Most all of the above avg FA's are gone.
Ricky needs to hit big in the draft. (Unlikely)
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Most all of the above avg FA's are gone.
Ricky needs to hit big in the draft. (Unlikely)
How much input do you really think BOB has in bringing in Romo? I think this is a McNair ploy to keep the fanbase happy. How much input do you think BOB will have on drafting a QB this yr? I think very little. Imagine if BOB wanted Kelly, do you think McNair would let Ricky draft Kelly, or for that matter Ricky would acquiesce and pick Kelly like BOB wanted?
It's not like he's been killing it in FA either.
Still, I'm pretty sure whatever the plan is, O'b is 100% on board. If there was a FA he wanted, like Lamar Miller, Chris Polk, Brian Hoyer... Ricky McNair would have been done got him.
So you think BOB said hey Ricky we don't need anybody in FA even though we've lost half of our starting secondary? I believe in pigs flying/tooth fairy before I will believe that.
I get the feeling O'b said something like, "Demps? Eh, he's alright. Get me that Palomalu fella. The dude that does them shampoo comercials..."
Rick, "Uh... he's retired."
"He's had the whole season off... how can he be tired again? "
Max
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I'm actually somewhat with you on this one. I've wondered elsewhere if roster decisions aren't being made with the thought that BOB won't be here past next year if there isn't progress this year. If so, BOB's say in which players they draft (especially qb) and FA moves may be taken w/ a grain of salt. I think plan A was to sign Romo early and add pieces to give BOB what he needs to make a run at it this year. But since it didn't work that way, it may be evolving into waiting on just Romo and if that doesn't work out, further evolve into a rebuilding plan of pulling the rug out from under BOB -- let him live or die by the qb he selected and if it doesn't work out -- a new coach is selected next year that they believe can bring along their newly drafted qb. It would explain their inactivity in FA with an eye towards rebuilding and having the cap space to do so in future years. I think if they were fully committed to BOB, that we probably would have been more active in FA.
Many on this MB don't like the truth.
I've been saying this since there were rumors of BOB wanting to leave during the playoffs
In short BOB lost a power struggle with Ricky McNair # the godfather. If you think Ricky's going to do much to help BOB succeed then you truly have spilled Texans red Kool-Aid on your shirt.
The only GM/coach that has been sent to a pro day that I know of so far is Weaver to the Michigan pro day. Something really screwy is going on down on Kirby. But Hey, McNair sounded really great explaining the Raiders move today. I wonder how much tush Ricky can kiss in Pheonix? He's certainly not out finding players to help next yrs team win.
Max
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Where I might differ from you is my take on the extent that personality clashes are driving petty maliciousness (if I'm understanding you correctly). Their interests should be aligned and I don't think it's a matter of one not wanting to help the other succeed -- just different ideas on how to go about it and clashing as a result. I'm not saying that there's nothing to your power struggle take -- I would agree that to the extent that there was a struggle, RSmith probably came out the winner but that seems warranted to me in light of his coach's qb carousel and Smith having to clean up the mess of his coach not being able to get along w/ 2 of his qb's in the last 2 years and them being cut/traded as a result. Both Mallet and Osweiler displayed immature behavior that warranted their departure (play on the field aside), but it's naive to think that this behavior happens in a vacuum -- I have little doubt that BOB played a role in bringing out the worst in them. BOB may need an established qb that he can yell at and the qb laughs it off and calls him "Billy" as Brady did. I'm not sure that you're giving Smith credit for what he has to work with. I just think that if this year's inactivity in FA continues -- that the plan may be a mini rebuild. But what other option is there with no qb's available?
1 starter is half our secondary?
zshawn10
All Pro
I think Rick sat down with O'b, showed him a list of FAs & they worked together to align their evaluation & valuations, just like the previous seasons. It appears they agreed no one was worth breaking the bank for. They'll probably make a few unheralded signings in the second wave, young developmental types. Guys they agree have yet to play their best football, then on to the draft.
Didn't they sign Osweiler and Allen last year?
