SAINTS HOLD ON while BUSH HOLDS OUT?

[TexanFan881]

alright.

As Houston Texans' fans, you should be grateful that you didn't draft Bush.

Noun - Texans
Possession - fans

The fan is in possession of the Houston Texans

You wouldn't say
Here's the Houston Texans helmets.
You would say
Here's the Houston Texans' helmets.
so
Here's a Houston Texans' fan trying to figure out if he is a Houston Texan's fan or a Houston Texans fan.

See what I mean?

bah screw it!
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Man I sure am miffed we didn't draft Bush.

eheh

There you go. You got it Or there's other rules but that looks and sounds right. I'll find out in two years when I finish High School

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But yes I'm in the we screwed ourselves by not taking Bush camp. I've seen enough highlights to say he's going to be something special.

 

[TwinSisters]

There you go. You got it Or there's other rules but that looks and sounds right. I'll find out in two years when I finish High School

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But yes I'm in the we screwed ourselves by not taking Bush camp. I've seen enough highlights to say he's going to be something special.

No sir, I have already been through the U ( no wait I am still at the U .. O god I turned into Otter!! ) and we just skipped that battle to take on the more important issues like commas and chatspeak. Even the guardians of the English language in England have stayed away from the dreaded fan debate. See look
http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/index.htm

Apostrophe Protection Society doesn't even address sports.

look up something called attributive usage

Adjectival (also known as attributive) usage vs possessive usage is probably the thing that divides us the most here [on the APS].

There must be a ruling on this... we must have rules... o yes o yes.. rules and definitive rules for the rules. It's the law.

 

[ensign_lee]

I vote no apostrophe. Apostrophe implies ownership, which is not present here.

Think about this in terms of our soccer team. 1864 or something? Would you say that fans of that team are the 1864's fans? No.

Same goes with Texans fans. NO APOSTROPHE!

 

[Texans_Chick]

I vote adjectival usage. I just like the way it looks better.

Even though I am so possessed by the Texans you would need an exorcist to free me.

You could complicate this whole converation by asking whether you drop the "s" at the end of Texans when pairing it with fan.

I am a Texan fan.

The Texas Longhorns. Longhorn fans bleed orange.

The College Station Aggies. Aggie fans love helping the sheep over the fence.

The Houston Rockets. Rocket fans were happy when Van Gundy cut the combover. At least this one was.

The Houston Astros. Astro fans would like to see something called run support.

This usage is easier to say out loud.

 

[Mr. White]

I vote adjectival usage. I just like the way it looks better.

Even though I am so possessed by the Texans you would need an exorcist to free me.

You could complicate this whole converation by asking whether you drop the "s" at the end of Texans when pairing it with fan.

I am a Texan fan.

The Texas Longhorns. Longhorn fans bleed orange.

The College Station Aggies. Aggie fans love helping the sheep over the fence.

The Houston Rockets. Rocket fans were happy when Van Gundy cut the combover. At least this one was.

The Houston Astros. Astro fans would like to see something called run support.

This usage is easier to say out loud.

Now would be a good time for somebody to pound a gavel and declare "fan law."

 

[edo783]

Geeezzzz, just what I wanted. I come to a football MB and an english and punctuation class breaks out. I guess some people are easly entertained on the off season by such. Me, I just want some football.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

I thought it was summer guys.......

 

[TEXANRED]

The College Station Aggies. Aggie fans love helping the sheep over the fence.

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sheep need lovin too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Double Barrel]

"The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe." - Frank Zappa

 

[Porky]

Geeezzzz, just what I wanted. I come to a football MB and an english and punctuation class breaks out. I guess some people are easly entertained on the off season by such. Me, I just want some football.

Sometime things are backwards. I once went to an English class, and a message board broke out.

 

[Texans34Life]

Update on that whiny Bush:

Saints | Bush contemplating not signing?
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo Sports, reports there has been some talk of New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush not signing in time for training camp. Now, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the NFL Draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price. "No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there." Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent. Wednesday, July 19, Mike Ornstein, who is Bush's marketing agent, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Miss., that he didn't think Bush would be signed in time for camp. Ornstein is not allowed to negotiate contracts, but he is acutely aware of all of Bush's business matters. Bush supposedly has more than $5 million in the bank from multiple endorsement deals Ornstein has negotiated since Bush left the University of Southern California. Bush could probably sit out 2006 and still be a high pick next year.

