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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

Bulls on Parade said:
Tom Savage is a free agent after this season.
If we trade him before the deadline next month...
What could we possibly get? A 6th round pick maybe?
He cost us a 4th. We'd be selling low on our initial investment.
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A RD6 is still better than nothing and if packaging him with DB (as mentioned by another contributor) could gain a better return...why not? The Texans would only be prolonging the inevitable.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Reality hat is on!!! RS, McNair and O'Brien have convinced themselves that Watson gives the team the best chance at winning. Savage will not see the field again as the Texans QB1. Even if Watson were to get injured and Savage handles the opportunity...he's not going to be in the plans to start, he would go back to being QB2 the moment Watson is healthy enough to return. Anyhow, Savage is going to walk next season and find a team who will give him a legitimate chance at starting. So, with this reality in mind....

The Texans need to trade Savage this season while he could possibly return them something versus nothing. Weeden is readily available to carry the QB2 torch for the Texans for the rest of 2017. Remember, the Texans are missing some picks in 2018 and could use as many as possible to try and make up for RS's massive blunder. I think there could be a very real chance that Savage could return a pick as good as a RD3 or at worse a RD5 b/c most teams would realize they would be hard pressed to get a potential QB in RD3 - RD5 that would be ready to play or compete right away.

Trading DB and Savage now could help undo RS's $crew-ups from last season.
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I'd do this in a heartbeat. There's no chance we're going to see post season action and Savage will not make a difference. Trade him.
 
sandman said:
I have wanted Savage to succeed as much as the next guy, but what teams out there are going to look at his four years here in Houston and say that this is a guy they want to have competing for QB1 on their team? What stats/accomplishments will they base their assessment on? Will teams have an interest in him as a backup? Sure. But as a starter? That they are willing to give up any picks for, much less something above the 6th or 7th round? I'm just not seeing it. IMHO.
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Doesn't matter. You make the effort.
 
Number19 said:
I'd do this in a heartbeat. There's no chance we're going to see post season action and Savage will not make a difference. Trade him.
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Of course you would. Now try to imagine the trade scenarios the Seahawk fans are coming up with.
 
infantrycak said:
Except it's not nothing as he would go into the compensatory pick determination.
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As a former 4th rounder with very little playing time, Savage would count very little toward the compensatory process.

Unless somebody sign him to a crazy amount.

A year ago, the Broncos lost:

Osweiler (and his stupid contract to the Texans
Malik Jackson (6 years $85.5M with Jaguars
Danny Trevathan (4 years $28M
Evan Mathis 1 yr $4M
David Bruton 3 years $9.2M
Vernon Davis 1 year $2.4M

They signed
Okung (basically to a $5.2M one year contract)
Jared Crick 2yr $4M
Donald Stepheson 1 yr $2.5M

For that, they got a late third (37 in the round, 101 overall),
A late fifth (34 in the round)
And the last two picks in the 7th

The Texans would basically get nothing unless they don't sign any FA themselves AND somebody give Savage a stupid crazy contract that is even bigger than Osweiler's.
 
sandman said:
Make the effort to try and trade him? I wasn't contending that point. I was simply stating that there might be some unrealistic expectations by certain posters as to his worth to other teams. Especially when they can sign him as a FA after the season and not give up any picks.
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Haven't you ever bargained? You always start high and who knows, some team may. Be desperate or places a higher value than expected. They usually counter at a lower price. You, maybe, reach a compromise somewhere in between.

So a #3 is too high. But maybe a 4. A 5 is certainly in the realm of possibility. Maybe a player in exchange is offered.

The point you all are picking at is that OptimisticTexan brought up the idea of offering up Savage as trade bait. This idea, I believe, had not been previously auggested.
 
The Savage man love is strong in this thread. To think NFL teams are pining for Savage and willing to give up a draft pick on a 4th year QB with zero TD passes on an expiring contract is hilarious. I don't think I've ever had such irrational fantasy love.

OK, maybe Kate Beckinsale.
 
So what some of you are referencing....the Texans are the only NFL team with an idiot owner and GM? I'd go out on a limb here and state that a team who gave up a RD4 for Savage would wind up with a better deal than the 72M McNair and RS gave Osweiler. Should we also include the cost RS paid and McNair approved to get rid of this wonderful brain flatulance? Certainly the Texans cannot be the sole owners of a dynamic duo such as these two...right?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
So what some of you are referencing....the Texans are the only NFL team with an idiot owner and GM? I'd go out on a limb here and state that a team who gave up a RD4 for Savage would wind up with a better deal than the 72M McNair and RS gave Osweiler. Should we also include the cost RS paid and McNair approved to get rid of this wonderful brain flatulance? Certainly the Texans cannot be the sole owners of a dynamic duo such as these two...right?
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"Brain flatulance." Absolutely LOL classic, while being so damn sad and true. I think Brain Flatulance is a much better name than Brain Trust for the Texans FO.
 
