Say no to our Jake Plummer clone in Houston

[thunderkyss]

If USC was able to convert 1&1/2 yards would we even be having this discussion. Also what is the "IT" factor. Bush won just as many games for his team as Young did.

Look, again for the one hundreth time. I don't care who the texans draft I just want the texans to make the rational and smart decision and not take a guy because he's from houston.

Now, I'm getting tired of this....... there are sooooooooo many reasons for drafting Vince, and not one of them is that he is from Houston. That is just the one thing that should make it easier.

Reggie is a legit #1 draft choice. Matt Lienart is a lefit #1 draft choice. Vince, is a legit #1 draft choice, get over it.

We need a new Running back, like Pamela Anderson needs more Breast Implants. Matt's more NFL ready......... Vince has more upside, and you just don't pass on a prospect like Vince....

He's thrown for more Yards than McNabb, He's run for more yards than Vick. He's lead the league in Passer efficiency all year. He was almost deadlike calm, when he was down by two scores, with 6 minutes to go in the game. He challenged his team to work outside of practice to get better. He watches film, and studies the game beyound what the coaches ask of him. He's improved every aspect of his game since leaving highschool, and right now, his skills, his abilities, his leadership, his poise, is off the charts......

His name will go down in the NFL history books. He will be somebody, and he will win superbowls(plural). And he's willing to take anyone willing with him.

that's what I want on my team. & I can't imagine anyone who wouldn't.

And....


.........he's from Houston.

 

[Carr Bombed]

well, your logic is hilarious.

UT's offense was Vince+ Thomas+ ALL UNDERCLASSMEN- none of them having more than 12 games experience(pittman,melton, and charles had no experience)

yet, USC's offense with Matt Leinart, Lendale White, Bush, Jarrett, Byrd, Smith was less complete than UTs? and you expect me to believe you are a longhorn?

I expect other longhorns to actually know something about football, and at least know about their team; you seem to be lost on both.


ah the ND game. where on 4th and 9 Matt LLeinart hit Dwayne Jarrett for a 60 yard pass and won the game shortly after with a qb sneak. but yet, it was somehow Reggie Bush that won this game? did you even watch it? Leinart won the game.

the infamous Fresno game. the game that won him the heisman. the game that people like you use as proof to reggie's skills (one game.... hypocrisy!) yet that game was nearly lost by a boneheaded fumble and then another boneheaded perfonal foul against Reggie at the end of the game.





and finally, Bush giving match up problems is more important than Vince being like 50+% of UT's offense?

im sorry, but there is no way you were a longhorn before the rose bowl, you're just way too uninformed.

no actually your rebutall is hilarious and filled with hypocrisy, especially when you quote the Fresno game as the game that won Reggie the hiesman, like the rosebowl didn't make Vince a top 5 pick. Also don't question my alliance to the horns, before I signed up for the service and was stationed across the country I drove hours to see them play.

Also yeah Reggie won the ND game for them, if he doesn't push Matt in they lose, say it with me they lose.

Also as far as Vince being 50% of UTs offense.....ah hello he's the QB, its not very uncommon for a qb to be atleast 50% of a teams offense, esecially a QB who's supposed to be NFL caliber, those aren't very high standards.

Also If you sit here and say that UT didn't have the better ovrl team I have to question whether or not you were a fan, regardless if they had under classmen (which btw is a weak point at best) They had a better statistical offense and defense, speaking of defense it wasn't even close. UT had one of the best defenses in the country (which btw Bush still avg. 6.7 yards a carry against)

You can call me whatever you want I really don't give a flying flip I know what I am

I just chose not to go bonkers over one game against one of the countries worst defenses.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Now, I'm getting tired of this....... there are sooooooooo many reasons for drafting Vince, and not one of them is that he is from Houston. That is just the one thing that should make it easier.

Reggie is a legit #1 draft choice. Matt Lienart is a lefit #1 draft choice. Vince, is a legit #1 draft choice, get over it.

We need a new Running back, like Pamela Anderson needs more Breast Implants. Matt's more NFL ready......... Vince has more upside, and you just don't pass on a prospect like Vince....