 

[Hutch13]

Update on that whiny Bush:

Saints | Bush contemplating not signing?
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo Sports, reports there has been some talk of New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush not signing in time for training camp. Now, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the NFL Draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price. "No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there." Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent. Wednesday, July 19, Mike Ornstein, who is Bush's marketing agent, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Miss., that he didn't think Bush would be signed in time for camp. Ornstein is not allowed to negotiate contracts, but he is acutely aware of all of Bush's business matters. Bush supposedly has more than $5 million in the bank from multiple endorsement deals Ornstein has negotiated since Bush left the University of Southern California. Bush could probably sit out 2006 and still be a high pick next year.

Wow! um wow. This is interesting, but it could really hurt Bushs rep even more especially since the whole katrina thing.

 

[TwinSisters]

Wow! um wow. This is interesting, but it could really hurt Bushs rep even more especially since the whole katrina thing.

Bush Bowl II

Sunday December 31st in the year of our Lord 2006
Houston, Texas.

at 3:11, Kris Brown shanks another late 4th quarter field goal and the Texans beat out the Cleveland Browns for the 2007 number one over all draft spot.

April 8th, after Easter celebrations the Fanzone is invaded by the 20,000 Catholics that insist Rick Smith is going to select Brady Quinn.

April 9th, the California Student Body Left counters with a 22,000 man rebuttal about how David Carr just needs to adjust to the new system, new lineman, and insist that Reggie Bush must be taken this time around so that he can finally reach his potential.

May 1st, the Texans pass over Bush twice for stand out DT Bob Womerjeik from Cottageville CC, South Carolina. GM Rick Smith press release states that it is obviously a football decision, "The guy is a monster and has good character... I mean he got 3 sacks in one game against Folly Beach U last season. I've never seen anything like it in my one year has GM in the NFL."

June 23rd, the Cleveland Browns gloating over their fortunes in getting the best player in football for the past 50 years, sell out their season tickets for the first time since Jim Brown played.

August 10th, Reggie Bush states that he will hold out until the 2008 draft because the NFL will still not allow him to wear number 5. Reggie's agents make sure that it is known that it breaks Reggie's heart not to be able to play in Cleveland. It's just business and the NFL started it.

April 27th, 2008 New York City: the Los Angeles Trojans select Reggie Bush as the first player to be taken in their newly awarded franchise. Bush being able to wear number 5 was part of the charter agreement. In fact, the number 5 is passed as a registered trademark in California legislature. Any team visiting L.A. with a player using the number 5 must be changed out or be fined 5,000 dollars for each day they are in the State with a number 5 on their roster.

Sep 14th, 2008 The NFL enters a new era of 5 slash 05 for all players that wanted to be number 5 but didn't get to. Reggie Bush single-handedly changes the game of football.

 

[TK_Gamer]

Bush Bowl II

Sunday December 31st in the year of our Lord 2006
Houston, Texas.

at 3:11, Kris Brown shanks another late 4th quarter field goal and the Texans beat out the Cleveland Browns for the 2007 number one over all draft spot.

April 8th, after Easter celebrations the Fanzone is invaded by the 20,000 Catholics that insist Rick Smith is going to select Brady Quinn.

April 9th, the California Student Body Left counters with a 22,000 man rebuttal about how David Carr just needs to adjust to the new system, new lineman, and insist that Reggie Bush must be taken this time around so that he can finally reach his potential.

May 1st, the Texans pass over Bush twice for stand out DT Bob Womerjeik from Cottageville CC, South Carolina. GM Rick Smith press release states that it is obviously a football decision, "The guy is a monster and has good character... I mean he got 3 sacks in one game against Folly Beach U last season. I've never seen anything like it in my one year has GM in the NFL."

June 23rd, the Cleveland Browns gloating over their fortunes in getting the best player in football for the past 50 years, sell out their season tickets for the first time since Jim Brown played.

August 10th, Reggie Bush states that he will hold out until the 2008 draft because the NFL will still not allow him to wear number 5. Reggie's agents make sure that it is known that it breaks Reggie's heart not to be able to play in Cleveland. It's just business and the NFL started it.

