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Sage to the Vikings

GlassHalfFull

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I heard this rumored at the chili cookoff yesterday. Now the Chronicle is reporting

The Texans and Minnesota are close to completing a trade that would send quarterback Sage Rosenfels to the Vikings for a draft choice.

The Texans had no comment on the report.

This is the second year in a row in which the Vikings have been interested in acquiring Rosenfels as their starting quarterback. Rosenfels, who won six games in the last two seasons when replacing the injured Matt Schaub, is approaching the last year of his contract.

The Vikings have Tarvaris Jackson and Gus Frerotte on their roster. Jackson is a former second-round pick and Frerotte is a 14-year veteran.

Rosenfels, who grew up in Iowa and played at Iowa State, was hoping to be traded to the Vikings last year. Media reports said Minnesota offered a third-round draft choice, but the Texans wanted a second-round pick. Both teams denied an offer was made. The reason Rosenfels wants to be traded to the Vikings is that he would have a chance to start for a team that has Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor at running back and as has led the NFL in run defense for the last two years.

The additional undisclosed draft choice would give the Texans eight selections in the draft on April 25-26.
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I'll bet they take a 3rd this year...Pat White or Stephen McGee are the two names that come up as a replacement in the draft for a backup QB.
 
I can't find anything on Weaver.

Can we back that up somewhere? Not being a jackass, just want to read it!
 
I like to think of myself as an educated, rational fan. I've been against this deal because I think it's important to have a quality backup QB that the team believes in.

In the end, though, like any fan, I get goosebumps when I hear the potential for additional draft picks. So, I'm kinda on board with it now, even though I think it's questionable logic.

I guess if we can get a 3rd plus maybe a conditional mid-late round pick in 2010 (depending on his performance this season), we can make some good out of it. I'm all for getting McGee in the 5th round. What FA Qb do we go after to replace sage?
 
Honestly, I like Sage. I know he's a career backup, and he had a complete meltdown in the Indy game, but I'd hate to see him go. Shaub seems to get hurt a lot, and we don't have anyone here that already knows our system to step in (do we?) without a hickup. If we trade him, we'd better pickup someone fast, IMHO. I'm probably just over reacting, it could work out for the better. We bring in someone else who picks up the system fast, shines during his time given, and pushes Matt for the QB 1 spot. That would be a good scenario in my book.
 
We still need a veteran backup who will understand he'll be the #2. I also believe if we lose Sage, we'll go 4th to 5th round on our future backup...Pat White/Steven McGee?:fans:
 
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dalemurphy said:
I like to think of myself as an educated, rational fan. I've been against this deal because I think it's important to have a quality backup QB that the team believes in.

In the end, though, like any fan, I get goosebumps when I hear the potential for additional draft picks. So, I'm kinda on board with it now, even though I think it's questionable logic.

I guess if we can get a 3rd plus maybe a conditional mid-late round pick in 2010 (depending on his performance this season), we can make some good out of it. I'm all for getting McGee in the 5th round. What FA Qb do we go after to replace sage?
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I agree. We need a capable backup so I would only trade him for at least a 3rd round pick. White has looked great at the combine so far so I could see us taking him.

If we were to go after any FA QB to replace Sage I would want it to be Jeff Garcia, but from what I hear he still wants to be a starter.
 
I was for the trade last year (3rd rounder). Have Quinn Gray as your back up to lose those games Schaub missed. Now this season, I felt like Sage's value probably dropped too significantly to warrant a trade... that he'd probably have more value as our backup.

I love this time of year. Sage is great guy so I hope we can get something decent for him and he can be successful up in Minnesota!
 
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Glad Kubiak and Smith learned that Sage was not the answer as either a starter or back-up. I'll take a 4th for him, which I hope it is(or more).
 
That's all fine and dandy if we can get a 3rd rd pick or so..... but we've got no one as a backup behind Matt. Any ideas on a FA who would come here to back him up????? I certainly wouldn't put all my eggs in a basket on a draft choice for this year....
 
GlassHalfFull said:
I was thinking 4th. I would say his value went down this season.
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You could argue his value went down, but also Minnesota's need went up after they had to go with Gus Frerrote most of last season.

I'm thinking we get a 3rd in '09 and something between a 4th-7th in 2010 as a conditional pick based on how many starts he has.
 
I love me some Pat White. Cat is small but he's got game.

I would like to know what they really think of Alex Brink.
 
Roc Hoover said:
I love me some Pat White. Cat is small but he's got game.
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If White can make it as a pro QB, it would be in the Texan system- where he can maximize his running ability on bootlegs and get to the edges so he can see downfield. He could certainly succeed as a backup. However, Mayock suggested he'd pick White in the 2nd round. I don't really want to take a backup QB that high if I can help it.
 
Roc Hoover said:
I love me some Pat White. Cat is small but he's got game.
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He can definitely be had in the 5th or 6th round. I'm hoping for Rhett Bomar in the 4th, or maybe even Nate Davis with our 3rd. I doubt they'll going to be our back-up right away, so I wonder who Kubiak has in mind for next year's back-up... The return of Nall, or the rise of Boyd/Brink?
 
Well, I guess my answer was in the OP's link:

The Texans will be in the market for another veteran quarterback. Alex Brink was a seventh-round pick last year who spent the season on the practice squad. When Schaub was injured, the Texans signed Craig Nall for the remainder of the season.
 
