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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

I agree there are some issues, but I also believe we are a few plays away from being an explosive offense.... just like Brock said. The plays are there, our QBs just can't get to them as frequently as we like.

They get that fixed & this team will be a very tough out.

Then I get what infantrycak is saying & he's technically correct. But even with Jeff Allen, we've got the sixth best rushing attack in the league. Lamar Miller is a top 10 back this season. Not being able to get it done in the red zone, not being able to pick up 3rd & short... & Jeff Allen is a big dude. It's an issue, I don't know what it is other than they know we're going to run it & we're going to try to hit the B or C gap.
 
I agree there are some issues, but I also believe we are a few plays away from being an explosive offense.... just like Brock said. The plays are there, our QBs just can't get to them as frequently as we like.

They get that fixed & this team will be a very tough out.

Then I get what infantrycak is saying & he's technically correct. But even with Jeff Allen, we've got the sixth best rushing attack in the league. Lamar Miller is a top 10 back this season. Not being able to get it done in the red zone, not being able to pick up 3rd & short... & Jeff Allen is a big dude. It's an issue, I don't know what it is other than they know we're going to run it & we're going to try to hit the B or C gap.

I think this is a large part of the problem. The few rushing touchdowns we've had is to the best of my recollection coming when we attack to the left of center, but yet we continue to attack the right side in short yardage and goal line situations. Really makes me question just what the goal is for GG. It's almost like the Allen pickup was based largely on his recommendation and he's trying to show that it was a good one. Also, how much of the OL woes lies with Devlin not coaching them up very well?
 
I think this is a large part of the problem. The few rushing touchdowns we've had is to the best of my recollection coming when we attack to the left of center, but yet we continue to attack the right side in short yardage and goal line situations. Really makes me question just what the goal is for GG. It's almost like the Allen pickup was based largely on his recommendation and he's trying to show that it was a good one. Also, how much of the OL woes lies with Devlin not coaching them up very well?

& I don't know if they're just not good enough, or if they're just not mean enough.

Did you see that block Travis Kelce put on dude when Tyreek Hill ran around the corner for that big TD?

Or check out 71...

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That's run blocking. Our guys seem like they don't want to hurt the guy they're blocking.

Remember when Duane Brown knocked James Harrison's eye out of its socket?? Those were the days.
 
Note to Uncle Bob (McNair).....

You said we needed speed so the drafted Fuller and Ervin. Both speed guys. Fuller's got the dropsies (not a terminal case but still annoying). And we have Akeem Hunt who has real good speed. And Lamar Miller isn't anybody's slow poke. BUT we haven't seen this new speed put to good use yet.

You said we needed a stud QB so you spent big bucks on Peyton's understudy. He sucked so badly that Billy O had to bench him.

Thank the Heavens you haven't made any defensive "suggestions"

My note to you is: how about you stop making "suggestions" and just write the checks.
 
Really, you don't think McNair mentioning speed was a reflection of what OB/Smith wanted rather than the other way around?
Really, you don't think McNair mentioning speed was a reflection of what OB/Smith wanted rather than the other way around?

Yes I do.

And even though you disagree, speed was badly needed. The Texans were a slow team under Kubiak. Fix the OL and let Savage get some experience and see what happens. I think you will be happy.

BTW, See what your boy Kubiak and the offense you want run has done with a 1st time QB and a crap OL in Denver this yr? About the same as BOB. Point is inexperienced QB's and a bad OL is a receipe for a bad offense.

I'm frankly surprised that the Texans made the playoffs with Os laying as poorly as he has. Semien played better than Os this yr and the Broncos are home for the playoffs and that doesn't really surprise me. Does it surprise you? I think you're holding BOB to a different standard.
 
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I agree there are some issues, but I also believe we are a few plays away from being an explosive offense.... just like Brock said. The plays are there, our QBs just can't get to them as frequently as we like.

They get that fixed & this team will be a very tough out.

Then I get what infantrycak is saying & he's technically correct. But even with Jeff Allen, we've got the sixth best rushing attack in the league. Lamar Miller is a top 10 back this season. Not being able to get it done in the red zone, not being able to pick up 3rd & short... & Jeff Allen is a big dude. It's an issue, I don't know what it is other than they know we're going to run it & we're going to try to hit the B or C gap.

