austins23
Hall of Fame
The DRUNK THREAD would get a ton of action...
Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍
Save us Savage!!!!!!!
- Thread starter PockyAF
- Start date
The DRUNK THREAD would get a ton of action...
No kidding .... lot of these cats round here cant disagree without it getting personal.
Others think if you criticize a player you have some kinda agenda ....
This place would be a steaming pile of poo if they start off poorly. It would turn into the NSZ of football .... I'd probably make a quick exit until draft time.
Sigma
Veteran
well, considering the schedule I don't think 3-4 would be such an unlikely scenario...
JAX
@CIN (short week, prime time)
@NE
TEN
KC (prime time)
CLE
bye
@SEA
IND
I can see us going anywhere between 6-2 and 2-6 to be honest, but those are extremes, I'd say the most likely scenario would be 4-4
JAX
@CIN (short week, prime time)
@NE
TEN
KC (prime time)
CLE
bye
@SEA
IND
I can see us going anywhere between 6-2 and 2-6 to be honest, but those are extremes, I'd say the most likely scenario would be 4-4
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
That schedule looks 3-5 to me.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
What could differentiate a 6-2 start versus a 2-6 start?
1. A bad start may not indicate that Savage solely took the team in this direction unless he suddenly emulates bad Schaub and starts his own record of Pick 6's, emulates Osweiler and can't hit the broad-side of a barn or loses his complete knowledge of the playbook....the OL doesn't gel...the running game never gets on track....injuries decimate the starting units....the offense, defense and/or ST's not delivering might be damaging to a successful start.
2. A great start of 6-2 or better will definitely be attributed to the team staying healthy....a defense that continues or expands on its roll as #1 defense in the NFL....O'Brien throws out the predictable play-calling at the beginning of the game....the team finds the right combination of players for the OL to be successful....Savage keeps his TO's to the bare minimum....running game hits its stride and allows O'Brien to really open his playbook....TE's finally show up to the extent that O'Brien can truly open that chapter in his playbook that allows 2-TE formations to be used in the passing game versus covering for a weak OL....eliminate the stupid drive killing or extending penalties that have plagued this team for 3 years....ST's finally figures out how to be a successful unit.
**Note: Some may look at this list and think...well sure, if any team excelled in these areas, the chances of enjoying a strong start are pretty good...true!!! But, in the case of the Texans, if they hadn't ever delivered positives in each of these areas at some point, that would be a different story, the fact they have tells me that mental lapses and consistency present the biggest challenge for O'Brien's team.**
1. A bad start may not indicate that Savage solely took the team in this direction unless he suddenly emulates bad Schaub and starts his own record of Pick 6's, emulates Osweiler and can't hit the broad-side of a barn or loses his complete knowledge of the playbook....the OL doesn't gel...the running game never gets on track....injuries decimate the starting units....the offense, defense and/or ST's not delivering might be damaging to a successful start.
2. A great start of 6-2 or better will definitely be attributed to the team staying healthy....a defense that continues or expands on its roll as #1 defense in the NFL....O'Brien throws out the predictable play-calling at the beginning of the game....the team finds the right combination of players for the OL to be successful....Savage keeps his TO's to the bare minimum....running game hits its stride and allows O'Brien to really open his playbook....TE's finally show up to the extent that O'Brien can truly open that chapter in his playbook that allows 2-TE formations to be used in the passing game versus covering for a weak OL....eliminate the stupid drive killing or extending penalties that have plagued this team for 3 years....ST's finally figures out how to be a successful unit.
**Note: Some may look at this list and think...well sure, if any team excelled in these areas, the chances of enjoying a strong start are pretty good...true!!! But, in the case of the Texans, if they hadn't ever delivered positives in each of these areas at some point, that would be a different story, the fact they have tells me that mental lapses and consistency present the biggest challenge for O'Brien's team.**
austins23
Hall of Fame
I see 5-3. Losses at NE and SEA and more than likely, KC gets us back for beating them last year.
Jacksonville won't beat anyone early on.
The Bengals are our beeeyotch, so are the Tacks
Good lord if the Browns and Osweiler beat us, then I'm remanding myself to the Drunk Thread the rest of the year.