Carr Bombed
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Didn't really say he didn't believe in his ability skill wise, but more his ability to be healthy.. What's scary is you could replace Tom with Tony, Savage with Romo in that quote and it would pretty much read the same.
Either way we'll be taking a QB early in the draft.
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Yes they did.
I sure hope Allen gets healthy and bounces back this year.
I believe Os was Ricky's screw up and it took a 2nd rd pick to fix it. Os sucked and BOB cant fix historical suck.
The FA. inactivity is Slick Ricky McNair's beginning of the end of the end of the BOB era in Houston. It happened with Kubiak and it's happening with BOB, history is repeating itself. Old man McNair or his defacto GM/offspring seem to be ok with this.
Then BOB should get on board if he wants to stay. The McNairs are the Texans, Ricky knows which side his bread is buttered.
You don't like what the McNairs are doing, They spent two 2nd round picks on offensive line in the last three years, they brought in a highly ranked FA for that OL, they brought in speed at the RB position (the very guy you said you wanted). They brought in speed at the WR position, drafted a guy specifically for special teams.
Unfortunately, things don't always work the way you plan them. & in the real world you got to play the ball where it lies. You can't get halfway through the season & start over.
We need a HC. O'b should have brought in an OC.
TexansSeminole
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I wish I believed that.
TxnsJuggernaut
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It is funny how so many on here have ready made excuses for BOB if things don't work out next season.
I am sure BOB has plenty of input.
As far as the secondary is concerned all I have heard is that this draft is full of secondary help. Maybe that is wrong.
I am sure BOB has plenty of input.
As far as the secondary is concerned all I have heard is that this draft is full of secondary help. Maybe that is wrong.
I don't believe this at all.
I this is true, then BOB/Ricky think differently than the 31 other teams in the NFL and BOB doesn't seem like that kind of HC. This reeks of Bob/Ricky McNair pulling the strings.
BOB doesn't like the at the FO evaluates talent and wants his evaluators to be brought in. McNair said no and BOB said he wanted out. Because BOB has made the playoffs Bob McNair refused to let BOB out of his contract.
Because BOB wanted his talent guys and McNair said no, little Ricky has done everything he can this offseason to sabotage BOB and make sure that BOB is gone after next season, one way or the other.
Number19
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But BOB is going to mess this all up by winning the division again and making a run in the post season. And then again in 2018. His contract will be up, he'll be in high demand and will leave.
Or not.
McNair has stated he will evaluate a contract extension for BOB once the 2017 season concludes. Will he decide to keep a winning coach?
Max
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Maybe working w/ Brady made BOB think the qb guru thing was easy -- not sure why, but he came in thinking he could make Bradysalad out of Bradyshit w/ his qb selections and we're at the same place we were in BOB's year 1 with our qb search because of it.. The question is if it catches up w/ him and he's burned up his goodwill with McNair/RS. It's why I think his fate may be decided by how well Savage plays or maybe he gets bailed out by Romo.
Even if BOB wins I think McNair lets him go and probably trades BOB for a draft pick. BOB just not enough of a yes man and calls out what he thinks is wrong with the Texans org.
Bob/Ricky McNair will have none of this. Gotta toe the company line regardless if the company line impedes winning. I've found BOB's stepping out of the company line and letting us know how talent is acquired this offseason to be quite refreshing.
BOB wanted to go McNair wouldn't let him and now it appears that BOB doesn't care what Bob/Ricky McNair want, he's going to say what he wants.
infantrycak
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Wow, the conspiracy theories keep getting more convoluted.
TexansSeminole
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I do think it's interesting that OB has made comments that suggest that chasing FAs isn't his job. He could always say that any FA target isn't something that he is going to speak about and leave it at that. Instead, he's clearly stated that it's not his job. I do think there is something to that.
Texecutioner
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So do I. I just don't see this relationship lasting much longer. They still won't have a QB good enough to get them anywhere, and OB is likely gone after this season. Smith will get to pick another HC. After a year of being out of football, it wouldn't totally surprise me to see them make a push for Kubiak again if he ends up expressing that he'd like to come back to coaching. I don't think we've seen the last of Kubiak personally, and I think he was just taking a break based on the health situation and to get out of Denver where his relationship got rocky with Elway. Stranger things have happened, that's for sure. Mcnair loved Kubiak.
