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Sage is our man

Nobody is complaining...How can you be so one sided, that we allow, and encourage debate about other starters on the team, but no one can talk about Carr...get.....outta....town
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Why is QB off limits but we can talk about all the other postion battles...get....outta....town....
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I didn't realize there was a "position battle" at the QB spot. Sage and Carr have put up identical numbers except for the one TD pass that Sage threw. Carr has done it against 1st team defenses, Sage against second and third team guys. Look at what Kubiak has done since coming in, do you honestly think if he thought Sage was the better QB that Carr would still be starting? Kubiak wants to win, he doesn't care what your name is or how much you make, ask Gary Walker, Todd Wade, etc. The only place there is a position battle at the QB spot is on these boards. And I never said it was "off limits", UI said there "was no QB controversy except here".
 
texan279 said:
Why do some get so touchy about this subject? There is no QB controversy, only a few here that like to stir the pot to make it seem like there is one. It's still the preseason, we are winning games as a team, and we have seen vast improvement in several areas. We should all be celebrating. :chicken:
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Sadly, it's because we have some former high school debate team members on the board, trying to relive their 'Glory Days'. Funny... I didn't think many Debate Members liked football? I thought they were more into Chess...

:hides:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Nobody is complaining...How can you be so one sided, that we allow, and encourage debate about other starters on the team, but no one can talk about Carr...get.....outta....town
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Because the other guys are involved in actual competition for starting jobs. And no one ever said Carr could not be talked about, if that was the case there wouldn't be two 20 page threads on the subject.
 
Shouldn't we be excited at the fact that Sage is doing a good job, and that it's comforting to know that the Texans have a competent back-up QB? This is all I'm seeing. DC will be fine once the season starts. The team needs to get better at having a faster start. It's good they are getting better as the game comes along, but they need to start throwing that first punch. JM:twocents:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Nobody is complaining...How can you be so one sided, that we allow, and encourage debate about other starters on the team, but no one can talk about Carr...get.....outta....town
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I wouldn't say no one can talk about Carr. Especially when almost every thread on this board ends up in discussion over him. It's probably just me, but I'm sick of talking/hearing about Carr. Until the coach decides otherwise, Carr's the man.:twocents:

edit: now that I think about it, I shouldn't have gotten involved. Sorry guys
 
texan279 said:
Because the other guys are involved in actual competition for starting jobs. And no one ever said Carr could not be talked about, if that was the case there wouldn't be two 20 page threads on the subject.
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bigTEXan8 said:
Shouldn't we be excited at the fact that Sage is doing a good job, and that it's comforting to know that the Texans have a competent back-up QB? This is all I'm seeing. DC will be fine once the season starts. The team needs to get better at having a faster start. It's good they are getting better as the game comes along, but they need to start throwing that first punch. JM:twocents:
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HOU-TEX said:
I wouldn't say no one can talk about Carr. Especially when almost every thread on this board ends up in discussion over him. It's probably just me, but I'm sick of talking/hearing about Carr. Until the coach decides otherwise, Carr's the man.:twocents:

edit: now that I think about it, I shouldn't have gotten involved. Sorry guys
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o.k...:ok:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
o.k...:ok:
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Do you have a quote or some inside info about a battle for our starting QB spot? I am guessing not since your only response was "OK". There sure are a lot of articles about competition for starting jobs on the defensive and offensive lines but I have yet to read one about a battle for the #1 QB spot.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
1) Carr has never had competition.
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WRONG! Kent Graham, Tony Banks, Sage Rosenfels, Dave Ragone.
xtruroyaltyx said:
2) Carr is not a rookie
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Yes, ok. What is your point? Neither was Jake Plummer before he saw Denvers offense, and it still took him a few years to grasp that.
xtruroyaltyx said:
3) Consistent in what ? Losing ? thats all we've been consistent in doing
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The only thing this organization has been consistant in is being inconsistant. Every year our offense has gone through some enormous changes and this year we get a new head coach and new philosophy, and new scheme, new players and new blocking scheme and Carr is supposed to be a superstar with all of this in 2 preseason games?? ya ok.
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4) and it's not just the pre-season, it's his whole tenure in the leauge thats being added into it
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Sage has a whole tenure of 6 years in the league and yet you are giving him a new slate, why not Carr. Interesting.

xtruroyaltyx said:
No one is saying that Carr doesn't deserve his shot, and I understand the whole QB of the future thing, but it's JMO that the best QB should play, and right now there are questions about that...
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The only thing that there is no questio about is that Sage is doing well against 2nd teams and that Carr is doing mediocre with the 1st. That is just a fact.
 
