infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Convenient limit. Blake Bortles has 10 INTs on 174 att. For 1 int per 17.4 att.
Not a slam on Bortles, just an observation.
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Ryan Fitzpatrick by the numbers
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Convenient limit. Blake Bortles has 10 INTs on 174 att. For 1 int per 17.4 att.
Not a slam on Bortles, just an observation.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Yep, that was quoted from Chron.com. Gotta fact check everybody these days.
"Among quarterbacks with at least 175 attempts"... Coincidence? (Bortles has 174). From Dale? Nope.
He's got 7 interceptions. Which ones were because he made bad decisions?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
My post should have been in quotes and linked....got called and forgot to complete the post. Thanks for catching it.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
And, remember, that's after throwing NO interceptions in the first two games.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
That would be true if this was the same offense and the same regime but with the regime change/scheme change, you've pretty much got to throw out those old stats and start fresh.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Ah. Great point.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Even when he makes a good decision on an interception, it doesn't matter if he makes a bad throw.
And although it's easy to absolve him for tipped balls, I wouldn't. Part of being a good QB is finding the open passing lanes and figuring out ways to get the ball past the linemen.
badboy
Hall of Fame
At least you did not post and forget the call..
klockWork
Rookie
Not predictable at all. None of his ints are from cb's jumping routes. They're from various miscues like miscommunication w/ wrs, tipped passes and inaccurate throws.
Everyone is in at an uproar because Fitz hasn't accomplish any heroic acts as a QB. His job is to manage games and he has done that when the opportunity was there. He isn't paid to overcome other players errors. He's not on a franchise qb salary.
Look at the 3 games Texans have won. He acquired the lead throughout the whole game and have done whatever necessary to maintain it and preserve the victory. That's the definition of a game manager. But some will say he threw 7 INT's and a fumble during the 3 game losing streak and was the main reason for those loses. Almost half of those ints happened in the Giants game which was only his truly bad game he played yet. He tried to do too much that resulted in an avalanche of ints. But in reality that game could only be won with an elite QB on his best day because the Texans D was giving away yards like it's Christmas. Combine that with the fact our running game were averaging less than 2 yards per attempt and you got a disaster in the making.
The other loses against the Cowboys, Colts, and Steelers, those were collective loses. Sure Fitz made some mistakes early but he also made plays to put us back in a position to win. Again, he's not hire to perform miracles. But fumbles, drop passes, failed run on 3rd downs, and penalties are out of his control.
It's absurd to assume a Honda will do 60 in less than 3 seconds. OB knows Fitz is not a Ferrari. But he knows Fitz can get us to the finish line under the right condition. So far those conditions are **** up!
I understand and can pretty much agree with your points. But we are tired of "game managers". Other than Schaub for a year and a half, when (at best) he was a camaro, we've had nothing but vw bugs around here
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
If we could have the Fitz from week one back we might have a shot at playoffs. But take a look at this distribution breakdown I did on Fitz from week 1 against the Skins and tell me if you think it would be hard to game plan against Fitz. Could explain why after a few games his performances went down. I will breakdown the other games and make a chart for each game and I think it will be easier to see why it's too easy for DC's to game plan against Fitz.
If we could have the Fitz from week one back we might have a shot at playoffs. But take a look at this distribution breakdown I did on Fitz from week 1 against the Skins and tell me if you think it would be hard to game plan against Fitz. Could explain why after a few games his performances went down. I will breakdown the other games and make a chart for each game and I think it will be easier to see why it's too easy for DC's to game plan against Fitz.
Look at the yards after catch from these throws. If you take out Hopkins big gain, which if I recall was from a nice juke move more than anything and the short throw that went up the left side line (which I assume was Foster being Foster) there is nothing to speak of.
Fitz can't throw a receiver open, the receivers are hit almost immediately after the catch. I don't think our receivers are the fastest these days, but I think a better QB "throws" his receivers open.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
The Hopkins throw was all DHop because he had to stop to wait for the ball which almost allowed the DB time to catch up and make the tackle. Hopkins shook off the one tackle and took it to the house.
