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"Sage has starting ability" -- Kubiak

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Some direct quotes from Kubiak I feel are good for discussion -- Kubiak is thinking some of the same things we are talking about on the boards. That Kubiak described Carr as "Shakey" last night during the half time interview was surprising.
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"He's very composed, he's a great leader and he understands coverages."

--Kubiak

Houston Chronicle/ full article

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"I told David that the Rams have an aggressive defense, and when they come after us, he's got to make those plays," Kubiak said. "I felt there were seven or eight times when we could have made plays.

"I was disappointed in some things early, but he battled back. He knows I'm just trying to make him better."

--Kubiak

Houston Chronicle/ full article
 
My view of this is that I am cool with whatever Kubiak does with all things quarterback.

He sees the game tape. He knows what is supposed to happen. He's seen all the practices etc.

And he is not dealing with widgets but rather human beings. He knows that.

So, I am guessing that he will make whatever is the best decision based on the best information, team dynamics and what will make his football team better in the long run.

Talk radio is going to be unlistenable because people will go beyond what was on the field and exaggerate some, but just for me, what is cool with Kubiak as it relates to quarterbacks, is 100% cool by me.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Talk radio is going to be unlistenable because people will go beyond what was on the field and exaggerate some, but just for me, what is cool with Kubiak as it relates to quarterbacks, is 100% cool by me.
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Just talk radio? Don't forget the message board. :)
 
It is possible for coaches to make statements so that they can further motivate players.

It sounded like Carr needs to learn coverages better. Inotherwords, watch more tape?

But of course this is just speculation, so let the speculation begin.
 
I think the offense has potential of being a high scoring offense. I wish Kris Brown hadn't missed from 37, but ah well.

Rosenfels is looking more like the QB benefitting the most from Coach Kubiak's system. Carr is coming around but I still think the 208 sacks is looming there, making him a bit shaky. I like the way he bounced back though, but at the same time he's getting shown up by #2.

Look at the bright side, VY hasn't won yet. :D
 
Tale Gator said:
Some direct quotes from Kubiak I feel are good for discussion -- Kubiak is thinking some of the same things we are talking about on the boards. That Kubiak described Carr as "Shakey" last night during the half time interview was surprising.
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"He's very composed, he's a great leader and he understands coverages."

--Kubiak

Houston Chronicle/ full article

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"I told David that the Rams have an aggressive defense, and when they come after us, he's got to make those plays," Kubiak said. "I felt there were seven or eight times when we could have made plays.

"I was disappointed in some things early, but he battled back. He knows I'm just trying to make him better."

--Kubiak

Houston Chronicle/ full article
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Coach Kubiak told us that on day one. It's Dave's job and my job to execute. When things are there, make plays. When things aren't, get rid of the football and move on."
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He knows his roll...............

Back up QB is the main man on every football team.
 
HoustonFan said:
I think the offense has potential of being a high scoring offense. I wish Kris Brown hadn't missed from 37, but ah well.

Rosenfels is looking more like the QB benefitting the most from Coach Kubiak's system. Carr is coming around but I still think the 208 sacks is looming there, making him a bit shaky. I like the way he bounced back though, but at the same time he's getting shown up by #2.

Look at the bright side, VY hasn't won yet. :D
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Playing against #2s and 3s. Can we please keep this in mind.
 
Runner said:
Just talk radio? Don't forget the message board. :)
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On the MB it is easier for me to scan and ignore the dumbest stuff. If it gets nuts, and posts get trollish, they get vanquished.

Callers after games bother me more because they go on and on and most say such stupid stuff. That, and you can't eject Rich Lord other than changing the station.
 
Hulk75 said:
Playing against #2s and 3s. Can we please keep this in mind.
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I couldn't agree more with you. I have faith in David Carr, he just has to shake off the hundreds of sacks he's taken. When he realizes that he has more protection out there with the new system, he is going be one hell of a threat. It's good to know that rosenfels is capable if needed though.
 
