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Scott Wrights DraftCountdown.com

Updated 2/11/09

Scott has us taking Brian Price and Toby Gerhart.

A couple of notable players we pass on in RD1: Earl Thomas. Dan Williams. Patrick Robinson.

A couple of notable players we pass on in RD2: Kyle Wilson. Daryl Washington.
 
Corrosion said:
At this point , I'd be surprized if Tebow was taken in the 3rd round ....
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If I was a team at the top like NE or NO then I would be very interested in using a 2nd or 3rd on Tebow. I wouldn't let him play QB though, I still think he can make a very good H Back in the NFL.
 
I don't like the Brian Price pick. I don't care how good he was in college, he's just another Amobi Okoye and we don't need another one. If I want a DT then give me Lamar Houston who had a far more productive college career then Gerald McCoy, Brian Price, and any other DT not named Ndamukong Suh.
 
I wouldn't pass on E.Thomas for Price. This draft is really deep at DT, with a dozen guys who could go by our 3rd pick. If Thomas or Iupati weren't there he would be one of my top choices though.

Texan4Ever said:
I don't like the Brian Price pick. I don't care how good he was in college, he's just another Amobi Okoye and we don't need another one. If I want a DT then give me Lamar Houston who had a far more productive college career then Gerald McCoy, Brian Price, and any other DT not named Ndamukong Suh.
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Lamarr Houston
Games: 50
solo tackles: 86 (1.72/game)
asst tackles: 50 (1/game)
solo loss: 31 (0.62/game)
asst loss: 9 (0.18/game)
sacks: 13 (0.26/game)
asst sacks: 2 (0.04/game)

Brian Price
Games: 35
Solo Tackles: 75 (2.14/game)
Asst tackles: 22 (0.63/game)
solo loss: 41 (1.17/game)
asst loss: 7 (0.2/game)
Sacks: 12 (0.34/game)
Asst Sacks: 1 (0.03/game)

Price was better in 4 of 6 categories with more solo tackles, solo TFL, Assisted TFL, and sacks per game.

Houston is a quality prospect, but Price is definitely rated higher by most people.
 
Texan4Ever said:
I don't like the Brian Price pick. I don't care how good he was in college, he's just another Amobi Okoye and we don't need another one. If I want a DT then give me Lamar Houston who had a far more productive college career then Gerald McCoy, Brian Price, and any other DT not named Ndamukong Suh.
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Houston is the same style DT that Price is. He holds up against the run but his best asset is his ability to shoot gaps and penetrate the pocket.
 
I'd rather have Dan Williams than Price. I would rather have Earl Thomas than both. Wow, me wanting a UT player...Hell just froze over.
 
Texan4Ever said:
I don't like the Brian Price pick. I don't care how good he was in college, he's just another Amobi Okoye and we don't need another one. If I want a DT then give me Lamar Houston who had a far more productive college career then Gerald McCoy, Brian Price, and any other DT not named Ndamukong Suh.
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How is he another Amobi Okoye?
 
Super Mario said:
How is he another Amobi Okoye?
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Some people around here are under the impression that you cannot be successful with two gap penetrating DTs. They think that you "must" have a definitive NT.

It's just untrue. There are plenty of teams that have been successful in the past and present by employing four pass rushers on the d line.

Speed on defense is critical in the NFL and I would say that it is only absolutely necessary to have a big run stuffing NT if you run a 34. In any other style of defense it is a preference, not a necessity.
 
bah007 said:
Some people around here are under the impression that you cannot be successful with two gap penetrating DTs. They think that you "must" have a definitive NT.

It's just untrue. There are plenty of teams that have been successful in the past and present by employing four pass rushers on the d line.

Speed on defense is critical in the NFL and I would say that it is only absolutely necessary to have a big run stuffing NT if you run a 34. In any other style of defense it is a preference, not a necessity.
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Okay, I was wrong. So if the Texans employ a two gap scheme for the DTs, does this explain why Amobi Okoye doesn't have eye-popping stats? Two-gap DTs main responsibilty is to keep linemen off of the linebackers, correct?

So maybe Brian Price wouldn't be a bad idea, however, I think we could get another DT later on like Tyson Alualu.
 
Texan4Ever said:
Okay, I was wrong. So if the Texans employ a two gap scheme for the DTs, does this explain why Amobi Okoye doesn't have eye-popping stats? Two-gap DTs main responsibilty is to keep linemen off of the linebackers, correct?

So maybe Brian Price wouldn't be a bad idea, however, I think we could get another DT later on like Tyson Alualu.
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I didn't mean two two gap DTs. I meant two single gap DTs. My wording may have been confusing.

Based on the d line personnel the Texans have acquired in the past I assume that they want to run a single gap defense where every player has a spot to fill. Price fits that mold.
 