And the Colts won't be very good this year. Not with Luck iffy to start with and that Oline still a suck fest.
I'm pretty sure Savage can manage that.
Jacksonville won't beat anyone early on.
The Bengals are our beeeyotch, so are the Tacks
Good lord if the Browns and Osweiler beat us, then I'm remanding myself to the Drunk Thread the rest of the year.
And the Colts won't be very good this year. Not with Luck iffy to start with and that Oline still a suck fest.
I'm pretty sure Savage can manage that.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I see that list of games and I want to make a prediction but I just can't get around the idea of taking the games one at a time. I've come to think of the NFL season as a series of related events and not 16 isolated incidents. What happens in one game carries over to the next and teams get on a roll and win a series of games sometimes or find themselves in a ditch and have extended losing streaks. Past Jacksonville I don't know what to expect. I kind of think that if we don't get bit by the injury bug much more than we already have then we have a pretty good chance of beating Jacksonville in our opener.
If we do as expected and win that first one then Cincinnati becomes an early in the season gut check game. Prime time is our nemesis but we also have matched up well with Cincinnati over the years so who knows.
By the time the New England game gets here Belichick will know everything he needs to know (thanks to two games being in the can) in order to beat Savage.
They're all going to come after him until he proves he's not made of glass. That scares me more than anything.
If we do as expected and win that first one then Cincinnati becomes an early in the season gut check game. Prime time is our nemesis but we also have matched up well with Cincinnati over the years so who knows.
By the time the New England game gets here Belichick will know everything he needs to know (thanks to two games being in the can) in order to beat Savage.
They're all going to come after him until he proves he's not made of glass. That scares me more than anything.
Texas Jake
Rookie
Too early and too many unknown variables for me to predict how we will start the season.
1. We have no idea how many of our starters will survive to start game 1, much less game 6. They seem to be dropping like flies.
2. We have two QBs who we have no idea how they will respond in extended regular season play if either one is the starter.
3. The O-Line is a big question mark. It appears to be in the process gelling through two preseason games, but its preseason and DBs return is becoming more doubtful every day.
4. Too many new elements (in addition to QB) on the offensive side. The WR position is becoming a scavenger hunt for replacements. I see a lot of potential, but we will have to see how the pieces fit together and how the coaching staff makes use of them.
5. The divisional competition could be tougher. Not too worried about the Colts, but the Titans improved last season and could be a serious challenger and the Jags may final fit the pieces together if Bortles can stay out of the way.
6. I am reluctant to get my hopes too high only to see them dashed on the rocks of disappointment.
1. We have no idea how many of our starters will survive to start game 1, much less game 6. They seem to be dropping like flies.
2. We have two QBs who we have no idea how they will respond in extended regular season play if either one is the starter.
3. The O-Line is a big question mark. It appears to be in the process gelling through two preseason games, but its preseason and DBs return is becoming more doubtful every day.
4. Too many new elements (in addition to QB) on the offensive side. The WR position is becoming a scavenger hunt for replacements. I see a lot of potential, but we will have to see how the pieces fit together and how the coaching staff makes use of them.
5. The divisional competition could be tougher. Not too worried about the Colts, but the Titans improved last season and could be a serious challenger and the Jags may final fit the pieces together if Bortles can stay out of the way.
6. I am reluctant to get my hopes too high only to see them dashed on the rocks of disappointment.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Well it was just announced on ESPN here in Italy....O'Brien names Tom Savage the starter.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I have to see this year's team play a real game first.
Before every season I'm optimistic so now isn't a good time for me to predict.
I'll know a lot more about this team once the real games begin.
Saturday's game should give us a better idea of how they'll play when the bullets are live , teams usually treat the 3rd preseason game as close to the real thing as possible for a half or 3 quarters (But you know that).
Are the Aints any good ?? .... I haven't watched them , Brees is damn near as old as I am ....
Savage was playing with 2s and 3s also. I have a feeling that if Watson's numbers were even a cousin to Savage's numbers you would be more about the numbers.
I am so looking forward to Saturday night and seeing what Savage does. That should answer a lot of questions for supporters and critics alike.