SESupergenius said:
WRONG! Kent Graham, Tony Banks, Sage Rosenfels, Dave Ragone.
Yes, ok. What is your point? Neither was Jake Plummer before he saw Denvers offense, and it still took him a few years to grasp that.
The only thing this organization has been consistant in is being inconsistant. Every year our offense has gone through some enormous changes and this year we get a new head coach and new philosophy, and new scheme, new players and new blocking scheme and Carr is supposed to be a superstar with all of this in 2 preseason games?? ya ok.
Sage has a whole tenure of 6 years in the league and yet you are giving him a new slate, why not Carr. Interesting.


The only thing that there is no questio about is that Sage is doing well against 2nd teams and that Carr is doing mediocre with the 1st. That is just a fact.
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O.K....:ok:
 
texan279 said:
If that is your only response than there is really nothing to your argument here.
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My response is to be truely positve, not negative, read some of my previous threads, it's about the team not David or Sage, just be happy we have some decent QB's, unlike some other teams the Raiders, Browns etc......like I said we all have one thing in common, that is we love our Texans, and our the greatest fans, pray for our players and staff that they stay healthy in our quest for the playoffs someday, merely that, I could care less who throws the pigskin down the feild to A.J. or Moulds
 
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS said:
My response is to be truely positve, not negative, read some of my previous threads, it's about the team not David or Sage, just be happy we have some decent QB's, unlike some other teams the Raiders, Browns etc......like I said we all have one thing in common, that is we love our Texans, and our the greatest fans, pray for our players and staff that they stay healthy in our quest for the playoffs someday, merely that, I could care less who throws the pigskin down the feild to A.J. or Moulds
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I am not sure if you misinderstood my post, but I am on your side. I was replying to tru who just kept saying "OK" in response to everything.
 
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS said:
My response is to be truely positve, not negative...
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"To every action there is an equal but opposite reaction." Newton's 3rd law of motion played out in the houstontexans.com BullPen.

I wonder what Sage thinks about all this? I wonder if any of the members of the H-town media have the guts to ask him?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
1) Carr has never had competition
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Kubiak has said Sage is here to compete several times. Prior to this year neither the other QB's or the coaches seemed capable or willing to push or coach Carr, but there is competition under Kubiak.

Strikes me the folks who keep saying there is no competition (not controversy, but competition) are predominately those who just don't like the result so far. Not you specifically but predominately, ex. swt who will never be happy with any result other than a different QB, any QB starting.
 
thunderkyss said:
c'mon...... I agree he isn't talking about Carr alone, but it all starts with David... after the ball is snapped, he is the one with the ball... he's the one that has to do something with it."

I also offered: Ever think that just maybe Kubiak was referring to defenders being out of position, receivers running the wrong routes, linemen missing key blocks, uhhh...noooooo."

"After the ball is snapped"...:hmmm:... David does not play defense, David does not run the wrong routes, and David does not miss key blocks.

"He has to do something with it." Missed blocks means he eats the ball, or throws it away, wrong routes mean incompletions or worse.. interceptions. My point? It ain't always the QBs fault just because he receives the snap.

"Surely he isn't talking about Carr alone, but Kubiak hasn't put Carr above the rest of the team the way Capers did. When he says they screwed up, he means everybody on the field."

Agreement at last. So if the receiver runs the wrong route I suppose we have a receiver controversy. While we are on this subject, is A. Johnson the most overrated receiver in the NFL?

"If the Coach thinks the #2 guy should be starting, then the #2 guy starts....... unless the owner is JerryJones, or Dan Snyder......... There is no controversy, because the #2 guy is starting.

It is a controversy when the fans want the #2 guy to start, and the coach won't budge."

So the controversy is in a few posters minds?

Not in mine, so there is no controversy as far as I am concerned.

