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Ryan Fitzpatrick by the numbers

There is nothing else to be said about Ryan Fitzpatrick. His story here has already been told, there is nothing to add.
 
The Texans have only converted 38% of our 3rd downs this season! Fitzpatrick no doubt has been a heavy contributor to that stat.
 
What do you mean I can't see the entire field?...........I'm from Harvard....

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thunderkyss said:
I never said any different, only that it's not his fault that he's starting for our team. He's being who he is, it's someone else's responsibility to put a competent QB on the field.
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Putting competent players on the field does not just apply to our QB. Who is this someone that has the responsibility of putting competent players on the field?
 
TEXANRED said:
Fitz can't make a decision. He is one of those brainy people who over analyze everything. Just throw the damn ball!
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Not defending Fitz but the Texans WRs do not get separation. AJ, not so much now, Hop, not really, TEs don't think so....... Now part of that could be the offensive scheme is easy to defend or the Texans are so transparent that it is easy to tell what they are going to do. I think a combination of all the above. QB, other players, and offensive scheme.
 
gafftop said:
Not defending Fitz but the Texans WRs do not get separation. AJ, not so much now, Hop, not really, TEs don't think so....... Now part of that could be the offensive scheme is easy to defend or the Texans are so transparent that it is easy to tell what they are going to do. I think a combination of all the above. QB, other players, and offensive scheme.
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To be fair what used to help our WRs get separation was the Texans awesome play action pass which we do not have with Fitz now.
 
gafftop said:
Not defending Fitz but the Texans WRs do not get separation. AJ, not so much now, Hop, not really, TEs don't think so....... Now part of that could be the offensive scheme is easy to defend or the Texans are so transparent that it is easy to tell what they are going to do. I think a combination of all the above. QB, other players, and offensive scheme.
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To be fair, if you're watching at the game you can see that's not exactly true. They're getting separation. Then again, with guys like Andre & Hop, you don't look for separation, you give them a ball they can make a play on, the rest is up to them.

But you can see, on the televised game, that Hop was wtf open on the catches he made, Arian was wtf open when he caught that 56 yard TD pass. It's just a matter of the QB finding them.
 
thunderkyss said:
Through all of this, I do not blame Fitzpatrick. He's not the one that decided to start him these past nine weeks. You can clearly see he's trying his darndest. I thank him for that really.
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I agree. Fitz is what he is and has been his whole career. The question that should be analyzed is how did he end up as the QB for the Texans.
 
EllisUnit said:
To be fair what used to help our WRs get separation was the Texans awesome play action pass which we do not have with Fitz now.
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I guess that's part of it. What the TV coverage doesn't show is how many poor decisions Fitz is making. The sideline throw to Andre where the catch is made out of bounds? Not one, but two guys open over the middle. I'm beginning to think he's a pitcher on the short throws...fastball high and outside.

Deep balls? I'm waiting for the first one the receiver doesn't have to wait on.

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FitzMagic was under pressure ~60% of dropbacks (59.5%; highest of any QB in Week 9). Predictably, it went poorly (7/14, 4 sacks, INT). 2TD/0INT w/ no pressure.
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Mr teX said:
Find any post in this entire thread where someone said he's doing really good & you might have a point.
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I don't have the time to point out every post, but when the season started and we were winning games, people then were saying he didn't do a bad job and was actually doing a good job for anybody else to start. It's getting to the point where the majority of the fans are starting to see the real Fitzpatrick, hopefully O'Brien is one them.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't blame him either. I just want him gone.

I blame O'Brien because he should have known better. I blame McNair for hiring a guy who didn't know better than to hitch his wagon to Ryan Fitzpatrick. I'm incredibly disillusioned by O'Brien's steadfast clinging to a journeyman QB with few skills and demonstrably little grasp of the intricacies of his offense.... despite spending most of a year learning it, practicing it, and playing in it.

