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poplarbluffman

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from St Louis and watched Bradford....think a perfect signing for you guys

also a draft guy and am curious about Savage. Wasn't that high on him coming out but sure has the arm/size to be a starting NFL QB wondering about how he has looked and his future.

with the Rams moving just like to talk football and the draft so registered here..also hate seeing the same old teams in the playoffs every year and love to see so new blood so rooting for you guys
 
poplarbluffman said:
from St Louis and watched Bradford....think a perfect signing for you guys

also a draft guy and am curious about Savage. Wasn't that high on him coming out but sure has the arm/size to be a starting NFL QB wondering about how he has looked and his future.

with the Rams moving just like to talk football and the draft so registered here..also hate seeing the same old teams in the playoffs every year and love to see so new blood so rooting for you guys
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Welcome aboard. I haven't seen much of Bradford but from the little that I've seen I don't like him. What attributes have you seen that leads you to believe that he'd be a good fit for Houston?
 
been going to training camps for 30+ years and the most accurate passer I've ever seen....hurt in st Louis by brutal coaches/skill players
looked very good when we had a healthy Denario Alexander, Danny Amendola or Mark Clayton on the field.
look at his stats in Philly last year after the 1st 3 games..played at an elite level. Very smart passer who only real problem is he doesn't throw enough interceptions. Sometime wished he would throw the ball up for grabs more.
 
Bradford was a perfect possibility and all types of potential ... 5 years ago. He's a backup. Injured, inconsistent and has spent too many seasons under too many coaches. I'd pay a little extra to have him on the sidelines, but Bradford would NOT enter the season as my top option.
 
I liked Bradford as a prospect before all the injuries. I agree and still think he is a good player but I wouldn't be handing a starting job to him.
 
Bradford is very accurate when given time to stand in the pocket, however he has a Hoyer-esque tendency to absolutely lose his mind if pressured.

This is a league where good QB's have to thrive under pressure. If your QB can't do that, then he's not good.
 
Welcome aboard, Poplar. Sucks that St. Louis lost their team. Houston fans know the feeling.

There is still room on the Texans fan bus, so climb aboard. It is unlikely that the bus will ever reach its destination, and it often runs off in the ditch, but it is a fun ride.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I liked Bradford as a prospect before all the injuries. I agree and still think he is a good player but I wouldn't be handing a starting job to him.
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I agree with this, but would also add, I can see him beeping the next Carson Palmer.

I don't know about bringing him here though. Seems like the unluckiest player not wearing a Texans' uniform. Don't need to compound the situation for him, or for us.
 
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Bradford wasn't mobile when young and old guys become less so. I don't want another high priced pensioner taking up cap space as an excuses for drafting a winner. Better that the Texans become a team.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree with this, but would also add, I can see him beeping the next Carson Palmer.

I don't know about bringing him here though. Seems like the unluckiest player not wearing a Texans' uniform. Don't need to compound the situation for him, or for us.
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Well, both Savage and Bradford could be rehabbing their recent A-C shoulder separations together.........lots of things in common to talk about in Physical Therapy........:)
 
poplarbluffman said:
from St Louis and watched Bradford....think a perfect signing for you guys

also a draft guy and am curious about Savage. Wasn't that high on him coming out but sure has the arm/size to be a starting NFL QB wondering about how he has looked and his future.

with the Rams moving just like to talk football and the draft so registered here..also hate seeing the same old teams in the playoffs every year and love to see so new blood so rooting for you guys
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Welcome to the board! Sorry that you lost your team but as ROO said earlier we know the feeling here in Houston.

The few glimpses we've had of Savage have looked fairly promising, but he seems to have bad luck with the injury bug. He has a strong arm and seems to be very accurate passer with a good touch, but it's hard to get much of a read on him since he spent the whole year on IR. In 2014, his Rookie year, he came in for Fitzpatrick in the 2nd Colts game and played about a half before getting hurt and going on IR for the rest of the season. He had 2 long throws that were dead on during the game that showed a little glimpse of what he could be. There are a number of fans, myself included, on this board who want to see him get a shot next season. Will see what happens.

As for the draft, there is plenty of talk about that mostly in the College Football/Mock Draft forum. So, again, welcome to the board!
 
So Savage was OB's 4th round draft pick, his only QB draft pick so far as coach of the Texans, and he elected to sit him on IR for the entire season because he had Hoyer and Mallett. It doesn't excite me in the least to think he should be given a chance to be the starter next season. He was light years behind Hoyer and Mallett in TC. That is all I need to know.
 
Tom Savage looks like Nick Cage:

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Bradford has weird eyes:

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Advantage Savage:

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sandman said:
So Savage was OB's 4th round draft pick, his only QB draft pick so far...He was light years behind Hoyer and Mallett in TC. That is all I need to know.
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Do we know that? I don't think so. What we know, if memory serves me, is that Savage got a lot of work in training camp but was injured in the last pre-season game, before final depth chart decisions were made. What we can only speculate is the reason why he was placed on IR from various reports that have come out. And from these reports it seems the decision was made to save a roster spot.