More picks to package. It just seems funny that this comes immediately after the combine. Kubiak and Smith may covet 1 particular player they saw at the combine that they feel will not be there at 15. Add to this the cutting of Anthony Weaver.
 
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bckey said:
More picks to package. It just seems funny that this comes immediately after the combine. Kubiak and Smith may covet 1 particular player they saw at the combine that they feel will not be there at 15.
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Good ol' threetoed may be getting his wish! o...rak....poooo
 
BREAKING EFFIN' NEWS!

ROSENFELS-TO-VIKES COMING TO FRUITION?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 1:11 p.m.

Last year, the Minnesota Vikings nearly swung a deal for Texans backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels.

As rumors/reports had it, the Texans wanted a second-round pick, and the Vikes were willing to part only with a third-rounder.

This time around, the deal reportedly is close to happening, for a fourth-round selection.

The move would likely take the Vikings out of the running for a veteran quarterback in free agency, and it definitely would slam the door on speculation linking Matt Cassel to the men in purple.

Rosenfels is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $1.35 million.

Any deal could not be finalized until the start of the new league year, on Friday, February 27.
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http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

I was right on the mark :cool:.

I'm still surprise there's people out there who still think he's worth even a 5th. My God, we made out like bandits. Someone call 911, Rick Smith is a wanted man!

EDIT: This was the same thing as the chron story. I'm a phony.
 
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The local MN sportsradio show is on board. You can listen live if you want. I am hoping for a 3rd, but I doubt we'll get that. Lord, Schaub better stay or we'll be talking about a new HC and GM next year.

http://www.kfan.com/main.html
 
If I were the Texans, I would trade Rosenfels for a 4th or 5th round pick in the 2010 draft with escalators that could make the pick as high as a 2nd round choice. Performance, game starts, etc
 
drewmar74 said:
I can't find anything on Weaver.

Can we back that up somewhere? Not being a jackass, just want to read it!
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I can't find anything to back up the Weaver statement either. Heard it on the radio and was hoping someone might know more.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Vince Young has been recently seen in Houston. :stirpot:
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I know you jest, but a Vince Young type, notice I said type, QB would do very well as a back up in this offense. Our Oline will be better as will our running game if a power runner is added. Add a QB like Vince or Vick (no I don't want him) who offers a possible throw and with good abilities if he takes off would eat us some yards. I think Schaub will have an excellent year and be able to remain on field.

If we got a 3rd for Sage, I'll do the chicken dance and start planning who might be available.
 
Just FYI: Minn has the 22nd selection, so it'll be a low end 4th, unless they have another 4th I don't know about. Quite a drop-off from a mid-3rd rounder. Oh well.
 
Hmm..which has greater impact? Moving Weaver indicates a DE will be coming in and most assume it will be in 1st or 2nd in draft but just what if it will be Julius Peppers? Rumor had him agreeing to 3 nfc and 1 afc teams.
 
J-Russ said:
Just FYI: Minn has the 22nd selection, so it'll be a low end 4th, unless they have another 4th I don't know about. Quite a drop-off from a mid-3rd rounder. Oh well.
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It has to be more than a 4th... Perhaps it's only a 4th this year but also a conditional pick in 2010. I will be upset if we give up Rosenfel for just a 4th... unless we make a really nice QB signing this weekend:

Garcia
fitzpatrick
Losman
Ramsey?

that's about all I can find- I know I don't want to see Kyle Boller here!
 
Maybe they are trading for a 4th to protect themselves in case the NFL strips them of their own 4th round pick, due to the illegal contract drills.
 
badboy said:
Hmm..which has greater impact? Moving Weaver indicates a DE will be coming in and most assume it will be in 1st or 2nd in draft but just what if it will be Julius Peppers? Rumor had him agreeing to 3 nfc and 1 afc teams.
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The Panthers slapped the tag on Peppers. Keep looking.
 
dalemurphy said:
It has to be more than a 4th... Perhaps it's only a 4th this year but also a conditional pick in 2010. I will be upset if we give up Rosenfel for just a 4th... unless we make a really nice QB signing this weekend:

Garcia
fitzpatrick
Losman
Ramsey?

that's about all I can find- I know I don't want to see Kyle Boller here!
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What are the thoughts concerning San Francisco's QBs? Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, J.T. O'Sullivan. Any chance one of them gets released?
 
TEXANS84 said:
If I can't find anything on Weaver being cut, I may change the title to this thread.
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You gonna change it back when it does happen then?

Also, I was hoping to get someone who might know more to validate the statement and what was said on the radio earlier.
 
I don't understand why they would cut Weaver. Yes I know he's his pass rushing, is more of a lack therefore of type deal; but cutting him would generate a bigger cap hit then keeping him. And after tagging Dunta, the team will need all of the cap roomit can get to sign a good FA DE.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I don't understand why they would cut Weaver. Yes I know he's his pass rushing, is more of a lack therefore of type deal; but cutting him would generate a bigger cap hit then keeping him. And after tagging Dunta, the team will need all of the cap roomit can get to sign a good FA DE.
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Thats not true.

Weaver's cap hit this season is 6.2 million dollars
The penalty we would receive for cutting him is 5.4 million dollars (2.7 million for 2009 and 2010).
Therefore we would save $800,000 in cap space by cutting Weaver

Whether we could sign a DE who could contribute as much as Weaver for $800,000 is an argument thats valid, but we would technically save $800,000 off the cap by cutting him
 
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