For what its worth

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060727/SPORTS19/60727015

But Martz also praised McCown and Orlovsky.

“Overall, this is the best group that I’ve had,” Martz told WKRK. “All three of these guys can start in this league and play at a high level. …

“To say that we have basically three starters that can play this game is worth getting excited about.”

And Marinelli said Thursday the competition wasn’t over.

“The competition’s still there,” he said. Kitna “just enters camp as the starter, and then we’ll go from there.”

Stay tuned.
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Coach's do this often, especially in their inaugural year. They keep their QBs on their toes and through competition aprove the overal play of both. This is only going to make the starting QB and back up better.
 
Texans_Chick said:
On the MB it is easier for me to scan and ignore the dumbest stuff. If it gets nuts, and posts get trollish, they get vanquished.

Callers after games bother me more because they go on and on and most say such stupid stuff. That, and you can't eject Rich Lord other than changing the station.
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I guess I'm the opposite. Sometimes I'm like a moth to the message board flame. Like you I scroll right through a lot of the poorest posts, but I still read a lot.

I can easily not listen to sports talk radio. Between the commercials, off-topic host rants, and some of the callers I find it unbearable most of the time. I listen when players/coaches are scheduled, that's about it.
 
Runner said:
I guess I'm the opposite. Sometimes I'm like a moth to the message board flame. Like you I scroll right through a lot of the poorest posts, but I still read a lot.

I can easily not listen to sports talk radio. Between the commercials, off-topic host rants, and some of the callers I find it unbearable most of the time. I listen when players/coaches are scheduled, that's about it.
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I'm addicted to sports talk. I think it is because I am fussy about music. Bad music kills me.

Flame posts are bothersome, but there are enough good nuggets in the mix to make it worth reading. You can't say that about a lot of sports MBs.
 
Texans_Chick said:
I'm addicted to sports talk. I think it is because I am fussy about music. Bad music kills me.

Flame posts are bothersome, but there are enough good nuggets in the mix to make it worth reading. You can't say that about a lot of sports MBs.
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Agreed - we are complaining about parts of the MB. It is still one of the best MBs - sports or otherwise - around.
 
Comments from Kubiak such as these give me hope for the future.

He knows QB's and knows what he's doing. He's telling Carr like it is and doing something that Capers and Co. never did...letting him know (through statements such as 'Sage has starting ability') that Carr's job is up for grabs if he doesn't play like Kubiak wants him to.

It would be my estimation that if Carr underperforms in a few games in the regular season, that Kubiak will start Sage to send the message to Carr that underperformance is unacceptable. I also estimate that if this occurs...Carr comes back and continually plays better than he ever has before.
 
I can't stand the radio, mostly for the aforementioned callers. As much as you would hope the correct use of a telephone inherent to the process would weed out some of the dumbest callers, I continue to be unpleasantly surprised.
 
I happen to find Sports Radio very entertaining, as long as they are cover issues you care about. We have three or four good ones out here in Southern California, so I usually switch back and forth between them when things get lame.
 
Texans_Chick said:
My view of this is that I am cool with whatever Kubiak does with all things quarterback.

He sees the game tape. He knows what is supposed to happen. He's seen all the practices etc.

And he is not dealing with widgets but rather human beings. He knows that.

So, I am guessing that he will make whatever is the best decision based on the best information, team dynamics and what will make his football team better in the long run.

Talk radio is going to be unlistenable because people will go beyond what was on the field and exaggerate some, but just for me, what is cool with Kubiak as it relates to quarterbacks, is 100% cool by me.
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I agree with this. If Carr isn't doing the right reads, put Sage in. I realize less than a football game has been played with the 1st string offense, yet season time comes and we get to the bye week and Carr is still struggling, then yank him..

