Safeties

[badboy]

This is a position I was hoping would be addressed this off season and perhaps it has been. I like Moore and his self evaluation that has been mentioned in "roster" thread. Stevie Brown I am aware of but did not follow him. He should be worth contract as long as he has recovered physically.

and then Quintin Demps who, I liked when with Houston before:

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Per multiple reports, Texans signed two vets:

S-Quintin Demps
DE-Fili Moala

No word on corresponding releases.

and here: http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2513237/

But certainly new thread/topic worthy.

also:

According to John McClain of the Houston Chronicle, the Texans have signed safety Quintin Demps and defensive end Fili Moala.

Demps spent three seasons with the Texans (2010-12), and played the last two years with the Chiefs and Giants. Upon leaving the Texans the first time, he turned in a pair of four-interception seasons, and gives them good depth behind Stevie Brown and Rahim Moore.

Moala, a former second-round pick of the Colts, spent last year on injured reserve with a torn ACL.

Thoughts?

 

[WolverineFan]

Personally I think Moore, Brown, and Hal are all roster locks. I then think Demps will make the team and Ballentine will get practice squaded.

FS - Rahim Moore / Quintin Demps
SS - Stevie Brown / Andre Hal

PS - Lonnie Ballentine

 

[The Pencil Neck]

The issue here may be that they don't want a player on the team that's just a return man. With Demps, they get someone who can play on the back end of the defense, and be a returner.

With Worthy, they may not feel as comfortable with him as a WR. And with Mumphery, they may not be feeling as comfy with him, as a returner.

Or he may have been brought in as an insurance policy in that respect.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Wrong Thread

 

[badboy]

PN I agree but we have to make big step forward in returns and if that means a specialist, we do it. IMO more of a reason to have a returns only guy than a deep snapper. If we can accept one the other should be also. Still Demps should be able to do both.

 

[Marshall]

The issue here may be that they don't want a player on the team that's just a return man. With Demps, they get someone who can play on the back end of the defense, and be a returner.

With Worthy, they may not feel as comfortable with him as a WR. And with Mumphery, they may not be feeling as comfy with him, as a returner.

Or he may have been brought in as an insurance policy in that respect.

OR he might split return duties as the primary Punt Returner due to the additional defensive requirements while a receiver is primary Kickoff Returner.

One thing is certain. We will be waiving good players at both cut dates instead of just fodder.

 

[Marcus]

One thing is certain. We will be waiving good players at both cut dates instead of just fodder.

I can't wait to see what Chandler Worthy does this week against the Broncos. If he returns it like he did last week, and then follows that up against the Saints, it will be real interesting to see who they keep at WR.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I can't wait to see what Chandler Worthy does this week against the Broncos. If he returns it like he did last week, and then follows that up against the Saints, it will be real interesting to see who they keep at WR.

I just keep playing around with the numbers, and I can't see any way we don't keep:
1. Hopkins
2. Shorts
3. Washington
4. Strong
5. Mumphery
6. Worthy

The one I have questions about is Washington, because he hasn't been getting as much chatter or play on HK.

I think Worthy, with his return ability and his development as a receiver, has played himself onto the team barring some sort of regression. Same with Mumphery, except he's less good at returning but better at receiving and more of a weapon in the offense.

And I've got the same sort of dilemma with the corners.

 

[sandman]

I just keep playing around with the numbers, and I can't see any way we don't keep:
1. Hopkins
2. Shorts
3. Washington
4. Strong
5. Mumphery
6. Worthy

The one I have questions about is Washington, because he hasn't been getting as much chatter or play on HK.

I think Worthy, with his return ability and his development as a receiver, has played himself onto the team barring some sort of regression. Same with Mumphery, except he's less good at returning but better at receiving and more of a weapon in the offense.

And I've got the same sort of dilemma with the corners.

So no Bonner?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

So no Bonner?

Yeah. No Bonner. Maybe we can package him up with Labhart and Nwachukwu (sp) and trade them to the Panthers for something.

 

[Marshall]

Yeah. No Bonner. Maybe we can package him up with Labhart and Nwachukwu (sp) and trade them to the Panthers for something.

I've been thinking this way, but with higher echelon teams who have low priority on the waiver wires and had poor selections of who to bring into their camps. Trade for a solid backup in an area of our weakness for several in area's of our strength and their weakness to get around the waiver wire.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I've been thinking this way, but with higher echelon teams who have low priority on the waiver wires and had poor selections of who to bring into their camps. Trade for a solid backup in an area of our weakness for several in area's of our strength and their weakness to get around the waiver wire.

I don't know enough about the Panthers to know if they have any OL we'd like.

 

[WolverineFan]

I don't know enough about the Panthers to know if they have any OL we'd like.

They don't. Their offensive situation is an even bigger mess than ours.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Safety remains the weakest point of the defense. One of the worst, and least talked about, moves made by this organization was allowing Glover Quin to sign elsewhere. Whomever elected to sign Ed Reed over re-signing Quin should've been whacked the same day Reed was whacked.

