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Save us Savage!!!!!!!
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Sigma
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hey, don't shoot the messenger
Perfect.
Fitz and Hoyer were more about limiting their mistakes ... which he did for the most part (accept when it mattered most?)
Mullet and the blundering wizard of Oz just aren't very good .... you cant fix what's broken between their ears.
Savage , I think is just ... potentially average and hasn't reached that potential.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Joke article posted that some haven't realized was a joke.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Dang-it, I've been losing days b/c of my most move. I totally forgot yesterday was April 1st! My daughter reminded me of that fact yesterday. I'm 7 hours ahead of CST so I figured it was a little interesting that other sites were not confirming this move.
Well, I was happy
Well, I was happy
badboy
Hall of Fame
well gee whiz isn't most of post on MB individual opinion..surprised you came with that.
if you think O'Brien thinks like the other 31 teams, then explain why none of the other 31 teams have gone through three opening day, starting QBs in three seasons (soon to be four).
Quit being argumentative.
The choices he's had at QB has made this issue and up until Os those were his choices and are on him.
thetexanator
Veteran
guys lets be real. tom savage sucks.
If you said injury prone I would agree
As far as Savage sucking, how do you know?
I don't know he hasn't played enough to make that judgement. I do know Savage came up big when the team was behind in victories against the Bengals/Jags.
0 TD passes 1 INT in his NFL career .... yeah , he came up big alright.
I think Savage is no better than a decent backup in the league. He's been in this offense 3 seasons by the time the end of last year rolled around and he could not put the ball in pay dirt - The problems we saw with the blundering wizard of Os were not solved with Savage under center.
Against Jax they score 21 points 1 safety , 4FG's and a rushing TD of 1 yard - the only redzone score of the day.
In Cincy they score 12 points , 2 FG's and a rushing TD of 24 yards. The two FG's came inside the redzone.
Savage aint gonna save us ....
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Because being bad in the RZ is totally about the QB and never about the play calling.
Signed,
George Godsey
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So:
Other than Oz (let's put that one aside) all QB choices are on OB.
The declining O is on OB.
There have been no good QBs to come out in OBs tenure.*
* well of course other than those blocked by RS because he wants OB's son's gecko to lose in the who's a best gecko contest with Cal's son. It all gets back to Cal who was born in Kenya from Neil Armstrong who was being sent away never having landed on the moon.
For posting that vid, you should be shot.
hey, don't shoot the messenger
Sigma
Veteran
the video was necessary to make sure people who clicked on the fake news understood they were being "april fooled"
believe me, there are worse things I could have linked to
LOL
you're not the one to tell anybody to stop being argumentative.
And Osweiler is on O'Brien because, if as you assert, he just bent over and let McNair shove Osweiler down his .....throat. At a minimum, he should have told Smith/McNair, "I need to talk to this guy before we sign him to see if we can work together (kinda like Kubiak did with Schaub).
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I don't disagree. But I think you are laying too much at Savage's feet when he had the same play calling, same OL and same RB's as Osweiler and didn't show any better results. Is the OL all of a sudden supposed to play better because he is the QB? Are the RB's all of a sudden going to be able to get more than 1-2 yards on a run because he is the QB? Was Godsey all of a sudden going to pull his head out of his ass just because he was the QB?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
LOL
you're not the one to tell anybody to stop being argumentative.
And Osweiler is on O'Brien because, if as you assert, he just bent over and let McNair shove Osweiler down his .....throat. At a minimum, he should have told Smith/McNair, "I need to talk to this guy before we sign him to see if we can work together (kinda like Kubiak did with Schaub).
Brock is on OB in that OB couldn't get it right his 1st 2 years. Fitz as a stopgap, fine. But then Hoyer is your guy, who you bench in the 1st game for Mallett who is also your guy, cut mid season?
I think upper management told OB they're going to address QB in year 3 and went and got Brock. Of course, that was a big flop as well, but if not for OB screwing the pooch for 2 years, they wouldn't have been in a position to do that. So yeah, it's on OB.
That said, not a lot of confidence in the powers that be to get this QB issue resolved.
austins23
Hall of Fame
What'd I miss?? edit: never mind
LOL
you're not the one to tell anybody to stop being argumentative.
And Osweiler is on O'Brien because, if as you assert, he just bent over and let McNair shove Osweiler down his .....throat. At a minimum, he should have told Smith/McNair, "I need to talk to this guy before we sign him to see if we can work together (kinda like Kubiak did with Schaub).