He's thrown for more Yards than McNabb, He's run for more yards than Vick. He's lead the league in Passer efficiency all year. He was almost deadlike calm, when he was down by two scores, with 6 minutes to go in the game. He challenged his team to work outside of practice to get better. He watches film, and studies the game beyound what the coaches ask of him. He's improved every aspect of his game since leaving highschool, and right now, his skills, his abilities, his leadership, his poise, is off the charts......

His name will go down in the NFL history books. He will be somebody, and he will win superbowls(plural). And he's willing to take anyone willing with him.

that's what I want on my team. & I can't imagine anyone who wouldn't.

And....


.........he's from Houston.

Actually Pamela had her boobs reduced a while back so if she wants an upgrade, Im not one to stop her.

 

[thunderkyss]

I wonder what the message boards said about Kerry Collins after a couple of years with Carolina starting from scratch.

we might have to check if there is a trend with rookie QB's with expansion teams


track record of rookies with expansion teams hmmm
Collins (carolina)
Couch (Cleveland)
Carr (Texans)

Brunell I believe was a veteran ..

Brunnell still wasn't afforded the curtesy we've afforded Carr. Brunell won some games. Brunell was the man. Then a rookie QB came in and replaced him his Rookie year.

 

[thunderkyss]

Im not saying "if reggie did X". I'm simply saying you shouldn't overreact and flip your whole draft upside down off one game, which despite what this city says is exactly what they're doing. Go back and look at the pre rosebowl polls and the polls after the rosebowl.

First, Reggie was watching that play, just like Vince.... and whether you believe it or not, it means something. Just like Lendale having more rushing touchdowns, than the homerun hitter.

Second, if it weren't for that one game, Vince would have been trying to win the National title as a Senior. It would not take away from the fact that he led the NCAA in YPCompletion, Effieciency, or having passed for 3000 yards, or winning 12 games in 2005.

You're telling me Vince could challenge REggie Bush for the Hiesman, Lendale can match his numbers, but only Reggie deservse to be in the top 10??

 

[thunderkyss]

Actually Pamela had her boobs reduced a while back so if she wants an upgrade, Im not one to stop her.

I'm talking about need.

But then your support for Reggie shows you don't quite understand needs.

 

[thunderkyss]

Also as far as Vince being 50% of UTs offense.....ah hello he's the QB, its not very uncommon for a qb to be atleast 50% of a teams offense, esecially a QB who's supposed to be NFL caliber, those aren't very high standards.

Are you serious?? tell me of another QB that counts as 50% of the teams offense, that won the National Championship.

Also If you sit here and say that UT didn't have the better ovrl team I have to question whether or not you were a fan, regardless if they had under classmen (which btw is a weak point at best) They had a better statistical offense and defense, speaking of defense it wasn't even close. UT had one of the best defenses in the country (which btw Bush still avg. 6.7 yards a carry against)

I want what you're smoking. Vince had the better defense, no question about that. on Offense, Matt, Reggie, and Lendale will more than likely go in the first hour of the NFL draft. All after Vince, but they'll go in the first hour.

You can call me whatever you want I really don't give a flying flip I know what I am

I just chose not to go bonkers over one game against one of the countries worst defenses.

If that was the only game Vince has done that to in the last two years you'd have a point. But being a UT fan, I don't need to tell you, that it wasn't....... not by a longshot.

 

[Carr Bombed]

First, Reggie was watching that play, just like Vince.... and whether you believe it or not, it means something. Just like Lendale having more rushing touchdowns, than the homerun hitter.

Second, if it weren't for that one game, Vince would have been trying to win the National title as a Senior. It would not take away from the fact that he led the NCAA in YPCompletion, Effieciency, or having passed for 3000 yards, or winning 12 games in 2005.

You're telling me Vince could challenge REggie Bush for the Hiesman, Lendale can match his numbers, but only Reggie deservse to be in the top 10??

I don't understand what your trying to get at, I reconize Vince had a great year, but the fact remains before this game teams didn't have him in the top 10. I thought Vince deserved the heisman.

Also the Horns should have gone undefeated, they were the best TEAM. All they had to do was get passed Ohio and USC, which were their only challenges all year.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I'm talking about need.

But then your support for Reggie shows you don't quite understand needs.

