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8 yrs of Kubiak were 5 too many. I said so after the 2009 season when posters thought Smithiak (I hate that name) were somekind of dynamic do that was going to make the Texans a dynasty. LOL

With that said if McNair is going to give Kubiak that much time he should do the same with BOB. Personally if BOB doesn't show improvement and find his longterm answer at QB then after 2 more yrs fire him.

One thing you can count on is whatever is wrong with this team if/when BOB is fired it wont be Rick Smith's fault.

Again, I look at it differently.

When Kubiak was hired, the job was to turn an island of misfit toys into a team. He did. We were 4-12, 5-11, 7-9, 2-14 the four years prior to Kubiak. The outlier is the one season one game under .500

Kubiak had us at 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, & 9-7...... the outlier is the one season not close to .500 he did his job. Now, the task was to make this team a perennial playoff team. we went 6-10, 10-6, 12-4, 2-14, missed the play offs two out of four years. 50/50.... .500 I could see granting him another extension. McNair didn't.

So O'bs task is to make this a perennial play off team. He's got one strike against him. & depending on how the team performs over the rest of his contract, 2015's division championship may not count in his favor. The goal should be to win in the play offs, not just get there. But, we are where we are.

Of course, if he gets us to the AFC Championship game in 2016 or 2017, I'm sure an extension would come. But if we miss the play offs the next two years, we're back to being the island of misfit toys & we'll need someone to pull us back together.
 
Again, I look at it differently.

When Kubiak was hired, the job was to turn an island of misfit toys into a team. He did. We were 4-12, 5-11, 7-9, 2-14 the four years prior to Kubiak. The outlier is the one season one game under .500

Kubiak had us at 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, & 9-7...... the outlier is the one season not close to .500 he did his job. Now, the task was to make this team a perennial playoff team. we went 6-10, 10-6, 12-4, 2-14, missed the play offs two out of four years. 50/50.... .500 I could see granting him another extension. McNair didn't.

So O'bs task is to make this a perennial play off team. He's got one strike against him. & depending on how the team performs over the rest of his contract, 2015's division championship may not count in his favor. The goal should be to win in the play offs, not just get there. But, we are where we are.

Of course, if he gets us to the AFC Championship game in 2016 or 2017, I'm sure an extension would come. But if we miss the play offs the next two years, we're back to being the island of misfit toys & we'll need someone to pull us back together.

Disagree, BOB was hired to make them a playoff team and he made them one. If they take a couple of steps back while a young franchise QB is learning the ropes I've got no problem with that.

One ting is for sure, some of the posters on this MB certainly hold BOB to a different standard than they held Kubiak too. I'm glad McNair doesn't share the sentiment of those posters.
 
Disagree, BOB was hired to make them a playoff team and he made them one. If they take a couple of steps back while a young franchise QB is learning the ropes I've got no problem with that.

One ting is for sure, some of the posters on this MB certainly hold BOB to a different standard than they held Kubiak too. I'm glad McNair doesn't share the sentiment of those posters.

If we make the playoffs one of four years, I don't think that makes us a playoff team.

Yes, I hold O'b to a different standard than Kubiak from when Kubiak was hired. It's the same standard I held Kubiak to after his contract extension.
 
If we make the playoffs one of four years, I don't think that makes us a playoff team.

Yes, I hold O'b to a different standard than Kubiak from when Kubiak was hired. It's the same standard I held Kubiak to after his contract extension.
What makes it a little worse is that we were a playoff team by default. Maybe it's a good thing I'm not the owner, because I would have fired OB after having a season where we were down 41-0, 42-0, and 30-0.

Hopefully this season goes better.
 
If we make the playoffs one of four years, I don't think that makes us a playoff team.

Yes, I hold O'b to a different standard than Kubiak from when Kubiak was hired. It's the same standard I held Kubiak to after his contract extension.

Yet, they both started out with 2-14 teams and no QB. It took Kubiak 2 yrs to find his QB and hopefully it takes BOB 3 yrs to find his.

People cant get over that they both started out with 2-14 teams, but your record is what it says it is.
 