At some point O'Brien has to see what everyone else in existence who's bothered to look sees. This QB is hopelessly over matched.
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It's hard not to form a negative opinion on a HC that goes with Fitzpatrick and continues to bleat "we have to figure it out" after every loss.

What's to figure out coach? It is very simple. Your QB is garbage and has always been garbage. Mark freakin' Sanchez off the bench looked better than your 9 game starter in your system.

"Have to figure it out" is code for "I'm a stubborn fool", I guess.

CloakNNNdagger said:
The Texans have only converted 38% of our 3rd downs this season! Fitzpatrick no doubt has been a heavy contributor to that stat.
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I saw a stat last night that the Texans are 29th in third down conversions. Some stats do not say much, but this one says it all. This offense is anemic, weak, and consistently pathetic.
 
Double Barrel said:
I saw a stat last night that the Texans are 29th in third down conversions. Some stats do not say much, but this one says it all. This offense is anemic, weak, and consistently pathetic.
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Yup, you can't play small ball without doing so with incredible efficiency and conversion rates.
 
santo said:
I don't have the time to point out every post, but when the season started and we were winning games, people then were saying he didn't do a bad job and was actually doing a good job for anybody else to start. It's getting to the point where the majority of the fans are starting to see the real Fitzpatrick, hopefully O'Brien is one them.
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People were saying he was doing a good job being a game manager. Which he was. He was brought in too manage games and limit turnovers. The problem is that after a few games he started turning the ball over and he doesn't have the requisite talent to bring the team back from the holes he dug.

The real problem is this team doesn't have enough talent to get by with a game manager at QB. This isn't the 2000 Ravens. Just look at yesterday for example. We were +3 in turnovers and our only turnover didn't hurt us at all. We still lost by double digits.
 
WolverineFan said:
People were saying he was doing a good job being a game manager. Which he was. He was brought in too manage games and limit turnovers. The problem is that after a few games he started turning the ball over and he doesn't have the requisite talent to bring the team back from the holes he dug.

The real problem is this team doesn't have enough talent to get by with a game manager at QB. This isn't the 2000 Ravens. Just look at yesterday for example. We were +3 in turnovers and our only turnover didn't hurt us at all. We still lost by double digits.
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But the problem is he was never a good game manager. I've seen him play before this year and he has never shown to be the game manager he was expecting to be. Watt and Foster were better game managers than Fitz was this year, which was the reason he was winning games. But I think O'Brien got delusional and thought we could go to the playoffs with Fitz.

I honestly thought we would have started Mallett at the third week, but seeing that O'Brien kept saying it was the team around Fitz that needed to be better just reminded me of when Kubiak said the same things about Carr.
And if the team is not the 2000 Ravens, then that should more reason to start Mallett or Savage this year and see where you need to go before the beginning of next year.
 
santo said:
But the problem is he was never a good game manager. I've seen him play before this year and he has never shown to be the game manager he was expecting to be. Watt and Foster were better game managers than Fitz was this year, which was the reason he was winning games. But I think O'Brien got delusional and thought we could go to the playoffs with Fitz.
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I realize that, but O'Brien seemed to feel that he was the best option when looking at what was already on the roster and what was available during FA. They managed to flip Schaub for Alfred Blue and Yates for Akeem Dent while acquiring Mallett for a late round pick. I would consider all of those wins. I don't think O'Brien is delusional. I think he sees Fitzpatrick as a short term placeholder while he develops a younger guy to take over next year. I think Mallett was acquired as insurance because he knows the offense. I don't think O'Brien has any intention of Savage taking snaps this year so we needed a backup.


santo said:
I honestly thought we would have started Mallett at the third week, but seeing that O'Brien kept saying it was the team around Fitz that needed to be better just reminded me of when Kubiak said the same things about Carr.
And if the team is not the 2000 Ravens, then that should more reason to start Mallett or Savage this year and see where you need to go before the beginning of next year.
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I think we should insert Mallett during the bye week and let him finish the season. Let Fitz be his backup. I don't think Savage should take snaps this year. You aren't going to find out anything good about him if you throw him into the fire too early. He was an admitted project when drafted and I don't see how that changes now.
 
