Sage to the Vikings

[TexansSeminole]

Go for Garcia or draft a QB with the pick you get from the trade for Sage. A 3rd or 4th rounder like Nate Davis could be #3 behind Brink and let them battle for the backup position. We will have 3 quarterbacks on the roster most likely next year if we get rid of Sage.

 

[Specnatz]

Here's the complete list at least according to the link at the bottom:



http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

I don't see Simms on the list.

I am starting to get the feeling it's Rex Grossman.

That list is wrong and out of date.

 

[Big Poundcake]

Grossman would be good.

Plummer would be cool if we could talk him out of retirement.

I'm on record wanting Simms at QB.

VY is a possibility if Tenn. cuts him.

Garcia is a GAMER and tough as nails, but I think he wants to go somewhere where he can start.

 

[dalemurphy]

Grossman would be good.

Plummer would be cool if we could talk him out of retirement.

I'm on record wanting Simms at QB.

VY is a possibility if Tenn. cuts him.

Garcia is a GAMER and tough as nails, but I think he wants to go somewhere where he can start.

I don't think NFL players are as open-minded about homosexuality as most of the country has become- particularly when it involves their offensive coordinator and backup QB.

 

[bah007]

Grossman would be good.

Plummer would be cool if we could talk him out of retirement.

I'm on record wanting Simms at QB.

VY is a possibility if Tenn. cuts him.

Garcia is a GAMER and tough as nails, but I think he wants to go somewhere where he can start.

I actually don't like any of those options besides Garcia.

 

[Big Poundcake]

I don't think NFL players are as open-minded about homosexuality as most of the country has become- particularly when it involves their offensive coordinator and backup QB.

I don't want to even bring up what your talking about. Is it weird?YES. Simms has a wife and a kid though.


I also think Simms would be a good fit with our offense.

 

[Specnatz]

Grossman would be good.

Plummer would be cool if we could talk him out of retirement.

I'm on record wanting Simms at QB.

VY is a possibility if Tenn. cuts him.

Garcia is a GAMER and tough as nails, but I think he wants to go somewhere where he can start.

Do you have a BEVO poster above your bed on the wall and a mirror on the ceiling?

 

[GP]

I actually don't like any of those options besides Garcia.

I don't even like Jeff Garcia. I think he's erratic.

Draft one. Let him sit. Put in Brink or Nall if Schaub goes down. Then another year is done, and the draft pick can do what Brink did. Rinse. Repeat.

If Schaub is the future, then draft mid-round QBs as insurance.

 

[HoustonFrog]

But I would sign him in a second though.

Garcia said he doesn't have to be a starter. His problem is can he throw downfield...not really a fit..but I like him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3911129

"I do feel like I have football life in me,'' Garcia said. "I feel I can still contribute. I'm not sure what my role will be with another team. I'm not looking at it like I need to start and be the man ... Hopefully, I'll have some opportunities out there. I'm pretty sure there's going to be something out there for me

.

If people want to be realistic, they are going to find someone who can do as adequate a job as Sage but be better manging a game and get their 4th. A simple guy/ They aren't going to break the bank. That is why I keep saying Ramsey. Or Losman. Or Fitzpatrick. Orlosky may want to start. But it will be a fit to manage the games.

 

[TimeKiller]

Orlovsky may want to start. .

Start what? Paying attention to the boundary lines?

Garcia would be a good backup, even though he says he's alright with backing up you have to believe a guy with his type of competitive streak would be pressing for playing time.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Start what? Paying attention to the boundary lines?

Garcia would be a good backup, even though he says he's alright with backing up you have to believe a guy with his type of competitive streak would be pressing for playing time.

He is young and is not really a "vet" backup. He was in a crap situation in Detroit. Yes, he made some dumb moves but everything I've read says he wants to start or at least compete for a year instead of being Culpeppers backup.

 

[steelbtexan]

Fitzpatrick

He's a Harvard guy so you know he can learn the offense.

He has a strong arm & played fairly well for the Bengals considering the state of their OL.

 

[HOU-TEX]

We looked at Ramsey once, but can't remember if we offered anything. He ended up going to Denver, I think. If we liked him then I'd expect Ramsey to be the guy.