I would be game planning for Chad Henne instead of Bortles for week one. I see no way of Bortles winning the starting gig unless Henne just completely craters.
Tennessee is going to be a very tough out, on paper at least.
The Texans OL has me very concerned.
I'm confident about Savage in every area except freak injury.
One of those numbers tells you quite a bit. Only ten attempts? If O'Brien were grooming the youngster to be ready for the opener, wouldn't he have played him a bit longer? It's not like Weeden needed the work. So when O'Brien says Savage is the starter, I believe him.
I'm not against starting a rookie day 1, I think I've stated that a few times.
But I also believe in the "ready" part.
A MLB prospect, for example, may have a couple of outstanding pitches , but until he develops a third and maybe even a fourth pitch, he can get crushed in the major.
At the time when Wilson came out, I had said that it makes so much sense for the Texans to draft him. He had played extremely well in the WCO and the pro system at two different schools. I thought he was more ready for the NFL than RGIII. Not only that, I made the bold comment that I can't say for sure between those two and Andrew Luck, which one would have a better NFL career.
Wilson looks to pass and protect himself well.
He doesn't lock onto a receiver (unless it's a quick pass, and the ball comes out in an instance, in situations where the defenders don't have enough time to read his eyes.
But it's also a credit to Carroll to expand the play action in his WCO to incorporate the zone read to maximize Wilson's skill set.
Shanahan did do the same with RG3 in Washington with success; however, Griffin was relying a bit too much on his legs, it eventually ruined his career.
It wasn't that RG3 doesn't possess the passing skills.
He threw for 20TDs with just 5 Ints his rookie year.
He had everything.
But a hit here and there, and he's nowhere near the same player now.
https://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/1/9...en-dan-snyder-mike-shanahan-injury-concussion
That's my number one concern for Watson as well.
Did I think RG 3 have the talent to be a franchise NFL QB?
I sure did.
Why I said Wilson may end up having the best career?
I'm sure you see the logic behind it all.
Last edited:
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
patrickVerified account@PatDStat 2h2 hours ago
Like I just said on the @JoshInnesShow. Anyone who is surprised by Tom Savage being named the starter hasn’t been paying attention.
Like I just said on the @JoshInnesShow. Anyone who is surprised by Tom Savage being named the starter hasn’t been paying attention.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texans Notebook: Bruce Ellington Will Be Part of the Offense
Not Only is Tom Savage the Starter, There Will be no Dual Quarterback Approach Bill O’Brien made it clear that Tom Savage is the starting quarterback for the
Bill O’Brien made it clear that Tom Savage is the starting quarterback for the 2017 season, putting a stop to rampant speculation which has been ongoing since the start of training camp. O’Brien even made it cut and dry, stating that it will be Savage’s show and there will be no quarterback alternating during game, that the multi-quarterbacking approach during games is just talk.
“Sure. I mean, I envision that, I can see that, but that’s not the approach that we’re taking,” O'Brien said of using two quarterbacks during the game. “Tom’s (Savage) the starter.”
“No, that’s what I’m saying. I’m not going to do that,” O’Brien said of the two quarterback approach during games. “We’re not going to get into this – we’re not doing that. Tom’s (Savage) the No. 1 and Deshaun (Watson) right now is No. 2. And then we’ll go from there.”
State of the Texans has been reporting since the start of training camp that Tom Savage would be the starter heading into the season and that is exactly what O’Brien intends to do.
THE REST OF THE STORY
Not Only is Tom Savage the Starter, There Will be no Dual Quarterback Approach Bill O’Brien made it clear that Tom Savage is the starting quarterback for the
- Patrick Starr - 61 minutes ago
Bill O’Brien made it clear that Tom Savage is the starting quarterback for the 2017 season, putting a stop to rampant speculation which has been ongoing since the start of training camp. O’Brien even made it cut and dry, stating that it will be Savage’s show and there will be no quarterback alternating during game, that the multi-quarterbacking approach during games is just talk.
“Sure. I mean, I envision that, I can see that, but that’s not the approach that we’re taking,” O'Brien said of using two quarterbacks during the game. “Tom’s (Savage) the starter.”