April 27th, 2008 New York City: the Los Angeles Trojans select Reggie Bush as the first player to be taken in their newly awarded franchise. Bush being able to wear number 5 was part of the charter agreement. In fact, the number 5 is passed as a registered trademark in California legislature. Any team visiting L.A. with a player using the number 5 must be changed out or be fined 5,000 dollars for each day they are in the State with a number 5 on their roster.

Sep 14th, 2008 The NFL enters a new era of 5 slash 05 for all players that wanted to be number 5 but didn't get to. Reggie Bush single-handedly changes the game of football.

Wow, thats some serious issues

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Sport Illustrated just about this time must be feeling a little like maybe they should have left their cover to more appropriately be hung, not at the news stands but on the New Orleans Post Office walls. Hijacking, or should I say "Bushwacking" as I referred to it in the title of one of the original threads is exactly what is going on.

If the Saints fans wake up, they will see how he set all this up with the "charity" angle to gain support for his arrogant greed. Again I see the charitable donations write offs and business write offs for PR expenses as no out of pocket to him. With already $5 million dollars in endorsements in his pocket, in asking for a contract greater than or at least equal to Mario's, who will have actually paid for this "charity" to New Orleans?................that's right, the Saints' villainized Benson...........all in the Grand Plan of a selfish little BOY. Go ahead and take your toys and go home..............but take it to the bank, you will not take as much to the bank next year.........because no one will be taking you at #1 OR #2. With all the baggage that you will be carrying with you, and the fact that you will not be actively "hitting with the boys" in college OR the NFL for 1 whole year, and possibly RUSTING in front of the TV watching real football players while you figure how to spend your $5million.........you may find that you'll be lucky to be picked by #10 in 2007.
In the end you will have "screwed" a city and their excited fans........or maybe not..........maybe they will be better for it.

 

[Koolaid Time]

Just makes us taking Mario that much sweeter. Cannot believe the guy wants more money than Williams.

From Yahoo Sports:

No. 2 overall pick and Heisman Trophy-winning running back Reggie Bush not only appears headed for a holdout with the New Orleans Saints, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price.

"No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there."

It seems unlikely the Saints will do that in time for Bush to report to training camp with the team on Thursday in Jackson, Miss. Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent.


Go ahead Reggie..... stay out...

 

[Kaiser Toro]

If there is a football God, please do not let us take Brady Quinn or Reggie Bush.

 

[jerek]

If there is a football God, please do not let us take Brady Quinn or Reggie Bush.

Enough said. Can anybody read this and still want Reggie on our team? ... I don't want or need a soap opera for the next however many years he'd last here before we finally threw him out of town on his greedy ear. I was happy when we passed on Reggie the first time and now it looks like pure genius. He's being offered plenty enough (cough Latrell Sprewell cough) and he needs to stop reading his own press clippings and show and demonstrate that he wants to play football, and is in the NFL for something more than the exorbitant pay.

 

[TexanFan881]

Enough said. Can anybody read this and still want Reggie on our team? ... I don't want or need a soap opera for the next however many years he'd last here before we finally threw him out of town on his greedy ear. I was happy when we passed on Reggie the first time and now it looks like pure genius. He's being offered plenty enough (cough Latrell Sprewell cough) and he needs to stop reading his own press clippings and show and demonstrate that he wants to play football, and is in the NFL for something more than the exorbitant pay.

I can. We would've reached an agreement with Reggie before the draft and this wouldn't be a problem. But I do admit that he should not be so uncoeperative (sp?). Still, Reggie is going to be a better NFL player, and I'd still rather have him on our team.

 

[MorKnolle]

I can. We would've reached an agreement with Reggie before the draft and this wouldn't be a problem. But I do admit that he should not be so uncoeperative (sp?). Still, Reggie is going to be a better NFL player, and I'd still rather have him on our team.

This absolutely can't be certain at this point, especially given the fact that he will be a backup RB for a bad NFL team this year and will be behind everyone else in picking up the new offense as he holds out, assuming he even gets signed.

 

[jerek]

I can. We would've reached an agreement with Reggie before the draft and this wouldn't be a problem. But I do admit that he should not be so uncoeperative (sp?). Still, Reggie is going to be a better NFL player, and I'd still rather have him on our team.