Is Griese still under contract? Personally, I'd rather have Brian than others being listed.

 

[TimeKiller]

He is young and is not really a "vet" backup. He was in a crap situation in Detroit. Yes, he made some dumb moves but everything I've read says he wants to start or at least compete for a year instead of being Culpeppers backup.

Everyone was in a crap situation in Detroit, that doesn't excuse him. Everyone was responsible for the worst team in history, including Orlovsky and his unbelievably low basic field awareness. He wants to start but he can't beat out CULPEPPER? No thanks man, our team is on the rise because Smith has improved competition/depth at most spots and this would certainly be a step down even from Rosencoptor.

Fitzpatrick

He's a Harvard guy so you know he can learn the offense.

He has a strong arm & played fairly well for the Bengals considering the state of their OL.

Isn't he kind of fast too? You know that gets points from Kubiak who loves rolling out...

 

[GP]

Fitzpatrick

He's a Harvard guy so you know he can learn the offense.

He has a strong arm & played fairly well for the Bengals considering the state of their OL.

Nerdier version of Sage.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Everyone was in a crap situation in Detroit, that doesn't excuse him. Everyone was responsible for the worst team in history, including Orlovsky and his unbelievably low basic field awareness. He wants to start but he can't beat out CULPEPPER? No thanks man, our team is on the rise because Smith has improved competition/depth at most spots and this would certainly be a step down even from Rosencoptor.


Isn't he kind of fast too? You know that gets points from Kubiak who loves rolling out...

We are on the same page, so no need to sell me here. I am not saying he deserves to start. I'm saying he is one of the FAs out there and that his name comes up but HE is saying he wants to start. It was only thrown out from the list.

 

[Mailman]

Fitzpatrick

He's a Harvard guy so you know he can learn the offense.

He has a strong arm & played fairly well for the Bengals considering the state of their OL.

This is my choice, too. He did okay last year on a horrible team and faced some tough defenses. I think he'd be a capable backup to Schaub.

 

[Sal Rosenberg]

Do you think Jeff Garcia would push or beat Matt for the starting job?

 

[HoustonFrog]

Do you think Jeff Garcia would push or beat Matt for the starting job?

No. Again, he is a fiery competitor and a good QB but in our system you have to be able to chuck it downfield and Garcia is a guy who is good throwing the West Coast short to medium throws but he has always had problems getting it deep.

 

[Goldensilence]

Do you think Jeff Garcia would push or beat Matt for the starting job?

I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.

What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

 

[bah007]

I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.

What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

Damon Huard all the way.

 

[Cjeremy635]

I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.
What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that competition makes you better. Do I want a controversy every week? No, why deal with that type of drama, but if the new QB is better in camp and has a better chemistry, why not start him. This may be a far off thought, and I'm probably going to get hammered for even bringing it up, but you guys need to remember how many of us were complaining in the Carr era that there was no competition for that spot. Now don't get confused, I'm not even comparing Carr to Shaub in the least sense, but I remember the belly aching going on about not having a reliable backup who wanted to be a starter and had the fire to push for the opportunity. That's what it's all about to me. Don't settle for mediocre because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.

What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

If the starter goes down there is nothing wrong with people being excited in the capabilities of a good back up.

Personally, I want us to go with someone we will feel at least as comfortable with as we did Sage.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.

What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

Very well said. Too much love for the backup equals your starter not doing something or not playing enough. You need a guy who is good enough to be a game manager and not lose games for you in the starters absence. That is what guys like Beurlein, Peete, Kosar and some others did for the Boys when Aikman went down. Vets who could play but manage games.

 

[InterestedJeff]

We looked at Ramsey once, but can't remember if we offered anything. He ended up going to Denver, I think. If we liked him then I'd expect Ramsey to be the guy.

Is Griese still under contract? Personally, I'd rather have Brian than others being listed.

