Save us Savage!!!!!!!

[Marshall]

And agents try to leverage higher salaries from those teams.

IMO a good number for space each season is about $15m.

I've said this before but I think the Texans will go into 2016 with very little carryover from 2015. Due to the amount of space they will have in 2016, there is no reason not to spend to the limit in 2015. And the team has some quality young players that will be RFA's in 2016.

I agree and think we are in GREAT shape with Watt alone having the potential of converting almost $20m Cap to bonus netting about $15M in Cap Space.

Some people can't understand that we have managed the Cap well recently. It doesn't fit the Rick Smith is garbage mantra they are stuck on.

 

[infantrycak]

^^^^
This

Hopefully Rick has learned the value of not restructuring contracts. The only time you should restructure contracts is when you're close to a SB. The Texans are still very far far away from being SB contenders. IMHO

There is a huge difference between restructuring as has been done with AJ and extending contracts. The former pushes money into existing future years and is a desperation measure. The latter is a good way to lower salary and/or cap numbers and retain players both.

Yep, 5 mil to draft picks and 10 mil to use in FA seems like a good plan to me.

Which is where the Texans are this year.

 

[Troy Chapman]

I agree and think we are in GREAT shape with Watt alone having the potential of converting almost $20m Cap to bonus netting about $15M in Cap Space.

Some people can't understand that we have managed the Cap well recently. It doesn't fit the Rick Smith is garbage mantra they are stuck on.

Gosh I hope they don't convert his $10m roster bonus to save $8m this year...much less do a full on restructure to adjust his base salary in 2015. As mentioned earlier; that's something you do if you have the chance to get a top tier free agent that gets you a shot at the SB. They really need to leave JJ's deal alone.

 

[Troy Chapman]

There is a huge difference between restructuring as has been done with AJ and extending contracts. The former pushes money into existing future years and is a desperation measure. The latter is a good way to lower salary and/or cap numbers and retain players both.



Which is where the Texans are this year.

Should be about $3.2-$3.3m of cap space used to sign the draft class this year, assuming they don't trade around for more picks in the first three rounds.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Orakpo on a prove it deal.

I'm all for this...While I'd like McPhee , Orakpo on a prove it deal would be nice.

 

[steelbtexan]

Gosh I hope they don't convert his $10m roster bonus to save $8m this year...much less do a full on restructure to adjust his base salary in 2015. As mentioned earlier; that's something you do if you have the chance to get a top tier free agent that gets you a shot at the SB. They really need to leave JJ's deal alone.

This is my point about restructuring.

If you're not a SB contender then there should be no restructuring. IMHO

 

[infantrycak]

Should be about $3.2-$3.3m of cap space used to sign the draft class this year, assuming they don't trade around for more picks in the first three rounds.

I was looking at spotrac which had us top 51 with all draft picks signed (believe they had about $4.5 allotted) leaving $10.6 mil iirc.

I'm all for this...While I'd like McPhee , Orakpo on a prove it deal would be nice.

Orakpo's prove it deal was $11.5 mil.

 

[Marshall]

Gosh I hope they don't convert his $10m roster bonus to save $8m this year...much less do a full on restructure to adjust his base salary in 2015. As mentioned earlier; that's something you do if you have the chance to get a top tier free agent that gets you a shot at the SB. They really need to leave JJ's deal alone.

That would be a last resort. But we do have the flexibility to do it IF there was a FA we really wanted or needed. The good thing is that we can simply use up the cap from year to year, meet minimum cash payout requirements, and shift the flexibility forward if we are wise with our acquisitions.

 

[steelbtexan]

There is a huge difference between restructuring as has been done with AJ and extending contracts. The former pushes money into existing future years and is a desperation measure. The latter is a good way to lower salary and/or cap numbers and retain players both.



Which is where the Texans are this year.

I thought I saw mentioned somewhere that the Texans are only 10 mil under the cap as of today and they still have to sign their draft picks?

 

[steelbtexan]

That would be a last resort. But we do have the flexibility to do it IF there was a FA we really wanted or needed. The good thing is that we can simply use up the cap from year to year, meet minimum cash payout requirements, and shift the flexibility forward if we are wise with our acquisitions.