“No, that’s what I’m saying. I’m not going to do that,” O’Brien said of the two quarterback approach during games. “We’re not going to get into this – we’re not doing that. Tom’s (Savage) the No. 1 and Deshaun (Watson) right now is No. 2. And then we’ll go from there.”
State of the Texans has been reporting since the start of training camp that Tom Savage would be the starter heading into the season and that is exactly what O’Brien intends to do.
THE REST OF THE STORY
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Smith: Of course, Tom Savage is Texans’ starting QB
By Brian T. Smith
Updated 5:46 pm, Tuesday, August 22, 2017
File under: Not news, but somewhat worth documenting.
Tom Savage is the Texans’ starting quarterback.
Of course. #AsExpected. Like, duh.
Bill O’Brien publicly attached the term “starter” to Savage on Tuesday and made it transparently clear that Deshaun Watson is officially a rookie backup in waiting.
For some reason, that was treated like major news on local radio. I’m sure it was also a bummer to national media outlets that tried to create a heated Savage versus Watson debate for months.
Texans coach Bill O'Brien says Tom Savage is the starter and Deshaun Watson is the backup.
Was there a moment after the Texans’ first preseason game that Watson closed the gap? Is his unique athleticism impossible to ignore? Sure.
Was Savage the starter since March and always expected to be the Texans’ Week 1 answer in 2017? Yes to both.
If there was an opening for Watson to make this a real race, it closed last Saturday against New England. Savage looked as ready as he’s going to get for the Texans’ season opener Sept. 10 against Jacksonville, and only cemented his position during the initial two practices this week.
Watson was off both days - missing targets, taking too long to deliver passes - and one of his last sessions Tuesday saw the first-round pick bounce the ball off the grass in frustration.
Savage constantly directed the first unit, displayed a much smoother arm and sounded like a leader as his teammates ran a lap around a goalpost, challenging his unit to clean up its act (and using a few other motivating words).
“Tom has really had a good camp. He’s only thrown three incompletions in two games,” O’Brien said after practice Tuesday near NRG Stadium. “He’s really got good commend of our offense.”
The real questions have always been how long O’Brien's Texans will stick with Savage as their No. 1 and when Watson's time will come.
Starting a rookie making multiple transitions at once never made sense for a team eyeing its third consecutive playoff appearance. I wrote many times that Watson wasn’t drafted to take the first snap Week 1 – and wasn’t even supposed to play in 2017 (outside of garbage time) if everything went right in O’Brien’s fourth year.
“Deshaun is a very, very good young player who has a great future in this league. Let’s put the cards on the table,” O'Brien said. “But Tom has been here for four years. The way that we want to play, the style that we need to play, relative to getting guys lined up, relative to cadence, relative to protection points and route reads and putting guys in the right spot, Tom’s ahead of Deshaun on that.”
The Texans will stick with Savage until he’s holding them back. Then it will be Watson’s turn and the future will begin.
By Brian T. Smith
Updated 5:46 pm, Tuesday, August 22, 2017
File under: Not news, but somewhat worth documenting.
Tom Savage is the Texans’ starting quarterback.
Of course. #AsExpected. Like, duh.
Bill O’Brien publicly attached the term “starter” to Savage on Tuesday and made it transparently clear that Deshaun Watson is officially a rookie backup in waiting.
For some reason, that was treated like major news on local radio. I’m sure it was also a bummer to national media outlets that tried to create a heated Savage versus Watson debate for months.
Texans coach Bill O'Brien says Tom Savage is the starter and Deshaun Watson is the backup.
Was there a moment after the Texans’ first preseason game that Watson closed the gap? Is his unique athleticism impossible to ignore? Sure.
Was Savage the starter since March and always expected to be the Texans’ Week 1 answer in 2017? Yes to both.
If there was an opening for Watson to make this a real race, it closed last Saturday against New England. Savage looked as ready as he’s going to get for the Texans’ season opener Sept. 10 against Jacksonville, and only cemented his position during the initial two practices this week.