I'm partial to Ramsey... he's my cousin so it'd be pretty sweet to have him here in town playing on my favorite team. He's pretty tight lipped right now and to be honest, has never let me in on inside dealings. He's a really smart guy with 2 degrees from Tulane. He's also got good size and strength for a NFL QB. His main problem is that his first 3 years in the league were under the infamous Steve Spurrier. Spurrier drafted him with the 31st pick in the same draft that Carr and Harrington were selected. That's not saying too much for that year's QB class. I think he would do an excellent job at filling in if Shaub gets hurt. I dont know if he'll ever be a true starting QB though.

 

[Wolf]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that competition makes you better. Do I want a controversy every week? No, why deal with that type of drama, but if the new QB is better in camp and has a better chemistry, why not start him. This may be a far off thought, and I'm probably going to get hammered for even bringing it up, but you guys need to remember how many of us were complaining in the Carr era that there was no competition for that spot. Now don't get confused, I'm not even comparing Carr to Shaub in the least sense, but I remember the belly aching going on about not having a reliable backup who wanted to be a starter and had the fire to push for the opportunity. That's what it's all about to me. Don't settle for mediocre because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

agreed. we saw what happened when we had a "starter" for 5 years and wasn't pushed

 

[Goldensilence]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that competition makes you better. Do I want a controversy every week? No, why deal with that type of drama, but if the new QB is better in camp and has a better chemistry, why not start him. This may be a far off thought, and I'm probably going to get hammered for even bringing it up, but you guys need to remember how many of us were complaining in the Carr era that there was no competition for that spot. Now don't get confused, I'm not even comparing Carr to Shaub in the least sense, but I remember the belly aching going on about not having a reliable backup who wanted to be a starter and had the fire to push for the opportunity. That's what it's all about to me. Don't settle for mediocre because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

Competition for most spots is good I think. But when you're the triggerman for an offense I think the psyche is much more different then any position. Fine line between letting the starter know you are ready to take the reigns and all out competition for the starter role. Too much and you have a starter getting scared every time he makes a mistake he's going to get yanked so maybe he doesn't take that risk on the downfield pass or a matchup that has a slight edge. On the backside of that you've got a backup who is willing to take big risks to show he is a capable playmaker on the field and forces passes he shouldn't.

Looking around the NFL the biggest thing holding some teams back is stability at the QB position. The only team last year that made the playoffs with lingering questions at QB is Tennessee but they also decided to go ahead and commit the team going through the season under Kerry. If you've got questions in the offseason and you've got two QBs that have starter potential then let them battle it out. Then you commit to one of them as the starter and go from there.

The thing that bothers me about the QB competition crowd and Schaub vs Sage this entire time has been the glossing over the level of commitment the organization has made to Schaub. It would've been one thing had Schaub been brought in as a FA QB to battle with Sage for the starting position. That wasn't he case obviously because of the trade for Matt. You don't make a trade like that unless you are convinced that he's capable of not only being your long term starter but also he has the tools to get the team into the playoffs. How bad does it look to your team, fanbase and owner if you make a trade like that, under those premises, and then say okay the QB is officially open for competition!

At least that's the logic in my mind.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Competition for most spots is good I think. But when you're the triggerman for an offense I think the psyche is much more different then any position. Fine line between letting the starter know you are ready to take the reigns and all out competition for the starter role. Too much and you have a starter getting scared every time he makes a mistake he's going to get yanked so maybe he doesn't take that risk on the downfield pass or a matchup that has a slight edge. On the backside of that you've got a backup who is willing to take big risks to show he is a capable playmaker on the field and forces passes he shouldn't.

Looking around the NFL the biggest thing holding some teams back is stability at the QB position. The only team last year that made the playoffs with lingering questions at QB is Tennessee but they also decided to go ahead and commit the team going through the season under Kerry. If you've got questions in the offseason and you've got two QBs that have starter potential then let them battle it out. Then you commit to one of them as the starter and go from there.

The thing that bothers me about the QB competition crowd and Schaub vs Sage this entire time has been the glossing over the level of commitment the organization has made to Schaub. It would've been one thing had Schaub been brought in as a FA QB to battle with Sage for the starting position. That wasn't he case obviously because of the trade for Matt. You don't make a trade like that unless you are convinced that he's capable of not only being your long term starter but also he has the tools to get the team into the playoffs. How bad does it look to your team, fanbase and owner if you make a trade like that, under those premises, and then say okay the QB is officially open for competition!