Sure, we would have an agreement with Bush before we drafted him. And then he has a good year, or a decent year, or a whatever year, and thinks he should be renegotiated, or receive a bigger bonus, or touch the ball more. Or whatever. My point is, I don't know what the Saints have really offered him -- maybe they really are lowballing him -- but he is already entering this season with more endorsement money than any other NFL rookie and possibly soon to be NFL player. IIRC he has publicly stated that he "deserves to be paid #1 money" and there have been nonstop rumors that he wants more than Mario, when the NFL first round draft has for years been characterized by rookie pay according to draft slot. Him haggling over a few million when he's already in line to receive mid eight figures from NFL salary alone is IMO pure greed and indicative of a larger character issue that can and presumably will interfere with a cohesive locker room and winning.

No one's denying a player's right to pursue what he feels is fair value, but IMO he is asking for more than fair value at this point, and some of the things he and his representation have slipped to the media (or at least reported as saying) are crossing the line that separates individual interests from team chemistry.

 

[edo783]

I can. We would've reached an agreement with Reggie before the draft and this wouldn't be a problem.

That's the point. No we wouldn't have been reaching agreement based on how his team was acting, and then you wind up in the situation NO finds themselves in except then he is the number 1 pick and then would really jack up his demands. IMO, we dodged a real bullet when we didn't take him. Is he a talent, you bet he is. Has he got an overinflated sense of self...you better believe it. Who ever gets him had better be prepared for him having his hand out for more money everytime you turn around. I suspect that he is going to turn into a 3 ring circus as damaging as TO is.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Speculation is from pillar to post. But one thing's for sure, if greed is what most are thinking is driving this mess with Bush, then the greater potential for losses that may force him back to the table (if those few brain cells start functioning again) easily also smacks of the same.......ie., greed
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From PFT
POSTED 9:38 p.m. EDT, July 22, 2006

"AMATEUR HOUR" IN BUSH CAMP

Reaction from league insiders is pouring in to PFT world headquarters regarding Jason Cole's report that Saints tailback Reggie Bush is contemplating the possibility of sitting out the 2006 entire season and re-entering the draft, if he doesn't get an offer from the team to his liking.

And the reaction is not positive.

Said one league insider with experience negotiating high-level deals, "[It] sounds like amateur hour. If you are gonna hold out, you don't talk about it. You just do it."

Added the source: "It's not the best way to create leverage. If he goes back into the draft, is he guaranteed to be the first pick? If he can't [be the No. 1 overall pick] off a Heisman campaign, then he certainly isn't going to do it sitting out the year. Plus, the endorsement companies are really gonna love him if he doesn't play."

Endorsements are a key component of this equation. Although Cole's item on Yahoo! Sports notes that Bush already has pocketed $5 million in off-field money, a source with experience negotiating such contracts for NFL players says that the deals routinely require that the guy must, you know, play football in order to get and/or keep the money.

The move also entails high stakes -- and high costs -- for agent Joel Segal. "It would kill his recruiting," said the source who provided the "amateur hour" quote. "Wherever he goes people would ask him about it, and all parents would think, 'Why is he in my house when he should be working on Reggie's deal?'

"Plus, Segal wants to get paid," said the source. "If he waits a year he could get fired, and then he loses everything."

The source's prediction? "A holdout won't last more than five-to-ten days max, if at all."


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REGGIE HAS A MORTGAGE

Another fact that Team Bush needs to keep in mind if contemplating a season-long holdout, which could risk all of part of that $5 million in marketing money, is the impact of this maneuver on his ability to pay the rent.
link

 

[TexanFan881]

I think the Saints have more control in this than Reggie does. I think Reggie is smart enough to know that he could get no money and screw up his career if he doesn't work something out. He might be greedy but he's not stupid.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I think the Saints have more control in this than Reggie does. I think Reggie is smart enough to know that he could get no money and screw up his career if he doesn't work something out. He might be greedy but he's not stupid.

There had to be some element of "stupidity" involved not to have anticipated the resulting course of events.


Addendum from PFT:

POSTED 5:30 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 6:30 a.m. EDT, July 23, 2006

REGGIE PAID CASH FOR CONDO

A source with knowledge of the transaction involving Reggie Bush and the prior owner of a condo that was sold to Bush for $1.8 million tells us that Bush paid cash.