Watson was off both days - missing targets, taking too long to deliver passes - and one of his last sessions Tuesday saw the first-round pick bounce the ball off the grass in frustration.
Savage constantly directed the first unit, displayed a much smoother arm and sounded like a leader as his teammates ran a lap around a goalpost, challenging his unit to clean up its act (and using a few other motivating words).
“Tom has really had a good camp. He’s only thrown three incompletions in two games,” O’Brien said after practice Tuesday near NRG Stadium. “He’s really got good commend of our offense.”
The real questions have always been how long O’Brien's Texans will stick with Savage as their No. 1 and when Watson's time will come.
Starting a rookie making multiple transitions at once never made sense for a team eyeing its third consecutive playoff appearance. I wrote many times that Watson wasn’t drafted to take the first snap Week 1 – and wasn’t even supposed to play in 2017 (outside of garbage time) if everything went right in O’Brien’s fourth year.
“Deshaun is a very, very good young player who has a great future in this league. Let’s put the cards on the table,” O'Brien said. “But Tom has been here for four years. The way that we want to play, the style that we need to play, relative to getting guys lined up, relative to cadence, relative to protection points and route reads and putting guys in the right spot, Tom’s ahead of Deshaun on that.”
The Texans will stick with Savage until he’s holding them back. Then it will be Watson’s turn and the future will begin.
Mike Shannahan singlehandedly ruined RGIII by sending him out with a busted leg.
Mike Shannahan singlehandedly ruined RGIII by sending him out with a busted leg.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
You should have just deleted the Seal astronaut comparison since the repercussions of a mistake aren't comparable.
As far as baseball I don't know the game well enough. I do know most guys tend to spend some time in the minors.
But we can all just agree to disagree. If your team is in a position to do so, I do not believe that a rookie bumping their head making mistakes on the field means the rest of their career is doomed.....
.....If that player is talented and motivated enough plus has the right staff around them.
I don't disagree. I simply think that it's a case per case.
The individual and the players around him; it's both QB developing as well as team building.
If you have strong support for the QB; ie. a good offensive line, a good running game, and a great defense, you can better afford to fast track the QB. Having played in the same system in college can also help (see Prescott).
Individually, some guy might be more ready than another, for different reasons.
I don't think much of preseason numbers period.
Everyone knows the games don't count. The whole situational aspect of the game is a hodge podge of what counts & what doesn't. In a real game, being up by three means a lot more than being up two scores in the preseason.
In a real game, teams will react a certain way, a way they won't in the preseason.
There are things to be learned. But I don't know we have enough insight to know what the teams & players get out of them.
Like the three drops... I'm not so much concerned with the drops, or Watson's completion percentage. I want to know was he right, or was the receiver right? Was Watson supposed to expect his receiver to sit in a zone, or run through?
This is glorified practice.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
Spot on sir. Preseason games give fans a taste of football that they have been thirsting for after months of radio talk and water cooler analysis. It absolutely can be used to find individual traits and characteristics that can be used to build future plays and schemes around. However, the overall scheme of the game is completely different, with all calls designed to match up guys "1 on 1" and let's see if you win or lose. A few wrinkles will be thrown in for learning reps, but nothing too exotic.
As stated, certain plays from preseason we view as "wins"...the Foreman catch and run, could possibly be "losses" since DW threw into double coverage on a zone blitz that was baiting him to make that exact throw.
What IS encouraging is that DW seems to learn from his mistakes and wants to get on the same page with his receivers/coaches immediately. If he knows he made a bad read or if he thinks he made the correct read but his receiver had a better idea based on certain coverage tendencies, he wants to know and process that immediately. No sulking, no moaning, just teach it to me now. That is an amazing trait to have.
With that said, the first few weeks of the season absolutely "count", but as we have seen year in and year out, the paper champions before week 8 usually flame out. Let's see what happens a few weeks into the season, how our O-Line is holding up, how our defense is doing both in play and health, who is our quarterback and why. If we are 4-2 or 5-1 and Tom Savage looks like the second coming of Kurt Warner, then Watson can take as long as he wants to learn. Around week 7-8, we should know where the 2017 Texans stand in regards to the rest of the league. It takes all teams, from the bottom dwellers to the elite, a few weeks to begin to crystallize their identity.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Hr named him the starter way before OTAS started.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And if Savage doesn't pan out, bye bye Bill O'Brien and this supposedly complex offense.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
He would ll take Savage to whatever team he HCs. Same as Kubiak did with OD.