Ah...No...Go back and look at my history. I've stated many times I don't know what we should do with the first pick and I'm not a "Reggie Homer". I just don't think A team should flip their draft upside down over one game. However as far as you saying we don't need a rb (implicating that a qb is more of a need, which it isn't). I say if you really supported drafting on need, then we NEED olineman and defensive players.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I understand what you are trying to get at (and by the way, I am not defending Carr, but trying to figure out how to judge QB's generally) but the questions become what are the intangibles and how do you judge them. It is apparent IMO that what many people view as intangibles are aided greatly by a good team (more W's) and good pass protection (direct correlation to QB rating IMO). As Vinny pointed out the other day and I agree--Manning isn't the best leader around (although he is certainly a great QB otherwise), but generally he benefits from a heck of a surrounding cast and very little pressure.

I think I know where the Texans are going at QB next season regardless of where I may want them to go and will still support them. It is going to be interesting to see how things turn out IMO.

Good post and I do understand where everyone is coming from I don't know how to quantify it either, I am just going on my personal thoughts that I posted last week and trying to look at the situation from what else I learn. We will have to see what direction they go and then see how Carr progresses in whatever situation he is in.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Are you serious?? tell me of another QB that counts as 50% of the teams offense, that won the National Championship.

Well counting passing and rushing, almost every other great college qb that played the game

I want what you're smoking. Vince had the better defense, no question about that. on Offense, Matt, Reggie, and Lendale will more than likely go in the first hour of the NFL draft. All after Vince, but they'll go in the first hour.

ah I don't smoke anything and get drug tested on a regular basis. Also I don't give a rats *** where players are drafted. Satistacly, ALL YEAR the horns had the better offense. The college game and where players are taken in the draft is irrevalent

If that was the only game Vince has done that to in the last two years you'd have a point. But being a UT fan, I don't need to tell you, that it wasn't....... not by a longshot.

No it wasn't, but until that game we didn't have ridiculous "Vince is going to save the world" threads.

 

[gg no re]

What's uglier? Plummer's current beard or Carr's old hair?

On another note, the board has succeeded to meeting my expectations by coming out with another explosion of one-day judgements.

Final note: Pittsburgh has a fascinating defense. Rips apart a lot more offenses then you think they would.

 

[TEXANRED]

Funny in the last two weeks, they were being pressured by divisional caliber playoff defenses, and all the quarterbacks were criticized for their bad play. Not one escaped scrutiny...

And Vince Young is being touted the best College football player of all time. He's coming off the best football game of his career, where he quarterbacked an underdog team to a victory, and won the game himself, in the last 6 minutes of regulation. And, he's coming out of college early, annddd we've got the #1 pick.

You've got to be fooling yourself, if you don't think everyone who voted Reggie for the Heisman isn't kicking themselves in the rear right now.

Do you know for a fact that Carr is going to have a probowl year next year?? Do you know for a fact that Carr is going to do all the things we think he can?? I believe.... that he won't. AFAIK, no one has.. no one has performed as dismally as David has, then turned his game around, untill he was traded. No one has played at Carr's level, for four years, then turned around and played at a probowl level, unless he got traded.

How can Vince be the best college football player of all times when they are saying that about Bush? You cant have two players be the best player ever. So which is it? Well I guess if you are in Texas its Vince but the other 49 states are still saying Bush.

So answer me a question. How do you know Young will be great? Young will be a leader, a pro bowl QB, the mentality to take a beating the way Carr does? You are sounding pretty sure about yourself so I must know your secret. My magik 8-ball is still on the fritz after it predicted a 12-4 season.

No one is kicking themselves for voting on Reggie, also I wouldnt exactly say the Longhorns were the underdog of the year. They were number two in the nation. We are not talking about Rudy. I'm not seeing a movie anytime soon about the down trodden Horns and how they scrapped there way to the top.

Plummer was a FA. He wasent traded.

 

[AustinJB]

No it wasn't, but until that game we didn't have ridiculous "Vince is going to save the world" threads.

Repeat...repeat...repeat...repeat.....Again, until that game, VY was returning to play his senior season AND therefore, Carr was our best option. Once VY declared, many feel that Carr is no longer our best option. If VY was not entering the draft, the talk would ALL be of Bush vs. trading down.

