Schaub is the Rodney Dangerfield Of QBs He Gets No Respect!

[The Pencil Neck]

Schaub is good but faultered at the end of last season. It remains to be seen if it was just a temporary slump or the beginning of deteriorated skills. Time will tell.

I think that Newton trying to play through an injury had a lot to do with this. Schaub starting getting hit a lot more and he stopped trusting that he'd have time to throw.

32 years old isn't that old for a quarterback. Lots of guys continue to produce past that point and some guys even get better as they get into their mid-30's.

If we can upgrade our line and the depth of the line, I think Schaub will do better.

 

[tru80texan]

I think that Newton trying to play through an injury had a lot to do with this. Schaub starting getting hit a lot more and he stopped trusting that he'd have time to throw.

32 years old isn't that old for a quarterback. Lots of guys continue to produce past that point and some guys even get better as they get into their mid-30's.

If we can upgrade our line and the depth of the line, I think Schaub will do better.

I agree he isn't old, but sometimes QB's just lose it. Culpepper completely fell off the map shortly after being one of the leading passers. Rivers is struggling like no other despite his age. McNabb went from being a #1 QB to out of the NFL in a few short years. It can happen & is exactly the reason why I said that time will tell.

I hope its just a slump for the sake of the Texans, but he finished very poorly & didn't show much improvement until the Pats laid off & gave up easy yardage to close out the playoff game. Hopefully the o-line will show improvement & w/ the addition of Hopkins Schaub will have tools around him to succeed. In my mind this essentially erases all the excuses & puts the success & failures of the offense on Schaub & his performances alone. They go as he goes.

 

[Lucky]

I think that Newton trying to play through an injury had a lot to do with this. Schaub starting getting hit a lot more and he stopped trusting that he'd have time to throw.

Really. is that that much difference between Newton and Ryan Harris? I'm not sure if Harris isn't a better pass protector. And it's not as if the Texans were facing formidable pass defenses at the end of the season. Indy (21st), Minnesota (24th), and New England (29th) should not have given the Texans pass offense as much trouble as they did.

Schaub is good but faultered at the end of last season. It remains to be seen if it was just a temporary slump or the beginning of deteriorated skills. Time will tell.

Another possible explanation is injury. Be it a flare up of the foot or a new injury.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Really. is that that much difference between Newton and Ryan Harris? I'm not sure if Harris isn't a better pass protector. And it's not as if the Texans were facing formidable pass defenses at the end of the season. Indy (21st), Minnesota (24th), and New England (29th) should not have given the Texans pass offense as much trouble as they did.

Up to the point Newton went down (using a rotation of Newton and Harris), we were averaging a little less than 1.4 sacks per game.

Newton went down and didn't play in the Titan game (0 sacks), the First New England Debacle (2 sacks), the Colts (3 sacks). Then he came back and started trying to play through the injury and we jump up to 4 sacks against the Vikings and the Colts.

In the playoffs, our sack totals went back down but I believe that Newton coming back in for those last two games and trying to play went a long way to keeping us from winning AND to getting Schaub rattled and possibly re-injured. I don't think Schaub was totally healthy those last few games.

 

[tru80texan]

Really. is that that much difference between Newton and Ryan Harris? I'm not sure if Harris isn't a better pass protector. And it's not as if the Texans were facing formidable pass defenses at the end of the season. Indy (21st), Minnesota (24th), and New England (29th) should not have given the Texans pass offense as much trouble as they did.


Another possible explanation is injury. Be it a flare up of the foot or a new injury.

Until I hear something from a legitimate source about an injury, I'm not going to assume that one exist just to excuse his poor play. There has been plenty of time & tons of criticism that you would assume that if an injury did exist it would have surfaced by now in attempt to at least quiet some of the criticism. If it existed I believe it would've been reported by now. Everything I've have read is he is healthy & going about his normal activities. If I recall correctly, even our own Texans Chick has stated the same.

Sometimes poor play is just poor play. Players can regress & it remains to be seen if Schaub can get it turned around. Hopefully it was just a slump, but it will be on Schaub to prove the doubters wrong as many of his past excuses are being addressed imo.

 

[Lucky]

Until I hear something from a legitimate source about an injury, I'm not going to assume that one exist just to excuse his poor play.

Players and even teams hide injuries (see Ed Reed, hip). You can wait to hear whatever you want, and I will continue to believe what I see with my eyes. Even McNair alluded to Schaub getting healthier this offseason. Maybe he knows something, or maybe he just saw what I saw. Whether Schaub was playing hurt or not is speculation either way.

 

[TejasTom]

Who are the QBs who are ahead of Schaub in yards, TDs, and/or QB rating?

All 3 Categories
Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Ryan
P. Manning

So 2 first ballot HOFers and 2 more that will probably will make it vs Schab on a team with AJ and the third stringers with a run first conservative coach. None of them in the big game this year either.

 

[texanhead08]

This has been the longest off season ever, and the Schaub ripping that has gone on with our fanbase is getting old fast. I love how everyone seems to ignore our defense giving up 40 points twice to the Patriots. If that happens again this year we could have Jesus H Christ at QB and we would still lose.

 

[thunderkyss]

I agree he isn't old, but sometimes QB's just lose it. Culpepper completely fell off the map shortly after being one of the leading passers. Rivers is struggling like no other despite his age. McNabb went from being a #1 QB to out of the NFL in a few short years. It can happen & is exactly the reason why I said that time will tell.

I hope its just a slump for the sake of the Texans, but he finished very poorly

Culpepper was never the same after the knee. He wasn't much of a scrambler before that, but in a pinch, he'd pick up 10 yards if needed. That part of his game was taken away from him & he became more of a statue, with less talented players around him. No more Moss, no more CC, no more Robert Smith.

McNabb couldn't stay healthy, then after leaving Philly & Andy Ried's system, he struggled to learn new things (I've always said his problem was instead of developing his QB, Ried developed a system around his QB).

Rivers, the team around him has steadily got worse & worse.

I don't think Schaub is elite, but in this system he can look like it. I think TPN is most right about Newton's injury being the biggest reason our offense took a nose dive in December & January. It's not that Newton is that much better than Harris, it's that Newton is more consistent.