Man, there is like a new mock draft on here every single day now. None of these mean anything at this point. We're so far away from the draft, that I just don't see the point of this. It's like one masturbation session after another about who the Texans might pick based off of some mocks that have no relevance right now.

Hardly any of this will be anything good to gauge off of until you get a few weeks closer to the draft. Until then these mock drafts are about as relevant as a mock draft would be for the 2011 draft.
 
BALTIMORE RAVENS: ARRELIOUS BENN, WR, ILLINOIS
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No way the Ravens pass on Earl Thomas. With Ed Reed seeking retirement as an option, they will not pass up a great FS at 23 for another WR. If the Texans don't take him at 19/20, the Ravens should snatch him up if the Packers don't either.

The Tebow pick is just dumb. The Patriots could get him in the 3rd round if they wanted to, but with 3 2nd round picks, I don't see how they couldn't find a better RB if they wanted to use Tebow as a RB. The Patriots should be going for a secondary player in the first round. They need a lot of help with their pass defense.
 
bah007 said:
I didn't mean two two gap DTs. I meant two single gap DTs. My wording may have been confusing.

Based on the d line personnel the Texans have acquired in the past I assume that they want to run a single gap defense where every player has a spot to fill. Price fits that mold.
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Obviously the Texans defense doesnt run just one type of defense that requires just one type of DT, but the Texans seem to like having one one gap DT and one NT to eat up blockers like a Jeff Zagonia. Except it seemed that Jeff got quite a bit of pressure on QB's and RB's in the backfield.

So do the Texans need a run stuffer/double team taker like NT Dan Williams, or another 1 gap shooter DT like Brian price?
 
Super Mario said:
Obviously the Texans defense doesnt run just one type of defense that requires just one type of DT, but the Texans seem to like having one one gap DT and one NT to eat up blockers like a Jeff Zagonia. Except it seemed that Jeff got quite a bit of pressure on QB's and RB's in the backfield.

So do the Texans need a run stuffer/double team taker like NT Dan Williams, or another 1 gap shooter DT like Brian price?
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With the way the NFL is drastically shifting to a passing league, I would prefer another one gap guy like Price. If we do that, we give up a little against the run but improve against the pass.

At the end of the day though, I just want the best players on the field. If that means drafting Dan Williams then fine.
 
bah007 said:
With the way the NFL is drastically shifting to a passing league, I would prefer another one gap guy like Price. If we do that, we give up a little against the run but improve against the pass.

At the end of the day though, I just want the best players on the field. If that means drafting Dan Williams then fine.
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Do you think that either Williams or Price were only productive this year due to wanting to be drafted? I would hate to get a fatty mcbutterpants like Williams, give him a huge rookie contract, then see him not give 100%.

I know thats a concern for all rookies, but I think it is more of a concern for big boys in the trenches.
 
Texecutioner said:
Man, there is like a new mock draft on here every single day now. None of these mean anything at this point. We're so far away from the draft, that I just don't see the point of this. It's like one masturbation session after another about who the Texans might pick based off of some mocks that have no relevance right now.
Hardly any of this will be anything good to gauge off of until you get a few weeks closer to the draft. Until then these mock drafts are about as relevant as a mock draft would be for the 2011 draft.
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And yet here you are watching again. Sorry Texecutioner, I could not pass that up. You don't like early mocks but obviously many of us do. But we have had this discussion before.:runaway:
 
Texecutioner said:
Man, there is like a new mock draft on here every single day now. None of these mean anything at this point. We're so far away from the draft, that I just don't see the point of this. It's like one masturbation session after another about who the Texans might pick based off of some mocks that have no relevance right now.

Hardly any of this will be anything good to gauge off of until you get a few weeks closer to the draft. Until then these mock drafts are about as relevant as a mock draft would be for the 2011 draft.
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I find it much more interesting to read peoples thoughts on the draft, than reading 20+ pages on the plusses/minuses of Kubiak getting a contract extension.
 
Super Mario said:
Do you think that either Williams or Price were only productive this year due to wanting to be drafted? I would hate to get a fatty mcbutterpants like Williams, give him a huge rookie contract, then see him not give 100%.

I know thats a concern for all rookies, but I think it is more of a concern for big boys in the trenches.
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I think we ALL have this concern. The only players that have workd for us in the first round are Andre Johnson, Mario Williams, and Brian Cushing (we can make a case for Duane Brown but I still need to see more from him).

We can't afford another first round bust and the 2010-2011 season is a do or die year for us.
 
Texecutioner said:
Man, there is like a new mock draft on here every single day now. None of these mean anything at this point. We're so far away from the draft, that I just don't see the point of this. It's like one masturbation session after another about who the Texans might pick based off of some mocks that have no relevance right now.