 

[thunderkyss]

Repeat...repeat...repeat...repeat.....Again, until that game, VY was returning to play his senior season AND therefore, Carr was our best option. Once VY declared, many feel that Carr is no longer our best option. If VY was not entering the draft, the talk would ALL be of Bush vs. trading down.

Austin... I could've sworn that I told you the next time you talk for me, get mean... snarl a little bit. Bark like a big dog.


Other than that, I've gotta give you another high five for understanding exactly what I was saying.

Even though that should've been pretty obvious to a UT fan.

 

[AustinJB]

How can Vince be the best college football player of all times when they are saying that about Bush? You cant have two players be the best player ever. So which is it? Well I guess if you are in Texas its Vince but the other 49 states are still saying Bush.

VY is looking like the best college football player of all time at QB. Bush is the same at RB.

What it boils down to is, do you want the best college QB (who touches the ball every snap) or the best college RB (who touches it 25+ times a game at best)? That is the question? No secret....I prefer VY b/c I prefer:

QB......POTENTIALLY great (w/ good QB coach in Kubes)
RB.....Good (especially w/ Kubes philosophy)
WR.....Potential All-Pro
OL....fix through draft and FA

as opposed to:

QB.....Average (even w/ good QB coach)
RB....POTENTIALLY great
WR.....Potential All-Pro
OL....fix through draft and FA

Just depends on which you think is the best recipe for success.

 

[TEXANRED]

Repeat...repeat...repeat...repeat.....Again, until that game, VY was returning to play his senior season AND therefore, Carr was our best option. Once VY declared, many feel that Carr is no longer our best option. If VY was not entering the draft, the talk would ALL be of Bush vs. trading down.

Not true. If Vince Young was from Pittsburg we wouldnt be having this debate. To many Horn fans want to continue to watch there boy. Lienart is still the better QB of the two. No one has even mentioned Lienart.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Repeat...repeat...repeat...repeat.....Again, until that game, VY was returning to play his senior season AND therefore, Carr was our best option. Once VY declared, many feel that Carr is no longer our best option. If VY was not entering the draft, the talk would ALL be of Bush vs. trading down.

repeat....repeat....repeat...No I've heard this argument before and many draft predictors have stated If Young came out he would be taken between the 10 and 15 spot before the rose bowl. There was a national poll taken on espn (After the rose bowl) and the only people that feel Young should be taken #1 (eventually replacing Carr) is people in Texas. People across the county said we would be crazy to take Young.

Again I don't want my franchise nor my head coach making a decision and flipping their draft off one game, which despite what the other horns fans say would be exactly what they would be doing.

 

[TEXANRED]

VY is looking like the best college football player of all time at QB. Bush is the same at RB.

What it boils down to is, do you want the best college QB (who touches the ball every snap) or the best college RB (who touches it 25+ times a game at best)? That is the question? No secret....I prefer VY b/c I prefer:

QB......POTENTIALLY great (w/ good QB coach in Kubes)
RB.....Good (especially w/ Kubes philosophy)
WR.....Potential All-Pro
OL....fix through draft and FA

as opposed to:

QB.....Average (even w/ good QB coach)
RB....POTENTIALLY great
WR.....Potential All-Pro
OL....fix through draft and FA

Just depends on which you think is the best recipe for success.

So what you are hinting at is that Carr is going to be average no matter what?

I will say it again, Lienart's two national championships and the heisman and a 37-2 college record is much more impressive then what Young has done thus far. In my opinion.

 

[Carr Bombed]

So what you are hinting at is that Carr is going to be average no matter what?

I will say it again, Lienart's two national championships and the heisman and a 37-2 college record is much more impressive then what Young has done thus far. In my opinion.

sshhh.......don't tell people that Lienart was 37-2 and played in much closer games under greater pressure and didn't have the luxury of a great defense and is a much more NFL ready QB. (which is why VY is going to drop to the titans). Don't tell people that if they truly believe the QB position is a need Lienart is the best NFL, again NFL QB in the draft. Don't tell then that despite losing the Rose Bowl Lienart had a great game against the countries toughest defense.

 

[thunderkyss]

So what you are hinting at is that Carr is going to be average no matter what?