Moore is average at best. Not even close to Quin. I like Demps, but he takes too many chances going for the big play which leads to him getting burned. Stevie Brown isn't even in the conversation at this point. The rest? Dunno, but color me unimpressed

 

[ubecool454]

I just keep playing around with the numbers, and I can't see any way we don't keep:
1. Hopkins
2. Shorts
3. Washington
4. Strong
5. Mumphery
6. Worthy

The one I have questions about is Washington, because he hasn't been getting as much chatter or play on HK.

I think Worthy, with his return ability and his development as a receiver, has played himself onto the team barring some sort of regression. Same with Mumphery, except he's less good at returning but better at receiving and more of a weapon in the offense.

And I've got the same sort of dilemma with the corners.

If they only keep five then Worthy is the odd man out. Keyshawn Martin is good as gone. If they keep six Bonner will be the other WR.

 

[ubecool454]

If they only keep five then Worthy is the odd man out. Keyshawn Martin is good as gone.

Safety remains the weakest point of the defense. One of the worst, and least talked about, moves made by this organization was allowing Glover Quin to sign elsewhere. Whomever elected to sign Ed Reed over re-signing Quin should've been whacked the same day Reed was whacked.

Moore is average at best. Not even close to Quin. I like Demps, but he takes too many chances going for the big play which leads to him getting burned. Stevie Brown isn't even in the conversation at this point. The rest? Dunno, but color me unimpressed

Which Moore is average at best. You must be talking about Corey Moore lol. I son't think he got in the game against SF but I hope to see him play Saturday. He is a long shot to make the team but maybe he can make the practice squad.

 

[steelbtexan]

If they only keep five then Worthy is the odd man out. Keyshawn Martin is good as gone. If they keep six Bonner will be the other WR.

They probably will find an injury to put Strong on IR.

That dude has bust written all over him.

 

[cland]

I am still surprised that the Texans didn't resign Kendrick Lewis from last year, as I thought he was good in both run and pass situations. He only signed an average of 1.8/yr with the Ravens. Moore and Lewis in the backfield seems to me the best option at this time. I have to suppose OB and RAC saw something that I didn't.

 

[sandman]

I am still surprised that the Texans didn't resign Kendrick Lewis from last year, as I thought he was good in both run and pass situations. He only signed an average of 1.8/yr with the Ravens. Moore and Lewis in the backfield seems to me the best option at this time. I have to suppose OB and RAC saw something that I didn't.

They still had JungleBoi_Swagg at the time and when the Texans went for Moore, maybe Lewis felt slighted. Didn't want to be the 3rd safety. And it doesn't appear that the Texans went hard to try to keep him. In hindsight, I imagine that both the Texans and Lewis would have liked a do-over on that one.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Which Moore is average at best. You must be talking about Corey Moore lol. I son't think he got in the game against SF but I hope to see him play Saturday. He is a long shot to make the team but maybe he can make the practice squad.

That would be Rahim Moore who is average at best

 

[Marcus]

They probably will find an injury to put Strong on IR.

That dude has bust written all over him.

I'm not putting much faith in Strong's Hard Knocks story. Seems a little 'created' to me. Think I'll wait to see how he does in the next couple of games. Since he's a rookie, he should get plenty of opportunities.

And I don't put bust labels on rookies anymore. Hard lesson learned.

 

[Marcus]

If they only keep five then Worthy is the odd man out. Keyshawn Martin is good as gone. If they keep six Bonner will be the other WR.

I'll throw my headphones down on the ground if they keep Bonner instead of Worthy. Bonner would make it back around if he's cut. Worthy would get picked up.

 

[badboy]

Safety remains the weakest point of the defense. One of the worst, and least talked about, moves made by this organization was allowing Glover Quin to sign elsewhere. Whomever elected to sign Ed Reed over re-signing Quin should've been whacked the same day Reed was whacked.

Moore is average at best. Not even close to Quin. I like Demps, but he takes too many chances going for the big play which leads to him getting burned. Stevie Brown isn't even in the conversation at this point. The rest? Dunno, but color me unimpressed

IMO, different type players in that Quin was a closer to LOS player and a hybrid LB type while Moore is a purer free safety type.

 

[badboy]

I am still surprised that the Texans didn't resign Kendrick Lewis from last year, as I thought he was good in both run and pass situations. He only signed an average of 1.8/yr with the Ravens. Moore and Lewis in the backfield seems to me the best option at this time. I have to suppose OB and RAC saw something that I didn't.

They still had JungleBoi_Swagg at the time and when the Texans went for Moore, maybe Lewis felt slighted. Didn't want to be the 3rd safety. And it doesn't appear that the Texans went hard to try to keep him. In hindsight, I imagine that both the Texans and Lewis would have liked a do-over on that one.

Agree. Texans did so well with signing their own FAs I think they just read Lewis wrong.

 

[HOU-TEX]

IMO, different type players in that Quin was a closer to LOS player and a hybrid LB type while Moore is a purer free safety type.

Disagree. Quin is a complete S. He can play strong or free. He can cover and knock the snot out of people.

Moore is a Jack of all trades, master of none. Imo

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 1h1 hour ago

Texans S Terrance Parks is dealing with a hamstring injury. Received a PRP shot. Didn't practice today.