Disagree, BOB was hired to make them a playoff team and he made them one.

With all your complaining about McNair. ..he truly is a fool if he thinks this 9-7 is better than last year's 9-7 or 2009's 9-7 just because they are a "playoff" team by virtue of a cratered division.

Yet, they both started out with 2-14 teams and no QB. It took Kubiak 2 yrs to find his QB and hopefully it takes BOB 3 yrs to find his.

It took Kubiak 1 year to find his QB and that 1 year was mandated by others. OB had no such restriction.

People cant get over that they both started out with 2-14 teams, but your record is what it says it is.

Everyone in the world knows they both inherited 2-14 teams. And pretty much everyone but you knows those 2-14 teams bore no similarity other than record. We had a poll in here about those two teams. The only unanimous poll result we have ever had - OB inherited a better team.
 
With all your complaining about McNair. ..he truly is a fool if he thinks this 9-7 is better than last year's 9-7 or 2009's 9-7 just because they are a "playoff" team by virtue of a cratered division.



It took Kubiak 1 year to find his QB and that 1 year was mandated by others. OB had no such restriction.



Everyone in the world knows they both inherited 2-14 teams. And pretty much everyone but you knows those 2-14 teams bore no similarity other than record. We had a poll in here about those two teams. The only unanimous poll result we have ever had - OB inherited a better team.

1. We agree he's a foll, a fool who's making bank.
2. see #1
3. Agreed, but I believe in the Parcells way of looking at records.
 
Yet, they both started out with 2-14 teams and no QB. It took Kubiak 2 yrs to find his QB and hopefully it takes BOB 3 yrs to find his.

People cant get over that they both started out with 2-14 teams, but your record is what it says it is.

Kubiak took over a 2-14 team where people came to retire. They didn't expect anything but a paycheck.

O'b took over a 2-14 team where the majority of the players had been to the play offs in back to back seasons. They expect to be playing in January. They expect to be congratulating their teammates on going to the pro bowl. They expect to win.
 
Kubiak took over a 2-14 team where people came to retire. They didn't expect anything but a paycheck.

O'b took over a 2-14 team where the majority of the players had been to the play offs in back to back seasons. They expect to be playing in January. They expect to be congratulating their teammates on going to the pro bowl. They expect to win.
Kubiak took over a team with Charlie Casserly as GM and OB took over one with Rick Smith as GM. Hmmmm....:thinking:

I'm not off of the fire Smith bandwagon at all, but it should be included in the argument.
 
What makes it a little worse is that we were a playoff team by default. Maybe it's a good thing I'm not the owner, because I would have fired OB after having a season where we were down 41-0, 42-0, and 30-0.

Hopefully this season goes better.
I'm sorry, but it seems like an angry better who took the points to me rather than a fan.
 
I did. And angry still looks more like a "losing bettor" than a "fan" who is usually just sad.
This simply shows that you are incapable of understanding the fact that there "fans" who respond to things differently than you do. To be honest, I'm more in your camp in terms of how I react to such things, but I recognize there are many who react with anger, and that's just sports.
 
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This simply shows that you are incapable of understanding the fact that there "fans" who respond to things differently than you do. To be honest, I'm more in your camp in terms of how I react to such things, but I recognize there are many who react with anger, and that's just sports.

Meh, 'anger' comes with and without emotion. I may say I'm angry about the QB situation but there's no emotion to it - vehemently disagree is just a pain to type.
 
The QB position has been holding this team back since 2013. (I'm being generous).

You knew it.

I knew it.

The Texans hint that they know, but they act like they don't.

They bring Bryan Hoyer in.

WTF?? That's not going to work.

You knew it.

I knew it.

The Texans hint that they know, but they act like they think it's going to work.

O'b, Hoyer's strongest supporter (presumably) benches him less than 4 qtrs into game 1. Ok. So now we're on the same page. We screwed up the QB thing for the season, let's make lemonade. Hoyer is in & out of the line up. He plays good enough to win against the poorest defenses in the league. He gets benched when we play avg to better defenses in the league.