I will say it again, Lienart's two national championships and the heisman and a 37-2 college record is much more impressive then what Young has done thus far. In my opinion.

That's a good argument... One that I'd have trouble arguing. But if you don't think we should replace Carr with Lienart, then this is a moot point.

One of the things that has me high on Vince, is our inability to build a half decent O-line in 4 years. Matt would get killed here next year.

 

[Carr Bombed]

One of the things that has me high on Vince, is our inability to build a half decent O-line in 4 years. Matt would get killed here next year.

Uh...and so would Vince (Did you see the Oline he played behind this and last year...greatest oline in the country) and every other QB

 

[AustinJB]

So what you are hinting at is that Carr is going to be average no matter what?

I will say it again, Lienart's two national championships and the heisman and a 37-2 college record is much more impressive then what Young has done thus far. In my opinion.

I don't think I was hinting at all. Yes, Carr will ALWAYS be an average QB. That based upon his demeanor, attitude, etc., and just the way he performs when I see him play. Can a team still be successful w/ an average QB? Yes. Broncos were "successful" this year, but I dare say that no one will ever say that Plummer is a GREAT QB (not necessarily saying Carr is exactly like Plummer, just that he is a similar type of QB).

tsk...tsk...tsk....ONE BCS National Championship. And if you can honestly say that you would rather have Lienart at the helm of your team than VY, then I can definitely see why you would rather just keep Carr. Based upon the things that I've witnessed VY doing w/ his athletic ability, decision making, leadership, etc...it is VY hands down IMO.
Seemed like Pete Carroll may have thought so too after the Rose Bowl when he said about VY, "There's nobody like this. There's guys who can run, there's guys who can throw, there's quick guys and all that. But nobody's ever been this fast."

 

[thunderkyss]

repeat....repeat....repeat...No I've heard this argument before and many draft predictors have stated If Young came out he would be taken between the 10 and 15 spot before the rose bowl. There was a national poll taken on espn (After the rose bowl) and the only people that feel Young should be taken #1 (eventually replacing Carr) is people in Texas. People across the county said we would be crazy to take Young.

Again I don't want my franchise nor my head coach making a decision and flipping their draft off one game, which despite what the other horns fans say would be exactly what they would be doing.

You're right here....... but...

but... I've stated many times, I don't see how anyone can project Reggie Bush as the best Running Back in the draft, or as a legitimate #1 overall, when every report has him returning punts, and working out of the backfield, more than from the backfield, as a running back. If he's supposed to be the next Ladainian Tomlinson, then I could understand, but he's supposed to be the next Michael Westbrook, and I'm just not seeing using the #1 overall to get the next Westbrook.

 

[AustinJB]

Again I don't want my franchise nor my head coach making a decision and flipping their draft off one game, which despite what the other horns fans say would be exactly what they would be doing.

What are you talking about? How would they be flipping their draft after one game? I dare say that there was never a concrete decision to draft Bush....at least not by the organization, maybe by some fans. The organization may have been leaning towards a certain decision, but you don't make a final decision until you have ALL of the facts and factors. That ONE game just happens to be part of the equation.

How can you "flip the draft" when McNair, Casserly & co. have all said that nothing is set. We didn't even have a coach!!

 

[thunderkyss]

What are you talking about? How would they be flipping their draft after one game? I dare say that there was never a concrete decision to draft Bush....at least not by the organization, maybe by some fans. The organization may have been leaning towards a certain decision, but you don't make a final decision until you have ALL of the facts and factors. That ONE game just happens to be part of the equation.

How can you "flip the draft" when McNair, Casserly & co. have all said that nothing is set. We didn't even have a coach!!

And that decision won't be made, until the final seconds on the clock after Tagliabooboo anounces "The Houston Texans are on the clock"

 

[Carr Bombed]

and working out of the backfield, more than from the backfield, as a running back.

Does that even make sense. Again I'm not a Bush guy...I'm not a Vince guy....I'm a best for team guy and regardless what you say drafting Vince would be a reach

 

[thunderkyss]

Everybody says he'll be a reciever more than he'll be a back. I'm saying if that's the case, then why don't we just get a reciever.