Kubiak/Schaub can plan around consistency & that's what makes our offence tick. Myers wouldn't be starting for any other team, I'm surprised Briesel is. But together they can give Kubiak/Schaub something they can consistently work with.

KDub was consistent, we kept him instead of Jacoby, even though Jacoby was the better play-maker. & that's the thing Hopkins has to provide if he's going to truly be a part of our offense in 2013.

I don't think Schaub's foot is a "big" problem for us. There hasn't been one word about helping Matt deal with an injury, or even playing better later in the year (not one word from the Texans, got a lot from us on tt.com). Bringing in Stephen McGee & Colin Klein are the only measures we've taken to improve the QB position.

Next year, I think Schaub is going to look elite again

 

[Lucky]

So 2 first ballot HOFers and 2 more that will probably will make it vs Schab on a team with AJ and the third stringers with a run first conservative coach. None of them in the big game this year either.

What exactly are you trying to say? Those QBs have led their teams to championships. We don't know yet if Schaub is even capable of going along for the ride.

No one is suggesting that the Texans have to have QB play at the Brady-Peyton level. It would be nice, but that's not happening. What we want to see is something along the lines of the 2011 Eli Manning or 2012 Joe Flacco playoff level. That is not too much to ask and likely necessary for the Texans to become Super Bowl champs.

 

[tru80texan]

Culpepper was never the same after the knee. He wasn't much of a scrambler before that, but in a pinch, he'd pick up 10 yards if needed. That part of his game was taken away from him & he became more of a statue, with less talented players around him. No more Moss, no more CC, no more Robert Smith.

McNabb couldn't stay healthy, then after leaving Philly & Andy Ried's system, he struggled to learn new things (I've always said his problem was instead of developing his QB, Ried developed a system around his QB).

Rivers, the team around him has steadily got worse & worse.

I don't think Schaub is elite, but in this system he can look like it. I think TPN is most right about Newton's injury being the biggest reason our offense took a nose dive in December & January. It's not that Newton is that much better than Harris, it's that Newton is more consistent.

Kubiak/Schaub can plan around consistency & that's what makes our offence tick. Myers wouldn't be starting for any other team, I'm surprised Briesel is. But together they can give Kubiak/Schaub something they can consistently work with.

KDub was consistent, we kept him instead of Jacoby, even though Jacoby was the better play-maker. & that's the thing Hopkins has to provide if he's going to truly be a part of our offense in 2013.

I don't think Schaub's foot is a "big" problem for us. There hasn't been one word about helping Matt deal with an injury, or even playing better later in the year (not one word from the Texans, got a lot from us on tt.com). Bringing in Stephen McGee & Colin Klein are the only measures we've taken to improve the QB position.

Next year, I think Schaub is going to look elite again

That's not completely accurate concerning Walter & Jacoby. Both players following the 2011 season had meetings w/ the Texans, that's when Walter ultimately was forced to take a pay cut & it was speculated but never confirmed that Jacoby could've been asked to do the same. Jacoby instead requested that he be released. It had nothing to w/ consistency because all Walter was consistent at was disappearing in games. It seemed to be based on money & Jacoby chose to ask for his release, not the Texans choosing to cut him w/out his say.

I hope you are right concerning Schaub. As I have said before, time will tell but how he finished very poorly in multiple games has raised many doubts. Hopefully he can return to his old self, but it is not unheard of that some players just regress & never return to form. For the sake of the Texans I hope that is not the case because w/ their decisions concerning the qb position it seems they are not really putting much emphasis on preparing for the future at the qb position. Let's hope for a rebound so that he can be considered one of the best qb's once again & hopefully take the texans to at least the AFCCG.

 

[tru80texan]

Players and even teams hide injuries (see Ed Reed, hip). You can wait to hear whatever you want, and I will continue to believe what I see with my eyes. Even McNair alluded to Schaub getting healthier this offseason. Maybe he knows something, or maybe he just saw what I saw. Whether Schaub was playing hurt or not is speculation either way.

And that is exactly why I refuse to acknowledge or accept those types of excuses until they can be confirmed. Because it's nothing more then speculation & IMO is nothing more then an effort to divert from the truth in hopes of creating an additional excuse for poor play. Let's be honest, any player could claim an injury led to their poor play & we had one of the best at it in Mario. The excuses could be endless if they never have to be confirmed & that's how I feel about it concerning all players. How would it be any different if I claimed Barwin had to be playing w/ an injury & that's why he had an off year? IMO it's no different & most wouldn't buy it just because I claimed it. Hopefully this all can be put to rest soon if Schaub comes out & has a good 2013 season. The season can't get here soon enough.

 

[infantrycak]

And that is exactly why I refuse to acknowledge or accept those types of excuses until they can be confirmed. Because it's nothing more then speculation & IMO is nothing more then an effort to divert from the truth in hopes of creating an additional excuse for poor play.

Our resident doctor was predicting this kind of problem as soon as Schaub was injured so you might rein in the excuse making allegation.

 

[TheMatrix31]

I'd like to see what happens this coming year. Last year soured Schaub's brand among Texans fans and fans around the league. Going into last year, he was a QB that was borderline Top 10. I think he's slipped back to around 15 or so with the potential to jump back up to between 10-15 if he has a bounce back year.

23 is asinine. Bottom line. Luckily, rankings don't matter and this is just trollish offseason discussion fodder.

 

[Premier]

schaub is fools gold, we will coast to a 10-12 win season, struggle to beat teams with superior qbs, and fluff out in the division round..

 

[tru80texan]

Our resident doctor was predicting this kind of problem as soon as Schaub was injured so you might rein in the excuse making allegation.