Why is he still here. Weeden much better backup. Oh too late. Maybe Weeden will be let go before we need him. Everyone can see on this team Savage is not a capable backup.
 
No one need give up anything for Savage. After this season he will walk and attempt to resurrect his career somewhere else. Someone, somewhere will give him a shot because literally everybody in the NFL gets another chance. QB is just too bare a cupboard for many teams to not take a look at every possible option and someone will think that if Savage gets protection he can play. I agree with that and it's not "Savage man love" or any such nonsense. It's just obvious that he's a poor fit for our offense. Doesn't mean he's a poor fit for everyone else's offense.

If he requires a monster OL to be effective though that's not going to help his cause. There just aren't too many teams with that kind of protection out there. The days of a QB standing tall surrounded by an impenetrable wall of "hawgs" are long gone (if they ever really existed at all).
 
Hervoyel said:
No one need give up anything for Savage. After this season he will walk and attempt to resurrect his career somewhere else. Someone, somewhere will give him a shot because literally everybody in the NFL gets another chance. QB is just too bare a cupboard for many teams to not take a look at every possible option and someone will think that if Savage gets protection he can play. I agree with that and it's not "Savage man love" or any such nonsense. It's just obvious that he's a poor fit for our offense. Doesn't mean he's a poor fit for everyone else's offense.

If he requires a monster OL to be effective though that's not going to help his cause. There just aren't too many teams with that kind of protection out there. The days of a QB standing tall surrounded by an impenetrable wall of "hawgs" are long gone (if they ever really existed at all).
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In the Jacksonville game, BoB didn't do much to help Savage when the OL was playing extremely poorly. Savage does not have the mobility of Watson, but based on college film he does have some mobility. They could have run some roll-outs, screens, quick slants, etc., but BoB made no adjustments to help Tom. I think BoB had already made up his mind he was going to replace Tom and the poor offensive play (which was a team issue, not a strictly Savage issue) just gave him the right opportunity to make the switch.

How much (if any) of the poor play was the result of poor decisions by Savage pre-snap/post-snap and not making the correct adjustments we will never know. Even if that was the case it could have been worked on and fixed IMO. Tom had limited game experience and a learning curve should be expected. I think the decision to move on so quickly from Savage was more about Watson coming on quickly and his ability/talent level than Tom's deficiencies. Based on what we are seeing so far from Watson, how many NFL QB's could keep him on the bench?
 
Texas Jake said:
In the Jacksonville game, BoB didn't do much to help Savage when the OL was playing extremely poorly. Savage does not have the mobility of Watson, but based on college film he does have some mobility. They could have run some roll-outs, screens, quick slants, etc., but BoB made no adjustments to help Tom. I think BoB had already made up his mind he was going to replace Tom and the poor offensive play (which was a team issue, not a strictly Savage issue) just gave him the right opportunity to make the switch.

How much (if any) of the poor play was the result of poor decisions by Savage pre-snap/post-snap and not making the correct adjustments we will never know. Even if that was the case it could have been worked on and fixed IMO. Tom had limited game experience and a learning curve should be expected. I think the decision to move on so quickly from Savage was more about Watson coming on quickly and his ability/talent level than Tom's deficiencies. Based on what we are seeing so far from Watson, how many NFL QB's could keep him on the bench?
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I honestly think Savage's problem is he tends to hold on to the ball way too long. I noticed it in preseason and the first half of the Jacksonville game. He took too long on those quick 3 steps. Maybe he thought the line would take longer to protect him but obviously that wasn't the case.
 
santo said:
I honestly think Savage's problem is he tends to hold on to the ball way too long. I noticed it in preseason and the first half of the Jacksonville game. He took too long on those quick 3 steps. Maybe he thought the line would take longer to protect him but obviously that wasn't the case.
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I don't know. He was getting the ball out pretty quickly. Part of the problem was his receivers weren't getting open. I know the knock on Savage has been he holds on to the ball too long. I wonder if that has been repeated so often they people tend to expect/see it. Not saying you are wrong on the 3 step drops, just not sure. Regardless, I think more playing time would help Savage and that is what he needs most to progress. I definitely see a difference in the decision making and getting the ball out between he and Watson and it is not just Watson's allusiveness. The difference is not so much of a knock on Tom as kudos to Watson. So far, Watson is showing some elite-level performance that is totally unexpected from a rookie. We will have to see how much of it is an aberration and if he can maintain that level of play. Only time will tell, but I am inclined to think that time is on Watson's side. ;)
 
For everyone who "noticed that Savage holds the ball too long" there's a guy out there timing the plays and pointing out that he isn't holding the ball too long. This is like some kind of mantra that won't go away because people are convinced he holds the ball too long and don't want facts to get in the way. Now, what is entirely fair to ask and open to discussion is "How long is too long?" and "How long should you reasonably expect to have?" The answer to that is really "Well how long do you have?". If you're playing for the Houston Texans in the 2017 season opener against Jacksonville you ain't got very long at all.