I am going to chart out the rest of them, but I will bet they all look pretty much the same. Short, and behind the line stuff with 1 or two intermediate or deep throws. Look at all how there is no TE's in the middle of the field. No targeting of the middle of the field at all. And where has been Foster in the passing game. O'Brien is not going to him as he should on swing passes and wheel routes.
Good one.
So far, it looks like our Honda has crossed the finish line before the other team's Honda, but lost out to a Jaguar, a Mustang, an R8, & a Supercharged Hemi.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
In between the hash marks is invisible as is in between the numbers more than what 7 yds down field.
Please do, I bet we're going to see a steady progression of a complicated offense. It also looks like Fitz is getting more comfortable with Andre.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Nothing at all up the seams. I do not understand it. Ok it was game one, but I do not recall any attacking of the seams in any other games.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Have you ever noticed when Fitz calls an audible it's almost never successful? You change the play when you notice a special defensive alignment that will stop the play that was called. Such alignment is a defense of strength and weakness, so you change to a play that should exploit the weakness. That hasn't been the case with Fitz. If he went to Harvard he should read defenses better.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Harvard teaches Audibles in pro-football 101?
The fact he went to Harvard and OB went to Brown has reached the talked about too much level. Especially by brain dead announcers.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Hopkins has more yards and touchdowns than Andre on 20 less targets. Agreed on TE's.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
The disappearance of the TE is the biggest surprise to me this season.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
I'm not surprised. Our best TE is Garrett Graham, what are people expecting??
How do you know when he's callinng an audible? Is he changing from run to pass? Or just changing sides the play will go to? Or changing protection schemes?
How do you know? Wag?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
How about as much as the same player got last year, 49 ypg instead of 17? There's a start.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
At the beginning of the game Sunday when Graham drew that penalty for clipping (a really pathetic attempt at clipping to make matters worse) I just rolled my eyes and wondered why in the hell we kept that fool. He's a terrible blocker and an unreliable receiver Our TE situation is worse right now than it's been since 2002 I think.
He's like OD's talentless clone.
I go back and forth between "How could we not find a better option than this guy?" and "How is this guy keeping Fiedo and Griffin behind him on the depth chart?"
Then Fiedo holds or pulls a False-Start and Griffin drops a pass and I'm like "Well, there's that".
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Part of me thinks playcalling is limited by QB abilities. Can Fitz throw a seam? Would it be different w/Mallett? Another part thinks until CJ stops LOS penalties and gets his blocking assignments down, he's not getting advanced offense 201. Mostly I think O'Brien has made a conscious commitment to run this offense through our "plus" players, and he's decided those are A, A, DeA.
Harvard teaches Audibles in pro-football 101?
The fact he went to Harvard and OB went to Brown has reached the talked about too much level. Especially by brain dead announcers.
yeah, I got really tired of hearing how Fitz is one of the smartest QBs in the league yesterday from the announcers.
There is a huge difference in being a "smart QB" and a "smart guy that plays QB".
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Translation - his reads suck, his overall smarts don't translate to football smarts and he's using the audibles too much.
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Hall of Fame
Fitz appears to be the bottleneck in getting the offense up to "hurry up" speed. And sounds like he's making his mind up before going through his progressions. With a weak arm that's dangerous.
NYTexansFan
Waterboy
He passed for 227 yards in conjunction with a running game that put up close to 200 - part of a balanced 400 yard attack. He turned the ball over not once, despite a ridiculous amount of pressure in his face, particularly in the first half. Many of the so-called overused "audibles" you refer to were to running plays which proved to be highly successful. The team scored on six out of seven drives in the second half. As for the poster that says he is not going through his progressions, he barely has time to set his feet after he drops back, which necessitates that he release the ball quickly. There were a number of times they attempted play action passes where there were one or two defenders on him before he had any hope of getting the ball down the field. Fitz is actually known for making good reads and getting rid of the football as well as for his ability to pick up offensive systems quickly. To say he sucks and his smarts don't translate to football is a simplistic statement that demonstrates a lack of understanding the nuances of the game. Bill O'Brien is a far greater football mind than either you or I and he chose Ryan Fitzpatrick to lead his offense, and I'm pretty sure that he will be quarterbacking this team for many more games to come.