I cant believe the Texans are having to worry about meeting the minimum cash requirements.

Well: yes I can

 

[JB]

I thought I saw mentioned somewhere that the Texans are only 10 mil under the cap as of today and they still have to sign their draft picks?

HOUSTON TEXANS CAP TOTALS

Active Contracts:
$138,699,793
Top 51 Contracts:
$131,426,825
Draft Pool Cap:
$4,928,694
Dead Cap:
$603,593
Total (w/All Active):
$139,303,386
Total (w/Top 51):
$132,030,418
Est. Top 51 Cap Space:
$10,936,195

link

 

[Troy Chapman]

I was looking at spotrac which had us top 51 with all draft picks signed (believe they had about $4.5 allotted) leaving $10.6 mil iirc.



Orakpo's prove it deal was $11.5 mil.

Yea I seen that as well. Top 4 picks will eat up about $3.5m in cap space, then add in the pro-rated signing bonus money from the other picks and any SB given to the undrafted rookies...so just a tad under $4m.

Oddly enough, Spotrac doesn't have John Simon included. And they haven't factored in the ~$2.69m that the team will lose when the PPE's kick in for Jones, Crick, and Brooks. PPE Article

I am still happy with where the cap is, but it's not quite what Spotrac has it listed at.

 

[Number19]

I thought I saw mentioned somewhere that the Texans are only 10 mil under the cap as of today and they still have to sign their draft picks?

Simply put, the $10m is with the draft picks factored in.

 

[thunderkyss]

Managing the Cap is not about having a ton of space every year as much as with keeping the space near the limit while having maximum flexibility to make improvements to the team.

Absolutely not. Managing the cap is about properly assessing talent & production. Does you no good to have $80M of cap space if you haven't had a winning season in a decade.

& no one can fault you for spending at the cap level if you've won a Super Bowl or two in the last five years.

Being able to win that Super Bowl & having lots of cap room is ideal... but talent & production costs.

 

[ChampionTexan]

I cant believe the Texans are having to worry about meeting the minimum cash requirements.

Well: yes I can

Well, all 32 teams have to worry about meeting minimum cash requirements as it's part of the CBA, but as of now, there's 10 teams under the 89% floor, but the Texans aren't one of them.

Then again, since the list of those currently under the minimum includes the Patriots and Steelers, perhaps you'll want to change course and start bitching and moaning that they aren't under it.

Over the past two seasons, the Raiders spent the least cash: about $205.3 million, or 80.2% of the $256 million total they were allotted, per the NFLPA. If the cap goes up by $10 million per year in both 2015 and '16, the Raiders' average payroll for the next two seasons must increase by more than $40 million just to hit the minimum.

Agents figure to take notice of which teams have to spend money as they prepare for the annual slew of pre-free agency meetings this week at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis.

Also underspending - as of Feb. 9, when the NFLPA calculated the numbers - were: the Carolina Panthers (80.8%), New York Jets (81.16%), Jacksonville Jaguars (82.2%), Dallas Cowboys (82.6%), New England (82.7%), New Orleans Saints (86.2%), Washington Redskins (87%), New York Giants (87.9%) and Pittsburgh Steelers (88.3%).

link

 

[Playoffs]

I don't know how, but I missed where Savage got hurt. What happened?

 

[steelbtexan]

Simply put, the $10m is with the draft picks factored in.

Thanks.

They should be able to re-sign their own FA's if they choose. Not sure if they can add players in FA without extending contracts.

 

[steelbtexan]

Well, all 32 teams have to worry about meeting minimum cash requirements as it's part of the CBA, but as of now, there's 10 teams under the 89% floor, but the Texans aren't one of them.

Then again, since the list of those currently under the minimum includes the Patriots and Steelers, perhaps you'll want to change course and start bitching and moaning that they aren't under it.



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No griping and complaining here. Just saying other teams like the Pats (Revis) Broncos (Haley) seem to be able to add players in FA and the Texans are lucky to be able to add the Fitz/Lewis/Powe's of the world. In addition to the bang up job that has been done in the draft the last 2 yrs. (I liked last yrs draft and still think it has a chance to be an above avg draft.)

But if you want to think that the Texans management is doing a great job, that's your perogative.