I honestly feel that it is time for anyone not to use the "expansion" tag anymore and I also feel if Carr has good protection through the 1st 6 games and making the wrong reads still, it is time to see what another QB can do. It would have to be tough love because we all know that Carr has taken a pounding but that excuse would need to go out the window also when 1/3 of the season is gone.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
We have two Sports Radio stations here. Not many choices, but Sirius is going to come in handy soon.
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You'll never regret it if you get Sirius. (eh . . is there a pun in there?;))

But 'Siriusly', once you start listening to NFL Sirius Radio, you'll recognize 610 and 790 for the pieces of crap they really are.
 
Hulk75 said:
Playing against #2s and 3s. Can we please keep this in mind.
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Sure we can keep it in mind, as long as we also keep in mind he had #2's and #3's on the oline, and the 4th, 5th, and 6th best WR, backup TE's, etc.

Having said that, I think the best way to resolve this, is to start him one game and see what happens. Some guys are inherently better relief picthers than starters, and I think Sage had that reputation coming in. Time for a reality check. He is going to have to way out perform Carr to win the starters job for a variety of reasons.
 
"I told David that the Rams have an aggressive defense, and when they come after us, he's got to make those plays," Kubiak said. "I felt there were seven or eight times when we could have made plays.

"I was disappointed in some things early, but he battled back. He knows I'm just trying to make him better."

--Kubiak

"He knows I'm just trying to make him better" is PC coach speak for "I had to ream his ass a few times on the sideline", in case some of you haven't figured that out yet.:)
 
Marcus said:
You'll never regret it if you get Sirius. (eh . . is there a pun in there?;))

But 'Siriusly', once you start listening to NFL Sirius Radio, you'll recognize 610 and 790 for the pieces of crap they really are.
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...what's ironic about this is that much of the content on both these stations is national syndication, not local, as both are no longer owned locally
 
This is definitely a motivator from Kubiak -- Carr without a doubt needs someone in his face. After 4 years in the league it is time to produce -- Kubiak wants to see David run the offense smoothly before the preseason ends. I thnk Carr is on a shorter leash than many believe.

We may see the ultimate motivator of Sage starting the final preseason game if Carr struggles again next week. Of course Carr will still start week one though.
 
First, on sports radio...it's the worst during Rockets season. You get the most RIDICULOUS trade proposals called in, all of them seemingly sending Yao away (that's just stupid).

Secondly, I support Carr fully, but whatever Kubiak does I trust. I trust him and this staff so much more than the last, it's amazing. Some of this is coachspeak, you should know that, but it's good to see someone at least getting in his face. I don't get excited over preseason performances because I've seen them much too often not amount to squat.
 
Its not uncommon for most starters to be held out of the last preseason game to prevent injury. So Sage getting the start in that game would not shock me. Can we give this Sage vs Carr thing a rest? Kubiak has done a great job thus far I think we can rely on him to put the right guy behind center.
 
BradK10 said:
Some of this is coachspeak, you should know that, but it's good to see someone at least getting in his face.
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I think this is the most important point from all this -- something Carr has probably needed the past few years.
 
Tale Gator said:
This is definitely a motivator from Kubiak -- Carr without a doubt needs someone in his face. After 4 years in the league it is time to produce -- Kubiak wants to see David run the offense smoothly before the preseason ends. I thnk Carr is on a shorter leash than many believe.

We may see the ultimate motivator of Sage starting the final preseason game if Carr struggles again next week. Of course Carr will still start week one though.
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Kubiak has already said that Carr is going to play most of the 3rd game and Rosenfels will play most of the 4th game. That is what most teams do.
 
Jwwillis said:
Hulk75 said:
Playing against #2s and 3s. Can we please keep this in mind.
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And you remember that Sage is playing with 2/3 talent on his side too.
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It's amazing we diminish the play of any QB other than Carr and artificially pump Carr up and give him excuses. I still don't get why the fans do this with him.
 
Vinny said:
It's amazing we diminish the play of any QB other than Carr and artificially pump Carr up and give him excuses. I still don't get why the fans do this with him.
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Agreed. Last night one poster was so in love with Carr he even knocked Sages TD pass, calling it a "duck". He even went so far as to say Carrs postion is locked and bringing in Sage as a starter would have us drafing #1 again.