I'm not doubting he is a doctor or that he may have suggested or implied that an injury may exist w/ Schaub, BUT unless he has some direct dealings w/ Schaub & can confirm an injury w/ proof then the excuse making allegation will reign supreme w/ me. I don't mean to sound rude & by no means am I discounting the resident doctors skills, but if you can't personally prove something & you have nothing that has been put out by another legitimate source that has had dealings w/ Schaub personally then all you have are unproven opinions & no one has to accept those as truth imo. Thanks for your suggestion but I think I will pass.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm not doubting he is a doctor

Good since 50+ people on the MB can confirm he is a doc.

or that he may have suggested or implied that an injury may exist w/ Schaub, BUT unless he has some direct dealings w/ Schaub & can confirm an injury w/ proof

You aren't understanding what I said. There is no question over an injury. Everyone in the world knows Schaub suffered a lis franc injury. The question is what is the end result after recovery from that injury. CnD described what happened to Schaub last year in the weeks while Schaub was sitting watching Yates. So none of it is about a new injury, it is just about how a body responds to a known injury.

then the excuse making allegation will reign supreme w/ me.

As you will, remain ignorant and define yourself.

 

[tru80texan]

Good since 50+ people on the MB can confirm he is a doc.



You aren't understanding what I said. There is no question over an injury. Everyone in the world knows Schaub suffered a lis franc injury. The question is what is the end result after recovery from that injury. CnD described what happened to Schaub last year in the weeks while Schaub was sitting watching Yates. So none of it is about a new injury, it is just about how a body responds to a known injury.



As you will, remain ignorant and define yourself.

1st statement=completely worthless & irrelevant but thanks for the fact checks.

The claim has been made that Schaub suffered an injury or aggravated an old injury(the known lisfranc injury) at the END of last season on multiple occasions, primarily amongst fans, & has yet to be confirmed by anyone associated w/ the Texans or Schaub. It other words, its baseless speculation. Your efforts to spin it now are weak to say the least but I applaud your efforts to cover your tracks as well as you possibly can. This had nothing to do w/ how his body responded to his former injury because Schaub played well through a majority of the season & the mystery injury or re-aggravation talk arrived & thrived only after he struggled & the criticism mounted. How can anyone claim there was anything wrong w/ Schaub when absolutely nothing has been reported is beyond me. We have no clue if it was an old injury or new injury, so how you , or anyone else for that matter, can claim this had anything to do w/ how is body responded to his old injury is a complete shot in the dark at best. Zero proof= zero case IMO.

Schaub was deemed healthy at the beginning of the season & it seemed so as he played fairly well. Schaub plays poorly at the end of the season & all of a sudden he is suffering a re-aggravation or new injury, but yet again again he was deemed healthy & NOTHING has been provided to say otherwise. Lol! All of that & somehow you have actually convinced yourself that I am the one that remains ignorant. Talk about defining yourself.

I guess its safe to say...we can agree to disagree.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Good since 50+ people on the MB can confirm he is a doc.

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1st statement=completely worthless & irrelevant by thanks for the fact checks.

YUP!! Considering he consulted with my Mom's heart surgeon and monitored Joe's stroke...

CONFIRMED!!


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Maybe you tru80texan should find another contrarian topic to troll because with this one you = FAIL!

 

[infantrycak]

All of that & somehow you have actually convinced yourself that I am the one that remains ignorant. Talk about defining yourself.

You joined the MB after the latest season. You are the definition of ignorant on what was being said around here two seasons ago. If you weren't so ignorant you would also know CnD is no Schaub fan. But before the end of the season he was injured CnD projected exactly this path - a wearing down over time with increasingly poor performance. It was not a prediction of a new injury or an aggravation of the lis franc but of the normal recovery from a lis franc for a QB.

 

[tru80texan]

YUP!! Considering he consulted with my Mom's heart surgeon and monitored Joe's stroke...

CONFIRMED!!


*EDIT*
Maybe you tru80texan should find another contrarian topic to troll because with this one you = FAIL!

Lol! C'mon Bill? Troll...that's very weak & inaccurate usage of the word simply because I don't agree w/ your BFF. In other words... that was a complete FAIL or your behalf.

This has absolutely nothing to do w/ CnD for the record. I respect & appreciate his insight & opinions when he describes & provides info concerning injuries & other aspects in the medical field.

This does have everything to do w/ someone insisting that we should "rein" in our opinions & abide by theirs despite them having zero proof to support their beliefs other than the opinion of another. I surely hope that is not expected to be the norm on here & others can think for themselves w/ out having some coming w/ the silly troll name calling just to defend their buddy. Sure seems childish to say the least, but to each their own.

 

[Texan_Bill]

You joined the MB after the latest season. You are the definition of ignorant on what was being said around here two seasons ago. If you weren't so ignorant you would also know CnD is no Schaub fan. But before the end of the season he was injured CnD projected exactly this path - a wearing down over time with increasingly poor performance. It was not a prediction of a new injury or an aggravation of the lis franc but of the normal recovery from a lis franc for a QB.

Chris, I'm way too lazy to find CnD's post about the wearing down during the season of Schaub's performance while recovering from the Lis Franc injury but I will at least (and I've posted many times) that Doc Jean (aka CnD) was spot on.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Lol! C'mon Bill? Troll...that's very weak & inaccurate usage of the word simply because I don't agree w/ your BFF. In other words... that was a complete FAIL or your behalf.

This has absolutely nothing to do w/ CnD for the record. I respect & appreciate his insight & opinions when he describes & provides info concerning injuries & other aspects in the medical field.

This does have everything to do w/ someone insisting that we should "rein" in our opinions & abide by theirs despite them having zero proof to support their beliefs other than the opinion of another. I surely hope that is not expected to be the norm on here & others can think for themselves w/ out having some coming w/ the silly troll name calling just to defend their buddy. Sure seems childish to say the least, but to each their own.

If you're not trolling, what are you doing? What is all that all of that ^^ GARBAGE.

And BTW, just to be a dick......... It's "reign"

 

[tru80texan]

You joined the MB after the latest season. You are the definition of ignorant on what was being said around here two seasons ago. If you weren't so ignorant you would also know CnD is no Schaub fan. But before the end of the season he was injured CnD projected exactly this path - a wearing down over time with increasingly poor performance. It was not a prediction of a new injury or an aggravation of the lis franc but of the normal recovery from a lis franc for a QB.

Lol! Once again, I never have doubted CnD but am still waiting for someone other then MB members to confirm or provide proof of an injury to Schaub. It simply hasn't happened. You can claim your superiority all you want, but in the end it means nothing because you can provide nothing that confirms your claim. I try to have facts before making statements, you choose another path.

