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Ryan Fitzpatrick visiting Texans (signs)

The Pencil Neck said:
This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3. They bring in Fitzpatrick knowing he's smart enough to get the system even if he isn't going to be great. He's able to at least start.

Then you draft a QB you're pretty sure you can develop but you don't know how fast. Sure, that might be Bortles or Bridgewater but it might be Garoppolo or Carr or someone else.

If your rookie QB beats out Fitzpatrick, great. If not, that's fine, too. If this rookie doesn't work out, then we'll probably be in a better position next year to draft a NEW rookie QB from (supposedly) a better crop of QBs.

Does this mean we might have a few years of suck if things go wrong? Yeah. But we had that anyway.
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That's all I think this means - they don't want to have to start their choice for future starter immediately.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3.
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Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.
 
powda said:
Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.
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Agreed. Fitz may start a few games, but in reality it has no bearing on what we do. BOB seems to be sold on who he wants at 1.1. Fitz may groom a guy picked later and get a few starts, but whoever we eventually draft, BOB will be all over them to get ready. This qb will be tied to BOBs legacy.
 
powda said:
Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.
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Exactly. This move doesn't mean anything when it comes to our draft. You always want to have a vet, even if you're going with a QB at 1.1.

Carson Palmer had John Kitna. Eli had Kurt Warner. Leinart had Kurt Warner. Luck had Hasselbeck.
 
JB said:
Can you explain why you think this is true? I haven't seen anything so far to say he is locked in on one player
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He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO
 
amazing80 said:
He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO
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Yep. I think Bill knows who he wants and is ready to roll. Whether everyone else knows who they want is another issue, but, Bill has made his decision.


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amazing80 said:
He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO
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"He's seen enough" could also be translated as "This guy sucks." It really only means "Whatever I believed walking in here, I've already had confirmed." It doesn't say anything about what he believed going in.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
"He's seen enough" could also be translated as "This guy sucks." It really only means "Whatever I believed walking in here, I've already had confirmed." It doesn't say anything about what he believed going in.
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So a guy scoring a 10 out of 10 from a HOF former QB would get a "this guy sucks" from our new HC? Hope not. Otherwise we made a bad hire. I think it is safe to say BoB likes Bortles. He has a history with BB's college coach and unless O'Leary told him BB was the real deal then BoB wouldn't have even been at the pro-day.
 
amazing80 said:
He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO
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Let's say that's true, so since we have the 1.1 pick, what I would like to know is that in NFL rules, when is the soonest a team with the 1.1 pick can announce/sign (whatever) or use that 1.1 pick? I don't recall any team using it over a day or two before the actual draft date.
 
Thorn said:
Let's say that's true, so since we have the 1.1 pick, what I would like to know is that in NFL rules, when is the soonest a team with the 1.1 pick can announce/sign (whatever) or use that 1.1 pick? I don't recall any team using it over a day or two before the actual draft date.
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The Texans had signed Williams before the draft had happened, and I believe the Dolphins had agreed to terms with Long before he went #1 overall.
 
Thorn said:
Let's say that's true, so since we have the 1.1 pick, what I would like to know is that in NFL rules, when is the soonest a team with the 1.1 pick can announce/sign (whatever) or use that 1.1 pick? I don't recall any team using it over a day or two before the actual draft date.
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Don't quote me, but I THOUGHT that the first pick could literally sign anytime since we own the pick, we could make it now (as in signing who we want). I could def. be wrong, but I thought this was the case. I can't seem to find anything about this though.
 
amazing80 said:
Don't quote me, but I THOUGHT that the first pick could literally sign anytime since we own the pick, we could make it now (as in signing who we want). I could def. be wrong, but I thought this was the case. I can't seem to find anything about this though.
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Google isn't helping me find this out either. I'm really not sure why I want to know this, but the question popped into my head and now I want to know. LOL
 