By some miracle of miracles we make it to the play offs. We're going to play one of the teams that Brian Hoyer did not play well against. In fact, it's the very team we played week 1 that got him yanked.

3 interceptions & a fumble before midway through the 2nd qtr. I'm mad that they let him finish the half. I'm pissed out of my mind that they let him start the second half only to show more of what we saw the 1st half... & he finishes the game. How dafuk am I not supposed to be mad?
 
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This simply shows that you are incapable of understanding the fact that there "fans" who respond to things differently than you do. To be honest, I'm more in your camp in terms of how I react to such things, but I recognize there are many who react with anger, and that's just sports.
It is true I don't understand this kind of anger. It saddens me than many appear to be comfortable with it.

IT'S A GAME!
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/insider/stor...ephia-eagles-need-re-sign-qb-sam-bradford-nfl

Two interesting paragraphs from the article:

Bradford is an elite vertical passer
Cam Newton and Russell Wilson both made strong MVP cases during the second half of the 2015 season, but they could not keep up with Bradford in terms of yards per attempt (YPA) on vertical passes (throws of 11 or more yards downfield). In fact, no one in the league matched Bradford's 15.1 vertical YPA pace from Weeks 9 through 17.

That Bradford did this with a less-than-stellar pass-catching corps is notable, but it isn't an anomaly. In the 2013 season, Bradford ranked sixth in the league in vertical YPA (12.5) despite throwing to a mediocre receiving corps consisting of Tavon Austin, Austin Pettis, Chris Givens, Brian Quick, Jared Cook and Lance Kendricks. He is one of a small handful of quarterbacks capable of getting excellent downfield production out of subpar receiving.
 
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If you sat thru 30-0 you might feel differently.
Exactly! I got tickets for my gf, myself, and for family that came in from Atlanta in section 135 row B. Needless to say, the tickets didn't come cheap, but the embarrassment hurt more than what I spent on tickets, food, and beer. Knile Davis ran that opening kickoff all the way directly to us. Even my family members were yelling at the top of their lungs, demanding O.B bench Hoyer during the 2nd quarter! It was just terrible! We ended the night at Christian's Tailgate in White Oak, met some blonde bimbos to slay, and help forget about that mess.
 
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Exactly! I got tickets for my gf, myself, and for family that came in from Atlanta in section 135 row B. Needless to say, the tickets didn't come cheap, but the embarrassment hurt more than what I spent on tickets, food, and beer. Knile Davis ran that opening kickoff all the way directly to us. Even my family members were yelling at the top of their lungs, demanding O.B bench Hoyer during the 2nd quarter! It was just terrible! We ended the night at Christian's Tailgate in White Oak, met some blonde bimbos to slay, and help forget about that mess.

So you took your gf to the game and went and slayed some blonde bimbos afterwards?
 
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I was questioning the validity of your story, not the morality of your relationship.
I'm 30 years old, dude. I honestly don't care if you think my story isn't "valid." I also happen to have a career that pays quite well. Besides, section 135 row B is a good section (I'd buy those seats again) but, not the greatest. If I wanted to pay $700+(each) for 6 tickets, I would have gotten those center, first row seats, but I don't trust the Texans enough nor do I think they're worth spending that kind of money on.
 
So you took your gf to the game and went and slayed some blonde bimbos afterwards?

Wtf is this reading rainbow? For all you know they're swingers with an open relationship. Maybe it's a second date? Maybe she's cheated on him a dozen times? Slay man slay. When did this become maury povich?
 
Wtf is this reading rainbow? For all you know they're swingers with an open relationship. Maybe it's a second date? Maybe she's cheated on him a dozen times? Slay man slay. When did this become maury povich?
Right?! I guess it's out of the realm of possibility that a bunch of young women go to bars on a Saturday night, drink, and want to be picked up after feeling good, singing karaoke, and dancing on guys. Hurry, get Maury to ship the lie detector over to texanstalk.com! Lol
 
Some of my bigger regrets are not sleeping with women because i was locked into a relationship. Here i am 39 and alone - gf's come and go. I may have passed on women who were good for me because i was to stupid at the time to understand the girl i was with was no bueno. For all anyone knows, mang and his gf broke up at halftime. Ive NEVER once cheated on a gf but who the hell am i to tell some other guy he can't?