Once again, it's up to others to decide who is really dealing w/ ignorance. Hopefully the pissing match is over as I will politely agree to disagree w/ you yet again & time will tell concerning Schaub.

 

[tru80texan]

If you're not trolling, what are you doing? What is all that all of that ^^ GARBAGE.

And BTW, just to be a dick......... It's "reign"

Lol! You have succeeded w/ at least one portion of your statement. I let you guess which part. The other portion...not so much. I was quoting your buddy w/ "rein" & Im pretty sure he used the right word in the right context. Thanks...for nothing.

When you are offering an opinion on a topic...it's not always trolling simply because you don't agree with it. Not having the facts of all the conversations & ranting over nothing while providing nothing, similar to what you are doing, could be deemed "trolling" by some, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Lol! You have succeeded w/ at least one portion of your statement. I let you guess which part. The other portion...not so much. I was quoting your buddy w/ "rein" & Im pretty sure he used the right word in the right context. Thanks...for nothing.

When you are offering an opinion on a topic...it's not always trolling simply because you don't agree with it. Not having the facts of all the conversations & ranting over nothing while providing nothing, similar to what you are doing, could be deemed "trolling" by some, but that's just my opinion.

CAK, I accidentally busted you.. #Stanford

I was quoting your buddy w/ "rein"

When you are offering an opinion on a topic...it's not always trolling simply because you don't agree with it. Not having the facts of all the conversations & ranting over nothing while providing nothing, similar to what you are doing, could be deemed "trolling" by some, but that's just my opinion

IIRC you questioned Doc's credentials as a doctor, which is the only reason I responded.

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I forgot the obligatory "Lol!

 

[infantrycak]

This does have everything to do w/ someone insisting that we should "rein" in our opinions & abide by theirs despite them having zero proof to support their beliefs other than the opinion of another. I surely hope that is not expected to be the norm on here & others can think for themselves w/ out having some coming w/ the silly troll name calling just to defend their buddy. Sure seems childish to say the least, but to each their own.

Damn you are thick. Say what you want opinion wise but fact is you are new here and you can't come in and credibly make sweeping generalizations on what people thought long before you joined and hence the background for the comments even since you have arrived. Having a doctor predict exactly what happens is not zero proof. Talking out your ass about a MB you weren't a member of and divining the intentions of people you don't know - that is zero proof.

CAK, I accidentally busted you.. #Stanford

Dude - #Berkeley

 

[tru80texan]

CAK, I accidentally busted you.. #Stanford





IIRC you questioned Doc's credentials as a doctor, which is the only reason I responded.

I politely disagree. I have never doubted CnD is a doctor or stated such during these conversations. His credentials never came in to question from me. I simply doubted the injury theory that MANY have adopted yet have no proof of. That was all. Hopefully that clears that up & we too can politely agree to disagree.

 

[tru80texan]

Damn you are thick. Say what you want opinion wise but fact is you are new here and you can't come in and credibly make sweeping generalizations on what people thought long before you joined and hence the background for the comments even since you have arrived. Having a doctor predict exactly what happens is not zero proof. Talking out your ass about a MB you weren't a member of and divining the intentions of people you don't know - that is zero proof.

lol! I've heard that once or twice. I can live w/ that. I have a strange feeling though...that maybe you've heard the same as well. I will stand pat on my belief until something is reported & can be proven w/out doubt. It's just my nature to have facts. So I will continue to be "thick" on this & agree to disagree. Hopefully that is fair enough for you as you cannot expect all to agree & believe the same all of the time.

 

[ObsiWan]

lol! I've heard that once or twice. I can live w/ that. I have a strange feeling though...that maybe you've heard the same as well. I will stand pat on my belief until something is reported & can be proven w/out doubt. It's just my nature to have facts. So I will continue to be "thick" on this & agree to disagree. Hopefully that is fair enough for you as you cannot expect all to agree & believe the same all of the time.

If you are awaiting some declaration from the Texans regarding Schaub's deteriorating health status in the last two months of the season, you await in vain. When it comes to revealing health matters the Texans - and they aren't alone in this philosophy - say as little as they can get away with. Even when guys have been withheld from play - Ben Tate comes to mind - Kubiak will merely say, "he's a little 'nicked up' or 'he's 'battling through some things'". Ben Tate's carries were waaay down from the year before, but how many times was he actually on the injury report?

Point is, you'll be waiting quite a while if you're waiting for the Texans to confess anything regarding an injury. And they aren't the only team who operates this way; Belichick is famous for being closed mouth about such things.

 

[thunderkyss]

If you are awaiting some declaration from the Texans regarding Schaub's deteriorating health status in the last two months of the season, you await in vain. When it comes to revealing health matters the Texans - and they aren't alone in this philosophy - say as little as they can get away with. Even when guys have been withheld from play - Ben Tate comes to mind - Kubiak will merely say, "he's a little 'nicked up' or 'he's 'battling through some things'". Ben Tate's carries were waaay down from the year before, but how many times was he actually on the injury report?

Point is, you'll be waiting quite a while if you're waiting for the Texans to confess anything regarding an injury.

Except there is no question Tate wasn't completely healthy.

Matt threw the ball 51 times against NewEngland, 66% completion, 90 QB rating. He should have had 1 other TD, the one Casey dropped, which would have helped his QBr........ just saying while the general consensus is that Matt Played poorly, the truth is, that's Matt. He played the same in Jacksonville, @ NYJets, & at home against GreenBay.... all before the bye.

Then look @ Chicago & @ Detroit in November..... Matt.

I don't think this is as directly related to Schaub's LisFranc as CnD suggests. He talked about not following through, or favoring one particular foot, or a reluctance to shift his weight, etc.. He said you could see it in Matt's play, but I replayed all the games several times & nothing was "obvious" to me.

But I'm no doctor.

Then Matt played just as poorly in the ProBowl..... if his foot was bothering him, why play at all? He doesn't owe anything to anybody & definitely wasn't going to prove anything to anyone @ the ProBowl.

Between then & now, the Texans have done less than nothing to address the position. Yeah, if they "know/knew" they might not say anything, but they would have done more than they have.