Thorn said:
Google isn't helping me find this out either. I'm really not sure why I want to know this, but the question popped into my head and now I want to know. LOL
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Yea i hear that lol. I will keep searching as well. Im almost positive they can sign early, just not sure how early.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_Draft

Having signed a contract with the Houston Texans on the evening before the draft, Mario Williams, a defensive end from North Carolina State, became the draft’s first pick.[1]
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003 <---- footnote 1 in quoted section

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807e7335&template=with-video&confirm=true

DAVIE, Fla. -- Jake Long seemed at ease in his new role as the NFL's No. 1 draft pick, leaning into a news conference microphone to talk about his mean streak while his mother sat in the corner, nodding as she smiled.

The Miami Dolphins were grinning Tuesday, too. They signed the former Michigan left tackle to a five-year contract with $30 million guaranteed, and they'll select him with the top pick in the 2008 NFL Draft on Saturday. NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the contract is valued at $57.5 million.

The deal allows the Dolphins and Long to avoid a possible holdout.
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ya'lls google-fu is terrible
 
I'm guessing Goodell issued a league-wide memo demanding teams hold off on the signing until after the first day of the draft. After all, NFL Draft Day needs to generate as much commercial revenue as possible. Billions and billions of tax-free dollars don't just grow on trees, you know. :bigboss:
 
Showtime100 said:
I'm guessing Goodell issued a league-wide memo demanding teams hold off on the signing until after the first day of the draft. After all, NFL Draft Day needs to generate as much commercial revenue as possible. Billions and billions of tax-free dollars don't just grow on trees, you know. :bigboss:
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From PFT:
NFL reminds teams not to leak picks before podium announcement

Posted by Josh Alper on April 24, 2012, 2:13 PM EDT


The NFL really wants to keep the suspense alive during the draft this season.

On the heels of the announcement that there will no longer be camera shots of players on the phone with teams in the green room just before they are picked and hints that analysts on the networks covering the event will not report picks before they are announced comes word that the league is reminding teams to keep the wraps on things. Darren Rovell of CNBC reports that the league recently reminded teams to withhold announcements of their picks via any medium before they are officially made on the stage at Radio City Music Hall.

The Colts obviously didn’t get the memo.

It’s become a trend in recent years for teams to leak their picks out on Twitter before they get officially announced on telecasts. The league obviously wants to keep people watching the draft as opposed to simply following it via other modes of communication. Last week, Rich Eisen of the NFL Network said that the teams have to be part of that in addition to the networks.
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In the words and expression of Johnny Carson....I did not know that. It just seemed like the NFL to do such a thing. I guess I can't really blame them either. They are a business.
 
I don't know if anyone else noticed. But when I first read the breaking news official HT site article announcing the Fitzpatrick signing, I was not familiar with whom we signed, as they referred to Ryan Fitzgerald. They have obviously decided not to sign Fitzgerald as they have since changed the "Fitzgerald" to "Fitzpatrick.":kitten:
 
On 790 this AM, ND Kalu mentioned that he watched quite a bit of film on Fitzpatrick........and for a QB with a perfect 50 Wonderlic, and Fitzpatrick's high interception rate (which he attributed a very high percentage of those to poor decision-making), it puts into question the correlation between the Wonderlic score and decision making expected by a QB.:spin:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
From PFT:Posted by Josh Alper on April 24, 2012, 2:13 PM EDT

The NFL really wants to keep the suspense alive during the draft this season.

On the heels of the announcement that there will no longer be camera shots of players on the phone with teams in the green room just before they are picked and hints that analysts on the networks covering the event will not report picks before they are announced comes word that the league is reminding teams to keep the wraps on things. Darren Rovell of CNBC reports that the league recently reminded teams to withhold announcements of their picks via any medium before they are officially made on the stage at Radio City Music Hall.
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This ain't American Idol or Survivor. It's the freakin' NFL draft. Bring it back to two days like god intended. We've been operating under suspense and speculation since February. What the hell is an extra five minutes gonna do for your ratings that the past five MONTHS have not?!?
:bat: :foottap:
 
Thorn said:
Google isn't helping me find this out either. I'm really not sure why I want to know this, but the question popped into my head and now I want to know. LOL
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As soon as a player is signed, I assume he can be given a playbook and have access to team facilities, including the film room. Drills and such is limited by the CBA. April 15 is the first day of ota's for the Texans.