 

[Carr Bombed]

What are you talking about? How would they be flipping their draft after one game? I dare say that there was never a concrete decision to draft Bush....at least not by the organization, maybe by some fans.

Umm......I hate to tell you this BUT....everytime he have brought in a Head Coach canidate they've been doing nothing but reviewing Bush game tape. Thus before this game their mind was set and after this game I don't think they've changed their mind.

 

[Nighthawk]

First of all I'm sick of the zero leadership posts. Lets see Carr was put behind the worst offensive line in NFL history, its kinda hard to lead a team down the field when you can't even get off your back.

Maybe Carr looks like a whiner because all his defenders are whiners! Oh, poor Davy. Fall on his back alla time. No line. No receivers. No running game. Hey! Line In The Sand Guy! Wake the freak up! Put a stopwatch on Ben Rothlisbergeron and see him get the ball out in 2 secs time after time. And when he HAS time, he has 3.5-4 seconds. Give Carr the same amt of time and he's still pulling up his drawers!

When the meat hits the road I believe the Texans will take Vince Young. He's the IMPACT PLAYER you can't pass up.

 

[texplayer2]

Seemed like Pete Carroll may have thought so too after the Rose Bowl when he said about VY, "There's nobody like this. There's guys who can run, there's guys who can throw, there's quick guys and all that. But nobody's ever been this fast."

Pete Carroll, unlike his young QB, was being a good loser. You can't say much after a loss in the Big Game on Campus. I don't truly believe he meant that as a line on Vince Young's resume as being better than Lienert at the next level. Both are going to be good prospects. All this talk about Vince Superman Young being "IT" have to do with circumstances, not just his ability. Good O-line, and TIMELY Defensive stop won the Rose Bowl. He and Lienert had good games and they both also had REAL GOOD TEAMS. Give Lienert the ball and 1 or 2 min. down by 5-6 pts. and the EXACT SAME thing could have happened. Ask Notre Dame 4th and 9 goes for Sixty.(COLLEGE FOOTBALL)

 

[Carr Bombed]

Maybe Carr looks like a whiner because all his defenders are whiners! Oh, poor Davy. Fall on his back alla time. No line. No receivers. No running game. Hey! Line In The Sand Guy! Wake the freak up! Put a stopwatch on Ben Rothlisbergeron and see him get the ball out in 2 secs time after time. And when he HAS time, he has 3.5-4 seconds. Give Carr the same amt of time and he's still pulling up his drawers!

When the meat hits the road I believe the Texans will take Vince Young. He's the IMPACT PLAYER you can't pass up.

Hahahaha....your funny. Its been a couple of hours since you posted on this topic, did it take that long for this response. Ben Rothlisberger getting the ball out in 2 secs, thats a joke,(isn't it, I mean it has to be) I taped the game and have reviewed it. Ben only having 2 sec. to throw.....hmm....not likely. Im not even going to respond to this. Again Ben only having 2 sec. to throw, I had a crappy christmas...thanks for the laugh. Hahahaha

 

[AustinJB]

Hahahaha....your funny. Its been a couple of hours since you posted on this topic, did it take that long for this response. Ben Rothlisberger getting the ball out in 2 secs, thats a joke,(isn't it, I mean it has to be) I taped the game and have reviewed it. Ben only having 2 sec. to throw.....hmm....not likely. Im not even going to respond to this. Again Ben only having 2 sec. to throw, I had a crappy christmas...thanks for the laugh. Hahahaha

Whatever...maybe so, haven't reviewed it that close. But can you honestly tell me that Carr would have made the play that Ben did when he was rolling to his left (under pressure) and threw a perfect pass over three defenders for a TD? Lord knows, Carr has had plenty of chances (given that he is always on the run) to make a similar play. I don't remember one...do you?

 

[kbourda]

Pete Carroll, unlike his young QB, was being a good loser. You can't say much after a loss in the Big Game on Campus. I don't truly believe he meant that as a line on Vince Young's resume as being better than Lienert at the next level. Both are going to be good prospects. All this talk about Vince Superman Young being "IT" have to do with circumstances, not just his ability. Good O-line, and TIMELY Defensive stop won the Rose Bowl. He and Lienert had good games and they both also had REAL GOOD TEAMS. Give Lienert the ball and 1 or 2 min. down by 5-6 pts. and the EXACT SAME thing could have happened. Ask Notre Dame 4th and 9 goes for Sixty.(COLLEGE FOOTBALL)

If you are going to say that, Leinart had the ball to basically kill the Longhorns chance of even winning. Did he pull it off?