Hardly any of this will be anything good to gauge off of until you get a few weeks closer to the draft. Until then these mock drafts are about as relevant as a mock draft would be for the 2011 draft.
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Its the offseason - Kubiak already got an extension so we have to have something to talk about.

As for the accuracy of the mocks here - You'd be surpirsed. Some of these will be closer to the truth now than what many media outlets put out closer to the draft.
 
Silver Oak said:
I find it much more interesting to read peoples thoughts on the draft, than reading 20+ pages on the plusses/minuses of Kubiak getting a contract extension.
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I hear you. It's just so hard to tell with anything right now. SO much changes once the combine starts and the pro day work outs and throughout all of the interviews. Guys can go from 1st round picks to 3rd round picks in a matter of a month once all of that starts.
 
Texan4Ever said:
I think we ALL have this concern. The only players that have workd for us in the first round are Andre Johnson, Mario Williams, and Brian Cushing (we can make a case for Duane Brown but I still need to see more from him).

We can't afford another first round bust and the 2010-2011 season is a do or die year for us.
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I would add Dunta Robinson to that list.
 
Super Mario said:
Do you think that either Williams or Price were only productive this year due to wanting to be drafted? I would hate to get a fatty mcbutterpants like Williams, give him a huge rookie contract, then see him not give 100%.

I know thats a concern for all rookies, but I think it is more of a concern for big boys in the trenches.
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I have a huge concern there for Williams as he has a documented history of being lazy and unmotivated.

One of the reasons I favor Price is because he seems to be the opposite. He contributed as a freshman, became a starter his soph year, and put up two very productive years before declaring. He had another year of eligibility left so it's not like he had his whole future riding on this season like Williams, who was a senior.

Price:
14 TFL and 4.5 sacks in his first year as a starter
23.5 TFL and 7 sacks this past year as a junior

Williams:
6.5 TFL and 2 sacks in his first year as a starter
8.5 TFL and 1.5 sacks as a junior
9 TFL and 2.5 sacks as a senior
 
well he's got Parcels taking a "surprise" the herd LB stud and ....
Iupati goes off the board to the Steelers to save Big Ben...at least the guy is thinking.

Not real thrilled about the UCLA guy. But it does fit the Bill Kollar mold. He still is the d-line coach right ?
 
Bill Kolar is still the defensive line coach and I am also not thrilled about Brian Price but we shall see at the combine. I know their are some people on this board that are tired of hearing about drafting big DT but what if we could draft Kade Weston from Georgia or Cam Thomas from UNC.

Weston had a fairly decent career at Georgia and is 6'5" 325-lbs. I like his height and from what I have seen he can handle offensive line and get to the action.

Cam Thomas is a little short but big 6'3" 330-lbs and during the North-South game (whatever thats called) he looked good during the drills and I saw him drive linemen into the dummies.

Tyson Alualu is 6'3" 290-lbs who plays DT but also played a little DE. He has a high motor but gets taken out of the action at times. However, he looks quicker on tape and can get up the field and to the QB.
 
I like Cam Thomas alot as a NT. I dont know about a 2nd round grade though, thats a bit high for someone with his lack of production. I would take him in the 5th though, maybe the 4th.
 
Saw an article in the chron from Lance Zierlein (Z Report) titled, NFL Draft: Whispers from the scouts. This is what he said about Price:

• Another player who will start to fall down the board for draft pundits and websites is UCLA DT Brian Price. I recently re-watched Price against Rutgers in UCLA's bowl game and he certainly didn't look like a first rounder when he was lined up at the 3-technique tackle spot. I did, however, think he looked quicker and more effective when he was playing the tilt-NT spot. Still, he has a tendency to get pushed out of the play too often and most of the people I've spoken with have him behind both Dan Williams of Tennessee and Jared Odrick of Penn State. Mark my words, mock drafts by reputable pundits will start to move him down their boards fairly soon.
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LZ isn't right all the time but he does have good connections in the NFL. Just food for thought.
 
bah007 said:
I have a huge concern there for Williams as he has a documented history of being lazy and unmotivated.

One of the reasons I favor Price is because he seems to be the opposite. He contributed as a freshman, became a starter his soph year, and put up two very productive years before declaring. He had another year of eligibility left so it's not like he had his whole future riding on this season like Williams, who was a senior.

Price:
14 TFL and 4.5 sacks in his first year as a starter
23.5 TFL and 7 sacks this past year as a junior

Williams:
6.5 TFL and 2 sacks in his first year as a starter
8.5 TFL and 1.5 sacks as a junior
9 TFL and 2.5 sacks as a senior
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But Williams weighs 330 lbs. Obviously he's the better player.
 
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