OB holds his cards close to his vest.
 
Just got through reading this new thread, and here's what stuck out.

If you go back and re-read all the posts, if you remove "Sam Bradford" and replace it with "RG3", it stil fits.

"Always hurt", "prospect before all the injuries" ....

About the only thing I saw different was that RG3 doesn't look like Nicolas Cage
 
Marcus said:
Just got through reading this new thread, and here's what stuck out.

If you go back and re-read all the posts, if you remove "Sam Bradford" and replace it with "RG3", it stil fits.

"Always hurt", "prospect before all the injuries" ....

About the only thing I saw different was that RG3 doesn't look like Nicolas Cage
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Advantage: Savage
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree with this, but would also add, I can see him beeping the next Carson Palmer.

I don't know about bringing him here though. Seems like the unluckiest player not wearing a Texans' uniform. Don't need to compound the situation for him, or for us.
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What makes you think he could be the next Carson Palmer and why would Bradford be beeping him? Beepers went out of style a looooong time ago! :kitten:
In all seriousness, Bradford has been mediocre at best and has only played two full seasons in six years. The closest link that I see is that both played on some really crappy teams.
 
Norg said:
I'd rather take keenum of y'all hands esp if st Louis is drafting a qb
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Not this **** again......Lets just get VY as well! Hey Schaub is a free agent lets sign him! Maybe Favre can come out of retirement.

Wait what is Jake Delhomme up to? How about giving Sage a chance to prove the Rosencopter was a one time thing?
 
Marcus said:
Just got through reading this new thread, and here's what stuck out.

If you go back and re-read all the posts, if you remove "Sam Bradford" and replace it with "RG3", it stil fits.

"Always hurt", "prospect before all the injuries" ....

About the only thing I saw different was that RG3 doesn't look like Nicolas Cage
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Difference is it's widely assumed RG3 would be brought in on a cheap deal to prove himself or compete for the starting spot.

With Bradford, he's going to want a larger contract and pretty much be named the starter.
 
sandman said:
So Savage was OB's 4th round draft pick, his only QB draft pick so far as coach of the Texans, and he elected to sit him on IR for the entire season because he had Hoyer and Mallett. It doesn't excite me in the least to think he should be given a chance to be the starter next season. He was light years behind Hoyer and Mallett in TC. That is all I need to know.
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I do NOT remember it that way. All indications were that he had made remarkable progress over his first year and simply lacked reps because of the Hoyer/Mallett competition. But I'm an Old Man and perhaps my memory is failing. Would you help an old man and find any support for your position?
 
sandman said:
So Savage was OB's 4th round draft pick, his only QB draft pick so far as coach of the Texans, and he elected to sit him on IR for the entire season because he had Hoyer and Mallett. It doesn't excite me in the least to think he should be given a chance to be the starter next season. He was light years behind Hoyer and Mallett in TC. That is all I need to know.
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Where's your proof that Savage was "light years" behind Hoyer and/or Mallett? Are you just supposing this because Savage wasn't given the chance to compete for the starting job? After seeing the QB debacle of 2015, especially considering OB's handling of Hoyer and Mallett, I see that more as an indictment of the coaching staff than Savage being significantly behind either. Savage showed great improvement during the preseason. Being placed on IR made sense because it freed up a roster spot and OB had already decided who his starter and backup was going to be. Again, that reflects poorly on OB, not Savage. That's all I need to know
 
DocBar said:
Where's your proof that Savage was "light years" behind Hoyer and/or Mallett? Are you just supposing this because Savage wasn't given the chance to compete for the starting job? After seeing the QB debacle of 2015, especially considering OB's handling of Hoyer and Mallett, I see that more as an indictment of the coaching staff than Savage being significantly behind either. Savage showed great improvement during the preseason. Being placed on IR made sense because it freed up a roster spot and OB had already decided who his starter and backup was going to be. Again, that reflects poorly on OB, not Savage. That's all I need to know
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Not often you and I agree, but we're locked down on this one. :goodpost:
 
infantrycak said:
Other than him not being in consideration up against Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum?

In closed practices he couldn't compete with those two.
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That's pure speculation on your part, not proof of anything. My pure speculation is that he was never going to get a chance. OB was sold on Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber. Considering it was a "competition" between Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber, OB was not going to give Savage the reps he would need to change OB's mind. Hard to compete when you're not getting the reps with the 1st or 2nd team guys.
 
DocBar said:
That's pure speculation on your part, not proof of anything. My pure speculation is that he was never going to get a chance. OB was sold on Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber. Considering it was a "competition" between Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber, OB was not going to give Savage the reps he would need to change OB's mind. Hard to compete when you're not getting the reps with the 1st or 2nd team guys.
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But why do you think OB didn't give Savage an equal shot at the "competition"?
 