WolverineFan said:
I realize that, but O'Brien seemed to feel that he was the best option when looking at what was already on the roster and what was available during FA. They managed to flip Schaub for Alfred Blue and Yates for Akeem Dent while acquiring Mallett for a late round pick. I would consider all of those wins. I don't think O'Brien is delusional. I think he sees Fitzpatrick as a short term placeholder while he develops a younger guy to take over next year. I think Mallett was acquired as insurance because he knows the offense. I don't think O'Brien has any intention of Savage taking snaps this year so we needed a backup.




I think we should insert Mallett during the bye week and let him finish the season. Let Fitz be his backup. I don't think Savage should take snaps this year. You aren't going to find out anything good about him if you throw him into the fire too early. He was an admitted project when drafted and I don't see how that changes now.
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I do agree with Savage having to wait and I do hope Mallett gets to play after the bye, because I think the team and fans are getting tired of seeing the same limitations in the qb.
 
santo said:
I do agree with Savage having to wait and I do hope Mallett gets to play after the bye, because I think the team and fans are getting tired of seeing the same limitations in the qb.
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It will be interesting to see how they react to the different limitations of another QB then. I'm not saying Mallett will suck or anything, but I'm assuming he has some limitations because it's been 2 months and Ryan Fitzpatrick is still our starting QB. A lot of people expected Mallett to beat him out quickly and it never happened.
 
WolverineFan said:
It will be interesting to see how they react to the different limitations of another QB then. I'm not saying Mallett will suck or anything, but I'm assuming he has some limitations because it's been 2 months and Ryan Fitzpatrick is still our starting QB. A lot of people expected Mallett to beat him out quickly and it never happened.
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What I heard on the post game show is that Mallet doesn't have much mobility and, with our line, will get killed. Fitz's mobility is his strongest asset.
 
Number19 said:
What I heard on the post game show is that Mallet doesn't have much mobility and, with our line, will get killed. Fitz's mobility is his strongest asset.
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Eh.... Fitz's mobility is over rated. Getting out of trouble only to hold the ball & get sacked... If Mallet can throw it away when he needs to & hit the receivers downfield when the opportunity is there, I could care less about his mobility.
 
Number19 said:
What I heard on the post game show is that Mallet doesn't have much mobility and, with our line, will get killed. Fitz's mobility is his strongest asset.
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He has more mobility than Schaub did behind this line, and he did not get killed.
 
thunderkyss said:
Eh.... Fitz's mobility is over rated. Getting out of trouble only to hold the ball & get sacked... If Mallet can throw it away when he needs to & hit the receivers downfield when the opportunity is there, I could care less about his mobility.
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Good point - using mobility to take a sack 4 seconds later isn't real useful.
 
Number19 said:
What I heard on the post game show is that Mallet doesn't have much mobility and, with our line, will get killed. Fitz's mobility is his strongest asset.
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Fitz is able to get away from pressure but he rarely follows it with great plays from his arm. It's usually only successful when he tucks it and scrambles.

Mallett does not have much mobility, but if he is able to make quick decisions and get the ball out then it won't be an issue. Brady/Manning have made a living doing that for years. The big question is...can Mallett do this? He's only thrown 4 NFL passes so I assume he's going to be just as overwhelmed as Fitzpatrick. We won't know until he plays, but I honestly don't see much reason for a lot of optimism.
 
Runner said:
Good point - using mobility to take a sack 4 seconds later isn't real useful.
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It's one of those useless superpowers that don't matter. If Fitz was a superhero he'd be one of The Mystery Men. He'd be "The Turnover" and fit right in with Mr. Furious and The Shoveler.

We just need to find out if Mallet or Savage is "Captain Amazing" or not.