(edit) I may have assumed wrong. According to B0ng, he still would have to be "officially" drafted. So the contract may not become "effective" until the draft.
 
ObsiWan said:
This ain't American Idol or Survivor. It's the freakin' NFL draft. Bring it back to two days like god intended. We've been operating under suspense and speculation since February. What the hell is an extra five minutes gonna do for your ratings that the past five MONTHS have not?!?
:bat: :foottap:
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Yeah, I don't watch the NFL draft...period. I let a few million of my closest friends watch and sooner or later one of them is bound to tell me what happened.
 
Showtime100 said:
In the words and expression of Johnny Carson....I did not know that. It just seemed like the NFL to do such a thing. I guess I can't really blame them either. They are a business.
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They are not hurting for money, but they did sell commercial time to sponsors who are expecting eyeballs on the tube during the draft, so they almost have to insist on that, or that income stream will dry up quick.

thunderkyss said:
Can any of you savy sleuths find the connection between Fitzpatrick & O'Brien?
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Yeah, it was down in the Big Easy at a place called O'Brien's off of Bourbon Street where they first met. Ryan was there to drown his sorrows for losing his starting job in Buffalo.

Bill was there just trying to get away from his wife, who was nagging at him for working too much.

It's pure fate that these two men were brought together over a few drinks in the French Quarter. The Universe has spoken, and nobody can stand in the way of this Juggernaut led by O'Brien & Fitzpatrick!
 
Listening to McClain on 610 radio right now, so he says the fact that the Texans signed Ryan Fitzpatrick is just assurance they will draft a QB in the first round this year. I have no idea where McClain comes up his analysis for such things because one could easily draw the conclusion that they will be less likely to draft a QB in the first round with this FA pickup ? In the meantime McClain is now busy trying to explain how he could be mistaken that anybody would make a trade for Matt Schaub ?
 
Has Fitzpatrick ever played for a team that wouldn't be described as "****"? Ever? I'm not saying the Texans after a 2-14 season aren't right there in the same company but trying to look objectively at Fitzpatrick's career all I see is a guy who didn't win in situations where nobody else did either.

Did Fitz bring the suck or was he just lucky enough to get to lead it at times?

If he ends up starting for us how much can his quality of play be mitigated? Can we run Arian Foster into the ground again?
 
Hervoyel said:
Has Fitzpatrick ever played for a team that wouldn't be described as "****"? Ever? I'm not saying the Texans after a 2-14 season aren't right there in the same company but trying to look objectively at Fitzpatrick's career all I see is a guy who didn't win in situations where nobody else did either.

Did Fitz bring the suck or was he just lucky enough to get to lead it at times?

If he ends up starting for us how much can his quality of play be mitigated? Can we run Arian Foster into the ground again?
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Fitzpatrick was a 7th round draft pick back in 2005. He's been in the league going on 10 seasons & has played quite a bit of football.


Pretty amazing if you think about it.
 
I have seen Fitzpatrick play quite a bit. The guy is a turnover machine. He is a gunslinger with a weak arm.
 
One thing about Fitzpatrick that surprises me is his mobility. He ran for 225 yards last year, 20.5 yds/game. Fitz's longest run was 26 yards. In contrast, Schaub had 24 yards rushing the entire year.
 
If Fitzpatrick is our starting QB for game one, I guarantee you someone else will be by the 5th game. Fitz is a nice backup, but he ain't no starter.
 