I don't believe that to be the case.
I don't want that to happen in any case. I was TS and OB to succeed this year, or DW and OB to succeed this year. I'm tired of waiting for 'next year'
I do want a shining offense to go along with our shining defense.
Special teams I got nothing but a hope and a prayer
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
You know...that's going to require a lot of study to determine where the problem lies. It could be a Savage thing, it might be an OL thing, it could be a play-calling thing...bottom line, it will probably spell the demise of O'Brien as HC if it were to happen.
Heck, if it really goes bad O'Brien may not even make it to the end of the season and Romeo will take over until RS can get Lovie Smith under contract.
O'Brien could (probably) lands with Jets in 2017 or after the season. He will sign Savage since the Jets have no QB's...or should I say, one. Hackenberg will get his mentoring from Savage. Don't be surprised to see O'Brien ask the Jets brass to put on a full press to sign Hopkins away as well and with the money and lure of NY...it might be hard for Hopkins to refuse. Based on RS's SOP, he wouldn't be willing to Franchise Tag Hopkins in order to retain his services. This is not good and I don't want to see it play out.
Better yet, Savage delivers and saves the day for all involved. Go Texans!!!
Texas Jake
Rookie
Past history would not suggest OB has a blind spot toward Savage. I don't think he would make a change before about mid-season, which is the same as he would do with any QB he started. If Savage struggles and implodes, he will probably be benched after game six and Watson will become the starter. Tom will have a similar amount of leash (but probably a bit less) as Brock had last year. The difference being they don't have the investment in Savage, and Watson pushes the decision more than Savage did last year. I believe Savage will be given every opportunity to succeed, as should any QB who is named starter, before a change is made.
Texas Jake
Rookie
Based on past history with Texan HCs, I really don't think BOB's job is in as much jeopardy as many posters here think. He has this year and next on his contract and I believe, IF he is let go, it would be after the final year of his contract after 2018. McNair believes in stability at HC.
I'm not so sure about that .... OB has posted a winning record every season and hasn't had much to work with at the QB position. IF Savage fails (IF) I'm sure McNair would take into consideration the fact that Savage was a late round draft pick and much along the lines of the QB's OB has had thus far - not much to work with in terms of talent.
He (OB) may not get an extension after this year but he's going to get net year with Watson at the very least - again assuming Savage fails to deliver.
We can talk coaching changes next year .... not this , unless the entire team implodes similar to Kubiak's 2-14 season where everything that could go wrong did.
It's fairly typical McNair to give these guys a long leash .... I don't expect that to change.
I can give him a pass on the offense since all he's had is a bunch of replacement level players at the most important position on the field.
Special teams ... W T F. How can these cats not comprehend lane integrity on kick coverage. That s to be the single biggest issue on coverage units and its a reoccurring theme every year. It makes me want to kick babies watching them cover kicks.
I don't see why he wouldn't , assuming Savage is underperforming what you would expect Watson to provide.
Right now it's pretty obvious one of them is much farther along in the development part of the position - If that advantage doesn't translate on the field then its time to make a change and give the young guy every opportunity to succeed or fail.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I used to think OB would take the Jets job but that is in the same division as Belecheck. I don't think he would do that. Except for one, all of Belechecks assistants have coached outside of his division. It didn't end well for the last one that didn't. But anything could happen.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The more likely scenario if O'Brien is gone in 2018 will be that O'Brien gets fed up with "interference" and walks away himself. Anyone that believes he won't be immediately sought out to walk right into another HC position is delusional.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You think he will get fired if his offense doesn't improve?
Do you remember when we started off 1-4. McNair had had enough and he basically told them ( O'Brien and Crennel) if they don't get it together.
Last season you didn't see the disgusting look on both McNair and Ricks face when that offense couldn't put up points in the red zone all of last season.