At least that's the logic in my mind.

Again, more good points. The last thing you want is your QB to make a bad move and then start looking over to the sidelines to see if the other guy is warming up. He has to be able to know he can take his chances and play aggressively without holding his collective breath.

Now, that isn't to say that consistent bad play or not learning from mistakes should be tolerated but 2-3 subpar games out of 16 in a season isn't a reason to chant the backups name.

 

[Polo]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that competition makes you better. Do I want a controversy every week? No, why deal with that type of drama, but if the new QB is better in camp and has a better chemistry, why not start him. This may be a far off thought, and I'm probably going to get hammered for even bringing it up, but you guys need to remember how many of us were complaining in the Carr era that there was no competition for that spot. Now don't get confused, I'm not even comparing Carr to Shaub in the least sense, but I remember the belly aching going on about not having a reliable backup who wanted to be a starter and had the fire to push for the opportunity. That's what it's all about to me. Don't settle for mediocre because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

Sage was given ample opprotunity to prove that he would have been a better solution than Schaub....

What evidence do we have that says Kubiak wouldn't hav eventually went with Sage had he shown he was clearly the better prospect ?

 

[Goldensilence]

If the starter goes down there is nothing wrong with people being excited in the capabilities of a good back up.

Personally, I want us to go with someone we will feel at least as comfortable with as we did Sage.

I understand the logic behind wanting a capable backup. That's a no brainer.

I guess I'll have to outright say I don't like he idea of getting excited about my backup because it makes me feel like once again there's going to be a club cheering for the backup. Bad as the Sage fan club was I'd hate to see a Jeff Garcia Fan club.

Sage was given ample opprotunity to prove that he would have been a better solution than Schaub....

What evidence do we have that says Kubiak wouldn't hav eventually went with Sage had he shown he was clearly the better prospect ?

Sage's only real opportunity to prove himself as starting material was before Matt Schaub trade was made. It is unfortunate his hand got broken or he could've ended the season over David Carr. He couldn't prove to be a long term solution to Kubiak so the trade for Schaub was made. After that Sage's only real opportunity to start was going to be step in as the starter and really set the league on fire. Barring that he never had a real shot at challenging for the spot. IMO.

 

[HOU-TEX]

It appears Sage is getting a head start meeting his new team.

Sage Rosenfels is in the Twin Cities Thursday afternoon in anticipation of being traded from the Texans to the Vikings.

The plan is to have Rosenfels sign a three-year, $9M contract and "compete" with Tarvaris Jackson, but we can't imagine a non-injury related scenario in which Rosenfels would lose. Houston is getting a fourth-round pick.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

 

[Buffi2]

Bless his little helicoptering heart - he wants to be a starting QB in the worst way. Best of luck, Sage.

 

[texanmojo]

Bless his little helicoptering heart

Epic...

 

[Specnatz]

Bless his little helicoptering heart - he wants to be a starting QB in the worst way. Best of luck, Sage.

 

[Txn_in_FL]

Bless his little helicoptering heart - he wants to be a starting QB in the worst way. Best of luck, Sage.

That's such a sweet way to put it. Rep for you since I'm in such a fantastic mood today.

 

[Mailman]

Good luck Sage!

May your 2009 season be a successful one that ends in Super Bowl loss to the Houston Texans.

 

[GP]

Bless his little helicoptering heart - he wants to be a starting QB in the worst way. Best of luck, Sage.

That first part of your post sorta' contradicts the last part of your post.

Put the man down, then say "best of luck, Sage..." So what if he wants to be a starter? And so what if a team wants to give him that shot? You make it sound like he's challenged or something.

Which is it? Heckling the guy on the way out, or a sincere "best of luck"?

I haven't cringed at any of your posts until now. What gives? That's not you.

 

[Hervoyel]

That first part of your post sorta' contradicts the last part of your post.

Put the man down, then say "best of luck, Sage..." So what if he wants to be a starter? And so what if a team wants to give him that shot? You make it sound like he's challenged or something.

Which is it? Heckling the guy on the way out, or a sincere "best of luck"?

I haven't cringed at any of your posts until now. What gives? That's not you.