We don't have the 6th best rushing attack. We have the 6th most yards and the 5th most carries. The team averages 4.2 yards per attempt, which puts them at 17th. That's average to below average.

The team is also last in passing yards per attempt and last in yards per completion.

I agree with cak in that we do go into turtle mode and we could do a better job at using our backs to their strengths. However, when the QB play is so poor, there isn't a ton of room for improvement in the run game with this group, and it's no surprise that the play calling lends itself to up the gut runs. They offer the best chance to atleast get something. If we run a stretch or pitch and we lose 2 yards, we don't have a passing game to bail us out, in fact we have the worst passing game in the league.

We need better OL and better play selection, but we need better QB play almost as much. I hope Savage can provide that going into the end of the season.
 
Really, you don't think McNair mentioning speed was a reflection of what OB/Smith wanted rather than the other way around?
If more speed was an O'Brien notion, why didn't he put it to better and more frequent use once he got it?
 
If more speed was an O'Brien notion, why didn't he put it to better and more frequent use once he got it?

It appears he tried to until he saw how abysmal the QB was. Remember the preseason and first two games?
 
If more speed was an O'Brien notion, why didn't he put it to better and more frequent use once he got it?

So wtf is an OB notion? Seems like around here his decisions have been narrowed down to those of Garden Gnome. 'My that's a fine shrubbery you have there lass."
 
I would have liked to have heard the rest of McNabb's reasoning.

I agree with those dudes though. I doubt there's a split in the locker room?

They said "the only reason he's been in the game is because of money." That was the "financial" angle I mentioned in the other threat that you quoted. :thinking:

I wish people would quit harping on the Boselli thing.
The Texans knew he was damaged goods when they took him in the supplemental draft but took him anyway because there was a deal with Jacksonville that Jax would leave Gary Walker and Seth Payne unprotected so we could draft them too, but only if we took Boselli and his contract first.

Yep. Casserly has admitted that they knew Boselli would probably never play a down for the Texans. It was all a deal to get two quality starters for the Texans and allow Jax to relieve some financial pressures.

Two schools of thought, each having their pluses and minuses. Having gone through David Carr and having his potential ruined because of a poor OL, I'd like to see our OL shored up first. We've just gone through what I'd call a crappy season because of our QB and think we can do no worse for one more season with Savage under center.

I've thought about the Carr situation over the years, and I don't think it is as black & white as the Texans ruining his talent or him not being talented enough.

Yeah, the Texans are culpable for not having good protection and a dedicated QB coach, but Carr has admitted that he did not have the worth ethic and did not set a good example as a leader.

Troy Aikman got the hell beat out of him in his first season and it did not ruin him. If the heart is there, then these guys can overcome adversity. Potential PTSD is just an excuse for Carr.

I do agree with building a good line, though, but that is always a priority in my book.

Really, you don't think McNair mentioning speed was a reflection of what OB/Smith wanted rather than the other way around?

My take is that it is a reflection of the consensus they arrived at together in the boardroom.

I do not believe that McNair is a dictator, Wizard of Oz, or puppetmaster but rather a chairman and CEO with a hands-on attitude.
 
My take is that it is a reflection of the consensus they arrived at together in the boardroom.

I do not believe that McNair is a dictator, Wizard of Oz, or puppetmaster but rather a chairman and CEO with a hands-on attitude.
I agree with this. My "Note to Uncle Bob" post was more of a plea that he leave the football decisions to the folks he hired to do their jobs. No "breaking ties". Less making suggestions. If they aren't getting good results then hire better football folks.

As most of us who work(ed) for "hands on" bosses know, you better have a damn good case when you go against his/her "suggestions".
 
I agree with this. My "Note to Uncle Bob" post was more of a plea that he leave the football decisions to the folks he hired to do their jobs. No "breaking ties". Less making suggestions. If they aren't getting good results then hire better football folks.

As most of us who work(ed) for "hands on" bosses know, you better have a damn good case when you go against his/her "suggestions".

Well said, man. I have always hoped that the David Carr demand and Ed Reed debacle would be learning experiences for McNair. His business acumen is outstanding. His football acumen...meh, not so much.
 