:coffee:
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infantrycak said:
Kubiak has said Sage is here to compete several times. Prior to this year neither the other QB's or the coaches seemed capable or willing to push or coach Carr, but there is competition under Kubiak.

Strikes me the folks who keep saying there is no competition (not controversy, but competition) are predominately those who just don't like the result so far. Not you specifically but predominately, ex. swt who will never be happy with any result other than a different QB, any QB starting.
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I meant that he hadn't really had competition in previous years...But my whole thing is just getting the best players on the field...and I think that's where a lot of people get confused because I'm not at the end of the spectrum where SWT is...
 
infantrycak said:
Kubiak has said Sage is here to compete several times. Prior to this year neither the other QB's or the coaches seemed capable or willing to push or coach Carr, but there is competition under Kubiak.

Strikes me the folks who keep saying there is no competition (not controversy, but competition) are predominately those who just don't like the result so far. Not you specifically but predominately, ex. swt who will never be happy with any result other than a different QB, any QB starting.
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:ok:

do you think there is a slight chance that Sage will start over Carr?? Do you think Sage can "win" the spot from Carr??

I honestly don't think he had a chance.

But I'm fine with that..... Kubiak thinks Carr is our guy.... then Carr is our guy. Backups don't earn time in Practice, or preseason..... they play, if the first guy can't. That's just the way it is. I'm not hoping Carr gets hurt or anything(I'm not like that) but...... if Sage is put in a situation where he has to produce for us...... I'm not worried...... week one, week six, week 13.... whatever.

I also know that in those situations, if Sage outperforms Carr (in the games Carr plays)... if Sage moves the ball...... if Sage leads us to scores..... if we win games, when Sage plays, and don't win games when David plays, David will get the start regardless when he is ready to play again.

I know...... I have nothing to back that up..... no link... no inside information... nothing whatsoever. But that's the feeling I get.
 
thunderkyss said:
:ok:

do you think there is a slight chance that Sage will start over Carr?? Do you think Sage can "win" the spot from Carr??

I honestly don't think he had a chance.

But I'm fine with that..... Kubiak thinks Carr is our guy.... then Carr is our guy. Backups don't earn time in Practice, or preseason..... they play, if the first guy can't. That's just the way it is. I'm not hoping Carr gets hurt or anything(I'm not like that) but...... if Sage is put in a situation where he has to produce for us...... I'm not worried...... week one, week six, week 13.... whatever.

I also know that in those situations, if Sage outperforms Carr (in the games Carr plays)... if Sage moves the ball...... if Sage leads us to scores..... if we win games, when Sage plays, and don't win games when David plays, David will get the start regardless when he is ready to play again.

I know...... I have nothing to back that up..... no link... no inside information... nothing whatsoever. But that's the feeling I get.
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Well that would contradict everything Kubiak has done, said, and been about since he became head coach...Maybe if we were talking about a Culpepper, McNabb, Manning, Palmer, Vick, or even Brees...But Carr has never been on the level of any of those QB's...So why would he automatically get his job back; especially if he was out preformed....
 
thunderkyss said:
:ok:

do you think there is a slight chance that Sage will start over Carr?? Do you think Sage can "win" the spot from Carr??

I honestly don't think he had a chance.
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Are you asking if Sage has the talent to take the spot or if Kubiak would ever let it happen? If it is the latter then absolutely. I think he will be much more patient than the knee jerk fans around here because he was a QB, QB coach and OC for years and knows changing bad habits, bad coaching and installing a new O doesn't happen over night and real game time experience is critical to having it gel for the QB. That said, if he comes to a point where he believes Carr isn't responding to what he is saying and therefore is not improving on a level of play he finds unacceptable I absolutely believe his 1st priority is making this team win and he will start Sage or find someone else if he thinks it gives the team a better chance of winning.
 