I haven't a clue what any of this has to do with savage/Bradford.
 
Some of my bigger regrets are not sleeping with women because i was locked into a relationship. Here i am 39 and alone - gf's come and go. I may have passed on women who were good for me because i was to stupid at the time to understand the girl i was with was no bueno. For all anyone knows, mang and his gf broke up at halftime. Ive NEVER once cheated on a gf but who the hell am i to tell some other guy he can't?

I haven't a clue what any of this has to do with savage/Bradford.
I wasine that during my last relationship, passed on a few awesome girls and that's why I don't pass up any chance, when a chance presents itself now. Anyway, back to the topic...I want Savage as the starter, lol.
 
Some of my bigger regrets are not sleeping with women because i was locked into a relationship. Here i am 39 and alone - gf's come and go. I may have passed on women who were good for me because i was to stupid at the time to understand the girl i was with was no bueno. For all anyone knows, mang and his gf broke up at halftime. Ive NEVER once cheated on a gf but who the hell am i to tell some other guy he can't?

I haven't a clue what any of this has to do with savage/Bradford.
I was like that during my last relationship, passed on a few awesome girls and that's why I don't pass up any chance, when a chance presents itself now. Anyway, back to the topic...I want Savage as the starter, lol.
 
I'm 30 years old, dude. I honestly don't care if you think my story isn't "valid." I also happen to have a career that pays quite well. Besides, section 135 row B is a good section (I'd buy those seats again) but, not the greatest. If I wanted to pay $700+(each) for 6 tickets, I would have gotten those center, first row seats, but I don't trust the Texans enough nor do I think they're worth spending that kind of money on.


Yeah who cares what people think bro! I'm Captain America and I drive a Ferrari, and I have a hot girlfriend too (you wouldn't know her though she uhh lives in Canada).

No one cares. I can't stand the internet bragging post. We don't know you, it could all be true or you could be in your mom's basement dreaming of being the coolest dude on TexansTalk.
 
Yeah who cares what people think bro! I'm Captain America and I drive a Ferrari, and I have a hot girlfriend too (you wouldn't know her though she uhh lives in Canada).

No one cares. I can't stand the internet bragging post. We don't know you, it could all be true or you could be in your mom's basement dreaming of being the coolest dude on TexansTalk.

Dude, Captain America would never own a Ferrari ...
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/insider/stor...ephia-eagles-need-re-sign-qb-sam-bradford-nfl

Two interesting paragraphs from the article:

Bradford is an elite vertical passer
Cam Newton and Russell Wilson both made strong MVP cases during the second half of the 2015 season, but they could not keep up with Bradford in terms of yards per attempt (YPA) on vertical passes (throws of 11 or more yards downfield). In fact, no one in the league matched Bradford's 15.1 vertical YPA pace from Weeks 9 through 17.

That Bradford did this with a less-than-stellar pass-catching corps is notable, but it isn't an anomaly. In the 2013 season, Bradford ranked sixth in the league in vertical YPA (12.5) despite throwing to a mediocre receiving corps consisting of Tavon Austin, Austin Pettis, Chris Givens, Brian Quick, Jared Cook and Lance Kendricks. He is one of a small handful of quarterbacks capable of getting excellent downfield production out of subpar receiving.
He's also one of the handful of QB's in the league that are too fragile to take a risk on.
 
Yeah who cares what people think bro! I'm Captain America and I drive a Ferrari, and I have a hot girlfriend too (you wouldn't know her though she uhh lives in Canada).

No one cares. I can't stand the internet bragging post. We don't know you, it could all be true or you could be in your mom's basement dreaming of being the coolest dude on TexansTalk.
I hate internet personas. If you can't be yourself, it just isn't worth it.
 