If I wasn't at work this would be a Photoshop moment indeed.
 
WolverineFan said:
It will be interesting to see how they react to the different limitations of another QB then. I'm not saying Mallett will suck or anything, but I'm assuming he has some limitations because it's been 2 months and Ryan Fitzpatrick is still our starting QB. A lot of people expected Mallett to beat him out quickly and it never happened.
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I think that's a risk worth taking. At least you know what qb you have going into next year and even if Mallett isn't good, then you don't have to sign him to any deal. O'Brien still has the option to draft a qb next year if he wants to and have Savage and a newly drafted qb fighting for the starting spot. At least that's the way I see it.
 
thunderkyss said:
To be fair, if you're watching at the game you can see that's not exactly true. They're getting separation. Then again, with guys like Andre & Hop, you don't look for separation, you give them a ball they can make a play on, the rest is up to them.

But you can see, on the televised game, that Hop was wtf open on the catches he made, Arian was wtf open when he caught that 56 yard TD pass. It's just a matter of the QB finding them.
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Yep, its called throwing guys open. Andre gets open, but its not going to be like antonio brown, its gonna be off the route with his burst.. Hopkins is the same way. If the qb is waiting for a canyon to throw, it wont happen.
 
WolverineFan said:
People were saying he was doing a good job being a game manager. Which he was. He was brought in too manage games and limit turnovers. The problem is that after a few games he started turning the ball over and he doesn't have the requisite talent to bring the team back from the holes he dug.

The real problem is this team doesn't have enough talent to get by with a game manager at QB. This isn't the 2000 Ravens. Just look at yesterday for example. We were +3 in turnovers and our only turnover didn't hurt us at all. We still lost by double digits.
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"the holes he dug"...can you actually say that with a straight face or are you so delusioned into thinking this is actually a solid team around Fitzpatrick and that the QB is to blame for the colossal meltdowns in the games against the Steelers and Colts.
 
NYTexansFan said:
"the holes he dug"...can you actually say that with a straight face or are you so delusioned into thinking this is actually a solid team around Fitzpatrick and that the QB is to blame for the colossal meltdowns in the games against the Steelers and Colts.
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Watch the game yesterday?
 
NYTexansFan said:
"the holes he dug"...can you actually say that with a straight face or are you so delusioned into thinking this is actually a solid team around Fitzpatrick and that the QB is to blame for the colossal meltdowns in the games against the Steelers and Colts.
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I guess I'm delusional (not that I agree Fitz dug any holes) but what you're talking about happened in the first half. At the end of both those games we were within striking distance of winning & Fitz couldn't orchestrate that final winning drive.

Not his fault. He's just limited. & we're limited as long as he's our QB.
 
You know, I knew what we had in Fitz before we got him. I watched him in Buffalo and some of his other destinations. I knew his limitations.

I can't hate on him. Dude played balls-out football, you could tell he wanted to win - Just couldn't throw the ball & played QB. Man has heart, and that, I respect.

:swatter:
 
Section516 said:
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I can't hate on him. Dude played balls-out football, you could tell he wanted to win - Just couldn't throw the ball & played QB. Man has heart, and that, I respect.
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Agree. I've been posting in here that "it can get worse"...

I think we got the best FitzBeard he could be. I think he'll look back at this as some of the best football he played in the NFL. Just in the end, his skillset limited our offensive options.
 
Section516 said:
You know, I knew what we had in Fitz before we got him. I watched him in Buffalo and some of his other destinations. I knew his limitations.

I can't hate on him. Dude played balls-out football, you could tell he wanted to win - Just couldn't throw the ball & played QB. Man has heart, and that, I respect.

:swatter:
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I don't hate him. I just knew he was a back-up qb in a starter's role and that's not just looking at him this year, that's 10 years of seeing him play. He's a great back-up, but not somebody you can count on for the whole season, especially when you have 2 other options you haven't tried yet.
 
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