Based on what I saw Saturday, I am very worried about Carr. He is out of excuses. The Rams made him look like a Jr High QB the first two series. Then the Rams started pulling starters, and all the sudden he looked competent. You don't think the Eagles won't be looking at this film? When Sage came in, he looked like a pro when the blitz came, he delivered it to the right person, and burned the D. Carr has been unable to do this throughout his tenure. This isn't new. Now, he has the weapsons, yet still seems to have the same problems. He looks flustered, throws into double and triple coverage, holds the ball too long and/or panic runs, or simply dumps it off to the nearest safety valve. Rarely does he look deep. I am willing to hang in for a few weeks into the season, but at some point, he has to start deleivering on some of that potential. And, yes, Kubes made it perfectly clear he was talking about Carr when he spoke of missed opportunities. Some of this Carr homerism just starts to become silly.
 
cuppacoffee said:
I also offered: Ever think that just maybe Kubiak was referring to defenders being out of position, receivers running the wrong routes, linemen missing key blocks, uhhh...noooooo."
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I agree with you 100%..... I didn't mention defense, because the incident we are talking about was in reference to an offensive series..... at least that was the way I understood it.... I could be wrong, but it doesn't really matter.... I still agree with you
cuppacoffee said:
"After the ball is snapped"...:hmmm:... David does not play defense, David does not run the wrong routes, and David does not miss key blocks.
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Ok....
cuppacoffee said:
"He has to do something with it." Missed blocks means he eats the ball, or throws it away, wrong routes mean incompletions or worse.. interceptions. My point? It ain't always the QBs fault just because he receives the snap.
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you know it must suck being David Carr. He's got to be the only QB in the NFL that has reciever's missing routes, and blockers missing blocks, because every other franchise QB doesn't struggle with this.
cuppacoffee said:
by thunderkyss
"Surely he isn't talking about Carr alone, but Kubiak hasn't put Carr above the rest of the team the way Capers did. When he says they screwed up, he means everybody on the field."
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Agreement at last.
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I've been agreeing with you for a long time......
cuppacoffee said:
So if the receiver runs the wrong route I suppose we have a receiver controversy. While we are on this subject, is A. Johnson the most overrated receiver in the NFL?
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Why not..... who do you want to start?? Lewis?? I'm with you...... you start the thread, and I'll back you up.
cupocoffee said:
thundersmartestguyinthewholeworld said:

"If the Coach thinks the #2 guy should be starting, then the #2 guy starts....... unless the owner is JerryJones, or Dan Snyder......... There is no controversy, because the #2 guy is starting.

It is a controversy when the fans want the #2 guy to start, and the coach won't budge."
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So the controversy is in a few posters minds?

Not in mine, so there is no controversy as far as I am concerned.

:coffee:
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no... it is a controversy if you have fans who wants the #2 QB to start. We have fans who want the #2 QB to start...... I don't know if we have enough fans to constitute a QB controversy..... I guess we'll have to let McClain & ESPN decide.

again........ I don't want Sage to start...... & I don't think we have a QB controversy.

hit me up when you start the Reciever controversy thread..... sounds like fun.
 
Porky said:
Based on what I saw Saturday, I am very worried about Carr. He is out of excuses. The Rams made him look like a Jr High QB the first two series. Then the Rams started pulling starters, and all the sudden he looked competent. You don't think the Eagles won't be looking at this film? When Sage came in, he looked like a pro when the blitz came, he delivered it to the right person, and burned the D. Carr has been unable to do this throughout his tenure. This isn't new. Now, he has the weapsons, yet still seems to have the same problems. He looks flustered, throws into double and triple coverage, holds the ball too long and/or panic runs, or simply dumps it off to the nearest safety valve. Rarely does he look deep. I am willing to hang in for a few weeks into the season, but at some point, he has to start deleivering on some of that potential. And, yes, Kubes made it perfectly clear he was talking about Carr when he spoke of missed opportunities. Some of this Carr homerism just starts to become silly.
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Wow...I didn't know people could be rational...:hides:
 
thunderkyss said:
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hit me up when you start the Reciever controversy thread..... sounds like fun.
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I started a thread a while back about Andre not really being our number one reciever and even made a poll about whether or not Moulds should be the guy...No one wanted to discuss that...I will talk about any player that isn't performing to what I percieve to be the best of their ability...
 
thunderkyss said:
:ok:

do you think there is a slight chance that Sage will start over Carr?? Do you think Sage can "win" the spot from Carr??

I honestly don't think he had a chance.