Sigma
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What about schaub aj and foster?
If we are going to do a reunion we might as well make it a full one
Lets just hope they are intelligent enough to know a SB win will bring them more test subjects.
RagingBull
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Texecutioner
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It made no sense for him to leave Denver when he did other than the health complications which seemed to have a lot to do with stress. Elway pressured him really hard to fire his coaching staff and Kubiak struggled really badly with that along with the team's struggles down the stretch and the locker room fizzling. It wasn't all that bad of a year with all things considered. They were still a competitive team, and there was no reason to think they couldn't regroup for this year and make another run at it. I just don't think Kubiak could handle Elway anymore and coaching for him wasn't what he thought it would be after all. I hope he doesn't end up back in Houston though, but I could see it.
Flyingfish
Waterboy
Tex said "...it wouldn't totally surprise me to see them make a push for Kubiak again..."
Been there, got rid of the T-shirt.
Been there, got rid of the T-shirt.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
So you want Kubiak to play, too!!! Jesus, we ARE desperate for a QB (though I'm sure Kubiak could do a better job than Osweiler).
I wouldn't doubt it. We really screwed up not canning Smith and ob and bringing in little Shanahan.
Maybe I should spell out the words better.
Player consultant and scouting consultant.
There, is that better?
So you want more mediocrity?
People just cant seem to get enough of the 9-7, 7-9 mentality.
Look at Kubiak's record here.
That mean old Elway not settling for mediocrity.
maverick512000
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I swear Steel I think the only way you would be happy is if O'Brien was HC, GM, owner, OC, QB, special teams coach, Texans announcer, president of the Texans official fan club, the person in the Torro costume and head cheerleader.
Anything or anyone else involved with the Texans you think are screwing things up and keeping the football messiah that is Bill O'Brien from leading us to the football promised land. Give it a rest already, you've beaten the dead horse so much even the buzzards couldn't find any meat on it.
I do have to ask though what is it about O'Brien you like so much? True the guy got some great stats out of Hoyer and Fritz but they still crumbled when it mattered and of his two signature QBs, one can't stay healthy enough to even last 1/4 of a season and the other couldn't set an alarm clock.
O'Brien mainly rode in on what he'd done in New England but my little cousin could be a great QB coach as long as the QB is Tom Brady.
I agree with what you're saying, but maybe the reality is that OB doesn't want to stay. I honestly think he will be snatched up very quickly if he's fired and will have full control of personnel when/if that happens. I think that's what OB wants, in the long run, and it's not happening in Houston.
If it's apparent that he doesn't want to be here... if his actions are those of a guy who doesn't want to be here, I think those options are going to dry up. If he doesn't want to be here & does his best... where no one is convinced that he doesn't want to be here, & he becomes available, yeah... he might be snatched up pretty quickly.
Anybody willing to give him full control based on what he's done so far would be foolish. He can't even put together an average offense with Lamar Miller & DeAndre Hopkins. & I guarantee you Fiedo & Fuller are his guys.
I have no idea what you're talking about, steelb.
Kubiak's record has nothing to do with this job that I'm describing here.
Just the fact that he's been able to develop young players and his connection with other people in the NFL (and in college football).
CONSULTANTS don't win games directly, but they can help build/set the cornerstone for a good football franchise.
This isn't about BOB, you would know this if you were on the MB during the Kubiak era. What I want is a HC/GM that are on the same page and come in with a single goal to make this franchise the most successful it can be.
Not having a Gm who stabs his HC in the back like Ricky McNair did to Kubiak and is currently doing to BOB. If you cant see what's going on then you're blind. Unfortunately things wont get better until Ricky is gone and that doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon. So I don't expect a SB in the near future or until McNair dies. Because the real things that are wrong with the on field product lays at the feet of the McNairs.