He's also one of the handful of QB's in the league that are too fragile to take a risk on.
I would just stay the heck away from Bradford! Let's see what Tom Savage is all about. He's had enough time to learn the system (2+ years) and it's all on him if he didn't take advantage of being able to sit back during games, practice his ass off, and learn without being rushed. If he don't make it I won't feel one bit sorry, as these dudes get paid extremely well to play a kids sport and have all the time in the world to workout and just focus on their craft.
 
Exactly! I got tickets for my gf, myself, and for family that came in from Atlanta in section 135 row B. Needless to say, the tickets didn't come cheap, but the embarrassment hurt more than what I spent on tickets, food, and beer. Knile Davis ran that opening kickoff all the way directly to us. Even my family members were yelling at the top of their lungs, demanding O.B bench Hoyer during the 2nd quarter! It was just terrible! We ended the night at Christian's Tailgate in White Oak, met some blonde bimbos to slay, and help forget about that mess.

Whenever I go to ct there is never any blonde bimbos I guess I go at the wrong time
 
The Rundown: The Offseason Look at the Houston Texans Quarterbacks
Patrick Starr
Friday at 9:15 AM
A closer look at the Houston Texans quarterbacks heading into the 2016 season.

Quarterbacks

Under Contract

Brought in towards the end of the season off of the Seattle Seahawks practice squad, B.J. Daniels played quarterbacking and even did some wide receiver plus punt returns. The Texans tried to make him part of the offense insetting him in as the quarterback that ran the read option game but there was just not enough reps in real game action to get him comfortable. The Texans tried to be versatile with him on the field but that was a scrapped during the wild card round during the season. The Texans can use Daniels for 2016 but he will have to show he can help in all spots to make the team coming out of camp.

It was a lost season for Tom Savage who would have no doubt seen the field with the turmoil and injuries at the position. Savage was placed on the injured reserve after suffering a shoulder injury on a blown blocked assignment in the final preseason game. The Texans would not wait on Savage to get healthy so they placed him on the injured reserve. Savage was a victim of the organization hitching their wagons to Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer. There could have been a better feel for Savage if things would have been different for him during the start of the season but there is nothing anyone can do now to change it. Savage spent time with the team the entire season and learning as much as he could in the film room and throwing after practices. (he could not practice with teammates due to him being placed on the I.R.) Savage took plenty of mental reps and now he has to put it together during the summer months to make he coaches look his way.

Brian Hoyer was the odds on favorite to land the starting job when the team broke training camp and he did. Then he had the plug pulled on him quickly after a terrible start in week one with some critical turnovers. It was not until Mallett was cut from the team that the coaching staff bought into Hoyer as a quarterback. Hoyer’s biggest issues came from two concussions in less than a month that changed his confidence as a player and it was clear in week 17 he was feeling pressure that was not there. His entire season imploded in the wild card round against the Chiefs where he was handing out free gifts all afternoon. There were positives with Hoyer but not enough strung together to feel that the Texans were trending up. The offense was never at full strength and he did not play well enough to carry the team at any point of the season.

Free Agents

T.J. Yates worked his magic once again and was instrumental in saving the Texans season with a fill in win over Cincinnati and a big game against the New York Jets to push them into the playoff race. Yates is highly inaccurate but he somehow finds key throws that flip the field for big plays. When Yates arrived in the locker room he helped bring a calmness to the team and he still has some clout for what he did his rookie season. His torn ACL ended his season in Indianapolis but there is little chance the Texans make the playoffs without him.

Talk about coming back from the afterlife, that is exactly what Brandon Weeden did with the Texans. Just like Yates, Weeden saved the team versus the Colts for their first win against them in Indianapolis in franchise history. Then lead the Texans to a decisive win over the Titans with him looking poised in the pocket. Weeden was a integral part for the Texans because of the injuries to Yates and Hoyer and it was clear why he was a 1st round talent at one point. His arm strength was lauded by teammates and he always looked under control during games. Only hear for the remainder of the season, Weeden might have extended his NFL shelf like for another team to give him a shot.

Offseason Overview

It has been made very clear on more than one occasion from Owner Bob McNair that the Texans need to find a young quarterback from the draft. What McNair says public on what he wants, he usually gets what he wants for the team. So expect a quarterback to arrive to Houston via the draft.