Mollywhopper said:
But why do you think OB didn't give Savage an equal shot at the "competition"?
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He traded for Mallett, who "knows" his "system" and had Hoyer signed in FA, for the same reason. If OB is locked in on those two and there are only so many reps to go around. Savage could very well have been the odd man out.
 
DocBar said:
He traded for Mallett, who "knows" his "system" and had Hoyer signed in FA, for the same reason. If OB is locked in on those two and there are only so many reps to go around. Savage could very well have been the odd man out.
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And so OB felt those guys were ahead of Savage, hence he was behind them, be it light years or some other measurement.
 
Mollywhopper said:
But why do you think OB didn't give Savage an equal shot at the "competition"?
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Because in his mind he was grooming Savage for the future, but didn't think he was ready now. You twiddle Dee and twiddle dumber til the cows come home, but he didn't think Savage was ready to be a starter last year. Now, granted, if hadn't of gotten hurt, he most likely would have played in games, but it still doesn't change the fact that he didn't think he was ready to start the season.

You can can dump on OB all you want, but to think that he would never see Savage as his starting QB in the future is downright moronic.
 
Mollywhopper said:
And so OB felt those guys were ahead of Savage, hence he was behind them, be it light years or some other measurement.
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Of course he felt that way Mallet entering his what 5th year in the league Hoyer was a starter before, both guys spent years in his system and Savage was drafted as a project. Doesn't mean he was worse.
 
And if none of you believe in the concept of grooming a young QB for the future, then God help any QB that they might take in the draft this year.
 
Mollywhopper said:
And so OB felt those guys were ahead of Savage, hence he was behind them, be it light years or some other measurement.
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I have no doubt that OB thought Savage was behind them. The distance behind is significant. My eyeball test of PS games did not show me "light years" behind. They showed me that he was neck and neck with them.
 
DocBar said:
I have no doubt that OB thought Savage was behind them. The distance behind is significant. My eyeball test of PS games did not show me "light years" behind. They showed me that he was neck and neck with them.
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Preseason isn't a very accurate measurement. I realize it's most of what we had to go on for discussion sake, but still.

That said I'm not making an argument against Savage being given some opportunity. The argument is it would be irresponsible to even pencil him in as the guy without a healthy competition to give ourselves the best shot at a quality 'the guy'.
 
Marcus said:
And if none of you believe in the concept of grooming a young QB for the future, then God help any QB that they might take in the draft this year.
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No QB drafted after the 3rd round has succeeded since Brady. Maybe you can understand the math of zero.

Let him compete, fine. Don't plan on it.
 
infantrycak said:
No QB drafted after the 3rd round has succeeded since Brady. Maybe you can understand the math of zero.
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no qb drafted at 22 has succeeded maybe you should understand the math at 0 since earlier you said that didnt make a difference.

no one has done something until it is done
 
Shishkabob said:
no qb drafted at 22 has succeeded maybe you should understand the math at 0 since earlier you said that didnt make a difference.

no one has done something until it is done
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Quote me.

Do you hit a 13 with a six showing. No. You play the odds. F'king pissing away JJ seasons because of folks thinking like you.
 
infantrycak said:
Quote me.

Do you hit a 13 with a six showing. No. You play the odds. F'king pissing away JJ seasons because of folks thinking like you.
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yes because us on this board are making the team decisions lol

Ive never not advocated us drafting a QB early, however i know we will not be getting 1 of the top 2 in Goff or Wentz, so after that you are stuck with Lynch(who i dont like), Cook, Hackenberg, etc.

none of those guys i believe will make an immediate impact next season. I like from what i saw in Savage, he has all the tools those guys have so I think he should be given a shot to start. Not saying name him the starter without seeing a competition but i dont think he should be written off
 
Mollywhopper said:
Preseason isn't a very accurate measurement. I realize it's most of what we had to go on for discussion sake, but still.

That said I'm not making an argument against Savage being given some opportunity. The argument is it would be irresponsible to even pencil him in as the guy without a healthy competition to give ourselves the best shot at a quality 'the guy'.
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Since I don't think all that much of this years QB crop, my biggest concern is drafting a QB higher than he should be drafted or giving up too much for him and being stuck trying to groom him because of draft position. I just want the best player at the position on the field. I don't want some rookie kid just handed the keys to the franchise without earning it.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Preseason isn't a very accurate measurement. I realize it's most of what we had to go on for discussion sake, but still.

That said I'm not making an argument against Savage being given some opportunity. The argument is it would be irresponsible to even pencil him in as the guy without a healthy competition to give ourselves the best shot at a quality 'the guy'.
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Which is why I want O'b fired. He gave Hoyer the starting job based off a 3 year old memory of one time in training camp.
 
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