 

[AustinJB]

If you are going to say that, Leinart had the ball to basically kill the Longhorns chance of even winning. Did he pull it off?

Yeah, seems like he came up w/ a 4th and 2 during his chance to be the hero.

 

[kbourda]

Does that even make sense. Again I'm not a Bush guy...I'm not a Vince guy....I'm a best for team guy and regardless what you say drafting Vince would be a reach

A Reach? Wow. Are you willing to give the man any credit?

 

[Carr Bombed]

A Reach? Wow. Are you willing to give the man any credit?

By "the man" I"m assuming you mean Young. Yes like I said before I'm a UT fan and Yes Young deserves much credit, buy before "the game" many believed Leinart deserved alot of credit, but soon after many are acting like he never played college ball.

Young was a GREAT GREAT player I just think he would be a reach at the pro level.

 

[AustinJB]

By "the man" I"m assuming you mean Young. Yes like I said before I'm a UT fan and Yes Young deserves much credit, buy before "the game" many believed Leinart deserved alot of credit, but soon after many are acting like he never played college ball.

Young was a GREAT GREAT player I just think he would be a reach at the pro level.

I find it hard to believe that a UT fan (who should have seen all of VY's games) thinks that VY would be a reach in the pro level. What makes him "a reach?"

Is it his 6'5 230lb. NFL frame?
Is it his 4.4 (unofficial until pro day) speed?
Is it his 65.2 comp%?
Is it his ungodly athletic ability?
Is it his 'always have fun, be cool and poised no matter what the situation' demeanor?
Is it his leadership and teamwork skills?
Is it his ability to read defenses?
Is it his 3/4 throwing motion?
Is it his inexperience taking the snap from behind the center as opposed to shotgun?

If you're worried about the throwing motion and snaps behind center, those are technical issues that coaching will be able to correct. EVERY college QB has SOME "weakness" that they have to work on once they enter the NFL. Do you honestly think VY isn't smart enough to learn and improve on these things? Do you think he isn't talented enought to adjust to taking the snap a different way? Please! He improved his passing in the off-season working w/ his young recievers virtually by himself. The coaches were not even allowed to work w/ them when VY and others decided to improve their game. W/ all his physical qualities and this determination and work ethic...what makes him a reach?

He is no more of a reach than any other college player coming into the NFL IMO.

 

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How fast is a 300 pound QB going to be in the NFL? 230? Who are they trying to kid. Seriously. Have you seen him lately? They had him on TV when he was signing autographs this weekend($75.00 a pop, $100.00 for a picture. Talk about cashing in on being a hometown hero, not even an NFL QB) he looked like he was about to eat the reporters fingers.

Hey, I know, maybe in all his greatness he is bulking to be his own O-line. He is going to hike himself the ball, throw himself the ball, hand the ball off to himself. He may even play a little linebacker or DT.

If the Youngers on the board are serious about Carr not being able to cut it(and I disagree) then from a talent, leader, winner standpoint, then Lienart is or should be our only real choice. But thats my opinion.

 

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Man these post get more hilarious everyday.Reggie,Vince,Matt.Who cares all are POTENTIAL and i repeat POTENTIAL NFL standouts.How can ya"ll seriously sit here and say any of them can come in and SAVE the Texans.In college you may have 3-5 probable nfl picks on a team.The NFl is full of College greats.My meaning is in college you may have to beat 1 or 2 guys tto go all the way.In the NFL you have to get past 11.The talent in the NFl can make some College standouts look like sandlot players with no buisness being in uniform.:brickwall As far as the QB debate.Carr has not looked that good,most of the time.But i cannot start to count how many times i watched Carr drop back on a 3 step drop and not even be able to setup because a defender was already in his face.Nobody and i mean nobody can perform in those circumstances.Give him protection and a couple more weapons,and you will be praying at Carrs feet.