If Savage doesn't impress in the next two games, I'll be suspicious of the FO looking at Garoppolo.

Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

...Naturally, with Tom Brady not looking as if he would slow down anytime soon and with Jacoby Brissett drafted in the third round this year, New England appears to be ready to trade Garoppolo to the highest bidder next spring.

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It's never too early to get another Texans jersey. Just head on over to AliExpress and lay your $23-$30 down and go with it. One of those guys is even offering it in Blue "Color Rush" for your premature fan enjoyment. See that Here while it lasts


As a matter of fact I just bought one. What the hell I'm in.

Anyone remember this? This impulsive $30 throw-away purchase I made? Well I got it today and I can't stop smiling.

No, not because I'm happy with it. Because this thing is abominable. Seriously, I've been buying knock-off jerseys for a decade plus and I've never seen one this bad that didn't also have some kind of obvious misspelling or sewing error. What's so funny about this one is how poorly it mimics the Nike Elite lines and that it is made of a material not unlike a dark blue pair of sweat pants. All of the wording on it is distorted and crooked. The SAVAGE nameplate on the back is actually off-center and tilted to the right. I'd get mad but I've probably bought 20+ jerseys and always had good experiences so I figured I'm due on this one.

It's funny though. I'll try to take some pictures of this thing if anyone would like to see how bad this is.

I don't know about the rest of you but I thought the Chinese knock-offs were really good back in the Reebok days. They've been pretty sketchy since the contract went to Nike and this will be the last one I bother to buy. It's been fun but I barely wear jerseys now anyway so no reason to go down this road anymore. I'll go ahead and spring for a real "WATT" #99 to go with my "A.JOHNSON" #80 and just wear those from now on until someone else emerges that's worth the expense of a good jersey.
 
Now, I know injuries happen and he probably would have stayed healthy if it were up to him, but do any of you truly believe Tom Savage has what it takes to be a starting quarterback?

I got to witness him coming off the bench to replace a struggling Brock against the Jags, and I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw from him. The thing is, he didn't look quite as impressive against the Bengals.

I'm not writing him off, but I kinda believe he just looked better by comparison standing next to Brock. But then again, what QB wouldn't?
 
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Now, I know injuries happen and he probably would have stayed healthy if it were up to him, but do any of you truly believe Tom Savage has what it takes to be a starting quarterback?

I got to witness him coming off the bench to replace a struggling Brock against the Jags, and I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw from him. The thing is, he didn't look quite as impressive against the Bengals.

I'm not writing him off, but I kinda believe he just looked better by comparison standing next to Brock.
Still the question on most people's lips.
He has much better composure in the pocket and a bigger arm but also throws some nice touch passes. I think he is more accurate as well.
He does hang onto the ball a bit long so will need to address that.
Honestly, he deserves more time with the firsts - I would hate to trade him or cut him without finding out for sure what he is - only to see him realize his potential with another team.
 
Still the question on most people's lips.
He has much better composure in the pocket and a bigger arm but also throws some nice touch passes. I think he is more accurate as well.
He does hang onto the ball a bit long so will need to address that.
Honestly, he deserves more time with the firsts - I would hate to trade him or cut him without finding out for sure what he is - only to see him realize his potential with another team.
Agreed. I don't know if he has what it takes, but I'm pretty sure I know who doesn't -- I think Brock was given more than a fair shot at proving himself. Either give up a 1st for Garoppolo because you don't think Savage can stay healthy or if NE doesn't go for it, make Savage your guy and draft the eventual guy if Savage doesn't work out.
 
Agreed. I don't know if he has what it takes, but I'm pretty sure I know who doesn't -- I think Brock was given more than a fair shot at proving himself. Either give up a 1st for Garoppolo because you don't think Savage can stay healthy or if NE doesn't go for it, make Savage your guy and draft the eventual guy if Savage doesn't work out.
Brock Osweiler is better than Tom Savage...
Unfortunately, I don't think Brock is in the right system.
He looked much better playing for Gary Kubiak the year before.