But I'm fine with that..... Kubiak thinks Carr is our guy.... then Carr is our guy. Backups don't earn time in Practice, or preseason..... they play, if the first guy can't. That's just the way it is. I'm not hoping Carr gets hurt or anything(I'm not like that) but...... if Sage is put in a situation where he has to produce for us...... I'm not worried...... week one, week six, week 13.... whatever.

I also know that in those situations, if Sage outperforms Carr (in the games Carr plays)... if Sage moves the ball...... if Sage leads us to scores..... if we win games, when Sage plays, and don't win games when David plays, David will get the start regardless when he is ready to play again.

I know...... I have nothing to back that up..... no link... no inside information... nothing whatsoever. But that's the feeling I get.
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Rex Grossman getting the start over Kyle Orton when he came back is a good example of this sort of thing.
 
infantrycak said:
Are you asking if Sage has the talent to take the spot or if Kubiak would ever let it happen? If it is the latter then absolutely. I think he will be much more patient than the knee jerk fans around here because he was a QB, QB coach and OC for years and knows changing bad habits, bad coaching and installing a new O doesn't happen over night and real game time experience is critical to having it gel for the QB. That said, if he comes to a point where he believes Carr isn't responding to what he is saying and therefore is not improving on a level of play he finds unacceptable I absolutely believe his 1st priority is making this team win and he will start Sage or find someone else if he thinks it gives the team a better chance of winning.
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Ok, that's pretty much the way I see it... Kubiak is looking at the big picture, and looking further down the road than most of the fans... it doesn't matter that Sage plays better, or gives us a better chance to win(I'm not saying that he does.... I'm just saying it doesn't matter)....... As long as Kubiak is seeing Carr progress, and doing the things he asks.... then it's Carr's job to lose.

I also believe Kubiak thinks Sage has the talent to get us to a Superbowl, but he believes David has more upside....
 
jdog said:
Rex Grossman getting the start over Kyle Orton when he came back is a good example of this sort of thing.
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No it's not...Orton didn't do ANYTHING besides be out there to fill a spot....His play was putrid...We are talking about a capable back-up...Orton is now third on the depth chart....How about Tom Brady and Drew Bledsoe....Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger...
 
jdog said:
Rex Grossman getting the start over Kyle Orton when he came back is a good example of this sort of thing.
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It would be if Orton had demonstrated anything more than just not playing so badly they lost--124 ypg, 51.8% comp., 9 TD's, 13 INT's, 59.7 QB rating.
 
Hey, you guys are the ones suggesting Rosenfels should start. I would say you have anti-Carr blindness if you really think Rosenfels would be more than a Kyle Orton as a starter.
 
thunderkyss said:
Ok, that's pretty much the way I see it... Kubiak is looking at the big picture, and looking further down the road than most of the fans... it doesn't matter that Sage plays better, or gives us a better chance to win(I'm not saying that he does.... I'm just saying it doesn't matter)....... As long as Kubiak is seeing Carr progress, and doing the things he asks.... then it's Carr's job to lose.

I also believe Kubiak thinks Sage has the talent to get us to a Superbowl, but he believes David has more upside....
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Now thats something I can understand....And I haven't been asking for Sage to start...All I said is give him reps in pre-season with the first team, and people act like i asked for their first born...But I understand that point of view, and you are correct...But I say Carr has untill about the 3rd or 4th if we aren't playing well...If we are playing well and winning, he will stay put even if he plays mediocre to borderline poor...
 
jdog said:
Hey, you guys are the ones suggesting Rosenfels should start. I would say you have anti-Carr blindness if you really think Rosenfels would be more than a Kyle Orton as a starter.
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Get....outta.....town
 
I was watching NBPBSBSILTVJKESPDD, and they had this expert on who was talking about whether or not Carr would be a good quarterback. This is what I heard.

Ok, after decades of dedicated research, I have uncovered to truth about whether David Carr is actually a good QB or not! This is no joke and will once and for all end all disputes about David Carr. --

** Please excuse this interruption, this is a test of your local broadcasting station, BEEEEP BEEP BEEEEEEEEEEP BEEEEEP BEEP beep BEEEEEEP, Thankyou, this has been a test, we will now return to your regularly scheduled program. **

-- and now the Carr debates can finally cease, good night to you all
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Well that clears it up.