I think you're taking it in a way that isn't there maybe.

This expression, I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[Joe Texan]

Later Sage and good luck

 

[Texecutioner]

That first part of your post sorta' contradicts the last part of your post.

Put the man down, then say "best of luck, Sage..." So what if he wants to be a starter? And so what if a team wants to give him that shot? You make it sound like he's challenged or something.

Which is it? Heckling the guy on the way out, or a sincere "best of luck"?

I haven't cringed at any of your posts until now. What gives? That's not you.

Kind of agree with you here.

Sage gets a lot of bashing when all he was, was a 2nd string QB. He played his well as he could play and really wanted to start here.

Good luck Sage. I hope you get the starting job in Minne and play well.

 

[TimeKiller]

Now we just need to find a guy named "Moron" who makes good decisions.

 

[Sal Rosenberg]

is this trade ever going to happen?I have been waiting a year.

 

[Porky]

Good riddance Rosencopter. May your brain be donated to science so future generations can learn from your stupidity.

 

[mattieuk]

is this trade ever going to happen?I have been waiting a year.

Maybe they'll wait to the start of the trading period, and do it then?

It would be interesting to see how the year would've gone with Sage being traded last year though...

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Shalom and Good Luck to you Sage. You did a good job backing up Carr and Rosenfels and I at least appreciate that you tried to make a play. It's sad that you will be remembered for Rosencopter and not for your play on the field. Hopefully you will succeed with the Vikings and it could be the perfect situation. Just bundle up for Chicago and Green Bay in the winter.

Hopefully Vikings fan won't expect him to come in and tear up the league but I think he could have a lot of success under Childress with their OL talent and their ability to run the ball consistently with Peterson and Taylor.

 

[mattieuk]

Kind of agree with you here.

Sage gets a lot of bashing when all he was, was a 2nd string QB. He played his well as he could play and really wanted to start here.

Good luck Sage. I hope you get the starting job in Minne and play well.

I think the problem lies there within. A lot of the Texans fans thought and hoped that he could be the starting QB, and was judged for a large part of his time as a potential starting QB, rather than the backup quarterback. This was a large part of his Houston downfall I think. If he had been seen as a backup QB, and acted as one, he would have never had run into the crap he did. Although, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Its in the past now, he tried his best, he didn't succeed, and I hope he gets the rub of the green in purple, and does well.

 

[Malloy]

Shalom and Good Luck to you Sage. You did a good job backing up Carr and Rosenfels and I at least appreciate that you tried to make a play.

huh, am I drinking too much these days or ?

 

[DiehardChris]

I wish him well. I was as pissed at him as anyone for Rosencopter, but he's still in the top three of NFL backup QBs. He handled his situation with class, and suffered through having to backup David Carr, for eff's sake.

I hope he does well. Hopefully he's never a passenger in Jared Allen's car, though.

 

[dalemurphy]

Shalom and Good Luck to you Sage. You did a good job backing up Carr and Rosenfels and I at least appreciate that you tried to make a play. It's sad that you will be remembered for Rosencopter and not for your play on the field. Hopefully you will succeed with the Vikings and it could be the perfect situation. Just bundle up for Chicago and Green Bay in the winter.

Hopefully Vikings fan won't expect him to come in and tear up the league but I think he could have a lot of success under Childress with their OL talent and their ability to run the ball consistently with Peterson and Taylor.

Ummm, I totally agree with what you said... Wow!

 

[Buffi2]

That first part of your post sorta' contradicts the last part of your post.

Put the man down, then say "best of luck, Sage..." So what if he wants to be a starter? And so what if a team wants to give him that shot? You make it sound like he's challenged or something.

Which is it? Heckling the guy on the way out, or a sincere "best of luck"?

I haven't cringed at any of your posts until now. What gives? That's not you.

Whoa there fellow Texan fan. I didn't intend to put him down but I can, now that I re-read it, see where it could sound that way. I just meant that if there was ever a QB who wanted to be a starter - Sage is the guy and he has waited so very long for a chance - bless his heart - the helicoptering just popped out but wasn't intended in a nasty way. For the record, I do wish him the best of luck and hope he gets his chance at long last.