You can't tell the boss what to do. Ricky has the bosses ear.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Hoyer was never his guy, and I have no idea why people continue to say that. Hoyer was in there to compete with Mallet, and they wanted Mallet to win that job from the start and were hoping that Mallet could turn into the QB people hoped he'd be when he was drafted. Hoyer was brought in to compete for the job and to push Mallet to work hard to earn in it and to have another insurance policy in case Mallet didn't play well since that was also a possibility. They both ended up playing poorly, but this idea that Hoyer was his guy and that OB had all these high hopes for Hoyer being the franchise is incredibly disengenious and laughable.
They paid Hoyer $6M to come in & be the starter. No one was going to offer him that kind of money after he crashed & burned in Cleveland. They tried not to sign Mallett. He turned down more money to come back. Less than $2M.
If Mallett was their guy & Hoyer was brought in to push him, we wouldn't have offered Hoyer more than we were already paying Fitzpatrick.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I have these:
Well not those, I have my own set, sits under the TV. Given to me by an opponent when I was a puppy lawyer (and had just beat his ass).
Note: always beware the monkeys kid.
frethack
Rookie
Exactly. Hoyer was a stop gap, just like Fitz, except he was supposed to be better versed in the system.
Honestly I don't think Mallett was his guy either. You don't wait until mid training camp and give up a conditional 6th for a young guy you believe in. Especially when they had the opportunity to get him into practice early for a 3rd. This tells me Mallett was not thought highly of from the beginning.
Savage is the closest thing OBs guy. Looks like OB may sink or swim on his 4th round project.
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If Savage was his guy, & he couldn't use his words to convince Smitty McNair that we should go with Tom Savage, draft Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, or Connor Cook in lieu of giving $72M to a guy with 7 so-so starts whom they never spoke to, then maybe O'b is really a position coach. Not a HC, not an OC.
A position coach.
frethack
Rookie
Perhaps there is no guy. OB deciding on a QB feels a lot like my wife deciding on drapes.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Before I make this assessment...I would've enjoyed seeing Savage get those 14 starts that Osweiler received. Hard to put the guy in the same boat as Osweiler after 1 1/2 starts. I'm hard pressed to find the same crystal ball some are using to predict that Savage would have made no positive steps as an NFL QB with 14 starts under his belt.
Mangler
Toro de España
Some of you guys are pretty irrational when it comes to O'Brien. There were several reports about him having a strained relationship with Rick Smith due to him not having control or say so in who to bring in, etc. Hell, O'Brien even said that he hadn't reached out to any QB during free agency because he's just a coach. Last season he even went as far as saying that McNair wants a QB so they were going to do exactly what the boss wanted and went after Assweiler. Last time I checked Smith was the gm, not O'Brien.
But in some posters' warped little minds, O'Brien is Satan and he's sabotaging Houston football since we're only "a QB away."
But in some posters' warped little minds, O'Brien is Satan and he's sabotaging Houston football since we're only "a QB away."
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Strained relationship, yes. But I think it's pretty clear O'b has had plenty of say on who we bring in. Hoyer was definitely an O'b guy. Will Fuller, Tom Savage, Fiedorowicz, Lamar Miller, Aj Bouye, Chris Polk... all O'b guys. John Simon, Aboushi, Wilfork... all brought in for O'bs position coaches.
I'm sure there are others, but these guys I feel there's no question O'b & his position coaches influenced Rick to get them.
I wouldn't expect O'b to be bent because he doesn't have total control as a first time HC over an established GM. IMO he'd need to earn the right to bring in a personnel guy. & then that's up to McNair who probably forced the changes we've seen in Rick Smith's department over the last three years.
Link? He said he didn't talk to Romo because Romo is under contract to another team. He said he has discussed Kaepernick internally with the Texans. I took that to mean he's working with the GM to find a QB.
I took that as O'b being butt hurt about not giving Hoyer a second year in Houston. But he probably screwed that up by benching Hoyer in the first half of week one.
O'bs version of the story was he sold Rick on Osweiler. They sold him to McNair. O'bs own words, Osweiler was his guy.
I think he was able to help Brady minimize mistakes. Which is what he was able to do with Fitz & Hoyer. Maybe even McGloin at Penn State.
But whatever magic he performed with Hackenberg, he wasn't able to reproduce with Mallet or Osweiler. & who knows how he's doing with Savage.
I think Romo would be a better fit than Savage for O'b. Frankly, I don't think it's sabotage. I think he doesn't know how to get a QB from 7 starts to 20 with all the stuff they have to deal with in the NFL.