Brian Hoyer’s future was still being discussed and what direction they should go with him and if the Texans opt to run Hoyer back out on the field week one of 2016 there could be some serious issues.

Tom Savage should be the only quarterback on the roster that should be safe. Savage will need to put him together a blockbuster camp to prove he can be the starter for the near future for the Texans.

There is no doubt this is the biggest question for the Texans during the offseason and the team is at a crossroads on what they should do. The Texans could be in line for their fourth different quarterback to start week one in four seasons, that is nothing to be proud of.

The Texans need to find continuity from the position and that will lead to a better success rate on the offense. All eyes will turn to coach Bill O’Brien and general manager Rick Smith to find the right quarterback to lead this team.
 
Bradford just got re-signed witn the Eagles. One more team will not needa qb in the draft.

I've got to assume it's structured in a way where Bradford gets paid but the Eagles can still get out of the contract after the first year without too much of a penalty. That way they could still go QB if the right guy fell to them, let that guy sit behind Bradford for one year, and then hand him the reigns.
 
Bradford just got re-signed witn the Eagles. One more team will not needa qb in the draft.

I've said before, I don't think a 2nd QB gets taken until the Rams pick. The Texans don't have to move up to the top 3, they'd probably just have to move up to 10 - 14 to get whoever the Browns don't take.
 
I've said before, I don't think a 2nd QB gets taken until the Rams pick. The Texans don't have to move up to the top 3, they'd probably just have to move up to 10 - 14 to get whoever the Browns don't take.
This was mentioned on Sirius NFL this afternoon. They didn't think the Texans would be able to put together a package to trade up to the top 3.
 
Nobody sits qb who gets drafted in the 1st round anymore, name me the last qb who sat at least a year who was drafted in the first 16 picks?
 
Bradford just got re-signed witn the Eagles. One more team will not needa qb in the draft.
Won't really make a difference since the Browns will draft one at #2, the Cowboys are 50/50, the Rams will draft one, and the 49ers will probably draft one.
That's four teams ahead of us that are very likely to draft QBs! It's still looking like we will get Hackenberg since the ones making all the noise (Wentz, Goff, Lynch, and Cook) will be gone! Our only chance to get one of them is if, and that's a big IF, Dallas does not draft a QB because the other three will definitely draft one.
 
Won't really make a difference since the Browns will draft one at #2, the Cowboys are 50/50, the Rams will draft one, and the 49ers will probably draft one.
That's four teams ahead of us that are very likely to draft QBs! It's still looking like we will get Hackenberg since the ones making all the noise (Wentz, Goff, Lynch, and Cook) will be gone! Our only chance to get one of them is if, and that's a big IF, Dallas does not draft a QB because the other three will definitely draft one.

provides another option for a trade up though.
 
provides another option for a trade up though.
We can land one if we trade up to pick before the Rams, that's assuming nobody makes a move to trade with Tennesse . You actually expect Rick Smith to trade up? I doubt it, I can almost guarantee the "we don't need a star QB" mentality continues because of the Broncos winning the Super Bowl. The front office is THAT stupid, and they somehow ignore the fact that both Manning and Osweiler along with the offense had A LOT to do with the Broncos getting there. Not only the defense!
 
I've got to assume it's structured in a way where Bradford gets paid but the Eagles can still get out of the contract after the first year without too much of a penalty. That way they could still go QB if the right guy fell to them, let that guy sit behind Bradford for one year, and then hand him the reigns.

It's 2 years $36M, $26 guaranteed. They're married for two years. I doubt they will be looking to put their 1st round pick on the bench after that kind of investment in a QB.

They're more likely to put together a team to challenge Dallas & Washington for their division.

At least I would.
 
It's 2 years $36M, $26 guaranteed. They're married for two years. I doubt they will be looking to put their 1st round pick on the bench after that kind of investment in a QB.

They're more likely to put together a team to challenge Dallas & Washington for their division.

At least I would.

That is way more guaranteed money than I expected. Unless it is extremely front-loaded I will have to change my mind and agree with you.
 
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