Thorn said:
If Fitzpatrick is our starting QB for game one, I guarantee you someone else will be by the 5th game. Fitz is a nice backup, but he ain't no starter.
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Like you , I think he's nothing more than a veteran caretaker of the position ... he may start the season as the starter , but its highly unlikely he ends it as the starter ....
 
Thorn said:
If Fitzpatrick is our starting QB for game one, I guarantee you someone else will be by the 5th game. Fitz is a nice backup, but he ain't no starter.
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Fitz is bubble gum and duct tape meant to keep it all afloat just a bit longer. Problem is, who else is available worth a damn? Fitz is about as good as we could do considering whats available. In BOB we trust. Looks like bortles by games 6 or 7 to me.
 
powda said:
Fitz is bubble gum and duct tape meant to keep it all afloat just a bit longer. Problem is, who else is available worth a damn? Fitz is about as good as we could do considering whats available. In BOB we trust. Looks like bortles by games 6 or 7 to me.
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If we don't get a QB in the draft that can step up by mid season, we will have Fitz or Keenum running the show. Yates is outa here. If they draft Bortles, the QB with the most upside in the draft but NOT ready for prime time yet, he must might not be ready by mid-season. But I'd take him anyway simply because of the upside to him. He should be ready next year. We ain't going to the super bowl this season anyway.
 
Thorn said:
If we don't get a QB in the draft that can step up by mid season, we will have Fitz or Keenum running the show. Yates is outa here. If they draft Bortles, the QB with the most upside in the draft but NOT ready for prime time yet, he must might not be ready by mid-season. But I'd take him anyway simply because of the upside to him. He should be ready next year. We ain't going to the super bowl this season anyway.
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I really think that's debatable. Bortles may be the most conventional of the group but I think Manziel has the highest upside and the highest bust potential. He's a game changer in ways that Bortles and Bridgewater cant compare .... Total boom or bust pick. Fran Tarkington or .... Tim Tebow.
 
stingray said:
I have seen Fitzpatrick play quite a bit. The guy is a turnover machine. He is a gunslinger with a weak arm.
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Two words which should never be used together


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CloakNNNdagger said:
...Adam Caplan &#10004; @caplannfl
New #Texans QB Ryan Fitzpatrick will earn $4 M in year one of his two-year deal. And guarantees are in year one. None in year two.11:56 AM - 21 Mar 2014
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Don't know if it means anything, but Vick got 1 year $5M from the Jets.
 
Corrosion said:
I really think that's debatable. Bortles may be the most conventional of the group but I think Manziel has the highest upside and the highest bust potential. He's a game changer in ways that Bortles and Bridgewater cant compare .... Total boom or bust pick. Fran Tarkington or .... Tim Tebow.
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Agreed. He's the one with the most obvious "franchise" potential. Most definitely not a sure thing & one heck of a gamble...


I mean next to McCarron.
 
Thorn said:
If we don't get a QB in the draft that can step up by mid season, we will have Fitz or Keenum running the show. Yates is outa here. If they draft Bortles, the QB with the most upside in the draft but NOT ready for prime time yet, he must might not be ready by mid-season. But I'd take him anyway simply because of the upside to him. He should be ready next year. We ain't going to the super bowl this season anyway.
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Speaking of T.J., I wonder if O'Brien will actually hold onto him thru camp and give him a real shot to beat out the other three guys (I figure we'll draft a QB somewhere in this draft) or is he being currently shopped around.
Don't laugh. I don't remember anybody predicting Schaub netting us an early sixth round pick before the Raiders rumors started.
 
ObsiWan said:
Speaking of T.J., I wonder if O'Brien will actually hold onto him thru camp and give him a real shot to beat out the other three guys (I figure we'll draft a QB somewhere in this draft) or is he being currently shopped around.
Don't laugh. I don't remember anybody predicting Schaub netting us an early sixth round pick before the Raiders rumors started.
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I'd take the last pick in the draft for Yates. Better than just letting him go. He might fetch another bench warmer in a trade, which would be OK if the trade netted us someone who actually makes the team.
 
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