 

[infantrycak]

No griping and complaining here. Just saying other teams like the Pats (Revis) Broncos (Haley) seem to be able to add players in FA and the Texans are lucky to be able to add the Fitz/Lewis/Powe's of the world. In addition to the bang up job that has been done in the draft the last 2 yrs. (I liked last yrs draft and still think it has a chance to be an above avg draft.)

But if you want to think that the Texans management is doing a great job, that's your perogative.

Try, just a little bit, to be honest about this. When you have an arguable GOAT QB it makes things easier on the entire rest of the roster. The Pats won the SB with no WRs. That isn't a model that works unless you have a GOAT QB

 

[steelbtexan]

Try, just a little bit, to be honest about this. When you have an arguable GOAT QB it makes things easier on the entire rest of the roster. The Pats won the SB with no WRs. That isn't a model that works unless you have a GOAT QB

Agreed

Still haven't answered the question how these teams have room to make major moves every yr but the Texans don't have room to make moves for anyone but 3rd tier FA's?

BTW, I wouldn't call Edelman a nobody, he would be the best WR on the Texans right now. IMHO

The best PR for sure with no debate. Tell me more about Gronk, who plays split out like a WR a lot?

 

[infantrycak]

Agreed

Aah, warm fuzzy.

Still haven't answered the question how these teams have room to make major moves every yr but the Texans don't have room to make moves for anyone but 3rd tier FA's?

BTW, I wouldn't call Edelman a nobody, he would be the best WR on the Texans right now. IMHO

The best PR for sure with no debate. Tell me more about Gronk, who plays split out like a WR a lot?

What were Wes Welker or Julian Edelman before playing with Brady and Manning?

Now you have the eye on college football - instead of Randall Cobb, who's that guy you can get in the 7th or undrafted who can be a hero if his QB is on?

 

[EllisUnit]

Agreed

Still haven't answered the question how these teams have room to make major moves every yr but the Texans don't have room to make moves for anyone but 3rd tier FA's?

BTW, I wouldn't call Edelman a nobody, he would be the best WR on the Texans right now. IMHO

The best PR for sure with no debate. Tell me more about Gronk, who plays split out like a WR a lot?

Tom Brady has made a lot of nobodys look good, and then when they leave they just so happen to be average ? Not likely the case....

 

[steelbtexan]

Aah, warm fuzzy.



What were Wes Welker or Julian Edelman before playing with Brady and Manning?

Now you have the eye on college football - instead of Randall Cobb, who's that guy you can get in the 7th or undrafted who can be a hero if his QB is on?

Welker was making plays with bad QB play in Mia. and of course got better with Brady/Manning. Edelman has played his whole career with Brady so I'm not sure I understand your question?

Both Edelman/Welker are all pro level returners. So there is that added value. Edelman is clutch and would be the best WR on the Texans roster right now. He would add a speed element that is currently missing.

The 2 late rd WR's that I think could make a real difference on the Texans roster are 1. Devin Gardner (Big fast, being a former QB he should understand route concepts. 2. Jaxson Shipley- who I see as a Welker clone and would upgrade KR/PR game. He's not as fast as Edelman but is very shifty in space and has good hands.

Still looking for the how do the Pats/Broncos manage to make FA moves every yr but the Texans cant?

 

[thunderkyss]

No griping and complaining here. Just saying other teams like the Pats (Revis) Broncos (Haley) seem to be able to add players in FA and the Texans are lucky to be able to add the Fitz/Lewis/Powe's of the world. In addition to the bang up job that has been done in the draft the last 2 yrs. (I liked last yrs draft and still think it has a chance to be an above avg draft.)

But if you want to think that the Texans management is doing a great job, that's your perogative.

I don't think we'll have a shot at guys like Revis (who's Haley?) until we become a team that's consistently expected to win or they are no longer the player they used to be. We need to focus on getting guys like Jjo... youngish, underrated, underappreciated. Which includes guys like Anthony Weaver (shouldn't have paid him so much... but at the time that was probably the only way to land him).