It's a riverfront property only blocks from the Superdome, and the condo is nearly 4,000 square feet in size. The monthly condo fees for the building are more than $2,500.

The property was listed at $2.2 million, and we're told that there are plenty of newer and less expensive condos being built in the area, so it likely will be difficult for Bush to get his money (and/or any appreciation) out of the property when the time comes to sell it.

Also, with $1.8 million in after-tax dollars of his $5 million in pre-tax endorsement money already gone, it could be that he can't afford to sit out the season as a negotiating tactic with the Saints.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

For those of you who in this case have called Benson (Saints owner) a "cheap skate," try to remember how badly he was "burned" with Ricky Williams. Ditka forced his hand in giving Willaims an 8-year contract potentially worth $68 million (remember this was in 1999 dollars)...........and having him trade all of his 1999 draft picks (and the 1st and 3rd picks in the 2000 draft.......9 picks in all) to get Williams, the first time one player was the only draft pick of an NFL team. All of this, just to move from the 12th pick of the 1999 draft to the 5th.
Bud definitely be referred to as "Cheap." Benson, at least in this case may better be characterized as "Gun-shy"..........or maybe even "Wise."

 

[Tulip]

For those of you who in this case have called Benson (Saints owner) a "cheap skate," try to remember how badly he was "burned" with Ricky Williams. Ditka forced his hand in giving Willaims an 8-year contract potentially worth $68 million (remember this was in 1999 dollars)...........and having him trade all of his 1999 draft picks (and the 1st and 3rd picks in the 2000 draft.......9 picks in all) to get Williams, the first time one player was the only draft pick of an NFL team. All of this, just to move from the 12th pick of the 1999 draft to the 5th.
Bud definitely be referred to as "Cheap." Benson, at least in this case may better be characterized as "Gun-shy"..........or maybe even "Wise."

If I remember correctly, the Ricky Williams contract was filled with impossible-to-reach incentives that made his then agent Master P reviled for getting his client one of the worst contracts in NFL history. He was a very attractive trade prospect, and Miami was happy to get a heck of a deal when they took over Ricky's cheap contract. I don't remember the Saints getting burned at all with that contract.

 

[NoBullTexan]

HOLDOUT: One that withholds agreement or consent upon which progress is contingent.

It is amazing how we, as fans, tend to rationalize what our teams have done, or in this case, not done.

The Saints fan would have us believe that Reggie Bush is not acting selfish. The fact is Reggie Bush has a disconcerting habit of acting like a choir boy in front of cameras, and for the press, but behind closed doors, he is acting like a problem child. Is it just his ego, or is it something deeper, something about New Orleans being a small market to begin with, trying to come back from a natural disaster, #2, and that Benson is a penny pincher? The fact is until Bush DOES sign, this will be on people's minds.

There was another reason the Texans took Mario over Reggie. Mario will play the full game; Reggie (with his matchstick legs) will only get 17-18 carries a game. And, since they have so much money invested in him, the Saints will not want him returning kicks.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

HOLDOUT: One that withholds agreement or consent upon which progress is contingent.

It is amazing how we, as fans, tend to rationalize what our teams have done, or in this case, not done.

The Saints fan would have us believe that Reggie Bush is not acting selfish. The fact is Reggie Bush has a disconcerting habit of acting like a choir boy in front of cameras, and for the press, but behind closed doors, he is acting like a problem child. Is it just his ego, or is it something deeper, something about New Orleans being a small market to begin with, trying to come back from a natural disaster, #2, and that Benson is a penny pincher? The fact is until Bush DOES sign, this will be on people's minds.

There was another reason the Texans took Mario over Reggie. Mario will play the full game; Reggie (with his matchstick legs) will only get 17-18 carries a game. And, since they have so much money invested in him, the Saints will not want him returning kicks.

And I'm also getting tired of his projecting of philanthropist. As discussed on ESPN Radio 790 yesterday, his major donations and police fleet of Hummers were incorporated into his endorsement deals. No problem taking credit.........Generous with others' money...........And by the way, there was a call in segment where most of the Saints fans were catching on to Bush's apparent generosity was probably planned organized by he and his agent strictly for leverage purposes from the beginning..........especially after there was so much emphasis by hs agent in interviews challenging anyone to name any other draftee that had ever donated to a city.......prior to getting his money. Hmmm, could that possibly hinted of things to come?