Basically everyone has a glass half full concept when it comes to David Carrs play (Yay cliche #2 this week, I'm on a roll!)

EX: Carr plays a game and gets 150 yards No touchdowns, No Interceptions, Texans win by 6 points.

Carr haters = "Carr played mediocre, thats all he ever plays, unless he plays horribly then he just sucks. Did you see that one pass that was barely tipped by that linebacker and was 2 feet away from being intercepted by that saftey that AJ almost caught anyway. I mean, that could have been a disaster! Trade Carr!!"

Carr homers = "Carr was near perfection as usual, no INT he didn't get any TD's but we were just so great on the ground today anyways. Carr Carr Carr love Carr Carr to Moulds Carr Carrcarrcarr. He's going to the PROBOWL. CARR CARR Carr CARR"

Seriously, its all in perception, there are people on this MB that will always say Carrs performance was mediocre, and there are people on this MB that will always he had a great game no matter what.

So what I'm really saying is... continue on. :)
 
It's the knee jerk reaction to this situation by fans that dislike Carr that gets under my skin. They spout off after 3 quarters of preseason play from Carr and suddenly there is a QB controversy. If anything, wait until the 3rd game of preseason when the game is more "season" like in play time and adjustments. IF Carr falls flat on his face then so be it, but he still deserves a little bit of time to adjust to to a new coaching scheme, new players and playbook. There are flaws in his game that he needs to work on (missing an wide open Moulds on a curl last game) but he needs reps to correct them. Jake Plummer played on an aweful Arizona Cardinals team before coming to Denver. Plummer had all the tools and developed into a good passer when he went to the Broncos. I don't know if Carr is as good as Plummer, but I am willing to give him shot, especially after all the knee jerks pleaded for Banks to take the helm and he fell flat on his face.
 
SESupergenius said:
It's the knee jerk reaction to this situation by fans that dislike Carr that gets under my skin. They spout off after 3 quarters of preseason play from Carr and suddenly there is a QB controversy.
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:soapbox:

Of course it gets under your skin. It's not very reasonable.

The fans are so polarized on Carr we can't have a realistic discussion here.

What the "other side" doesn't like is that if someone makes valid criticism of Carr, such as "he looks more comfortable throwing from the roll-out than in the pocket; he needs to get comfortable in the pocket" - they get the knee jerk reaction of 50 posts saying that he's been sacked 200 times, his coaching sucks, give him time, etc. That's not a reasonable response either.

Both sides are equally at fault and equally fed up; people who want to have a reasonable discussion are sick of it too, because, well, they want to have a reasonable discussion. Add in the people who think being a pot stirrer equates with making foolish posts and we get instant boil over.

In my opinion, people claim they are pot stirrers so they can make unsubstantiated claims using loose logic. I think it is used to cover poor or lazy thinking. Maybe it even signifies the inability to think critically*. Pot stirring is supposed to be taking the other side of a debate with logical arguments or by bringing up alternate hypotheses.


This is the way I see it. I don't have a solution, except to suggest everyone take a deep breath and think before posting. That "everyone" word is the tripping point though. It also assumes people don't want to start Carr flames (either side), and that's not true.


*I mean this definition of critical:
Characterized by careful, exact evaluation and judgment

Not this one:
Inclined to judge severely and find fault
 
maybe i can help..

"Healthy competition at QB" does not equal "start Sage". Hopefully it equates to a better Carr. If i say I think "Fred Weary has been terrific in the first two preseason games, he's competing with Steve McKinney and Chester Pitts for a starting job." Everyone is cool with that. If I say Sage has been terrific and is competing with Carr for the starting job, I am a traitor, Carr basher, glass half empty, loser fan and need to find another team to root for. Take it easy! Perhaps Im more of a team fan than player fan.

Anyone ever had a job where you know you were better than those above you but nobody would give you a chance to compete because of company politics?
 
Jwwillis said:
maybe i can help..

"Healthy competition at QB" does not equal "start Sage". Hopefully it equates to a better Carr. If i say I think "Fred Weary has been terrific in the first two preseason games, he's competing with Steve McKinney and Chester Pitts for a starting job." Everyone is cool with that. If I say Sage has been terrific and is competing with Carr for the starting job, I am a traitor and need to find another team to root for. Take it easy! Perhaps Im more of a team fan than player fan.