Brock, to his credit, actually made some pretty awesome throws in that divisional round loss at Foxborough a week after he helped win us that wild-card game over the Raiders. Throws I don't think Tom Savage can make - technically he couldn't make them because he was INJURED yet again. But Will Fuller and C.J. dropped some beautifully thrown balls. Fuller dropped a Touchdown pass which could have made it much tighter than a 24-16 game early in the fourth quarter.

We had the eventual Super Bowl champs in their house, having to sweat things out until midway in the fourth quarter. And Brock Osweiler got all the damn blame when he made some big-time passes that weren't caught. Will Fuller, in particular, has to catch that Touchdown pass that slips right through his chest and hands.

Come playoff time, where was Tom Savage?
He didn't take a snap just like you and I.

Savage, I'm sorry, but I had enough of him. He's always injured...
He's starting to remind me of Bennie Joppru. Talented but rarely plays.

Brock Osweiler played his ass off in the playoffs. Made some big-time throws that weren't caught. I wish we can improve the hands of our #2, #3 WRs and our #1 and #2 tight ends. Or draft guys that can catch the damn ball please.
 
We don't know, He's accurate and stands in in the face of a rush. I thought he looked good against the Jags and playing against a very good Cincy defense made big plays when the team needed them most in leading the team to a playoff clinching victory.

Savage not starting in the playoffs was a McNair/Ricky call. IMHO

If it wasn't what changed from the point where BOB said Savage gave the team its best chance to win and the Os loss in Foxbourgh?

With that said, if Savage cant stay healthy then we will never know the answer to this question.
 
Agreed. I don't know if he has what it takes, but I'm pretty sure I know who doesn't -- I think Brock was given more than a fair shot at proving himself. Either give up a 1st for Garoppolo because you don't think Savage can stay healthy or if NE doesn't go for it, make Savage your guy and draft the eventual guy if Savage doesn't work out.
I'd be very happy if we landed Jimmy, but I think there is gonna be a **** fight to get him - which probably means > 1st.
We would also have to pay him and there again we hit the rub. We would have to do some serious hedge trimming to get the cash.
 
Can we just merge this in to the Save us Savage thread or something? This thread is going to devolve quickly into other stuff, because it's not answerable.

It just makes it so much more difficult to keep up on peoples thoughts and opinions when these duplicate and useless threads keep popping up.

Edit: probably didn't need me to say anything.
 
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Come playoff time, where was Tom Savage?
He didn't take a snap just like you and I.

Savage, I'm sorry, but I had enough of him. He's always injured...
He's starting to remind me of Bennie Joppru. Talented but rarely plays.
Aren't you the same dude who wants us to stop "overthinking it" and sign Tony Romo when he has a worse injury history (and hasn't been in this system and will likely be more expensive) than Savage??

That's a bit inconsistent don't you think?
 
I'd be very happy if we landed Jimmy, but I think there is gonna be a **** fight to get him - which probably means > 1st.
We would also have to pay him and there again we hit the rub. We would have to do some serious hedge trimming to get the cash.
G is still on his rookie contract. You would only have to pay him in 2018 after Os' contract is off the books. If you're confident that he's a franchise QB, a #1 isn't overpriced at all. If you're supremely confident that he's your man, two #1s is in the ballpark. I'm not at all saying I'm supremely confident in G, just that it's not an outrageous price for a franchise QB.
 
I didn't see much difference between Tom Savage & Brock Osweiler. Nothing that can't be accounted for in the number of starts between the two that is.

While some folks were impressed with Savage in the Jacksonville game & in the Cincy game (WTF??) Osweiler had similar showings.

I think we're treading water until we can find someone... an OC who can put together series of plays to help our QB "look" good. Someone like Kubiak, Shanahan, McDaniels, McCarty, Payton. They'll take a Matt Schaub & make him look nigh elite. While Drew Brees looked good enough to be a starter when he was in San Diego, no one thought he would be elite. Team him up with Sean Payton & he's been among the most prolific passers over the last 10 years.

We had the 29th ranked offense. The 29th ranked passing offense.

No doubt, a "better" QB would have helped. But not as much, I think, as a better OC. & until we get that better OC I don't think it matters if we have Phillip Rivers or Mark Sanchez under center. A bad QB will always be a bad QB, a so-so QB will always be a so-so QB. You don't draft "great" QBs, they're developed. Look at Rivers, Stafford, & Andrew Luck. Chances of those guys winning a Super Bowl are about the same as Osweiler & Savage's.
 