We could offer a guy like Randall Cobb $12M/yr for 8 years & he'll leave thinking he could get that, or something similar elsewhere. He goes to Denver, or New England... Baltimore, or Seattle... & he'll sign if they offer him $8M/yr.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think we'll have a shot at guys like Revis (who's Haley?) until we become a team that's consistently expected to win or they are no longer the player they used to be. We need to focus on getting guys like Jjo... youngish, underrated, underappreciated. Which includes guys like Anthony Weaver (shouldn't have paid him so much... but at the time that was probably the only way to land him).

We could offer a guy like Randall Cobb $12M/yr for 8 years & he'll leave thinking he could get that, or something similar elsewhere. He goes to Denver, or New England... Baltimore, or Seattle... & he'll sign if they offer him $8M/yr.

Agreed,

I meant Ware, I look at 94 in Cowboys gear and still think Haley.

Don't know about your Cobb scenario, players want to get paid on the 2nd contract and usually go where the $$$$ is. If it's close Cobb will stay with Rodgers.

 

[thunderkyss]

Don't know about your Cobb scenario, players want to get paid on the 2nd contract and usually go where the $$$$ is. If it's close Cobb will stay with Rodgers.

He'll want more money, no doubt. If the money is close, he'll stay in GB. But if GB is going to offer him $6M/yr, Pittsburgh offers him $10M/yr, & Tennessee offers him $14M/yr, I bet he goes to Pittsburgh, unless Tennessee guarantees substantially more.

Money is important, but so is winning. He may be willing to go to a team like Philly, or Houston for $12M/yr.... these numbers are all examples. Players have teams slotted, just like teams have players slotted. You've got your elite teams, your pretenders, up & comers, & losers. A loser will have to pay a lot more for a blue chip player than an elite team would.

 

[steelbtexan]

He'll want more money, no doubt. If the money is close, he'll stay in GB. But if GB is going to offer him $6M/yr, Pittsburgh offers him $10M/yr, & Tennessee offers him $14M/yr, I bet he goes to Pittsburgh, unless Tennessee guarantees substantially more.

Money is important, but so is winning. He may be willing to go to a team like Philly, or Houston for $12M/yr.... these numbers are all examples. Players have teams slotted, just like teams have players slotted. You've got your elite teams, your pretenders, up & comers, & losers. A loser will have to pay a lot more for a blue chip player than an elite team would.

Where would you rate the Texans?

I would rate them as up & comers.

Under Kubiak they were pretenders.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Where would you rate the Texans?

I would rate them as up & comers.

Under Kubiak they were pretenders.

I vote up and comers

 

[infantrycak]

Welker was making plays with bad QB play in Mia. and of course got better with Brady/Manning. Edelman has played his whole career with Brady so I'm not sure I understand your question?

Both Edelman/Welker are all pro level returners.

C'mon take your stance and stick with it. The topic was WRs and nobody pays retuners. They were undrafted and 7th so instead of carping about the Texans pick out the next one of those. Not I want a high dollar like Cobb but a few picks down there.

And lol at Edelman being better than AJ and Hopkins.

 

[Troy Chapman]

Welker was making plays with bad QB play in Mia. and of course got better with Brady/Manning. Edelman has played his whole career with Brady so I'm not sure I understand your question?

Both Edelman/Welker are all pro level returners. So there is that added value. Edelman is clutch and would be the best WR on the Texans roster right now. He would add a speed element that is currently missing.

The 2 late rd WR's that I think could make a real difference on the Texans roster are 1. Devin Gardner (Big fast, being a former QB he should understand route concepts. 2. Jaxson Shipley- who I see as a Welker clone and would upgrade KR/PR game. He's not as fast as Edelman but is very shifty in space and has good hands.

Still looking for the how do the Pats/Broncos manage to make FA moves every yr but the Texans cant?

With the Pats, I feel it is three things: 1) Brady continually taking way under market salary. 2) the coaching & Brady's ability has helped make lower talent players into quality players. 3) Front office willing to part with players before they are become overpaid.

With the Broncos, I feel they had some wonderful drafts in 2011, 2012, 2013 that led to a lot of quality starters. Allowing the team to have quality players on rookie deals, and fill the gaps with some quality FA talent. Their GM has generated some nice deals (essentially 1 or 2 year) for the FA talent brought in.