 

[Koolaid Time]

And I'm also getting tired of his projecting of philanthropist. As discussed on ESPN Radio 790 yesterday, his major donations and police fleet of Hummers were incorporated into his endorsement deals. No problem taking credit.........Generous with others' money...........And by the way, there was a call in segment where most of the Saints fans were catching on to Bush's apparent generosity was probably planned organized by he and his agent strictly for leverage purposes from the beginning..........especially after there was so much emphasis by hs agent in interviews challenging anyone to name any other draftee that had ever donated to a city.......prior to getting his money. Hmmm, could that possibly hinted of things to come?

Reggie should have "donated" a small fleet of boats. My wife is an engineer and she says in their present condition the New Orleans levees will be lucky if they can withstand a catagory 2 storm this year...

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Reggie should have "donated" a small fleet of boats. My wife is an engineer and she says in their present condition the New Orleans levees will be lucky if they can withstand a catagory 2 storm this year...

You all might want to read this article from the Times Picayune to better understand where the money has really come from and how well OCHESTRATED this whole donation thing has been. http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_wiretap_archives/2307/20060630/bush_does_charity_work_in_new_orleans_before_signing_contract/

 

[powerfuldragon]

If there is a football God, please do not let us take Brady Quinn or Reggie Bush.

agreed. We do NOT want another top five pick.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Reggie's decided not to sign with the Saints because he heard that a recent "unexpected vacancy" has become available with a high profile CFL team. Segal intends to structure his contract with "likely to be attained" lucrative incentives ...........including the team and its assets when he attains his 3,000 yard rushing season. Meanwhile, Reggie was measured for and has ordered a custom Stetson 10 gallon hat.......Ironically, it'll end up way way too tight for his 10 gallon head.........he evidently does not understanding that a 10 gallon hat doesn't mean 10 gallon displacement.

 

[zwz404]

I have to laugh at all you anti-Bushers.
V Young hasn't signed either.
And what about anything he has supposely done for charity?
I guess VY is Jesus Christ and Bush is Satan.

If you don't think Bush will be that good, you may be right. Only Time
will tell. Who knew Ryan Leaf would suck and Brady would be great?
But, I worry about a DE who didn't get any sacks against the
better ACC teams. And OFF holding in the NFL is joke. They might as
well drop the penality.

But, to compare Bush's character using a different yardstick than the one
used for VY just isn't fair.
When VY didn't win the Heisman, he was a poor loser.
When UT beat USC, Bush was a gracious loser.
And who is threating to tear us up when we meet later in the year?
I've been rooting for VY the last 3 years, but I was disappointed at
his immaturity.
And given the way VY throws, I hope he is starting when they come
to play here. It might be the 1st home game we win.

 

[Dime]

Reggie should have "donated" a small fleet of boats. My wife is an engineer and she says in their present condition the New Orleans levees will be lucky if they can withstand a catagory 2 storm this year...

I am a former meteorlogist and I can tell you two things about this.

First, New Orleans WAS NOT hit by a hurricane last year. In addition, New Orleans levies were not breached by storm sturge either. Fact, two barges broke away from thier morings and impacted the levies causing them to fail. Not the hurricane.

Secondly, New Orleans is built on a lake bed. It has been sinking approx 1 to 6 inches a year. The levies were built to the specifications to withstand winds to at max, a Cat 3 storm. The pumps, however, which pump out rain water out of New Orleans are projected to flood at a cat 3 storm. No pumps working, no water leaves the city.

We had predicted if a Cat 3 or greater storm hits New Orleans, then the levies would not have a chance. Lucky to date, New Orleans hasnt had a Cat 3 (or a Cat 1 for that matter) been hit head on. It will happen one day, but when it happens, it will only make things worse. Personally, I am nervous if it happens within the next few years. If it does, considerable thought might go into how viable it will be to rebuild a city with a ever growing worsening sitution.

 

[swtbound07]

I am a former meteorlogist and I can tell you two things about this.