Anyone ever had a job where you know you were better than those above you but nobody would give you a chance to compete because of company politics?
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well, I don't think there is a "healthy competition" at QB...

if Weary plays better than McKinney, Weary starts..... if Wand plays better than Spencer, Wand starts...... if Cowart Plays better than Ryans, Cowart starts.

If Sage plays better than Carr.......... I am not saying that he has or hasn't.... but if he did...... Carr will get the Start...... all day, everyday..... so if Sage has no possibility of starting, where is the competition & how does that make Carr better??
 
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS said:
It's not even a debate, it's called the truth, you, I, and everyone else on this board are just fans, not the coaches, nor the managment, they make the call, not us, and as for right now Porky, David is the reflection of the Houston Texans, until Kubiak say's differently.... So in the meantime stop being negative , and Pray for our players and coaches, that they will make the right call when the time comes.......If Carr does not preform in week 1 by all means replace him, whatever is best for the team is what I wrote about, it's not about liking one over another, it's about team and team only whatever it takes to get the job done:redtowel:
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:gathering: You give us way too much credit. :gathering:
 
thunderkyss said:
If Sage plays better than Carr.......... I am not saying that he has or hasn't.... but if he did...... Carr will get the Start...... all day, everyday..... so if Sage has no possibility of starting, where is the competition & how does that make Carr better??
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Yikes! Well it doesn't and Kubiak has failed our TEXANS playing politics. You can bet that won't happen.
 
thunderkyss said:
well, I don't think there is a "healthy competition" at QB...

if Weary plays better than McKinney, Weary starts..... if Wand plays better than Spencer, Wand starts...... if Cowart Plays better than Ryans, Cowart starts.

If Sage plays better than Carr.......... I am not saying that he has or hasn't.... but if he did...... Carr will get the Start...... all day, everyday..... so if Sage has no possibility of starting, where is the competition & how does that make Carr better??
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I totally buy into this theory. No way Kubiak is going to tell Mcnair that he can turn Carr into a SB QB, and then bench him for some lightwieght from Miami who has two career starts. For better, or for worse, we are stuck with Carr until he literally proves one way or the other whether he can play or not.
 
Porky said:
I totally buy into this theory. No way Kubiak is going to tell Mcnair that he can turn Carr into a SB QB, and then bench him for some lightwieght from Miami who has two career starts. For better, or for worse, we are stuck with Carr until he literally proves one way or the other whether he can play or not.
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Shhhhhh Dont let Carr hear you say that damit!!
 
I honestly believe Carr is going to go off this year..... he knows he has too. Kinda like he knew in his third year, with a legit RB, a Legit WR, and a Legit Defense, that he would have to play.... and he did.

It's '07 that you have to watch out for.......
 
It think this scripted plays business and not playing into the second half (against whatever defensive players) is what's hurting Carr. Our offense tends to cause defenses to not allow big pass plays until later in the game when they are getting tired of getting run all over. At least that's the impression I'm getting right now.
 
Here is a question for all you people who really believe David should sit on the bench this year, and bust the salary cap off the Roof for the next 3 years. Why has Sage not been starting for the Redskins or Dolphins, why has he bounced from team to team, why only 2 starts in his career, Please let me know, the Dolphins QB's since Marino have been nothing special, and here comes Sage, but not 1st string material...Please let me know because we continue to believe Sage is the man on this thread into only 2 pre-season games........
 
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS said:
Here is a question for all you people who really believe David should sit on the bench this year, and bust the salary cap off the Roof for the next 3 years. Why has Sage not been starting for the Redskins or Dolphins, why has he bounced from team to team, why only 2 starts in his career, Please let me know, the Dolphins QB's since Marino have been nothing special, and here comes Sage, but not 1st string material...Please let me know because we continue to believe Sage is the man on this thread into only 2 pre-season games........
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Who was the last great QB to come out of Miami or Washington?? Neither team has developed a QB that I can remember in the last 10 years. They tend to go after the hottest FA they can find at the time, and try to make it work.
 
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