Now on the Texans, you have the wonderful (sarcasm) drafts from 2012 & 2013 that lead to additional spending to back fill depth. I also feel that the Texans had bad timing on the new CBA with where they were with the team building. Houston was signing players to big deals and trying to make a run at the SB....creating some problems 2-3 years later. And the bad drafts did not allow the team to take advantage of multiple rookie wage scale contracts. The run to the SB did not happen, and the organization had to make a dramatic turnover (currently in progress) taking on over $21m in dead money in 2014 to start the process. I think the Texans are finally being smart with contracts (Watt's is a example) and avoiding the huge signing bonus deal that leaves big dead money on the back end. I think Houston has positioned themselves well, cap wise, for 2016 & 2017. Now if drafts can come through we might have something.

Just my opinion.

 

[steelbtexan]

C'mon take your stance and stick with it. The topic was WRs and nobody pays retuners. They were undrafted and 7th so instead of carping about the Texans pick out the next one of those. Not I want a high dollar like Cobb but a few picks down there.

And lol at Edelman being better than AJ and Hopkins.

Re read my post I gave you 2 late rd picks Shipley/Gardner. Yes I do value WR's that can KR/PR more. They save roster spots. (But you've got to be a better returner than Martin.)

Just a difference in opinion on Edelman's value/talent level. Do you think BB/Brady would trade Edelman for Hopkins/AJ? Remember Brady and Edelman are tight.

Edelman knows how to get open. It's an underrated tool. Not saying AJ doesn't know how to get open. Somebody should ask Mallett for his honest opinion on Edelman, I bet it would surprise you.

 

[steelbtexan]

With the Pats, I feel it is three things: 1) Brady continually taking way under market salary. 2) the coaching & Brady's ability has helped make lower talent players into quality players. 3) Front office willing to part with players before they are become overpaid.

With the Broncos, I feel they had some wonderful drafts in 2011, 2012, 2013 that led to a lot of quality starters. Allowing the team to have quality players on rookie deals, and fill the gaps with some quality FA talent. Their GM has generated some nice deals (essentially 1 or 2 year) for the FA talent brought in.

Now on the Texans, you have the wonderful (sarcasm) drafts from 2012 & 2013 that lead to additional spending to back fill depth. I also feel that the Texans had bad timing on the new CBA with where they were with the team building. Houston was signing players to big deals and trying to make a run at the SB....creating some problems 2-3 years later. And the bad drafts did not allow the team to take advantage of multiple rookie wage scale contracts. The run to the SB did not happen, and the organization had to make a dramatic turnover (currently in progress) taking on over $21m in dead money in 2014 to start the process. I think the Texans are finally being smart with contracts (Watt's is a example) and avoiding the huge signing bonus deal that leaves big dead money on the back end. I think Houston has positioned themselves well, cap wise, for 2016 & 2017. Now if drafts can come through we might have something.

Just my opinion.

Great post, repped

To sum it up, Rick Smith read the tea leaves wrong when it came to doing new contracts and wasn't very good in the draft to put it mildly. You are a kind soul not to bring up the 2014 draft. Yet some still defend Rick Smith?

 

[Troy Chapman]

Great post, repped

To sum it up, Rick Smith read the tea leaves wrong when it came to doing new contracts and wasn't very good in the draft to put it mildly. You are a kind soul not to bring up the 2014 draft. Yet some still defend Rick Smith?

Houston took their shot and missed; and now are finding there back out of that miss. I give credit to organization for giving it a shot. I like Rick Smith as a GM. I did not bring up the 2014 draft because it is unfair to grade a draft this early.

 

[steelbtexan]

Houston took their shot and missed; and now are finding there back out of that miss. I give credit to organization for giving it a shot. I like Rick Smith as a GM. I did not bring up the 2014 draft because it is unfair to grade a draft this early.

What has Rick Smith done to make you like the job he has done?

The terrible drafts, bad contracts?

Or do you like him because he appears to be a nice guy? Remember he stabbed Kubiak in the back. Do you have a thing for yes men?

 

[Troy Chapman]

What has Rick Smith done to make you like the job he has done?

The terrible drafts, bad contracts?

Or do you like him because he appears to be a nice guy? Remember he stabbed Kubiak in the back. Do you have a thing for yes men?