First, New Orleans WAS NOT hit by a hurricane last year. In addition, New Orleans levies were not breached by storm sturge either. Fact, two barges broke away from thier morings and impacted the levies causing them to fail. Not the hurricane.

Secondly, New Orleans is built on a lake bed. It has been sinking approx 1 to 6 inches a year. The levies were built to the specifications to withstand winds to at max, a Cat 3 storm. The pumps, however, which pump out rain water out of New Orleans are projected to flood at a cat 3 storm. No pumps working, no water leaves the city.

We had predicted if a Cat 3 or greater storm hits New Orleans, then the levies would not have a chance. Lucky to date, New Orleans hasnt had a Cat 3 (or a Cat 1 for that matter) been hit head on. It will happen one day, but when it happens, it will only make things worse. Personally, I am nervous if it happens within the next few years. If it does, considerable thought might go into how viable it will be to rebuild a city with a ever growing worsening sitution.

WHAT???? I think you better go tell that to a lot of television stations, radio stations, newspapers, refugees, and rescue workers....because THIS part of america seems to be under the impression that new orleans was in fact hit by a hurricane.

 

[Dime]

WHAT???? I think you better go tell that to a lot of television stations, radio stations, newspapers, refugees, and rescue workers....because THIS part of america seems to be under the impression that new orleans was in fact hit by a hurricane.

No... it is just the excuse they are using to sell newspapers, etc. If JQ public knew that two companies whose barges broke loose caused all of this, those companies would be in ruin and the outrage would be even worse. No insurance company would be able to fend off the amounts seen in New Orleans. The media was the one who blamed it on Katrina. No one saw any reason to correct them. Oh, one other thing here. If this damage occurred due to less than Tropical Storm winds (which it did, it was well away from the eye wall, what would it be like being hit head on - political nightmare).

BTW.. if you get a chance to see the early helicopter footage of the levies failing, check out the footage of the barge that was setting inside the levy walls. Once it hit and broke the levies, one of the barges parked itself right beside the break point inside the wall.

For the record, the hurricane (category 3) turned east on approach to New Orleans and the eye wall landed well east of New Orleans. The wind speed registered under the maximum for the TS(in New Orleans), and the storm surge I believe was around the 10 foot range (if that seems like alot, it isnt.. alot of cat 3 storm surges go 20-30 or more ft.)

 

[Kaiser Toro]

When VY didn't win the Heisman, he was a poor loser.
When UT beat USC, Bush was a gracious loser.

So you are comparing an individual popularity contest to a champisonhisp game that is decided on the field? Seems fair and balanced.

My only question is do you want the best player on your team being gracious while they were not even on the field for the most important play of the year? I think not. Athletics does not build character, it reveals it.

 

[tulexan]

No... it is just the excuse they are using to sell newspapers, etc. If JQ public knew that two companies whose barges broke loose caused all of this, those companies would be in ruin and the outrage would be even worse. No insurance company would be able to fend off the amounts seen in New Orleans. The media was the one who blamed it on Katrina. No one saw any reason to correct them. Oh, one other thing here. If this damage occurred due to less than Tropical Storm winds (which it did, it was well away from the eye wall, what would it be like being hit head on - political nightmare).

BTW.. if you get a chance to see the early helicopter footage of the levies failing, check out the footage of the barge that was setting inside the levy walls. Once it hit and broke the levies, one of the barges parked itself right beside the break point inside the wall.

For the record, the hurricane (category 3) turned east on approach to New Orleans and the eye wall landed well east of New Orleans. The wind speed registered under the maximum for the TS(in New Orleans), and the storm surge I believe was around the 10 foot range (if that seems like alot, it isnt.. alot of cat 3 storm surges go 20-30 or more ft.)

I don't even know how to respond to this. The levees failed because the Army Corps of Engineers only drove the pilings of the levees about 20 or so feet deep, which was still loose sediment, when they should have been about 100 feet deep. Yes, there was a barge that was loose that caused a lot of damage, but one barge can't cause damage to an entire levee system.

 

[El Tejano]

I think this goes to show that Bush was just not wanting to sign when we wanted him to before the draft.

 

[tulexan]

I think this goes to show that Bush was just not wanting to sign when we wanted him to before the draft.