 

[Lucky]

Matt threw the ball 51 times against NewEngland, 66% completion, 90 QB rating. He should have had 1 other TD, the one Casey dropped, which would have helped his QBr........ just saying while the general consensus is that Matt Played poorly, the truth is, that's Matt.

The "consensus" is that Schaub played like crap against New England, is because he played like crap. Most of his stats were in the 4th quarter against a prevent defense after the game had been decided. When it mattered, Schaub led 4 consecutive drives that ended in punts in the 1st half. After the break, the Texans went punt, interception, out on downs. Ballgame. And the TD pass that was dropped by Casey was not setup on a long drive, but a 90+ yard kick return. Schaub had another chance on 3rd down and missed.

That was not the Matt Schaub that led the Texans to a win in Denver against a much better defense. Not the Matt Schaub that brought the Texans back against Jacksonville. There is a disconnect between the Matt Schaub of the 1st 12 weeks and the Matt Schaub that ended the season. Everyone has their own opinions as to why. But to suggest that what we saw was "just Matt" is putting your head in the sand.

 

[ObsiWan]

I dunno about "doing next to nothing".
My memory might be faulty, but I don't ever recall having FIVE QBs on the payroll before. Do you? Even when Schaub, Sexy Rexy, and HotTub Boy were all here, we didn't have five QBs on the payroll did we?

So just perhaps Smithiak is (are?) actively searching for something. So, despite the positive coachspeak, 5 QBs on the payroll says, to me, they aren't totally happy with Schaub, Yates, or Keenum and are looking to, at a minimum, "push" one or two of them. Perhaps even replace one of them.

Edit: I guess you could point to the year Schaub got hurt. We had him, Leinart, Yates, Jake D. and whatshisname (with the hot wife) all on the payroll. But two of those guys were completely out of commission so that example doesn't truly play into this discussion.

I think Smithiak is (are?) lookiing for a Schaub successor. Obviously not as aggressively as some fans would like, but I think they are.

 

[deucetx]

IIRC you questioned Doc's credentials as a doctor, which is the only reason I responded.

Read back. He didn't question the doc's credentials. Not at all. So all this overly defensive nature is a bit much. In fact, he said that he doesn't doubt the doc's credentials so not even sure where you got the idea that he did.

As for the doc's prediction...it is just that. A prediction. No one save Schaub, the team and his actual doctor know if his foot began bothering him toward the end. It is simply trying to find a reason for his poor play. The only actual fact is he played like crap. There is no fact in a prediction until confirmed one way or another. Simply put nothing here is factual except the crappy play. This really wasn't worth leaping on the guy about.

Plus like TK pointed out, if his foot was bothering him to that extent then Schaub is a bit foolish for playing in a probowl, don't you think? From all we see he is continuing his offseason training per norm, OTA's etc. So again, we are just predicting and with no confirmation this all conjecture and guesswork.

Not to mention all players late in the year are hurting in way or another. You step on the field you need to perform so in the end don't really care if it was because his foot, his motion, his head, his wife not giving him any quality time or whatever. I just want to see him play better.

 

[tru80texan]

I dunno about "doing next to nothing".
My memory might be faulty, but I don't ever recall having FIVE QBs on the payroll before. Do you? Even when Schaub, Sexy Rexy, and HotTub Boy were all here, we didn't have five QBs on the payroll did we?

So just perhaps Smithiak is (are?) actively searching for something. So, despite the positive coachspeak, 5 QBs on the payroll says, to me, they aren't totally happy with Schaub, Yates, or Keenum and are looking to, at a minimum, "push" one or two of them. Perhaps even replace one of them.

Edit: I guess you could point to the year Schaub got hurt. We had him, Leinart, Yates, Jake D. and whatshisname (with the hot wife) all on the payroll. But two of those guys were completely out of commission so that example doesn't truly play into this discussion.

I think Smithiak is (are?) lookiing for a Schaub successor. Obviously not as aggressively as some fans would like, but I think they are.

In all honesty, I don't expect the Texans to be looking for a replacement aggressively based on roughly a little bit more then a hand full of games. Schaub has shown the skills to carry this team in the past & I can't see kubiak giving up on him that quickly. It's not in kubiaks's nature as he is normality a year or 2 late on making necessary moves & even then some come w/ some pushing from an outside source. I fully expect Schaub to be the QB this season & potentially next season, but the recent influx of players at the QB position doesn't seem to of anything of real quality that could potentially push Schaub imo. Until they actually sign a player that has actually displayed some starter quality potential, then they are just going through the motions to put bodies in place & give off the impression that they are doing something about the matter imo. Very similar to what has been going on at the WR position for a few years now.

Schaub deserves a shot at redemption, but I do believe its a situation that should be monitored & addressed seriously if it starts going south. Other teams have addressed the same position w/ actual potential after having an established starter & in the end it has worked out to some of their advantage.

 

[Mr teX]

In all honesty, I don't expect the Texans to be looking for a replacement aggressively based on roughly a little bit more then a hand full of games. Schaub has shown the skills to carry this team in the past & I can't see kubiak giving up on him that quickly. It's not in kubiaks's nature as he is normality a year or 2 late on making necessary moves & even then some come w/ some pushing from an outside source. I fully expect Schaub to be the QB this season & potentially next season, but the recent influx of players at the QB position doesn't seem to of anything of real quality that could potentially push Schaub imo. Until they actually sign a player that has actually displayed some starter quality potential, then they are just going through the motions to put bodies in place & give off the impression that they are doing something about the matter imo. Very similar to what has been going on at the WR position for a few years now.

Schaub deserves a shot at redemption, but I do believe its a situation that should be monitored & addressed seriously if it starts going south. Other teams have addressed the same position w/ actual potential after having an established starter & in the end it has worked out to some of their advantage.

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You're looking at exceptions...The rule however is teams more often than not fail in epic fashion when they go searching for that franchise guy to take them to the next level.....& save for the Bradys, Wilsons and Kapernicks, the overwhelming majority of guys considered to be great franchise altering qbs, almost always come in the 1st round....between picks 1-15..the area in the draft where we weren't this year and even if we were, you could argue we may have needed to address other positions before qb.

