
1st round looks ok-just a few things-
why is (D'quell) jackson after shooting up, i was thinking maybe we'd take him @#33
i see the bears reversing their picks- pope in the 1st, cb in the 2nd- i dont see pope, gabe watson, cromartie or moss falling that far.
the bengals may even take gabe or a S in the 1st(and would def. take him with their 2nd) to try and help stop the run which is their biggest weakness
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I watched alot of Maryland since we did our last mock and just think D'Qwell is a 1st rounder. I had only watched him twice all season until last month. That's why he shot up from our previous mocks.

Again, I'm much lower on Pope then almost everyone else. I made a comment earlier that I had never heard anyone say Jacobs was better then Whitehurst. The same could be thrown in my face when it comes to Pope as I have him rated the #4 TE in the draft.

Anyone who spends a Top 50 pick on Gabe Watson will forever be laughed at by me. Hate the kid as a prospect. Don't think I've seen so much laziness since Jonathan Sullivan in his first two years with New Orleans. I don't think he'll be a 1st rounder though. Taking a guy in the 1st round who was BENCHED for half his Senior year is just *****ic. Then again, there is always Al Davis.
 
Roderkus is a DE that is about 6'4" 270 and runs in the mid 4.7s. He was a monster in JuCo and had some major maturity and off-field issues at Oregon and Portland State. He is a guy that will likely not be drafted but will come onto a roster and possibly be suprise. He is athletic and needs some definate work, but if he is dedicated and over the problems of his past then he should make a roster next year. An option for the Texans to sign after the draft to bring in for training camp, he is also 24 years old.
 
Matt_Alkire said:
Anyone who spends a Top 50 pick on Gabe Watson will forever be laughed at by me. Hate the kid as a prospect. Don't think I've seen so much laziness since Jonathan Sullivan in his first two years with New Orleans. I don't think he'll be a 1st rounder though. Taking a guy in the 1st round who was BENCHED for half his Senior year is just *****ic. Then again, there is always Al Davis.
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he showed he can be an excellent disruptive force when motivated- marvin might think he'll be able to keep this guy in check- he has already drafted character questionable guys- CJ(i think), and chris henry didnt have great reputations coming out of college so i wouldnt rule it out esp. with their 2nd.


ps- when will cromartie make it into your 1st round
 
Maddict5 said:
he showed he can be an excellent disruptive force when motivated- marvin might think he'll be able to keep this guy in check- he has already drafted character questionable guys- CJ(i think), and chris henry didnt have great reputations coming out of college so i wouldnt rule it out esp. with their 2nd.


ps- when will cromartie make it into your 1st round
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Cromartie will make my first round when he invents a time machine and plays more then 1 season of college football.:)

On a serious note, if I start to get wind towards the draft he'll be a 1st rounder I'll throw him in there.

We're going to win that accuracy challenge this year damnit! I got close last year, but Matt Millen and Floyd Reese really threw my mid 1st round off.:brickwall
 
Matt come on you know the Jags are thinking about him as a FS. He was in my first round at first, but then they signed Brian Williams, I think he would be attractive to the Bengals, Seahawks, or Indi. I personally dont think he is a first rounder anymore and at best likely a mid second as Joseph, Youboty, Tye Hill, Marshall, and Jennings might or have passed him.
 
I have two questions:
1)What do you think of Kevin Walter?
2)What do you know about Digger Anderson, MLD from North Dakota?

The first question is because, well, he is on our team now.

The second question is because I have been wondering about him and thought he was pretty good until I saw his 40 time.
 
PokerStar said:
Roderkus is a DE that is about 6'4" 270 and runs in the mid 4.7s. He was a monster in JuCo and had some major maturity and off-field issues at Oregon and Portland State. He is a guy that will likely not be drafted but will come onto a roster and possibly be suprise. He is athletic and needs some definate work, but if he is dedicated and over the problems of his past then he should make a roster next year. An option for the Texans to sign after the draft to bring in for training camp, he is also 24 years old.
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He is a DT, but has the athletic ability to play DE. There was an article running around this MB about him. He says he has matured and wants to prove himself. He put up MIND-BOGGLING stats at JuCo while only playing the first half of each game.
 
rmartin65 said:
I have two questions:
1)What do you think of Kevin Walter?
2)What do you know about Digger Anderson, MLD from North Dakota?

The first question is because, well, he is on our team now.

The second question is because I have been wondering about him and thought he was pretty good until I saw his 40 time.
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1. Solid posession white guy.

2. Overrated small schooler. Not in the same class as Captian America last year.
 
I still think that the 40 time is useless except for WRs. A MLB could be fast as hell but if his slow to react or runs in the wrong gap....it doesn't matter how fast he is.
 
tulexan said:
I'd rather see Cromartie at 33 if we were going to take a CB. I don't think you can pass on his size and speed.
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Cromartie is coming off ACL surgery and hasn't played in a game since then, right?

Joseph is 2" shorter, but 5-11 at 4.31 is pretty dang good. But I thing he'll be gone by pick 33.
 
Htown34s said:
Cromartie is coming off ACL surgery and hasn't played in a game since then, right?

Joseph is 2" shorter, but 5-11 at 4.31 is pretty dang good. But I thing he'll be gone by pick 33.
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yeah but hes shown hes over that by being fast and mobile- he has very good speed and alot better size than joseph and, if he had stayed in school and had a good year(he didnt because his mother is sick, if i remember right, and they need money), he probably would've been a top 5 pick next year....joseph is a very good cb also and i wouldnt mind either but cromarties size gives him a bit more of an edge for me...but joseph hasnt had a serious injury so you can see why people are split
 
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