 

[badboy]

69. Quintin Demps, Free Agent
70/100
Coverage: 37/50; Run Defense: 21/30; Tackling: 7/15; Starter: 5/5

Quintin Demps (5’11”, 208 lbs, seven seasons) played in all 16 games this past season. Demps recorded 48 total tackles and four interceptions. The former UTEP Miner found himself playing most of his snaps at the strong safety position. Speed is not a concern for Demps, as he returned kickoffs for the Giants this past season. With that being said, he needs to improve on the angles he takes to the ball. With 10 missed tackles on the season, Demps should make tackling improvement an offseason priority so he isn’t just classified as a kick returner who can play some safety

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2511231-br-nfl-1000-top-85-safeties/page/5

and

58. Rahim Moore, Houston Texans
71/100
Coverage: 40/50; Run Defense: 20/30; Tackling: 6/15; Starter: 5/5

Rahim Moore (6’1”, 195 lbs, four seasons) had 50 total tackles while adding four interceptions this past season. Moore doesn’t have the elite speed that you would normally see from the free safety position. He depends more on creating great angles. He continued to be a liability against the run in 2014. Where Moore makes his money is on the pass-coverage side. He has plus coverage skills and top-notch ball skills. The former UCLA product is the classic center field type of free safety

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm not putting much faith in Strong's Hard Knocks story. Seems a little 'created' to me. Think I'll wait to see how he does in the next couple of games. Since he's a rookie, he should get plenty of opportunities.

And I don't put bust labels on rookies anymore. Hard lesson learned.

I didn't like Strong before the Texans picked him. Hope I'm wrong

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Here's a piece I came across explaining why the Giants did not try to keep Demps. One thing, they seemed to run him to the ground with 641 snaps in a 4-3 defense which Demps himself said he didn't feel comfortable in............then they expected him to continue his return duties and maintain his previous production. His PFF grade last year was a -5.1.

Giants free agents 2015: Keep or cut Quintin Demps?

Jan 8, 2015, 11:00a


The New York Giants signed Quintin Demps last off-season hoping that the journeyman safety/kickoff return man would provide depth on defense and boost a return game that finished near the bottom of the league in 2013.

Well, things didn't work out according to plan for Demps and the Giants.

Thanks to the waiving of Will Hill after his third NFL-imposed drug suspension, a season-ending injury to Cooper Taylor, and some ineffective play from Stevie Brown, Demps ended up playing far more on defense than the Giants probably planned. Or wanted.

Demps started nine games on defense for the Giants after starting only six (all in 2013 with the Kansas City Chiefs) during the FIRST SIX YEARS of his NFL career. He played 641 snaps, the second-most of his career, and basically played the way you would expect a journeyman safety play. He finished with a -5.1 Pro Football Focus grade. As the year progressed, he was often the third safety on the field along with Brown and Antrel Rolle, functioning as the "box" safety.

The Giants expected Demps' biggest impact to come on kickoff return. He entered the season with a career average of 27.4 yards on 96 kickoff returns and in 2013 with the Kansas City Chiefs averaged 30.1 yards per return. This season, though, Demps looked lost on returns. He averaged only 21.3 yards on 12 returns, losing that job first to Michael Cox and then Preston Parker.

Valentine's View: Cut Demps. He is a great guy, but he brought nothing to the Giants on the field that can't be replaced, or improved upon.

Vote in our poll and let us know what you think, Giants fans.

Poll
Should the Giants keep Quintin Demps or let him go?

• 13% Keep (140 votes)
  
  
• 88% Cut (980 votes)
  

1120 votes total

Now being in a 3-4 D and being given reasonable snaps, with possibly some returns sprinkled in there, he may have a decent chance of his contribution and performance numbers significantly turning around.

 

[hradhak]

What I don't get was why we released Kendrick Lewis. He played well enough to at least have kept him and bring in someone for competition. Was it a cost issue?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

What I don't get was why we released Kendrick Lewis. He played well enough to at least have kept him and bring in someone for competition. Was it a cost issue?

The Ravens gave him a 3 year deal....no way the Texans would go that route.

 

[hradhak]

The Ravens gave him a 3 year deal....no way the Texans would go that route.

ah ok. well then yeah he's definitely not that special. Texans east would overpay for a guy like that.

 

[infantrycak]

Not sure I'd call it over paying. It's 3 years $5.4 mil so avg $1.8. And he can be cut after 2 with no consequence.

I think Baltimore gave him more assurance of starting.

 

[Playoffs]

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock

Quintin Demps on his mentality: "I've got to play like a kid and execute like a man"

"I did a 1 man training camp. I had my helmet & shoulder pads on & me & my trainer Damon Patterson getting it in."

Demps "Coach OB said the other day...I promise you man, first time I ever heard a coach say this 'I just want to win ball games'."

"Not at all. Not so blatant. Best guys going to play, lets win. We don't care who's getting paid more, best 11 play, lets just win."

Demps on Clowney: "Sky's the limit. He's gifted beyond measure. Put the hardwork & talent together, he can be among the tops in the league"

Demps on what the talented front 7 allows the safeties to do: "Be aggressive and make some plays hopefully."​