But for fun lets go back over the last 2 or so seasons and see how many teams attempted to address the position with actual talent as you say and see how many actually came out on top:

Jaguars - Gabbert replacing Gerrard.....trash

Titans - Locker replacing Collins/Young.....trash

Colts - Luck replacing Orlovsky/Manning.....looks like the real deal...but they had to get inside the top 5 in the draft to get him

Arizona - Kolb replacing Warner.....trash

Minny - Ponder replacing jackson....jury's still out

Redskins - RG3 replacing Grossman/Beck...see the colts explanation

Chiefs - Cassel replacing Thigpen/Croyle/Quinn...Garbage, garbage and more garbage

Jets, Bills, Raiders and the Browns.....literally 1 disaster after another.

you can go on and on with at least a couple more teams and pretty soon you'd be at about 1/2 - 3/4 of the league.

It's not about redemption with Schaub; most of you guys have to know deep down that he's a good qb...the best we have on the roster. Plus he wasn't solely the reason we went south towards the end of the season last year. That was a total team fail

 

[tru80texan]

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You're looking at exceptions...The rule however is teams more often than not fail in epic fashion when they go searching for that franchise guy to take them to the next level.....& save for the Bradys, Wilsons and Kapernicks, the overwhelming majority of guys considered to be great franchise altering qbs, almost always come in the 1st round....between picks 1-15..the area in the draft where we weren't this year and even if we were, you could argue we may have needed to address other positions before qb.

But for fun lets go back over the last 2 or so seasons and see how many teams attempted to address the position with actual talent as you say and see how many actually came out on top:

Jaguars - Gabbert replacing Gerrard.....trash

Titans - Locker replacing Collins/Young.....trash

Colts - Luck replacing Orlovsky/Manning.....looks like the real deal...but they had to get inside the top 5 in the draft to get him

Arizona - Kolb replacing Warner.....trash

Minny - Ponder replacing jackson....jury's still out

Redskins - RG3 replacing Grossman/Beck...see the colts explanation

Chiefs - Cassel replacing Thigpen/Croyle/Quinn...Garbage, garbage and more garbage

Jets, Bills, Raiders and the Browns.....literally 1 disaster after another.

you can go on and on with at least a couple more teams and pretty soon you'd be at about 1/2 - 3/4 of the league.

It's not about redemption with Schaub; most of you guys have to know deep down that he's a good qb...the best we have on the roster. Plus he wasn't solely the reason we went south towards the end of the season last year. That was a total team fail

49ers replaced Smith w/ Kaepernick- looks like success

Seattle replaced Hasselbeck w/ Wilson- once again...looks like success.

Cincy replaced Palmer w/ Dalton- success yet again. Growing trend here.

Dolphins draft Tannehill & the potential seems to be there.

The Raiders had a decent option in Palmer but they chose to break ties w/ someone they didn't feel was "their guy". Does not he was a disaster imo.

Which leads me to the Cardinals replacing Kolb w/ Palmer. Without a doubt a better option.

If the jury is still out on Ponder, I very much believe the same applies to Locker.

Let's not forget the teams that have drafted QB's recently that many believe have potential & are sitting & learning in Denver & Tampa Bay for example. There are options & other teams have explored them w/ some success. Just because the Texans choose not to doesn't necessarily mean that absolutely nothing exist that could potentially replace Schaub. I'm not saying that all those listed could outperform Schaub if he returns to his old self, but the Schaub that finished the 2012 could easily be pushed by many of them imo.

 

[infantrycak]

49ers replaced Smith w/ Kaepernick- looks like success

Seattle replaced Hasselbeck w/ Wilson- once again...looks like success.

Cincy replaced Palmer w/ Dalton- success yet again. Growing trend here.

Yeah, not much of a trend there and certainly not one of calculated QB replacement. Smith doesn't get replaced barring injury. Hasselbeck wasn't replaced by Wilson nor was he intended to be the starter. Palmer forced his way out of Cincy.

 

[noxiousdog]

49ers replaced Smith w/ Kaepernick- looks like success

Seattle replaced Hasselbeck w/ Wilson- once again...looks like success.

Can we give these guys more than one y year before we anoint them? Schaub has looked great at times too. Not that they aren't likely to be better than Schaub, especially with age in the equation, but don't be surprised if both of them struggle. Look at the problems Cam had the first half of the season.

Cincy replaced Palmer w/ Dalton- success yet again. Growing trend here.

Dolphins draft Tannehill & the potential seems to be there.

The Raiders had a decent option in Palmer but they chose to break ties w/ someone they didn't feel was "their guy". Does not he was a disaster imo.

Crazy talk. Schaub is better than all those guys. Tannehill has potential, but he's got a long way to go. There's nothing to suggest the others are or will ever be better than Schaub.

Schaub that finished the 2012 could easily be pushed by many of them imo.

I think Schaub's 2012 performance is more related to the loss of Dressen, Graham's injury, crappy right oline play, and Walter's decline.

But we'll see. Certainly the end of the Schaub era is nearing.

 

[tru80texan]

Yeah, not much of a trend there and certainly not one of calculated QB replacement. Smith doesn't get replaced barring injury. Hasselbeck wasn't replaced by Wilson nor was he intended to be the starter. Palmer forced his way out of Cincy.

Kaepernick was drafted early behind an established starter was the point. They didn't sit on their hands bringing in late round picks & other teams cast offs who didnt seem to have much potential. Kaepernick had potential & the 49ers took him. Smart move & injury was exactly one of the reasons why you bring a player w/ his potential in. That & of course shaky play, which Smith has experienced in the past. Let's not act as if Smith was an All Pro future HOF'er & injury was the only way he was capable of being ousted.

Carroll spoke highly of Wilson very early in the offseason. Obviously he saw some potential & they drafted him early as well. We can't act as if we knew Carroll's & Seattle's intentions concerning Wilson. Assuming he was drafted early not to be given an opportunity seems a bit shortsighted & in hindsight obviously inaccurate.

Palmer did force his way out of Cincy, but in the end it was Cincy who held all the cards in that situation. Palmer would've had to retire if Cincy chose not to trade him. Cincy got Dalton & he has played well, leading them to 2 playoff appearences & showing the potential to keep growing & getting better.