I think its loyalty vs. best player. Good thing coaches choose best player.
 
I don't want to pee on anyone's Cheerio's or anything (and of course in Kubiak we trust)...but the jury is still out on Carr in my mind. He looked shaky to me last night, like sometimes he was capable of fantastic things, and then the next play he seemed confused and flustered.

I'm reserving judgement until we see some regular season games, but I'm not blind to certain tendencies DC has had in the past. Let's see if Kubiak can coach it out of him, and truly see what he's capable of. But this season is the test to me. Five years ought be enough to evaluate any player in this league.
 
Porky said:
Sure we can keep it in mind, as long as we also keep in mind he had #2's and #3's on the oline, and the 4th, 5th, and 6th best WR, backup TE's, etc.

Having said that, I think the best way to resolve this, is to start him one game and see what happens. Some guys are inherently better relief picthers than starters, and I think Sage had that reputation coming in. Time for a reality check. He is going to have to way out perform Carr to win the starters job for a variety of reasons.
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That would be the best way for the fans to see what they want to see. Has nothing to do with finding a starting QB. It is still the preseason, and things will change once the regular season starts, and DCs open up the playbook.

IMHO, David didn't look shaky..... I saw him bouncing around a little bit. But they didn't run the bootlegs to get him out of the pocket this week that they used last week. & we couldn't get our running game going while David was in. & the tailback wasn't helping on passing downs...

It's also good to remember that making David Carr successfull, is as big a goal of Kubiak's as it is to make the Texans successfull. So unless David literally throws a touchdown in the wrong endzone, he is our starting QB.... good or bad, right or wrong.

If you're one of those who believe we'll finish less than 8-8, then don't worry. We can do that IMHO at the same time we are teaching David Carr to win, to not leave plays on the field. I'm actually thinking it's all going to start clicking for David in the next two weeks. Starting Sage one of those two weeks, I think will be detremental to our overall goal.

Sage is good to go, I think..... whenever/if-ever Kubiak makes the decision to start him....... he's going to do well.

Best QB on the field yesterday?? Without a question Mark Bulger. 2 seconds. He'd found his reciever, and made his decision of where the ball should be 2 seconds after the ball was snapped. That's what our goal should be.... neither David, or Sage is close to that right now..... David may very well be closer....

Of course when the second and third team comes out and craps all over your secondary, you know Bulger's success was in large part to his recievers, their routes, and their overall "scheme". But Bulger getting the ball out as quickly as he did made his OL look pretty darn good.

Back to starting Sage......... why?? Kubiak says the man can be a starter in this league... what else is there to prove?? That's exactly what we need to know about our backup.
 
thunderkyss said:
Kubiak says the man can be a starter in this league... what else is there to prove??
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Nothing to prove - we are just discussing direct comments from our new coach that he made about Carr. Clearly there is a bit of frustration in Kubiak's statements.
 
Tale Gator said:
Nothing to prove - we are just discussing direct comments from our new coach that he made about Carr. Clearly there is a bit of frustration in Kubiak's statements.
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No...... we are discussing starting Sage witht he first team to see how he does...... what's the point?? We want David to play better with the first team, how is starting Sage going to make that happen??
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
Well if your ready to bench the 8 million dollar QB for a 2nd stringer, glad your not kubes. Least Give Davie Franchise a chance to choke on games that matter.

Vinny, if your so sure Carr will choke, then you got nothingto worry about, he will be bench mid september.... Kubes aint Capers, he is the real thing. Happy? Sheeeeshhhhhh.....

All this Carr Bashing gives me a head ache, cause some people actually tries to hard

Let Carr choke on the first 3 games , then we can put Sage. LMAO at some people here.
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Kubiak has already shown a players salary has no bearing on who starts. As it should be. American dollars don't throw TD passes. You can bet Kubs will start the best QB regardless of salary. As far as the 2nd stringer tag....arnt all QB's 2nd or 3rd stringers (unless they start as a rookie) at some point? Plenty of Hall of Fame QB that played the 2 during there career. Are we going to pay Sage a 2mill signing bonus and not let him compete for the postion? If comparing performance on the field is Carr bashing so be it....take an asprin.
 