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I didn't see much difference between Tom Savage & Brock Osweiler. Nothing that can't be accounted for in the number of starts between the two that is.

While some folks were impressed with Savage in the Jacksonville game & in the Cincy game (WTF??) Osweiler had similar showings.

I think we're treading water until we can find someone... an OC who can put together series of plays to help our QB "look" good. Someone like Kubiak, Shanahan, McDaniels, McCarty, Payton. They'll take a Matt Schaub & make him look nigh elite. While Drew Brees looked good enough to be a starter when he was in San Diego, no one thought he would be elite. Team him up with Sean Payton & he's been among the most prolific passers over the last 10 years.

We had the 29th ranked offense. The 29th ranked passing offense.

No doubt, a "better" QB would have helped. But not as much, I think, as a better OC. & until we get that better OC I don't think it matters if we have Phillip Rivers or Mark Sanchez under center. A bad QB will always be a bad QB, a so-so QB will always be a so-so QB. You don't draft "great" QBs, they're developed. Look at Rivers, Stafford, & Andrew Luck. Chances of those guys winning a Super Bowl are about the same as Osweiler & Savage's.
Good take. A bad OC will unrail a good young qb, but a good OC can only bring a decent young qb so far. A bad OC and bad young qb = Texans 2016.
 
Only 1/2 joking in the last post. I will say this, BOB doesn't have an escape goat this year. I have my suspicions that all of the struggles this team has had getting good qb play under BOB are a direct result of BOB's inability to coach up a qb. With him at OC, there's no one else to point the finger at next year. Bad qb play in 2017 may equal BOB's exit.
 
Only 1/2 joking in the last post. I will say this, BOB doesn't have an escape goat this year. I have my suspicions that all of the struggles this team has had getting good qb play under BOB are a direct result of BOB's inability to coach up a qb. With him at OC, there's no one else to point the finger at next year. Bad qb play in 2017 may equal BOB's exit.
This is good. Next season, without a doubt, we'll see OB's offense. He'll be coaching to win now, not the future. The decisions made by trade, free agency and draft, as regards the QB position, should give us, finally, an accurate assessment of his opinion of Oz, Savage and Weeden. It's going to be an interesting off season.
 
Only 1/2 joking in the last post. I will say this, BOB doesn't have an escape goat this year. I have my suspicions that all of the struggles this team has had getting good qb play under BOB are a direct result of BOB's inability to coach up a qb. With him at OC, there's no one else to point the finger at next year. Bad qb play in 2017 may equal BOB's exit.
What's an escape goat? An ovine Houdini? :kitten:
 
What's an escape goat? An ovine Houdini? :kitten:
You got me :) I had my Tyndale Bible out at the moment and forgot that ya'll read your King James :)

Edit: Now I'm reading that Tyndale even had it scapegoat (scape-goote). I just know the damn thing got away.
 
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Be sure to .listen/watch the VIDEO on this page.

O'Brien excited about Texans' QBs, mum on Tony Romo

  • By Kevin Patra
  • Around the NFL writer
  • Published: March 27, 2017 at 09:03 a.m.

Palmer: Texans comfortable with Tom Savage as starting QB

Bill O'Brien won't take the bait and pine for Tony Romo to join the Houston Texans.

Speaking with NFL Network's Judy Battista, in an interview that will air Monday on Up To The Minute Live at 5 p.m. ET, from the Annual League Meeting in Phoenix, O'Brien again declined to talk about the possibility of adding Romo, and instead praised the two quarterbacks on his roster.

Garafolo on Romo: Retirement will be an option if there's no interest

"Well first of all, Tony is under contract so he's a Dallas Cowboy," O'Brien said. "We feel like, right now, we have two quarterbacks that'll be there on April 17, the beginning of our offseason program. It'll be Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden. We are really looking forward to working with those guys. Both those guys can throw the football. Tom is a guy who played two or three games for us last year, played well, did some good things for our football team. Still a young player, so we're real excited to work with him. We're excited to be working with Brandon. Two years ago, he helped us win a couple games as our starting quarterback, so that's where it is right now. Now, every day in this league is a fluid situation. Every day, whether it's the draft or free agency or someone gets released or whatever that is. But today, as we sit here right now, we're excited and we will be excited about who we have in that room, and of course, over the next few weeks, maybe we add to that room, maybe we don't..."