I thought I answered that in my post. He signed the players that Kubiak wanted for his system, and they took a shot. Yes they missed, as many many teams do. I don't blame him for the drafts entirely, I blame the organization. I understand why players were signed to the contracts given in 2011, 2012, and 2013. They missed, dumped all the bad contracts and moved on. Only took one bad year. The organization adjusted their method with the new front office & coaching additions.

 

[steelbtexan]

I thought I answered that in my post. He signed the players that Kubiak wanted for his system, and they took a shot. Yes they missed, as many many teams do. I don't blame him for the drafts entirely, I blame the organization. I understand why players were signed to the contracts given in 2011, 2012, and 2013. They missed, dumped all the bad contracts and moved on. Only took one bad year. The organization adjusted their method with the new front office & coaching additions.

Here's to hoping the adjusted their methods.

 

[infantrycak]

Re read my post I gave you 2 late rd picks Shipley/Gardner. Yes I do value WR's that can KR/PR more. They save roster spots. (But you've got to be a better returner than Martin.)

Thanks for naming those guys. I'll be watching out for them.

Bonner was injury but or maybe he could have played a role

Do you think BB/Brady would trade Edelman for Hopkins/AJ? Remember Brady and Edelman are tight.

In a friggin' heartbeat.

Not saying Edelman or a Welker sucks or ever sucked but they are what they are twitchy guys made great by a system and a GOAT.

 

[steelbtexan]

Thanks for naming those guys. I'll be watching out for them.

Bonner was injury but or maybe he could have played a role




In a friggin' heartbeat.

Not saying Edelman or a Welker sucks or ever sucked but they are what they are twitchy guys made great by a system and a GOAT.

I still have hope for Bonner, IIRC he is real quick in and out of his breaks. Can he KR/PR?

We will have to agree to disagree, I really like Edelman a lot. I think you may be underrating him. He's a winner.

 

[JB]

I still have hope for Bonner, IIRC he is real quick in and out of his breaks. Can he KR/PR?

We will have to agree to disagree, I really like Edelman a lot. I think you may be underrating him. He's a winner.

If he was all that why did they get Amendola?

 

[steelbtexan]

If he was all that why did they get Amendola?

His 1st few yrs in the league he had injury issues. So when they let Welker walk they signed Amendola who also had injury issues. BB figured Edelman + Amendola = 1 quality slot WR.

Then Edelman has stayed healthy the last 2 yrs and proved that he not only could play the slot but outside as well and Gronk + Edelman became Brady's favorite targets.

 

[Marshall]

Absolutely not. Managing the cap is about properly assessing talent & production. Does you no good to have $80M of cap space if you haven't had a winning season in a decade.

& no one can fault you for spending at the cap level if you've won a Super Bowl or two in the last five years.

Being able to win that Super Bowl & having lots of cap room is ideal... but talent & production costs.

I think we're close to being on the same page. I'm not advocating leaving a huge cap space, but managing the cap to meet minimum cash spending and cap spending targets and evaluation of talent, which you advocate, determines how and when to use the flexibility you build in to the cap management.

We're just approaching the same problem from different perspectives. You from the personnel side and me from the contractual/financial side. Both sides need to be clicking to maximize overall effectiveness in getting the best team put together so the coaches have what they need to become winners on and off the field.

 

[thunderkyss]

Where would you rate the Texans?

I would rate them as up & comers.

Under Kubiak they were pretenders.

If we have a QB, we're pretenders/contenders, like Philly. With our current situation, we're on the bottom of the up & comers pile.

 

[thunderkyss]

Re read my post I gave you 2 late rd picks Shipley/Gardner. Yes I do value WR's that can KR/PR more. They save roster spots. (But you've got to be a better returner than Martin.)

I wish we'd start targeting DBs who could return punts & kicks.

 

[thunderkyss]

What has Rick Smith done to make you like the job he has done?

The terrible drafts, bad contracts?

Or do you like him because he appears to be a nice guy? Remember he stabbed Kubiak in the back. Do you have a thing for yes men?

I'm not the biggest Rick Smith fan. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if he got fired.

But I appreciate the way we didn't pay Dunta, or Barwin, or Babin or Mario, cut DMann, then got him back on the cheap. I thought the Schaub contract was a good "prove it" type contract... wasn't his fault Kubiak couldn't see what we saw when we saw it was obvious that Schaub should be replaced.