NYTexansFan
Waterboy
My bad...I see you were trying to read between the lines of BOB's comments. You are entitled to your opinion.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Agree. And with that weak arm, progressions, especially for longer routes, are a hindrance because it decreases the time that he can hit the receiver in isolation before the defenders converge...........that forces him to try to thread the needle........with that weak arm? Add staring down the receivers because he avoids going through his progression..........ultimately nothing good comes of it.
In addition, what I've noticed is, despite all the time OB spent with him practicing release ABOVE his head, he has reverted to release most of his balls near ear level..............bat downs and INTs and short behind-the-receiver passes.
Billy Miller could play for this team.
Wolf
100% Texan
Or Bennie Joppru.....
Fitzpatrick did have pressure but its because he can't make a team pay for it consistently. Also some of that pressure is from holding on to the ball for an eternity. Twice yesterday he made a good play by avoiding a sack only to stand and scan the field for another 4 seconds as if the defender he just escaped was going to head to the locker room. Sometimes you gotta just get rid of the ball.
You have a very glass half full opinion of Fitz. 2010-2012 Matt Schaub would have put up 400 yards yesterday, you remember the guy that ran a 5.8 40 yard dash.
Fitzpatrick may have scored a 1600 on his SAT, he may be the smartest guy in the room anytime he's at NRG Park, he may have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but the guy is mediocre when it comes to football IQ and instincts at best, and that's pushing it, period.
The guy throws behind recievers left and right, he can't throw a guy open. The only time our recievers get YAC, is when there is a blown coverage or its a screen.
His numbers are very David Carr'esque before he became thee dump off king. Look at it this way, when Fitzpatrick is on fire he's a 50-55% completion, 1TD no INT, 215 yards guy, I mean thats his ceiling. If thats who you want under center then lets trade Arian and go get a guy that puts up 6o yards rushing, and at TE, well nevermind, we already have that peice of the crappy puzzle.
Meanwhile teams like the Broncos/Chargers have the Greens as backup TE's. (LaDarius/Virgil) both low rd picks with character concerns but all world type talents.
Some of us were talking about that in the last gameday thread. Result wise, Fitzpatrick is very similar to 2014 David Carr. If you were to extrapolate Fitz's numbers over a 16 game schedule (shudder), he would have 18 TDs - 14 INTs - 3514 yards passing. Carr went 16 TDs - 14 INTs - 3531 yards passing. The 2004 Texans went 7-9. This years version is looking like 8-8.
The truth is that Fitzpatrick is having a career year. This is as good or better than he's ever played. Just as 2004 was Carr's best. Neither is, was, or will be good enough.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Why are you insulting McCoy?
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Ladies and gentlemen. The president of the Ryan Fitzpatrick fan club.
I don't know.
It's fun bashing Fitzpatrick & all, but we're going into week 9 & sooner or later, we're going to have to accept it. Either we get behind him & pray he'll be better than he's ever been in his career, or we start rooting to lose just to replace him with a guy we know nothing about.
We've got a problem at CB. We've got a problem with the OL. We've got a problem at LB, DB, & just about any position other than JJ Watt....
Just like when Dj was flailing his arms trying to get Cushing to cover Bell... it don't matter & we're past time that it does.
We're 4-4 over the first 8 games, it's possible we can go 5-3 or 6-2 over the next eight.
Some fans say it don't matter. We're just fans & how we feel don't matter. I think different. They see it, feel it at the games & through out the week as they do whatever they do around Houston. They hear it on the radio, they see it on tv, they see it on social media.
We're Houston Texans fans, many just because the team represents the city of Houston. Fitz is out there representing the Texans & doing the best he can.
I said McCoy looks better than Fitz.
I think they picked Colt up off street.
RG3, Cousins, McCoy
Fitz, Mallet, Savage
Who put our team together. We have NO hope at QB presently.
How many games have Mallet and Savage started in last 4 years college, pro, or otherwise?????????????
I suggested we try and trade for McCoy early this year when he was the #3 qb and people laughed.
NYTexansFan
Waterboy
Let's relax, McCoy and the offense put up 17 points in regulation and Colt, while throwing for a good completion percentage, had 0 TD's and 1 INT. Not exactly stellar. Do you think that kind of performance would have won any of our games against the Giants, Cowboys, Colts, or Steelers??