All 3 were drafted due to shaky QB situations & all 3 teams have faired pretty well imo.

 

[thunderkyss]

That was not the Matt Schaub that led the Texans to a win in Denver against a much better defense. Not the Matt Schaub that brought the Texans back against Jacksonville. There is a disconnect between the Matt Schaub of the 1st 12 weeks and the Matt Schaub that ended the season. Everyone has their own opinions as to why. But to suggest that what we saw was "just Matt" is putting your head in the sand.

Like I said. In the final 4 weeks of the season, Matt did not play any differently than he did @ Jacksonville, @ NYJets, vs GB, & all those games were before November. Prior to the bye Matt Schaub had 4 excellent games & 3 wtf games.

In November, Matt played equally as bad against Chicago & Detroit. Two poor games in November two good games.

He played "well" in one game in December & poorly in 4

The only difference is that we made other excuses for five of the first 12 weeks.

I'd like to throw the Miami game in there as well as the Texans got booed at home for the lack-luster offense. But the defense turned it on & made a game out of it.

Truthfully, now that I look at it, it's easier for me to see (say) that Matt struggled with his foot all season long, not just there at the end. If I were to try to argue that the foot was/is a bigger problem than they are letting on.

But I'm not.

 

[Mr teX]

49ers replaced Smith w/ Kaepernick- looks like success

Smith isn't replaced if he doesn't get hurt...

Seattle replaced Hasselbeck w/ Wilson- once again...looks like success.

Wilson wasn't even thought to be the starter going into camp ...that would be Matt Flynn whom they brought over from GB for a nice chunk of change. More than anything Carroll lucked up on Wilson.

Cincy replaced Palmer w/ Dalton- success yet again. Growing trend here.

Dalton is at best Schaub's equal. twice we've faced him with 2 different qb's and twice he's gone down with little to no resistance. Aside from that, Schaub's numbers across the board are better than his. Also, had you seen Palmer play recently? Dude was terrible. The Bengals only upgraded in the sense that they got a less TO prone qb for less money.

Dolphins draft Tannehill & the potential seems to be there.

Other people view potential as things you've yet to achieve. & thus far there is 0 reason to believe that Tannehill will be that much if at all better than what Schaub currently is at this point in his career.



The Raiders had a decent option in Palmer but they chose to break ties w/ someone they didn't feel was "their guy". Does not he was a disaster imo.

Which leads me to the Cardinals replacing Kolb w/ Palmer. Without a doubt a better option.
tallest midget philosophy at its finest right here.

If the jury is still out on Ponder, I very much believe the same applies to Locker.

1 guy has shown flashes and been to the playoffs...the other guy hasn't come close to doing anything.

Let's not forget the teams that have drafted QB's recently that many believe have potential & are sitting & learning in Denver & Tampa Bay for example. There are options & other teams have explored them w/ some success. Just because the Texans choose not to doesn't necessarily mean that absolutely nothing exist that could potentially replace Schaub. I'm not saying that all those listed could outperform Schaub if he returns to his old self, but the Schaub that finished the 2012 could easily be pushed by many of them imo.

Again, you've missed the point. Not only are the examples you pointed out weak, they still don't prove anything in your favor other than other teams being more willing to explore the possiblility of landing that franchise guy than the Texans are at this point....But what you're leaving out is that many of those other teams didn't have a bonafide starter-worthy qb in the 1st place...which is still why it's not the same situation as ours b/c we actually do have one.

 

[Mr teX]

Kaepernick was drafted early behind an established starter was the point. They didn't sit on their hands bringing in late round picks & other teams cast offs who didnt seem to have much potential. Kaepernick had potential & the 49ers took him. Smart move & injury was exactly one of the reasons why you bring a player w/ his potential in. That & of course shaky play, which Smith has experienced in the past. Let's not act as if Smith was an All Pro future HOF'er & injury was the only way he was capable of being ousted.


Carroll spoke highly of Wilson very early in the offseason. Obviously he saw some potential & they drafted him early as well. We can't act as if we knew Carroll's & Seattle's intentions concerning Wilson. Assuming he was drafted early not to be given an opportunity seems a bit shortsighted & in hindsight obviously inaccurate.

Palmer did force his way out of Cincy, but in the end it was Cincy who held all the cards in that situation. Palmer would've had to retire if Cincy chose not to trade him. Cincy got Dalton & he has played well, leading them to 2 playoff appearences & showing the potential to keep growing & getting better.

All 3 were drafted due to shaky QB situations & all 3 teams have faired pretty well imo.

y act as if Smith had proven anything to that point to be even considered a competent starter? He was starting, but by most coaches and fans accounts, he was a bust and shouldn't have been starting. & Once again that's not the case with us. We have a competent starting qb and the SF situation with Kap is just different from our situation.

& even if i give you Cincy that's still only 3 teams out of 32. Hardly any kind of track record or stellar success rate to base getting rid of a competent starter in search of a franchise guy for.

 

[tru80texan]

Again, you've missed the point. Not only are the examples you pointed out weak, they still don't prove anything in your favor other than other teams being more willing to explore the possiblility of landing that franchise guy than the Texans are at this point....But what you're leaving out is that many of those other teams didn't have a bonafide starter-worthy qb in the 1st place...which is still why it's not the same situation as ours b/c we actually do have one.

I don't think I've missed the point because I believe I have already stated that the Texans aren't in the same place because they are invested in Schaub & obviously have not given up on him based in their actions or lack thereof. I also stated earlier that I believe Schaub deserves the opportunity at redemption & expected it because it was roughly a hand full of games that he played poorly in. Hardly definitive sampling of nothing but poor play should he expected from him from here on out. My point was that IF the Texans did have major concerns then they have had options that they could've explored. There have been some successful alternatives other teams have drafted, so assuming Schaub is & was the the only successful option seems to be false, but as I've said before I did not expect the Texans to make a move at QB after 1 stint of poor play. Time will tell if a move will be needed in the near future. I personally don't know because I can't see the future as it seems other members on here can.

Smith was garbage before Harbaugh & after Harbaugh was average at best. Nothing more then a game manager. Assuming that Kaepernick wouldn't have had an opportunity to unseat him in the future w/out injury seems a bit silly.