While the Cowboys and Texans have an intrastate starring competition regarding Romo, it's reasonable if O'Brien's praise of Savage and Weeden reminds you of his famous Hard Knocks declaration in 2015 that "both those kids can play" when stumping for Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer.

O'Brien doubled down on his belief that Savage can be a starting quarterback if the Texans don't add a veteran quarterback. (The unspoken Romo speculation is the grease in which all quarterback discussions marinate this offseason.)

"Absolutely," O'Brien responded about Savage's ability to start. "He came into some tough games, the Jacksonville game last year that we had to win. We were down in the game, he helped us come back. He helped us beat Cincinnati on Christmas Eve, which was a big game that we had to win to clinch the South. We knew we had to win because of what happened earlier in the day in our division. And he helped us win that game. He got injured, and that's been kind of one of the things that's happened to him. He's been injured over the last three years of his career. But if you look at the history of the league, there's a number of guys who have played that were injured early in their career. Tom is a smart guy, he can throw the ball really well, he knows our system and he's a guy that we're real excited about working with."

Savage certainly was an upgrade on Brock Osweiler last season. The 26-year-old has the arm to open up a previously restricted offense and understands O'Brien's system.

While we are skeptical of Savage's ability to lead a playoff-ready team deep into the postseason, O'Brien believes the former fourth-round pick has the talent and confidence, if he can stay healthy.

"I believe he can," the coach said. "Now look, I think the thing about the injury question, that's a tough question for any coach to answer. Ultimately he knows what he needs to do to stay healthy. He's a smart guy. He's actually worked very hard to change his body in the years that he's been with us. He's gotten stronger and in better shape, more flexible. But you know, when he plays the game maybe he needs to do things a little bit smarter with the experience that he has now, to stay healthy for 16 games."

If or when the Cowboys release Romo and the Texans dive into the fray, this entire post becomes mostly irrelevant. Yet, with Romo's injury history, we could still see O'Brien's faith in Savage put to the test in important games in 2017.
 

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I can barely contain my excitement

What's the point of trading a second rounder if we don't get Romo?
 
Right. The relationship with Osweiler had irreversibly soured. O'Brien was fortunate to find a trading partner.

If we're going to dig up this old argument, we could have cut him without affecting the cap & without giving up a 2nd round pick.

That pick was used to free up $10M. What are we going to do with it if we don't land Romo?
 
If we're going to dig up this old argument, we could have cut him without affecting the cap & without giving up a 2nd round pick.

That pick was used to free up $10M. What are we going to do with it if we don't land Romo?

Extend Hopkins and front load his contract if we don't land Romo. Do you really need ideas on how to spend $10M?
 
Only 1/2 joking in the last post. I will say this, BOB doesn't have an escape goat this year. I have my suspicions that all of the struggles this team has had getting good qb play under BOB are a direct result of BOB's inability to coach up a qb. With him at OC, there's no one else to point the finger at next year. Bad qb play in 2017 may equal BOB's exit.
With Tony Romo he won't need to do any coaching up but he still will have to show what kind of coordinator he is with a competent quarterback.
 
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With Tony Romo he won't need to do any coaching up but he still will have to show what kind of coordinator he is with a competent quarterback.

I like the idea of bringing in a veteran more than the idea of bringing in another inexperienced guy (though at this point I think we should do both). I think there's a lot of "processing" that needs to be done that O'b doesn't fully understand, having never played the position & being gifted Brady in New England.
 
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Only 1/2 joking in the last post. I will say this, BOB doesn't have an escape goat this year. I have my suspicions that all of the struggles this team has had getting good qb play under BOB are a direct result of BOB's inability to coach up a qb. With him at OC, there's no one else to point the finger at next year. Bad qb play in 2017 may equal BOB's exit.

What has Ricky done this offseason to give BOB the help he needs to make this team successful? Nothing would be the correct answer. But you're right BOB is going to take the fall.
 
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