You can best believe if this does not work out with Savage. Both Savage and O'Brien are out of here.
You don't move up in the draft like that for a quarterback so he could hold a clipboard. And looking back on both preseason games, Bill O'Brien did not give Watson a true shot at the number one spot. He went dink and donk with Savage and ran Blue. Blue's new vision helped out a lot. But in the regular season its going to be totally different. Bill better hope we dont go 1-4 to start the season or it's going to get really ugly.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Replacement he sought after. Brock was the only one he didn't want. Everyone else Hoyer, Fitzpatrick, Savage and Mallett were his call.
Edit...
Re-read your post. You were postulating that Bill will walk away from this job because of "interference". You didn't say from who but that has to be from McNair. O'Brien wasn't hired by Smith but by McNair. So he (O'Brien) only takes orders from Bob McNair so any "interference" can only come from the top.
Last edited:
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
[QUOTE="ObsiWan, post: 2741006, member: 11263"]So you're saying O'Brien will quit or get fired before or during the 2018 season?
His contract is for five years, the first year being 2014. That makes 2018 the final year of his contract, not this year.[/QUOTE]
I never implied that, just responding to if he is not here in 2018, it is more like that he quits after 2017 rather than gets fired.
His contract is for five years, the first year being 2014. That makes 2018 the final year of his contract, not this year.[/QUOTE]
I never implied that, just responding to if he is not here in 2018, it is more like that he quits after 2017 rather than gets fired.
I never implied that, just responding to if he is not here in 2018, it is more like that he quits after 2017 rather than gets fired.[/QUOTE]
You responded before I finished editing that post (QuickDraw
). I mis-read it initially. Check the revised version.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That's not to rule out also "interference"/riff between O'Brien and Smith.
Texian
Hall of Fame
This is probably a given if he and his agent can find a home where Bill has full control, has to act less as a pawn to the owner and also is not subject to the meddling of the Owner's step and fetch it. I imagine O'Brien thinking he has paid his dues and now is the time to move onward and upward.
Now I get it, Bob/Ricky are great and BOB sucks. It's BOB's fault that an inaccurate Watson isn't the starting QB.
If this was really true dont you think that Bob/Ricky would make BOB start Watson game #1? Sorta like they made BOB start Os in the playoffs last yr.
# Another Bogus concussion in Savage's future.
Texansballer74
The Marine
There was nothing bogus about Savage concussion. Stop it
Ive spoken several times about how dysfunctional this organization is dude. I've also said Rick should've gotten his walking papers along with Kubiak. But lets be real, Rick has gotten better at his job. He has put together a great defense and brought some nice weapons on the offensive side. Unfortunately the injury bug has plagued our oline. But of course you won't acknowledge that because you're blind with hate for that dude.
Again thank you McNair for bringing football back to Houston.
The OL stinks (For you and your buddy Ed) because of injury? LOL
The OL stinks (Thank you Ed) because of bad investments in the draft/FA (Newton/Allen/XSF) and because for the last 2 yrs Ricky hasn't made a commitment in the draft to improve the OT position. In addition to doing absolutely nothing in FA this yr. What do my dead grandmother and Ricky have in common? Neither did one thing in FA this offseason.
I've said I'm not going to derail threads. Lets take this to the A&E Rick Smith thread as I've asked many times.
BTW, I really dont care that McNair brought football back to Houston if his #1 goal isn't to put a SB contender on the field. Hopefully you can comprehend what I'm saying. Once again RS A&E THREAD.
I guess O'Brien is delusional. If he felt as you say, he wouldn't have been walking away from millions of dollars, he'd just be changing who was giving him those millions.
Or... He's not being "interfered" with & he's doing what John Harbaugh did when Ozzie Newsome got him Jeff Blake, Chris Redman, Kyle Bollar, Anthony Wright, Steve McNair, & Troy Smith... & hopefully Joe Flacco.
He'll be doing TV like Brian Billick... that other offensive guru who couldn't figure out how to score more than 17 ppg
Like John Harbaugh? & Super Bowl winning Tom Caughlin... the guy that won it twice, not the guy in Jacksonville, or Mike Tomlinson & Bill Cowher before him?