I liked our drafts. 2014 included. That Monday, I thought we'd be in the play offs largely because of that draft & our weak schedule. Not Rick's fault it turned out the way it did. I also think it funny people complain about not taking chances on players, but they blame Rick & want to fire him because he took too many chances, too risky chances in 2013.

But I like a lot of our players that were drafted/acquired by Rick Smith... Arian, Cush, Kjax, Jj, Hop, Brooks, Jones, Myers, Brown nobody is 100% in the draft & I think we stack up well against the rest of the league... if we had a QB like pre injury Schaub. We're better than most teams if we can find a Matt Stafford, or Phillip Rivers.


But that's just me.

 

[steelbtexan]

Nothing is ever Smith's fault

Just what the Teflon backstabber wants the masses to believe.

 

[Insideop]

I'm not the biggest Rick Smith fan. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if he got fired.

But I appreciate the way we didn't pay Dunta, or Barwin, or Babin or Mario, cut DMann, then got him back on the cheap. I thought the Schaub contract was a good "prove it" type contract... wasn't his fault Kubiak couldn't see what we saw when we saw it was obvious that Schaub should be replaced.

I liked our drafts. 2014 included. That Monday, I thought we'd be in the play offs largely because of that draft & our weak schedule. Not Rick's fault it turned out the way it did. I also think it funny people complain about not taking chances on players, but they blame Rick & want to fire him because he took too many chances, too risky chances in 2013.

But I like a lot of our players that were drafted/acquired by Rick Smith... Arian, Cush, Kjax, Jj, Hop, Brooks, Jones, Myers, Brown nobody is 100% in the draft & I think we stack up well against the rest of the league... if we had a QB like pre injury Schaub. We're better than most teams if we can find a Matt Stafford, or Phillip Rivers.


But that's just me.

I'm with ya on this TK. I think Rick gets a lot of the blame for the bad picks and no credit for the good ones! I believe most NFL teams have a "consensus pick" system that the coaches, scouts, and GM come to an agreement on with either the HC or GM, depending on who has the most power, having final say if there's a disagreement.

I definitely agree the Texans are one of the better teams talent wise. All they need is that QB to put them on top. Hopefully that will be Mallet this coming season. If not, they'll have to look again to the draft or FA next year.

 

[thunderkyss]

Nothing is ever Smith's fault

I wouldn't go so far as saying nothing is Rick's fault. That definitely should not be gleaned from my post above yours. AT the same time, I don't think everything is his fault.

 

[steelbtexan]

I wouldn't go so far as saying nothing is Rick's fault. That definitely should not be gleaned from my post above yours. AT the same time, I don't think everything is his fault.

If you're the man in charge then whatever goes wrong is ultimately your fault. Atleast that's how it works in the real world.

Not the Texans world.

 

[thunderkyss]

If you're the man in charge then whatever goes wrong is ultimately your fault. Atleast that's how it works in the real world.

Not the Texans world.

Since when has Rick Smith been the man in charge? He's been Kubiak's heyboi from day one. Travardo & Montgomery are not here because of a decision Kubiak made. Chris Jones? Rick picked him, Kubiak kicked him....

Are you blaming Rick Smith for Quessenberry's cancer? Did he blow up the levee too? Was he the man on the grassy knole?

News flash... the man in charge ain't in charge any more. Well... he's in Denver, still not in charge though.

 

[steelbtexan]

Since when has Rick Smith been the man in charge? He's been Kubiak's heyboi from day one. Travardo & Montgomery are not here because of a decision Kubiak made. Chris Jones? Rick picked him, Kubiak kicked him....

Are you blaming Rick Smith for Quessenberry's cancer? Did he blow up the levee too? Was he the man on the grassy knole?

News flash... the man in charge ain't in charge any more. Well... he's in Denver, still not in charge though.

Bottom line is these guys aren't on the team anymore = Bust.

Are you saying the GM had no part in making these picks. If so I don't understand the GM job.

Rick Smith = Teflon man

I do believe that BOB's has more clout in the personnel dept. Hence the hiring of Brian Gaine.