But I could be wrong. Or he may have figured it out. We can only hope.
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John McClain
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Texans saw enough of Tom Savage last season to believe he can be the starter but he must stay healthy in last year of his contract.
7:55 AM - 4 Apr 2017
✔@McClain_on_NFL
Texans saw enough of Tom Savage last season to believe he can be the starter but he must stay healthy in last year of his contract.
7:55 AM - 4 Apr 2017
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Hoyer was definitely OB's guy.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I don't think O'Brien is Satan. I think O'Brien is the anti-Parcells. He's a coach that lets his ego get in the way of adjusting his gameplan. Too much square peg in round hole.
I don't think Rick Smith is Satan. I think Smith is the living embodiment of The Peter Principle. He's in over his head and doubles-down when he makes bad choices. He won't push back on McNair's interference either. Ed Reed is the perfect example.
I don't think McNair is Satan. I think McNair is trying to follow the path of Jerry Jones and get too involved in day-to-day football operations and grooming his son to become the de-facto GM down the line. It's been great for business, but not for going deep into the playoffs.
zshawn10
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Sayre Bedinger @SayreBedinger
Tom Savage has attempted 92 career passes, started two games, played in five.
He has no touchdown passes.
8:53 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Tom Savage has attempted 92 career passes, started two games, played in five.
He has no touchdown passes.
8:53 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Flyingfish
Waterboy
The problem with Texans QB's is simple. They come here and then...
"POOF, turn to crap!"
"POOF, turn to crap!"
I'm still not convinced they'll draft one of the "1st round" guys, or even a "2nd round" guy. Not that I think they're fine with Savage, or think that he can be a solid starter in this league. I just think they're going to look at a guy like Beathard & think they can develop him. Draft him with Cleveland's 4th.
I don't think O'b is near the communicator that Bill Parcells is. Parcells will break it down for you so you can understand the concepts of what he's trying to teach you. O'b is going to blow up & get in your grille if you can't figure out what is obvious to him.
Totally understand the concern that that's what 'they', aka OB, will want to do. Sounds about par for his course.
On the other hand when push came to shove after Fitz/Hoyer/Mallett the mandate was to go get a bonafide starting QB and, nonetheless the result, the team went out and paid for themselves the what they hoped was a bonafide starting QB. Stands to reason the next step in this direction would be to go find a young quality arm early in the draft, as that's the only option we haven't explored yet with this staff/FO.
TexansSeminole
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The problem with Texans QB's is simple. They come here and then...
Evidence points to the opposite being true, with Osweiler being the exception.
Or... they'll go with Savage, Weeden, & Beathard and see if these guys can actually develop a QB before they spend a high pick on something they can't put to good use.
I hear you. It makes sense to go & get the best you can out of the draft. & I hope they do. I just don't think they will.
Sigma
Veteran
Wasn't speaking about making sense between you and I, but about the seeming next step in the search from journeyman to FA hopeful to what rock is yet unturned ... a high draft pick.
And yes, they may decide to bunt again. Just seems the most unreasonable approach all things given so far.
zshawn10
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Albert Breer
✔@AlbertBreer
I talked Texans QBs with Bill O'Brien; Does Savage have a shot to be the long-term QB? "I really believe he does." http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/04/tony-romo-leaving-football-for-television …
11:44 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Albert Breer
✔@AlbertBreer
Bottom line: Texans like Savage's size and arm talent, and his progress. But he has to stay healthy for them to get a real look.
11:46 AM - 4 Apr 2017
✔@AlbertBreer
I talked Texans QBs with Bill O'Brien; Does Savage have a shot to be the long-term QB? "I really believe he does." http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/04/tony-romo-leaving-football-for-television …
11:44 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Albert Breer
✔@AlbertBreer
Bottom line: Texans like Savage's size and arm talent, and his progress. But he has to stay healthy for them to get a real look.
11:46 AM - 4 Apr 2017
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Zzzzzz. Crickets chirping. Five games played in three NFL seasons! The most important quality that a quarterback can have, at least to me, is durability and toughness. What good is freakin' size and arm talent if you're on IR and unavailable?
Tom Savage is entering a contract year. We have to decide if he's worth re-signing after this season. Time is running out on him. We don't have the luxury to "wait and see or get a real look". Not with the win-now team we have.
Either way, 2017 will be a make or break year for Tom Savage.
I don't expect him to enter Week 1 of the 2017 season as our starting quarterback.
I agree.
I think we should draft a guy we think can start right away, then draft planB in the 4th or 5th. Like that Beathard guy.