Wilson took over in the preseason & drafting him in the 3rd round means somebody thought he had potential. You don't waste a 3rd rd pick on a player you believe is nothing more then a camp body imo. Did they luck out...possibly, but they took the risk & they seemed to have done well.

 

[tru80texan]

y act as if Smith had proven anything to that point to be even considered a competent starter? He was starting, but by most coaches and fans accounts, he was a bust and shouldn't have been starting. & Once again that's not the case with us. We have a competent starting qb and the SF situation with Kap is just different from our situation.

& even if i give you Cincy that's still only 3 teams out of 32. Hardly any kind of track record or stellar success rate to base getting rid of a competent starter in search of a franchise guy for.

The reason it is only 3 out of 32 is pretty simple. Not all 32 teams are in search or in need of quality QB's. C'mon now. Trying to exaggerate your point doesn't make it legit. I merely mentioned teams that had some success in acquiring a QB as you chose to leave them off of your prior list. It was merely a rebuttal to show that not all of the teams in search of a QB failed to acquire a quality one as you were implying by only listing the unsuccessful searches & acquisitions by some teams. Once again, I do agree the Texans are not in the same boat but quality options behind Schaub could never hurt & I'm not referring to S. McGee.

 

[Mr teX]

I don't think I've missed the point because I believe I have already stated that the Texans aren't in the same place because they are invested in Schaub & obviously have not given up on him based in their actions or lack thereof. I also stated earlier that I believe Schaub deserves the opportunity at redemption & expected it because it was roughly a hand full of games that he played poorly in. Hardly definitive sampling of nothing but poor play should he expected from him from here on out. My point was that IF the Texans did have major concerns then they have had options that they could've explored. There have been some successful alternatives other teams have drafted, so assuming Schaub is & was the the only successful option seems to be false, but as I've said before I did not expect the Texans to make a move at QB after 1 stint of poor play. Time will tell if a move will be needed in the near future. I personally don't know because I can't see the future as it seems other members on here can.

Smith was garbage before Harbaugh & after Harbaugh was average at best. Nothing more then a game manager. Assuming that Kaepernick wouldn't have had an opportunity to unseat him in the future w/out injury seems a bit silly.

Wilson took over in the preseason & drafting him in the 3rd round means somebody thought he had potential. You don't waste a 3rd rd pick on a player you believe is nothing more then a camp body imo. Did they luck out...possibly, but they took the risk & they seemed to have done well.

Hindsight is a helluva thing.

Harbaugh drafted Kap and brought in Scott Tolzien in the same year, 2010 i believe. he did this with Smith still on the roster. I think it's safe to say that Harbaugh was not going to let Smith get him fired & was fishing for anyone to eventually replace Smith... This isn't uncommon for new HC's to do b/c they want "their" guy.

Wilson on the other hand was different. He only fell b/c of his height..By all accounts he impressed the hell out of every coach and scout in the interview process and i speculate that if he ends up on any number of teams he's likely in the same position he is now. I'm only calling it mostly luck on Carroll's part b/c they'd just gave Flynn 30 million to come over. You don't make that move without thinking he's likely your starter. Also, if you look league wide, most players drafted in the 3rd aren't expected to become starters right away....let alone undersized qbs.

 

[Mr teX]

The reason it is only 3 out of 32 is pretty simple. Not all 32 teams are in search or in need of quality QB's. C'mon now. Trying to exaggerate your point doesn't make it legit. I merely mentioned teams that had some success in acquiring a QB as you chose to leave them off of your prior list. It was merely a rebuttal to show that not all of the teams in search of a QB failed to acquire a quality one as you were implying by only listing the unsuccessful searches & acquisitions by some teams. Once again, I do agree the Texans are not in the same boat but quality options behind Schaub could never hurt & I'm not referring to S. McGee.

I'm not implying that all teams in search of a qb failed to acquire one..i clearly stated that teams more often than not fail at trying to acquire quality qb's than they do succeed.

 

[Double Barrel]

If you're not trolling, what are you doing? What is all that all of that ^^ GARBAGE.

I think the word you are needing is "OBTUSE", not troll.

 

[kingtexan]

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You're looking at exceptions...The rule however is teams more often than not fail in epic fashion when they go searching for that franchise guy to take them to the next level.....& save for the Bradys, Wilsons and Kapernicks, the overwhelming majority of guys considered to be great franchise altering qbs, almost always come in the 1st round....between picks 1-15..the area in the draft where we weren't this year and even if we were, you could argue we may have needed to address other positions before qb.

But for fun lets go back over the last 2 or so seasons and see how many teams attempted to address the position with actual talent as you say and see how many actually came out on top:

Jaguars - Gabbert replacing Gerrard.....trash maybe not, he has not had anything solid in the OC or HC department since being there so may turn it around

Titans - Locker replacing Collins/Young.....trash ridiculous, Locker is worse than Young and Collins at the end of his career?

Colts - Luck replacing Orlovsky/Manning.....looks like the real deal...but they had to get inside the top 5 in the draft to get him

Arizona - Kolb replacing Warner.....trash Kolb never had a Oline in AZ

Minny - Ponder replacing jackson....jury's still out no it isnt, Ponder is better, just needs more game time

Redskins - RG3 replacing Grossman/Beck...see the colts explanation

Chiefs - Cassel replacing Thigpen/Croyle/Quinn...Garbage, garbage and more garbage

Jets, Bills, Raiders and the Browns.....literally 1 disaster after another. Raiders had Palmer who is better IMO and certainly no worse than Matt. In fact their new MATT may very well be better than ours this season.

you can go on and on with at least a couple more teams and pretty soon you'd be at about 1/2 - 3/4 of the league.

It's not about redemption with Schaub; most of you guys have to know deep down that he's a good qb...the best we have on the roster. Plus he wasn't solely the reason we went south towards the end of the season last year. That was a total team fail

Thoughts.

 

[tru80texan]

I think the word you are needing is "OBTUSE", not troll.

And to think I thought the best word to describe those that regurgitate another's thoughts w/out offering their own to the subject would be "simpleton".