Try Sage with the first team and see how he does.

ANd yes Sirus rules. Im sick of listening to the 610 morning crew talk about themselves and their great callers of the past and then go to some commercial.
 
Tale Gator said:
I'm not sure Kubiak's direct quotes about Carr's play equate to bashing -- they are more for motivation IMO.
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I agree. Kubiak was quoted as saying that Carr's play was shaky, and I agree with him, he was. Just agreeing with the head coach, that's all.

There is a very good bright side to this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from Kubiak's comments, I take it that Kubes sees the very same negative things about Carr as we do . . . the happy feet, the indecisiveness, etc.

You couldn't say that about Capers.
 
cbnjwill said:
just curious what david carr has done over the last four seasons to warrant having faith in him?
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that's like asking if there is a God....... you can't prove it.... but when you know, you know.
 
cbnjwill said:
just curious what david carr has done over the last four seasons to warrant having faith in him?
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He has been given the benefit of doubt due to a poor o-line. He has shown durability and plenty of god given talent. He is moble and has a strong arm.
 
I think Carr has shown he has the ability but with how bad the offense and the O-line play has been, he gets some benefit of the doubt.

I think it might be to late for him to recover from the shell shock of it all. I believe when he came into this leauge in his first and second season, no one threw a deep ball better than him. He was accurate and strong, but the sacks came and the dropped passes came and thus went his confidence.

Lets see Sage start agains the first team, like people cried for Banks and he threw 3 ints vs the 49ers (lol). Sage is not a roamer for no reason.

If anything, Brady Quinn can come here next season :)
 
cbnjwill said:
just curious what david carr has done over the last four seasons to warrant having faith in him?
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I don't have a problem with having faith in Carr one last year, but I would like to see the staunch Carr supporters have the same faith in P-Buc, Weary, Babin, TJ, Wand, et. al. Most of them haven't had half the chances Carr has had, they have had the same bad coaching, and haven't really been any worse on the field overall. Carr gets defended to the hilt, but a lot of these players just get called busts. Why the double standard? That is what I find annoying.

Personally, I hope all of the players on our roster succeed in spite of what they've done/haven't done in the past.
 
i like that you cant really prove it u just no it. well personally i would feel better if someone could prove it too me, until then hes still a below average qb. this is yr number five when will we stop talking about his potential and start talking about facts like his actual statistics
 
Runner said:
I don't have a problem with having faith in Carr one last year, but I would like to see the staunch Carr supporters have the same faith in P-Buc, Weary, Babin, TJ, Wand, et. al. Most of them haven't had half the chances Carr has had, they've have had the same bad coaching, and haven't really been any worse on the field overall. Carr gets defended to the hilt, but a lot of these players just get called busts. Why the double standard? That is what I find annoying.

Personally, I hope all of the players on our roster succeed in spite of what they've done/haven't done in the past.
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I think Babin, P-Buc, and the rest are getting their second chances with Carr now.
 
there are not too many players period in the league that have had the chances carr has. u look at his performance over the yrs and capers would never pull him from a game no matter what. there have been numerous times this guy should have been shown the bench
 
More like, all the dropped passes and poor blocking. Even The HC of Indy said on Sirius radio last year that Manning would not do any better than carr in the situation.
 
Goldeagle said:
I think Babin, P-Buc, and the rest are getting their second chances with Carr now.
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With the coaching staff anyway.

Some of the guys have been laid waste on this board during OTAs and camp - and the games have shown them to be far ahead of these reports. I don't think many MB members would have blinked twice if Wand, Weary, P-Buc, etc had been cut this year, and now many of these same players are starting or challenging to. Like I said, I just find it annoying. I'm glad the tide is finally turning in fans' minds.
 
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