There is "what you should have to work with" and "what you actually get to work with" and Savage was not able to do anything with what he got. Nothing else really matters. It just wasn't happening and no, Bill O'Brien didn't do a damn thing to help him out. That was (IMO) a "Sink or swim" moment for Savage, possibly even by design. We all are so used to seeing O'Brien pull QB's and swap them out by this time that we assume he's just making it up as he goes (it sure looks like it) but maybe he wasn't seeing what he wanted out of Savage all preseason. Efficient? Yes. Really making things happen? Not so much.

He probably just thought that if all he was going to get out of Savage was efficient play why not start working on Watson? I'm sure I along with some others overvalued Savage's knowledge. This isn't a team where a smart, meticulous, and not particularly fast or athletic QB is going to thrive (or apparently even make it through a complete game). Not anymore.

Thank God for that.
 
Double Barrel said:
Savage is a perennial backup, just like Sage Rosenfels and TJ Yates.
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Possibly, I think there is a chance he could be more, but at this stage in his career I think that is the perception and it will be hard for him to break it. Based on what I have seen the last several years in the NFL, backups signed from other teams by teams needing starters tend to be supplanted before the season starts by other options (usually high draft picks). IMO, the best chance Savage has at becoming a starter is for him to be a backup on a team where the starter goes down and he comes in and earns the job. Could happen, but the odds are not in his favor.

P.S. It will be interesting to see what happens after the season and Tom's contract ends. Will he resign with the Texans or try to go somewhere else where he has a better chance of starting?
 
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Over time whether it's fair or not the perception becomes the reality. The "hasn't thrown a TD pass" thing is starting to hang around his neck like a dead rat on a string. Last week when he came in I was really hoping that he'd get that particular monkey off his back if for no other reason than to just shut the critics up on that point. He had about enough time to cut a fart before he was sacked on the one drop back he took and all that did was inspire the critics to come up with clever stuff like BigBull just gave us.

We've all seen Savage hit guys in the end zone and watched them drop the ball but until someone holds on to the damned thing he's the guy who has yet to throw a touchdown pass. That's the reality of it. Case Keenum was the guy who finished the season without winning a game in 2013. Didn't matter that he flashed many times during the season he just didn't win any games so we were on to the next option and well we should because even though there were multiple games in 2013 where the defense failed to hold up its end of the bargain and even though you couldn't pin all those losses on Case Keenum he still didn't win any games. Tom Savage still hasn't thrown any touchdowns.

Follow Keenum's career for a while and you see a pattern. He can't push the team to a win. He can do his part and when everything else is rolling along he can look like the real thing. Two weeks ago for Minnesota he was vintage UH Case Keenum throwing for 369 yards and 3 TD's. Vikings win and you're thinking How come Keenum ain't starting for somebody. A week later he's barely over 50%, 219 yards and not a TD in sight.

I really think that's the territory Savage will end up in. He is a career backup at best. Might have a few moments like Case has and he might tease a HC or two into thinking he can carry them for a while but he's unlikely to ever be more than we've seen. The longer it goes on the more true that becomes.

David Carr should have taught us all that if you have a "franchise QB" who needs everyone else to play at an All-Pro level in order to be successful you really don't have a franchise QB at all.
 
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Nobody chomping at his heels. Let's see what he really has, but if he continues to drop back like a gym teacher with this line he'll be on IR in no time.
 
OK, he looked awful. Or worse. But how would you like to be the QB coming in after DW4? He who lit up the night sky around here. It's a thankless task.

Maybe with different coach, different o-line, different receivers Savage could do a good job. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. Me, I wish him the best. If he continues for Texans I hope he has better days to come. I figure he's a lot better than what he showed today.
 
TripleTap said:
OK, he looked awful. Or worse. But how would you like to be the QB coming in after DW4? He who lit up the night sky around here. It's a thankless task.

Maybe with different coach, different o-line, different receivers Savage could do a good job. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. Me, I wish him the best. If he continues for Texans I hope he has better days to come. I figure he's a lot better than what he showed today.
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The colts game was like week 1 in college football. All the big programs play garbage teams to get warmed up. He failed miserably. We will not win a game the rest of the season with him at qb
 
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