I disagree. I think he would have been signed by now if we drafted him. I think our problem with him were character related and that Kubiak and staff believed that Mario was a better fit for the Texans in the long run.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

I am a former meteorlogist and I can tell you two things about this.

First, New Orleans WAS NOT hit by a hurricane last year. In addition, New Orleans levies were not breached by storm sturge either. Fact, two barges broke away from thier morings and impacted the levies causing them to fail. Not the hurricane.

Secondly, New Orleans is built on a lake bed. It has been sinking approx 1 to 6 inches a year. The levies were built to the specifications to withstand winds to at max, a Cat 3 storm. The pumps, however, which pump out rain water out of New Orleans are projected to flood at a cat 3 storm. No pumps working, no water leaves the city.

We had predicted if a Cat 3 or greater storm hits New Orleans, then the levies would not have a chance. Lucky to date, New Orleans hasnt had a Cat 3 (or a Cat 1 for that matter) been hit head on. It will happen one day, but when it happens, it will only make things worse. Personally, I am nervous if it happens within the next few years. If it does, considerable thought might go into how viable it will be to rebuild a city with a ever growing worsening sitution.

A meteorologist who can't spell "levees" right?

The hurricane caused the levees to fail dude, you're dead wrong. I lived in southern Louisiana during the hurricane and was taking an Oceanography class at LSU and we studied the hurricane. Nice try though. New Orleans was destroyed by a HURRICANE with FLOODING caused by the hurricane. You sound like a moron saying that a hurricane didn't cause the damage in New Orleans.

 

[texan279]

Cold Pizza just reported that before the draft that New Orleans guaranteed Bush #1 pick money.

 

[powerfuldragon]

If JQ public knew that two companies whose barges broke loose caused all of this, those companies would be in ruin and the outrage would be even worse.

One of them must've been Halliburton. Amirite?

 

[cuppacoffee]

Not taking sides here. I was pro-Bush before the draft, but I thought I would share this line from everyones? favorite rumor site.

"Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis says that talks with RB Reggie Bush are "proceeding on a normal course." (So is the war in Iraq.)

The site does get in a few good 'digs' once in a while. They are really dogging the Bengals.

Rumor Mill

 

[tulexan]

So you're saying that less that T/S winds caused the roof of the SuperDome to fly off??? and all the wind damage to buildings??

No the barges caused the damage to the roof of the Superdome and 90 percent of the houses in SELA.

Haven't you been listening?

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

No the barges caused the damage to the roof of the Superdome and 90 percent of the houses in SELA.

Haven't you been listening?

Yeah I know my friends house in Slidell was affected by the barges, not the hurricane

 

[HOU-TEX]

I am a former meteorlogist and I can tell you two things about this.

First, New Orleans WAS NOT hit by a hurricane last year. In addition, New Orleans levies were not breached by storm sturge either. Fact, two barges broke away from thier morings and impacted the levies causing them to fail. Not the hurricane.

Secondly, New Orleans is built on a lake bed. It has been sinking approx 1 to 6 inches a year. The levies were built to the specifications to withstand winds to at max, a Cat 3 storm. The pumps, however, which pump out rain water out of New Orleans are projected to flood at a cat 3 storm. No pumps working, no water leaves the city.

We had predicted if a Cat 3 or greater storm hits New Orleans, then the levies would not have a chance. Lucky to date, New Orleans hasnt had a Cat 3 (or a Cat 1 for that matter) been hit head on. It will happen one day, but when it happens, it will only make things worse. Personally, I am nervous if it happens within the next few years. If it does, considerable thought might go into how viable it will be to rebuild a city with a ever growing worsening sitution.

Weren't the levees supposed to be upgraded years ago? With the Mayer of NO and the Gov of La.,I'm not surprised at all by what happened. They're morons! I like NOs alot but they ruined it. You didn't see Mississippi whining as much as La and they took the brunt of the storm. Idiotic state officials and an idiot for an NFL team owner. I feel sorry for SOME of the people of NO.:brickwall

 

[Bearfan Blue and Orange]

Reggie Bush may sit out for this season. He already has about $5 Million in endorsements already.

I am so glad Texans are not having to deal with that!!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...E5nYcB?slug=jc-bush072106&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[NoBullTexan]

I told you so!